or or stein. these things hillary said she is going to do should have been done when she was secretary of state, but nothing was done. thanks for being with us. peter schweizer joins us tomorrow. good night from new york. [♪] kennedy: thank you, lou. i laugh at your greatness. there are two things that define this election. whether you like the people running or not, both hillary clinton and donald trump are opposed to the trans-pacific partnership. a lot of people hate the tpp because the president negotiated it, and many people see him as dumb and wrong. he's gotten so much wrong it' hard to tell when he's right. believe it or not, he's right here when it comes to free trade which makes the world richer.

do you like convenience, access and cheaper stuff and open internet, then you are down with tpp. the president spoke earlier today about the 12-nation trade orgy. >> our economy currently has fewer tariffs and is more open than many of our trading partners. so if everybody agrees we'll have lower har rivers, that's -- lower tariffs, that's good for american businesses and american workers. kennedy: bernie sanders voters held up anti-tpp signs. they are good at hugs, but bad at math. don't listen to your commie friends when it comes to economics.

another reason to embrace tpp is hillary clinton's abandonment of a pac she once loved. she used to speak glowingly of the pac. >> the tpp sets the gold standard in trade agreements. kennedy: but then bernie sanders' populism infected her brain and she flipped like a burning pancake. >> the president should listen to and work his allies in congress to make sure we get the best, strongest deal possible. if we don't get it, there should be no deal. kennedy: she nation nancy pelosi sounds like martin luther king. even donald trump suffers from populism goes the weasle.

>> bernie sanders was right. he was against it. kennedy: when bernie sanders is directing the economic narrative, run in the opposite direction. let money and goods and labor circulate. give business and workers greater choices and fight for freedom in all of its forms. and whatever you do, don't listen to your inner commie. ron paul tells me why he's against the tpp. the cdc issued a zika virus travel warning for miami. globe trotting professional foodie adam richmond will be here with yummy trees. i'm kennedy. yesterday in pennsylvania donald trump criticized bernie sanders for endorsing hillary clinton. lambasting the democratic

frontrunner in the same breath. >> if she would not have done anything, gone home and went to sleep and relaxed. he would have been a hero. but he made a deal with the devil. she is the devil. kennedy: hillary clinton's take on her server scandal is so off base she appears to be discussion an alternate universe. which will backfire worse, trump's tirades or hillary's deceptions. let's ask my panel. welcome, everyone. it's hard to figure out. i think they are both overplaying their hands. they are both make massive mistakes. he's calling her the devil, going on the brutal offensive will be helpful to his poll

numbers and she is flat-out lying. >> this is like asking which is worse, a heart attack or a stroke. i would be fine with neither. you know when your foot falls asleep? and you have a goofy leg. that's gary johnson. the thing is, neither one of them can stop doing what they do. trump says things without thinking, he does it all the time. and she is an inveterate liar. to ask either one of them to stop doing what they do is like asking them to stop breathing. kennedy: so she lies, but he has no self-awareness. at this point the great hope was donald trump was going to be bombastic and fun to watch and

carry the primaries on his shoulder and get to the general election and all after sudden become presidential and change. dose have the self-awareness to change? >> no. the first thing you learn when you get married and meet your in-laws is you are not going to change them. whatever their entrenched habits are, they are not going to change. hillary is in her late 60s, donald trump is 70 years old. here is the thing. kennedy: let's ask more about your in-laws. but here is the thing. hillary has lied many times. but people know she is a liar and all politicians lie. donald trump has been caught on camera lying as well. but when you look at donald trump, some of the stuff he says is a national security threat. if you are going to choose between two liars, many people will say at the end of the day

they may not have a choice than to vote for someone who might not throw national security off by her off-the-cuff comments. kennedy: at least one of them mathematically will be your president. is there anything useful about what they are doing? >> no. it's like offensive to me as a writer when he says you make a deal with the devil. hillary is the devil. and that's of course the sad exclamation narkt tweets. there is not much to do. i'm not going the vote for either. but i do think another gloss on would you just said is do you want the sneaky liar, or the crazy thrier? sneaky versus crazy might be our election. kennedy: exactly.

