there is a -- conflict. maria: we'll see, i'll see you tomorrow 6:00 a.m., have a great night. i'll be watching you, lou dobbs. lou: you got a deal thank you maria. good evening, i am lou dobbs we're coming to you live from wells cargo center for day 3 of democratic natio democratic national convention here in philadelphia, president obama will headline the speakers they include vice president joed by up, and tim kaine -- joe biden and tim kaine. as much as democrats want this week to be all about them, there is someone else who wants on to be at least somewhat about him. donald trump capturing much of national media attention today with more than an hour long news conference he said he would like to see a woman president, just not hillary.

>> i would love to see a woman -- become president of the united states, but. but she would be so wrong, hillary clinton is a diswas ir, she has been a disaster, even the story told by bill last night, he left out most important chapter it would be bad for women if it were hillary clinton. lou: donald trump holding a rally in ohio over the next hour. we'll be bringing that to you, in part when it does begin. joining us now former reagan white house political director. great american tax strategist ed rollins, and michael goodwin. and washington times on-line editor, monica crowley, fox news contributors, monica, we -- maria and i were talking at the beginning of broadcast about what seems to be

reticence on part of many democratic delegates and officials here to really talk about specifics with policy prescriptions. should we have expected otherwise? >> i don't think so, the democrats are in a peculiar position issue they are stuck with defending the last 8 years, many of the obama policies remain highly unpopular. so they are in a position they have to defend last 8 years but do not' to point out some of the cat photographic -- catastrophic policy failures of last 8 years. over th the last two night you heard a lot of fluff but not a lot of strong policy prescriptions, they cannot break with president obama, mrs. clinton her said her first term may be her second term will be an extenttion of

president obama's presidency we know that american people are largely not content, with the economic, and national security policy. lou: ed, as we're looking here today, there is a different tone. than there has been any night this week. this is a crowd that is anticipating the president's arrival, his speech. what does he have to do, in your judgment? >> they have about 50 speeches before that. anyone who has been elected citycouncil to congress gets to speak. and any person that has been in hollywood gs to speak. by the time they get to main event they will have a new record of speakers, never talking about some of the issues that are bothering most americans like isis and what have you. president, you never have to worry about him giving a good political speech, he is a great campaigner, and he will rise to the occasion,

obviously he will defend his opeown record, and that she should do more to continue what he has done. this is an audience, and a democratic parties that wants to spend more and take more from the tax payers. lou: well, interesting that grabbing the attention today, away from early part of news cycle, donald trump, who at a news conference said this, to russia if you are listening, i hope you are able to find the 30,000 clinton e-mails that are missing, michael goodwin, that seemed like a reasonable request in. >> it was quite clever, and mischievous of him. a very smart way to remind everyone of elephant in the room that is not buying discussed in this room. it is bill clinton last night discussing hillary and his marriage, we don't get any of bumps in that road.

we don't getting any about her tenure as secretary of state that leads to an fbi investigation, and she is accused of reckless endangers of national security. lou: you were looking for pros and clinton offered poetry. >> i think it is interesting they are spending so much time 3intrying too humanize her, make her seem more trustworthy . lou: in los angeles usc poll, a 7. lead suddenly for donald trump. and that national poll. >> that is right, donald trump certainly got a relatively significant bump out of his convention last week, he spoke to the great silent majority who have felt they have been unheard for decades by the bipartisan ruling class. republicans and democrats, he had a simple message of law

and order, economic populism, strong national defense, and defeating a corrupt and rigged system. that dnc leak that came this week, just proved that donald trump point. he got a bump from his own speech, and his own convention but he also got a bump from the democratic convention as well. well. lou: right. , why in the fbi not investigating the clinton foundation? today the irs making a referral to irs investigators, to do just that. to investigate the clinton global initiative. but this again is john, something of a joke as ad min traitor of the irs. and some ways nothing like a joke he is accused of serious breaches of the public trust himself. what is the importance, and

likelihood of anything coming of this? >> i am pleased they are looking at it. there has been violation. i think it important. i don't think it is realistic they will get anything done in the next 3 1/2 months in the course of this campaign, i think that fbi will look at it again, there a lot of stuff that will come out after the election. it is up to donald trump to make a strong case. today he has -- only thing i caution about the poll, the "l.a. times" poll is strange methodology. i think it is a dead even race. lou: it is new, the big issue it is new. >> new, critical thing is, that democrats will vote for her, she will have over 90%, and republicans vote for him, it will be the independents. that is the test, it is a dead

even race, you should assume all the way it is even. and go prepared to have a knock out drag down fight. lou: i'm going to reporter poll that we find. i think that people' to know. i know for a fact, throughout your career you have used polling. >> you have but you live by the poll. i dubai th, you dubai the you die by the poll. >> i want to sho everyone a supper pack -- super pac ad. if we could vi that video. i'm told as much as i would like that we're getting it, i

am told, i have to stretch here. >> i will fill in i will narrate, the story comes from a colleague of mine at "new york post," who broke the story told me about it yesterday, it really is getting a lot of a tension today, it shows her playing hardball in dirtiest way. >> nowy understand we have it now? correct? roll video. >> let me welcome senator hillary rodham clinton. >> i don't think you can effectively restrict outsourcing there is no way to legislate against real tie, i think that you know, outsourcing will continue, but i don't think that there anyway to you know legislate against outsourcing i think that is just a dead end. >> that is good news for a lot of us. join me to give her a standing ovation. >> rebuilding america "new jersenow responsible for this. lou: 5 million dollar later

invested in clinton global initiative. quite a remarkable attempt on part of clinton campaign to shut down free speech. and secondly deny what is they are not doing on the bases it is untrue, they just don't like it. >> she condition deny. >> -- she got a million dollar payment for a speech, she cannot deny that. >> she will pick at the dollar amounts or whatever, but, that is why she promises to overturn citizens united that does allow free speech of this sort this all about her being exposed, she does not like it. lou: and -- can. >> i was going to say this is the clinton way, she made a speech, she government 5 million dollar donation, now she is using the intimidation

tactic to try to shut down a truthful ad. >> monica thank you, and ed and michael thank you. lou: up next donald trump said that democrats are ignoring important issues, issues important to america. >> if you look at what is going right now, in a place not so far away. i place that i love, philadelphia. i love it. you have got people that will are fighting and trying to make their point, i told you before they don't mention our police or our law enforcement, they would not have those doors open for two minutes if it was not for the police. >> mike gallagher, and ebony williams among our guests, later, nba legend, kareem abdul-jabbar. it is night 3 of democratic national convention.