>> i prefer crazy like a fox. kennedy: how do you deal with liars? >> the other thing you do is you stop listening when they talk. the american public has done that for decades. you have to do your best to see what they actually do. and at least with hillary we have a record and some idea what she might govern like with trump. >> i think a lot of trump's lies, he lies to mike himself look bert. but hillary's lies are because she is amoral and ethically challenges. kennedy: i think she has deep problems. >> i'm trying to be polite. also in terms of national security, i don't think someone who runs an insecure server

while secretary of state, i'm not trusting her. kennedy: program on that server are only supposed to be read on a alpha numeric code on a closed system. warren buffet taunted donald trump over his refusal to show his tax return. buffet offered to show his if trump would do the same. what do we make over this battle of the billionaires. do you think it's important for somebody running for president to release their tax return? >> i do only because it's based on expectation. i think in general too much is made of it. there was a gradual rollout and it became a kerfuffle. there is usually nothing in there, oh, my god, they made their money on crack. that's not going to show up in the tax return.

but the idea that there is going to be a smoke gun in there is probably not right. but the refusal to adhere to standard operating procedure when you are running a national campaign is worth noting. kennedy: it allows people to create conspiracy theories that might not exist. because he hasn't released his tax return people are saying he has ties to the mob and russia. and we would know this for sure if he released his tax returns. isn't it better to release it? >> i don't give a damn about trump's tax returns. i don't know why anyone cares about this. do i suspect they show's not as rich as he says. yes. do i think they will show minimal charitable donations? yes. >> the main point especially after the convention. you see people harden on both

sides of the aisle who they are going to choose to vote for. and i don't think whatever is revealed in the tax returns would turn the strong voters off. it's just not going to. kennedy: is there enough that can be made. obviously people dead set against them, it's not going to change their hearts. >> the undecideds, the independents, those economic all hurting, those who disavowed party affiliation. >> if the texas returns shows he's less rich than he's claiming that would turn into a big story. kennedy: thin would stop writing him letters asking for money. coming up millions of americans are student loan debt are avoiding those pesky phone calls demanding payment. will the left bail them out? is that what they are waiting for? strong paul will join me to say

why he's against the tpp. stay with me. ♪

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$85 billion. let's ask the party panel. kirsten, i'll start with you, there are a lot of millennials who entered the workplace and they want what you say is instant gratification. >> that's the culture millennials have grown up with. they want to go to college immediately rather than taking a couple years off and saving money. as soon as they graduate they want to have the very best job. and none of that is realistic. to say i'm not going to pay my student loans because i don't want to deal with them. now when they are faced with this escalating debt, it's becoming a major problem that tack pairs will have to bail them out. if they do, that might be the on solution, but it's treating what the symptoms are. it's not treating the roots. kennedy: it doesn't deal with

the root cause at all it's very expensive. there is no such thing as free tuition. but telling a group of people, it's okay to default on your debt because you have good intentions. there is something wrong with that it seems. >> they are defaulting to the federal government. we switched to a system where the federal government is the lender for these student loans. when you borrow money from somebody and you don't have the money to pay it back, you avoid them. people now have that relationship with the federal government and that's not healthy it's not a good outcome to say ebb owes the federal government cash, it cannot be foregiven and it cannot be discharged in bankruptcy. that's didn't than housing debt. >> they never should have gone the into the business of doing student loans in the fir place

and it contributes to rising tuition costs. kennedy: you have massive administrator's fees and those salaries are on growing. there is no free market to keep schools or encourage schools to keep tuition costs down. they keep raising them because they know there is a guarantee, a pot of federal money where student will dip in. >> that's common sense. you so you throw that out the window and not talk about it. i'm a little hurt you didn't go to me for the millennial perspective. i am an honorary member of every generation. i was reborn after 1980. i think it's a little unfair to blame this on millennials. he millennial wants to go to college and go to the best school.