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lou: coming to you live from well welts wells fargo center arena. democratic national convention . donald trump also today making his present felt, in news

cycle, calling on russia to find hillary clinton's missing e-mails. >> russia, if you're listening. i hope you are able to find the 30,000 issu 30 e-mails that are missing, i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> i will never forget the line, russia if you are listening. donald trump creating a stir today, some trying toking is thasuggestion that was an open invitation for russia to hack the united states, ignoring the fact that russia has been hacking the private inter price for some some time. >> trump said, perhaps they should share the e-mails with the fbi. joining me now, host of the

mike gallagher show. ebony williams. bebony, clinton camp went berserk. >> they did, whether you like what donald said or not, it was actually president obama who as we say opened the door to trump to participate in this conversation. lou: they did it about an add water, what is that? russia, hacked the dnc . >> i am saying, if anything i think that president invited donald to participate in this. lou: that is a great point, i don't think that anyone in nation for a moment thinks that the fbi, nnsa or anyone else given their track record knows who did what, certainly that quickly. mike? >> astounding that critics are howling more about what donald trump said rather than what

hillary clinton did about the e-mails. i do believe, i believe hillary just thrown donald trump into the brier patch. they made a mistake in admitting this is a matter of national security, i thought that the e-mails were only about yoga and chelsea's wedding plan, for the campaign to be tricked into admitting this was a matter of national security. once again, donald trump out smarts them, i just hope his critics don't figure out, as he keeps doing this, high i he is not just falling into stuff, this is by design. he is smarter than they give him credit for. lou: talking with congressman brad sherman of california last night. he is a man who led the opposite to the tpp free trade agreement.

but he said, he wishes that the democrats would quit jumping every time trump pulls one of these -- i guess you could call them you know provocations. he said, they are not buying very smart about it -- they are not being smart about it all, and make too much of it. this is a time may made way too much, and i think this mike a points, i think he is right, they are going to regret this for a long time. they just acknowledged it was a matter of national security when she deleted those e-mails. the dnc stands, basically they have been judged to be guilty of manipulating the political process again millions of their own supporters. >> it was an ooped moment, james comey asked, do you know whether or not hacking took

place, he said, i can not say, but then there not evidence then clinton campaign almost tipping their hand, doing a disservice to it. to your point of what mike said, someone said, you don't have to go to every fight you are invited to, that is something that clinton campaign needs to keep in mind. lou: thank you. >> you describe the classic reacting than proactive, they keep reacting. >> yes. lou: well, that is because the trump campaign to this point has out smarted them at about every turn, mike gallagher, ebony williams thank you so much. >> thank you. lou: up next, bill clinton, selling his wife last night as a change maker. and humanizing her. but donald trump said, she is just more of the same. >> she is the best darn change-maker i have met in my life. >> when they talk about change, i notice they have change. she has been there for 30 years, 30 years. there is no change, it will be

the same, it an extension of obama. >> an extension of obama. joe trippi, and kelly redel join me next. we can't visit philadelphia without eating a phillie cheese steak. we're live from wells fargo arena in philadelphia, it a big night. we're delighted you are sharing it with us. stay with us, we're coming right back. ♪

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>> lou: president obama has been insisting for months that donald trump will be defeated in november.

in an interview the president changed his narrative admitting a trump presidency is possible. >> anything is possible. the nature of democracy, until those votes are cast and the american people have their say, we don't know. >> joining me now, former howard dean presidential campaign manager, joe trippi and washington times column tonight, kelly riddell. what do you make of a president making that acknowledgment in that fashion. the democratic national committee has done everything it can to get the nominee across the finish line. how do you take those remarks? >> he's looking at the poll numbers and he's scared. he saw donald trump got a bump

from the convention last week. donald trump is leading in the real clear politics poll by a slim margin, but the first time he has ever led that poll. and out of the last five -- the last five -- the last seven of the last polls. so for think it race it really changes. lou: the "l.a. times"-usc poll trump with the lead all within the margin. what do you make of it? how much anxiety is being shared here by the clinton campaign staff? >> i don't think much yet. everybody expected a bounce.

the gop generally gets a strong bounce of nearly 5 points. it looks to me it's slightly better than that, a 6 or 7-point bounce. you have got to give him credit. what the president said is absolutely right. anything is possible, and trump is living proof of that. he's -- winning the gop nomination shows anything is possible. i was one of those people from the beginning who said don't underestimate him. he's much smarter in calculating than a lot of republicans thought. lou: calculating. i want to get a definition on that word. is that an political and clever? >> yes. he knows exactly what he's doing when he holds a press conference. by interjecting russia, he's stepping tonight and taking the

news cycle away from the convention. not calculating in a negative way. in the classic negative sense. i'm not sure. you know. we had a rough time the other night. lou: just to make it interesting for you. let's turn to the interjection of russia into the president campaign, referring to donald trump's remark. russia, if you are listening, it would be helpful if you can produce those emails. which i thought, i have to tell you, i thought it was clever and funny. and the clinton camp just really thought it was terrible. >> so did the mainstream media, basically calling on trump -- it was a joke. i think anyone watching that news conference understood that.

isn't it interesting the clinton campaign haven't had any issues with hacking email servers the last 18 months, but now it's a fashion security issue. those 33,000 emails deleted out of hillary clinton's account were supposed to be about yoga. how is anything in those emails supposed to threaten the national security unless there was classified business information on those. the whole argument is feckless. lou: joe, let me ask you, here is donald trump having fun. taking over the news cycle and getting the democrats to admit hillary clinton's home brew server and personal email system with official government business on it was a national security matter. and politically it's a three-fer for trump and clinton zero.

>> one of the big problems -- i don't think trump quite grasps when you run for president and particularly when you are the nominee of a main party, you ha got a much bigger audience and just the american people. you are being listened to by our nato allies. by russia. and so a lot of the things he says like nato's obsolete. like he may not come to defend baltic states. lou: you are not saying he has to speak different' tough enough to communicate just with the american people directly. to bring in the british and the chinese, come on. >> when -- there are consequences once you are the nominee of the party and could be president, people take your word seriously. he doesn't seem to grasp that. i'm in the blaming him. it's something we need to grow

into as we move forward or he will get himself into trouble, i think, eventually. >> i'm just guessing. i think they probably thank you for your concern. but the reality for them is they just have taken ahold of a news cycle and had quite a success. joe trippi, kelly riddell, thank you so much. my next guest in the wells fargo arena is an icon in philadelphia. gin oo is the owner of a famous cheesesteak hot spot. your father, he and i were friend over the years. so how is this going to break? who is going to win? >> geno's. actually i'm waiting until september.

still getting some thing together. get more information. i'm not confident on anybody yet. lou: is the convention helping you in that regard? >> it's bringing in tourism. there are so many people coming through the city and they want to try cheesesteaks. lou: i was actually talking about data points for you on how to decide clinton or trump. but you went to where it really matters. how's business? >> excellent. with the convention going on there is tourism coming in and everything. it's a booming business. lou: if we want to turn this country around and this economy and restore prosperity to all, what we need to do is have a political convention in every town. is that right? >> yes. lou: it' great of you to drop by.

i appreciate the stakes. d steaks. 50 years in business. up next, donald trump holding an hour-long news conference in which he pointed out ever so gently that hillary loves to avoid the media. >> just ask yourself why she doesn't have news conferences and honestly the reason is because there is no way she can answer questions because the job she has done is so bad. lou: so bad. kimberly guilfoyle joins to us take all of that up. it's day three at the democratic national convention. a lot of high-profile speeches coming up. obama, bind, kaine. and more on this beautiful night in america. you pay your car insurance premium like clockwork.

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[♪] lou: inside the wells fargo center in philadelphia, day three, you are looking at some of the fascinated delegates as the festivities continue on stage. we are going to -- we are awaiting a speech by the president of the united states. the vice president, the democratic nominee to be vice president, tim kaine, the senator taking the stage as well tonight. donald trump reminded some reporters how long it's been since hillary clinton held a news conference.

>> it's been 235 days since crooked hillary clinton has had a press conference. and you as reporters who give her all of these glowing reports should ask yourselves why, and i'll tell you why. because despite the nice platitudes, she has been a mess. lou: joining me now to take' the words of donald trump today and the fact he seized most of the news cycle if not all of it to this point. joing us is the co-host of "the five." kimberly guilfoyle. the clinton campaign says this is a national security issue now on one hands, and on the other dodging if the press all together with news conferences. >> the's the word bizarre.

they lost it. treason. one councilman said that's what happened. it's a national security crime against the country. it's so ridiculous. not only are they incompetent and unqualified, but they have no sense of humor. they were the ones leading the discussion about russia. lou: as a political gambit, how do you score donald trump's performance on this. >> he occupied the news cycle. instead of talking about bill clinton, they were talking about donald trump. and that was just about the lead on all the different stories today. so he's sucking the oxygen out of the room for the democrats at a time when it's suppose to be a focus on hillary. and he's done well in the polls. lou: her husband giving his much

anticipated talks. how did he do and was he as effective, whatever his goals as wanted to be? >> i those looked bert and sounded better than i have seen in recent times. i think he tried to make her appear and feel warm and come fashion that -- and compassion gnats, caring person, and make her a change maker, but that doesn't square up with the facts. the one running as a change maker candidate is donald trump. to say everything is great here, trump is take touts dark side it doesn't match up. lou: it's a collision between the change maker president clinton's style his wife, and the disruptor. donald trump doesn't self-identify as a disrupter.

but he's the anti-establishment candidate and he excited the imagination of the voters to this point. >> if he said hillary is the change maker with all the money they have been getting from the clinton foundation, it would make sense if it jiebd with the facts. the pay for play, the american people are tired of it. you see it in the exit polls in terms of people having a lack of confidence about her credibility or trustworthiness. lou: when you liner up speakers, the vice president and the president himself and senator tim kaine and mayor michael bloomberg, this has got to move the needle somewhere. kim they want them to become wor

twins because it's going to have to deliver them for they are in a more sizeable way that bill clinton. she is in trouble. and the campaign is really worried about her ability. they didn't think she would be where she is in the polls. demonizing trump hasn't worked. lou: all the strategists i talked to on the democratic side, they are concerned about the fact that their numbers will stay at 40-45% in the polls. the veal clear politics average is a problem, but donald trump has a lead, it's a small lead, but it's a lead. >> juan has -- juan said that's

terrible it's from one outlier poll and elevating it. lou: they are steals outlier if they are unexpected positive for the other campaign. >> you can't deny the enthusiasm that everybody has for donald trump. his supporters and in hillary's sense. it's been 235 days. there are too many scandals and too many problems plaguing her. with more emails supposedly to come out. lou: more emails from julian assange group. wikileaks. the dnc. that's another controversy. dnc leaks or leak was washed off the active list. the trending -- >> it's like triage.

the game operation, there are so many [bleep]ers and scandals for her. they have fingers in all of them. they sort of become scandals and you blow it off. thank you, lou. lou: oscar nominated director and actor lee daniels. he's known for his movies like "the butler," and "precious." he's executive producer of the fox series "empire." let's listen in. >> i'm here because the next president of the united states invited me. i was the -- i wonder if hillary really knew who i was. not just the work i do in

entertainment, but who i really am. who is lee daniels? does she know that my sister is under house arrest? does she know that my brother is in jail? does she know that my nephew is in jail? that my cousins are in and out of jail. that my father was a police officer, shot and murdered right here in philadelphia when i was 15. does she even know that i have en to jail? that's the america i know. and still i rise. [cheers and applause] it hit me like a brick. hillary knows me. she knows me.

and that's what gave me the courage to come and speak in front of y'all tonight. [cheers and applause] hi are you has stood with families of people who died due to gun violence. she helped turn their heartache into action. i wish she was around for me when my dad died. hillary understands our right to bear guns but wants to stop guns from getting into the wrong hands. [cheers and applause] you guys, 33,000 americans die each year from gun violence. that's 90 people a day.

enough. we need to take action. and we need to take action now. there is on one candidate willing to take on gun violence -- there is on one candidate willing to take on the gun lobby and keep our family safe. i'm bad at his teleprompter stuff. and for that millennials where i come from, who doesn't think that you have a voice, you do. and there ain't no choice. think is the most important election of our lifetime. in november, vote for her.

may god bless you, hillary clinton. and god bless america. [cheers and applause] lou: lee daniels' remarks being enthusiastically received by much of the audience in the wells fargo arena. a charming moment when he across manied difficulty with the teleprompter. it made it more an engaging appearance as he talked about hillary clinton and her evident to control guns. the democrats would like to forget the democratic national committee email scandal. but donald trump, however, keeps reminding them. >> debbie wasserman-schultz -- and believe me as sure as you are sitting there, hillary clinton knew by the.

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examinations program, the same division once head bid lois lerks rner. it comes -- headed -- the same department that was once head by lois lerner. joining me now, congressman mike kelly, a member of the house ways and means committee, congressman of pennsylvania. great to see you. are you even counseled by the fact that koskinen who is a controversial figure has referred this for investigation at the irs? >> i am encouraged about it. congressman black burn brought this up. this is the foundation that was started to develop a presidential archives. all of a sudden we see all this money coming into the foundation

and it distorts what most of us look at as pair play and the pay for play that's been taking place. whether it's uranium one, the clintons leave a clear path behind them that shows they have a total disregard for the law. they totally operate outside that spectrum. this is an important issue we have to get to. and we have to get to the facts of the issue. lou: the uranium one deal resulted in $145 million in contributions to the clinton foundation. the national liberal media thinks that's par for the course. you can do a lot in little rock, arkansas with $145 million. >> it's par for the course for the children tons. they are always above the law. they just operate that way.

we are from different galaxies when it comes to obeying the law. there is an old saying out there, you can fool some of the people some of the time, and all of the people some of the time. but you can't fool all the people all the time. i think people are look at the democratic party and their nominee and say nothing could be further away from who we are as a country. we truly are america's team. this is not about republicans. this is about what's good for america and america's future. lou: you are talking about a better way. are you talking about the trump agenda? i'm just kidding you. >> i think rereally need to make a better decision for america. lou: they are look at donald

trump's agenda. that's producing votes and building political power. the other stuff may some day be relevant if donald trump decide. but not until then in my opinion. you give us your opinion about how the republicans are doing in pennsylvania and how donald trump is doing in pennsylvania. >> mr. trump is doing very well in pennsylvania. people transferred over from one party to another to vote for mr. trump. when you look at who mr. trump is web's a guy who knows how to work together whether people towards things that are mutually beneficial. he's a builder. so hard-working pennsylvanians. i'm talking about blue collar folks who wake up every morning with one goal to put a roof over

the heads of their children and food on the table. donald trump will put them back on track and make america great again. lou: who wins pennsylvania? >> mr. trump is either even or ahead in most of the polls. very clearly, pennsylvanians are saying who will create jobs. by far it's donald trump. pennsylvanians believe in him, they believe in hard work and the rule of law, and they believe america has its strongest times ahead of it. and people will have the opportunity. you can choose [inaudible] the people i grew up with say it's our turn. november 8, [inaudible] if you don't get out to vote.

i'm imploring all pennsylvanians and all of america, if you are happy with the trajectory america is on now, and you think it will get better. lou: 70% of them aren't. >> they are very upset and they should be. lou: thanks for being with us. always good to talk with you. congressman mike kelly. it's an exciting night at the democratic national convention in philadelphia. a lot more to come, the president, the vice president, the headline speaker taking the stage tonight. michael bloomberg, the former mayor of new york city, and former f.b.i. director leon panetta who has something to say about national security and cyber-security and cyber

attacks, and the official nominee of the democratic party to be vice president, senator tim kaine. joining me now lee carter, and tony sayegh. tony can be heard throughout the convention as part of our wall-to-wall coverage as pafort our fox news radio affiliates all across the country. good to have you with us. donald trump 235 days without going before the press, press conferences, asking the russians if you are listening -- i love this line, if you are listening, russia, you can help us out here providing those 35,000 deleted, missing emails hillary clinton sent on her in the clear personal email system on her home brew server. the democrats didn't like that.

>> they didn't like it at all. but the bottom line is this. there is not a headline out there that is not about donald trump talking about hillary clinton's emails. that's the conversation. lou: it wouldn't have been if donald trump had not held that news conference this morning and says what the clinton camp considered outrageous statements. if he hadn't made those remarks, it still would not be. >> what's outrageous are the facts as described by the f.b.i. director james comey himself. hillary clinton and her team put together an stun secured server that was potentially hacked by some foreign born or domestic agent.

lou: do you spoas suppose that gave hillary's campaign manager the idea to injects russians into this? >> they have to blame somebody. they can never be accountable it can never be their own bad judgment that leads to something like this to occur. even the dnc, the wikileaks emails, that was on their own server. so clearly there are i.t. issues with the democratic party. lou: there are issues of principle and ethics and legality and honesty on the part of the dnc. we watched a thousand bernie sanders youporters walk out of this convention hall because they had been betrayed by the democratic national committee. >> that's right. elizabeth warren was talking about the system being rigged against people. but what they are saying is it's rigged against the democrats.

lou: could you believe it when she used the phrase rigged system? >> she plagiarized donald trump. but the re-at is the chair of the democratic party who is also the chair of this convention. resigned. had to be forced out of her position as a result of this email leak. i think what donald trump said is blood in the water. the democrats say one thing in public and in private they conspire. they criticize someone of their own party's religion like they did with bernie sanders. this exposes a lot of hypocrisy democrats are trying to pretends doesn't exist within their own party. it's creating a lot of chaos among clinton supporters. lou: the national media, i

looked around on the home pages of every major news organization, every outlet's home pages, there is no mention of the bernie sanders, no pictures of the demonstrators or protests. it didn't happen. jill stein, the head of the green party step together foreand getting in front off those bernie sanders supporters, not a picture. it was remarkable. black lives matter, joining up with bernie sanders supporters on the streets of philadelphia. >> there is a tale of two conventions. there is a convention happening here and a convention happening in the media. i saw a different situation on the ground in cleveland as well. people aren't being told the full story. the whole picture isn't coming out. but enough pieces of the story is coming out.

the democratic party, the dnc, and hillary clinton, the party's nominee, they are colluding. lou: is there a movement within the republican party to pardon julian assange based on the emails he leaked? >> not to my awareness. i'm not breaking news on that right now. you mentioned jill stein, the green party candidate. she stepped in to lead the bernie sanders movement as bernie sanders stepped out. he has been on this floor twice calling for unity. he detached himself from a movement that's going. lou: you used the word unity. i don't know if that's a serviceable word. he was calling for quite and calm. and there is not that -- i don't see that energy for unity, and i don't see resolution in the fissures that occurred in philadelphia the past three days.

>> i think he made a call for a common enemy. he said we are not suppose to be fighting each other anymore. we have a common enemy, it's donald trump and we have to fight him. susan sarandon and others are saying hillary clinton is not going to represent me. some people are saying they are going to vote for donald trump. i don't know how many of them there are. lou: 30% of bernie sanders -- larry sabato, the political an this projecting 20%. others up to 30%. either way you are talking about out of 13 million, you are talking between 2.6 million and 4 million people which is the margin of president obama's victory in 2012. >> they have options. if you are not going to become part of the democratic structure, you either don't show

up, you vote for jill stein the green party candidate or another candidate your choosing. i think not many will vote for donald trump. but those other two are pretty bad options. ralph nader in 2000. what he did led to his ultimate loss. >> the wisconsin spokesman may have that vividly in their memory. as we look at the four-way race as it's polling. trump he mornings in the every one of those as the beneficiary of the split party. it's amazing. tony, thanks for being with us. we are going to have quite an evening. thanks for being with us. we want to read a few of your comments that have come in the last few days. carol commented on facebook, love you, lou, but not watching the dnc convention. would rather have root canals in all of my teeth. well, then, you know, at least

you love me. i appreciate that. patricia commented, quote, as much as i love you, i have to pass. the thought of the clintons and the weiners in the same room. and a twitter user tweeting, love you, lou. i love that theme. will not watch another circus tonight that plays with people's emotions and nothing else, period. we thought you might share our perspective at a look in democracy in action. or maybe we'll get more dnc emails to share with you as well. we love hearing from you, and we love you. so email me at loudobbs.com. . up next, donald trump laying i to the lack of leadership from

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lou: prosecutors today, as we return to the wells fargo center arena, night three of the democratic national convention -- prosecutors dropping all remaining charges against three baltimore police officers. last of those accused in the arrest and death of freddie gray. the decision follows the acquittals of three other officers and puts an end to this case brought by baltimore state southern marilyn mosby. freddie gray's death fueled the black lives matter. mosby remains defiant. she blames police investigators. >> we do not believe freddie gray killed himself. we stand by the medical examiner's determination that freddy grape death was a homicide.

lou: donald trump responding to that news, blasting mosby during his press conference. >> i think she ought to prosecute herself. i think it was disgraceful what she did and the way she did it at the news conference where they were guilty before anyone even knew the facts. lou: joining us is juan williams, co-host of "the five" and mark simone, american radio talk personality and great american himself, great to have you with us, mark. let's turn to this case. i mean, zero percent. >> there is no way you can justify it at this point. mosby said today, the coroner said that this was homicide. the question is on what basis?

obviously of what that basis was is not persuasive to the judge who threw out the previous three and now these three have been dismissed. what you see here is the politicalization of the death of freddie gray. first by miss mosby, and then by donald trump saying the police were right all along. you still have a dead young man and somebody should explain. lou: mark, there is something to be explained here. who should be doing it and what are your thoughts? >> i thought trump had an excellent point, the prosecutor is incompetent. look at the results. it was a trial by a june, not a jury. it's cold, hard facts. maybe she overcharged the guy. he was in the back of the van alone. so whatever happened had to be accidental. it might have been manslaughter.

the mayor of baltimore in the crisis, the prosecutor is a bumbler. i feel bad for baltimore. lou: you were trying to mark up an acquittal. i have great confidence in the legal system. mosby, people on the left and the right believe she got way ahead herself. so emotions of the moment. but she was not alone. the mayor of baltimore, i mean, the city -- it leadership was disgraceful. >> way too emotion. she should recuse herself if she can't be objective. lou: baltimore didn't come out of this well. >> the rioting damaged community and business.

there is no way to say that's good. emotion overcoming common sense, but the emotion is tied into what i believe is a legitimate grievance where you see black people feeling we are more often subject to violence or unjustified use of force by the police in this country. and i think then the young people, they are the ones who began the rioting. lou: that's a narrative that's dissipating quickly. it's taken much too long for it to do so. one of the latest stut studies shows there is no difference in the way in which law enforcement is treating people in this country. in terms of a constant here, the narrative of grievance is overwhelming. the simple fact. baltimore had a black police department leader.prosecutors.

had a black mayor. and for there to be a grievance, there is no accountability. these people in positions of leadership it seems to me, juan, they should be held accountable to their community. the community wants to reach out to someone else. but the fact is right there in front of them, the power structure of baltimore, it's been democratic for 50 years. >> they had a real problem with leadership. but just as we want to hold the political leadership accountable. i think you should hold the police accountable. lou: the police have been held accountable. >> how were they held accountable? lou: they were arrested. >> there i a deeper more systematic issue of how police relate to poor blacks. lou: mark, get in here, juan is

beating me up. >> you are trying to cure the symptom, not the disease. we have major cities out of control for decade. chicago is a killing field. rudy giuliani proved up clean up a city and end crime. ific this problem. so right to the root and clean up these cities. >> i think you have a dysfunction in a lot of these poor community. especially poor minority community. i think it's unfair to the cops but don't think that justifies unsubstantiated use of force. >> there is a use force sometimes against police. if you can clean up the worst parts of new york, you can clean up any place. it can be done. and we can't let this go on.

lou: it' unfortunate will be tragic surrounding the death of freddie gray, but the exoneration and the legal proceeding of all six officers charged in that incident, this is a divide between the democratic party and republican party it's a divide we have to recognize. it's a time for all people, and i love one word that reaches across all community. that's respect. >> if we do not understand the importance of all of our community and all ethnicities and races, you have got to respect law enforcement first and foremost. in each of these instances, it is a gun involved. especially in baltimore or

washington. yuan we just had a case in st. paul where a guy had a gun on him. he told the officer he had a gun and the guy shot him. i appreciated what you said in the sense republicans and democrats -- they are taking sides on an issue that does require respect. and looking at a black lives matter demonstrating here. black lives matter is effectively a hate group. it's discriminatory by its very name. what do you think, mark? >> if you want to do something about this problem, clean up these cities. what do they all have in common, chicago, baltimore, detroit. it's one party rule and it's often democratic party rule. they have not been good at cleaning up these cities. >> i don't have any argument with you or lou on that point.

we have seen especially in baltimore poor quality leadership. but when it comes to black lives matter, in addition to white lives and upper income lives matter, black lives matter. lou: shorthand is not applicable in discussions of black and white. this country always celebrated a fundamental value, the value of life. and that means all lives, all americans. and i wouldn't tolerate something called white lives matter. >> you are not a minority. lou: i think we are. i will be part of the minority or majority as long as i'm an american. that should be the attitude of everyone.

>> i think there is statistical evidence if you are black and unarmed, the police use force, the idea of black lives matter is to say -- i'll show you a "washington post" analysis. lou: i will show you a harvard study. >> the harvard study [inaudible] i'm telling you i think black lives matter is being undercut by saying all lives matter. lou: it ought to be undercut by office holders of local, state, federal, county who are leading and working for the people they represent. there should be no me for something called black lives matter. >> what happens when you have an inequity. lou: if there is a need in 2016. what the heck have we done the past 50 years in this country and we are talking about democratic rule.

>> despite the progress we made on race relations, if you live in a poor or his andic community, education, healthcare, housing, we have problems. >> i think this is the saddest thing of the obama 8 years. he was uniquely qualified to deal with all of these tensions and did nothing to make them better. lou: we got a little sidetracked. by the many fundamental in the political decisions we have to make as a country between democrats and republicans. because i passionately believe that we have watched wasted time, money and lives in cities where so much more should have been done. i'm saying that as somebody who worked at a poverty program as a young man. it's disgraceful.

what has taken place. up next. donald trump says the democratic ticket can't be trusted and will flip-flop on key issues on trade if they take the white house. >> they will go toward tpp and vote it in very shortly after the election if she wins. they will vote it in. just mark my words. hopefully we don't have to worry about it. she'll change a comma, change a paragraph. lou: change something. change has already arrived. but now governor mcauliffe says he was just kidding. we are live from the wells fargo center. it's night three of the dnc. we are coming right back. what an impressiv impressive sit is. ♪

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lou: we are look at the delegates here. all along from the very beginning this night scheduled to take on the theme of national security, one of the principle themes of this evening's discussions and performances and appearances. president obama himself taking aim at donald trump in an interview earlier today. but trump fired back during his news conference. >> if you listen to any press conference he has given or listen to any of those debates. basic knowledge about the world or what a nuclear triad is or where various countries are or the difference between sunni and shiia in the muslim world.

those are things he doesn't know, and hasn't seemed to spend a lot of time trying to find out. >> his views of the world as he says don't jive, and the world is a mess. he will go down as one of the worst presidents in the history our country. lou: joining me now, congressman pompeo oh. we have chanting and all of the things that normally attend a political convention and greater enthusiasm than we have seen before. almost certainly because the president of the united states will be here later this evening to give an address. national security, let's turn to first what has become a contest between the president who

injected the idea of the russians after clinton's campaign spokesman took it up as the reason why all of the nefarious activities of the dnc emails were released by wikileaks. adjudicate this for us, will you? >> it's classic clinton. when you finds out you have a problem, you deflect and deny. it's clear who invited the russians to do damage to america it was hillary clinton. she put classified information on an tun secure server. the -- on an unsecure server. lou: donald trump today, what he said -- i thought it was an

extremelanextremely humorous re. the national media and the government would appreciate you passing them on if you finds them. what's your reaction to it all? >> i thought mr. trump was just joking, too. i don't think he's advising the russians to steal government information. i think the democrats are trying to make a big deal out of it because they recognize with russia, ukraine and isis destructive all around the world, that they have an enormous problem.

and they can't get someone elected to advocate for four more years of the same policies. lou: this candidate responsible for much of the foreign policies benghazi hangs like a millstone from her neck. what about the failures as you see them of the obama administration? >> i think a powerful case was made by mr. trump and all of the national security experts who spoke. we have the chinese moving in the south china sea. it's not a jv team, and al qaeda and isis are not on the run. this doesn't even begin to touch on the investigation i took part

in with respect to the four americans killed in benghazi. we are not respected around the rld, a donald trump will restore that. lou: donald trump as he's contending with all the flack today, how are you feel being him as your party's nominee snow has dominated the news cycle in e midst of a national convention to the democratic party. he has grasped the headlines from the headline makers and recast them with his name and that of the republican party. >> i think it's further evidence of the experience of 7 years of barack obama. bill chin tone got and tried to convince the country his wife would be a change maker. nothing could be further from the truth. she was the one who put these policies in place. that's becoming apparent to a

broad swath of the american public. and that's why she'll fail. lou: both leon panetta, former cia director in particular will speak tonight and address these issues you introduced against by robbie moog of the campaign by hillary clinton carried on donald trump today. what do you think of his appearance and the political importance of his speech tonight in defending the children stop candidacy. >> through time i have respected some of the things mr. panetta achieved. but tonight he will give a partisan speech and try and tell a story that is different than the one everyone can see. yesterday in france we got a priest who was beheaded by isis. and the president of the united

states has done nothing to make isis less effective necessity extending its veatch around the world. i don't know what mr. panetta can say tonight that would convince the american people that the policy of the president around the world has shown a failed american foreign policy. lou: the investigation, internal investigation ordered up by john koskinen, the director of the internal revenue service. do you expect that could be a significant development, and do you think much will come out of it? >> i don't. i signed a letter along with a dozen of my colleagues. today we got a letter back saying there will be an internal investigation. that's totally inadequate. i hope the administration will do more.

lou: congressman mike pompeo, thank you for taking the time. lou: donald trump says he can be the alternative for jilted bernie sanders supporters. >> a lot of bernie sanders supporters will come to me because i'm best on trade. we'll make new trade deals and bring our jobs back to our country. lou: speaking here later tonight, president obama, vice president biden. vice presidential nominee tim kaine and former mayor of new york, michael bloomberg. a lot in store and a lot to analyze. stay with us. it will be an exciting evening. you've wished upon it all year,

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lou: donald trump holding a rally at the in ohio. he's leading in the real clear politics national average by a point. let's listen in. >> thank you. so you know, i really had and i interesting time because i'm coming up and watching television, and they are hitting me at that convention, trump, trump. and they are going a little crazy, because we are leading now in the polls. we are leading. they are going crazy.

[cheers and applause] they don't know what to do. this was not supposed to happen. crooked hillary clinton she is not doing very well. not doing well. it's amazing. [crowd chants trump trump trump] >> let's just win. let's just win. november 8. you have got to get out. you have got to vote. we have got to win. we have got to win big. we have such opposition. the press is totally dishonest. 25% are okay. and we have to fight it. we have to fight the dishonesty of the press.

we have to fight a lot of things. but we do better when we have to fight. when we started this journey june 1, i had 17 people all together. one by one by one. lou: donald trump going after the press, going after the democrats, and pointing out, i thought rather modestly that he was ahead in the polls. joining me to assess it all a.b. stoddard. and charlie spieth. i haven't talked to you in person in h -- in so long. real clear politic arm. dold trump by a percent in the national. he's doing great in all of the battleground states.

people are saying he's got to have some kind help to get toio, florida pennsylvania. all of them in play. >> the clinton campaign and democrats have been arguing this is a convention bounce. but if you look at the polls the last couple months, they are spending millions of dollars on ads to promote her and disparent donald trump and still it's tight in those state. seemingly those ads aren't working. lou: francesca talk about money being spent. we are talking about a couple hundred million dollars. >> she is outspending him 40-1. and not gaining on him in the polls. slipping ever since the f.b.i. director came out and politically indicted her. then we are looking at -- i have seen in this battleground state

of pennsylvania devastating ads. the pro trump super pac has taken out for him about her speeches. it's hitting her on her honesty and trust deficit. so it's really true. he has thought all along he could do this on the cheek. not a lot of people on the ground. do it from the air, from twitter, from tv. but he has been traded the key state where he is going to be fighting with her, and those are the states, on six or seven of them. if he concentrates resources in the right places you can win, and he's winning in right places. lou: the winning margin for barack obama in 2012, those votes amounted to new york, and california. and as you say, you can difficult tribute in terms of electoral votes.

but this has to be profoundly upset together clinton camp. charlie, you are a long-time republican strategist and leader. you have got to be impressed by what donald trump has been able to do here. >> i am impressed by these numbers that had the convention going on in pennsylvania and having his numbers being as good as they are in pennsylvania has to be scaring the heck out of the clinton team. lou: what do you attribute it to. we look at campaigns and say you have got to have a great ground game. you have got to have a half billion dollar war chest just for your super pacs. you have got to have a billion dollars. that was from the last cycle. this when the numbers were going to be much higher. absolutely not, says donald trump. he's running a much more efficient campaign.

>> at the moment he is. but i wouldn't rest on his laurels. this could be just a convention bounce. and the democrats are very good at herding the voters and getting turnout with negative mess ands. i still think donald trump need to raise that money and put together the traditional ground game to supplement his savvy media organization. lou: we are hearing numbers this month that have to be encouraging to the trump campaign and the republican national committee. those numbers won't be final. i'm sure the republicans are pleased the with that. but the numbers should be encouraging to the gop. as charlie says, it's a long way to go here. but it looks like trump has the structure and organization. paul manafort now leading it with great effect.

>> it comes down to turning out those votes on election day in 2012. that was the biggest thing that hurt mitt romney. there were places where john mccain won. that operation will be very important. even with the chaos you are seeing within the democratic party, they have established those operations in these state and they are working hard on that. hillary clinton will be going on a bus tour as well. lou: former cia director leon panetta now on stage. listen in. >> military and intelligence professionals are on the front lines far from home race canning their -- risking their lives for us, for our freedom, for our way of life. a president, a commander-in-chief, has no

greater responsibility, no greater responsibility than the decision to send our troops into harm's way. i have worked alongside nine presidents. republican and democrat. all experienced. all believing in the u.s. role in world leadership. i can tell you this, that in this election, there is only one candidate for president who has the experience the temperament and judgment to be commander-in-chief, and that's hillary clinton. [cheers and applause] this is no time, this is no time to gamble with our future. america faces flashpoints and

threats from around the globe. we need a president who is strong and smart and courageous, who enters the oval office with the respect of the generals and admirals who lead our military, with the confidence of diplomats who represent america, and with the trust of our troops who know that she'll always have their back. [cheers and applause] that president is hillary clinton. [cheers and applause] during my time as cia director and secretary of defense, hillary was a strong supporter of our efforts to protect our homeland. to decimate al qaeda and bring

usama bin laden to justice. [applause] it was a tough decision to go after bin laden. in long meetings in the white house situation room we debated that fateful decision. i presented the intelligence to the president and to others laying out the risks of that operation. and when the president went around the table for our country temperatures national security leadership, there were concerns. but hillary was clear. we have to go after bin laden. [cheers and applause] lou: leon panetta, the former cia director, former defense secretary. joining me on the phone to react to his comments, the former ambassador to the united

nations, john bolton. john, that speech began rather -- well, i wasn't entirely sure who was going to be talking about, were you? >> it had its usual measure of platitudes. but in its opening minutes the most stunning thing he said is we knead somebody who will have the backs of the generals and the troops and the diplomats, and that's hillary clinton. maybe he forgot what happened in benghazi on september 11, 2012, when t the american ambassador d three others were killed and hillary clinton's response was to blame it on a mohammed video and leave the state department while americans were in jeopardy and go home. lou: the even collusion of leon a net -- the even collusion of f

leon panetta this evening, clinton's campaign manager injected into the campaign that the wikileaks email of the dnc sowing collusion against bernie sanders, now robbie mook may have created the whole thing out of whole the cloth. donald trump saying, i love the line, i said it tonight. if you are listening, russia, we could use a little help on these emails and getting lambasted by the clinton campaign for it. your take. >> panetta and the campaign as you point outset that trump was

encouraging russia to hack the clinton emails. maybe thee people have trouble telling time. this is the way it works. first hillary clinton put her email server out there for the russians to hack. then they may haved it. then her -- may have hacked it. then her lawyers destroy the emails. then donald trump suggested maybe the russians could turn the notion they would raise this, i welcome it. lou: we have a protest going upon within the convention here. as you might guess, panetta reacting. these are bernie sanders supporters raising posters and their voices and chanting rather loudly.

>> let me point out something that just happened today. lou: here we go. >> he asked the russians to interfere in american politics. think about that. think about that for a moment. donald trump wants to be president of the united states is asking one of our adversaries to engage in hacking in intelligence efforts against the united states of america to affect an election. lou: leon panetta may have wait toad long for the payoff line as he accused donald trump of seeking russian help in hacking.

i mean, that is on its face untrue. isn't that correct, ambassador? >> the russians can't hack emails that hillaries boys already he raced. if they got them, they got them while they were still on her server for which she was so careless. that's the irony, the russians may know more about the clinton foundation than the f.b.i. does. lou: we appreciate you joining us by phone. thanks, john bolton, thank you. we appreciate it. ambassador john bolton. francesca. that was quite a bald statement. >> it sounded like "nono more wars" is what they were chanting. bernie sanders must have been upset about him voting for the iraq war.

lou: a.b., your thoughts? >> it's interesting. you are right, lou, right when panetta was getting to the part about what donald trump said and did today which was supposed to be a big moment of unity. there was booing. but they rounded out with their signs about drones and no more war. as i look around, it makes me wonder if they are going to do this to hillary clinton tomorrow night. >> they are certainly going to be protesting president obama tonight. there is a planned protest of president obama tonight. lou: lots more to come here from philadelphia. as you can see, it's already an interesting evening. trish regan will be joining me next. we are live at the democratic national convention. you don't want to miss a moment. stay with us.

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with me. don't get any ideas. this has really been such a remarkable convention in every way. tonight the democrats are trying to get some kind of unification and they are bringing out the heavy hitters to try to do it. all of the bernie sanders supporters refuse to back hillary clinton. you heard the coaches say they were vested away interrupting leon panetta's speech there so the big question on everyone's mind is this party ever going to unite? welcome everyone to fox business that works at the democratic national convention but i'm trish regan coming live from the convention floor here at the wells fargo arena in philadelphia. coming up tonight all the heavy hitters, president obama, vice presidential nominee tim kaine former new york city mayor michael bloomberg, but speaking in just moments we have vice president joe biden. i'm here alongside lou dobbs and are so karl rove as we await the vice president biden's remarks