i think he generation has wanted to do that. i think millennials are getting a bad wrap asking about the on ones going through this. it's easy to say you took the loans, you need to pay them back. but we are talking about people who can't pay them back. >> i don't know what the answer is, but, you know, i think a lot of people lived with not want to go answer the phone or check their mail. i went through a period of my life where i did not want to check the mail he day because it would not be good news. i keep the ringer off on my phone. >> i don't understand. what is it psychologically. >> they are waiting for president clinton part two to take a pixie wonk. >> you can't imaginically forgive the debt.

that's taxpayers' money. kennedy: the party and is returning later. find out [inaudible] the doctor who wrote the handbook on zika joins me to talk about the cdc travel warnings.

kennedy: the centers for disease control preconvenient issued its first travel warning to avoid an

infected neighborhood. what can we do as a nation to t'k dr. joseph alton.at shlds el he's the author of the zika traveler's trandbook. i'm curious to hear about the zika. i'm wondering how serious is it and how much is hype and hysteria. >> this is serious from the standpoint of the first locally transmitted cases in the united states. this is a big problem because it means we have the ability now or the tendency now to have clusters of all sorts of zika cases in a lot of warm-weather states. i believe you will see a number of these, the c -- c also says so. kennedy: a lot of people are

talking about ddt. is there anything in our arsenal that has fallen out of favor that will be effective? >> ddt was useful but it did a lot of environmental dan. but deet is a safe, effective mosquito repellant even for pregnant ladies. oil lemon within eucalyptus. this is something you need to do. you need to have light, loose clothing. long sleeves, and you need to stay indoors when at all possible, especially in the neighborhood that's affected. kennedy: a small neighborhood within miami, should people be avoiding miami all together? >> i don't believe that' the case. it has been localized to a one square mile snort -- north of dn

miami. i think people should carry around mosquito repellant. kennedy: i said this about ebola and i was right. if you bring it to the youth we'll find the best solution for it. what is the solution? is it an immunization or a spray treatment we can blanket the earth with. >> both of those methods are actually being researched. we have a vaccine that's already in phase one trials in humans. that's one good thing. we have a number of effective ways to deal with the types of mosquitoes that are causing the zika virus, and the state are putting funding into dealing with this issue. florida has 2.2 million

allocated by governor rick scott that's going to go to trying to control this epidemic or this outbreak. this outbreak in this miami neighborhood. kennedy: how whichever private company comes up with the best solution first, they get all the money. let the free market prevail. >> i believe in that. i know there is a significant competition going on. you can produce an effective vaccine first. kennedy: you let the companies fight it out and they will rights to the top like delicious whipped cream. let's say zika-free you and me. a pilot tackles a drunk art and whales can sing.

but can this whale sing the lyrics from elo? the "topical storm" is next.

kennedy: when your election enthusiasm is flat and flaccid pull into my service station for a bit of a goose. this is the "topical storm." topic number one. we have all heard of the runaway ride phenomenon. it's the stuff of rom-coms. but this is not a runaway bride story it's a runaway flower girl who bolted. >> i promise to be faithful. >> i promise to be faithful and supportive.

kennedy: it's unbelievable. who knows if that little girl is bolting to get in line for cake. maybe she is making a run for rio. she really had some hustle. it's good luck for a flower girl to take off in the middle of a wedding. topic number two. they say that one man's trash is another man's treasure which explains why pirate's chests are often filled with spaghettios. some folks in new mexico spotted this. that's a bear on a garbage truck. that's exactly what that is. riding it like it's a surfboard. after the bear was done sorting plastic and paper and compost,

the driver had enough courtesy to park alongside a tree so the bear was able to climb down animal a family of six. now that he has gone the a taste of the limelight he made his way to hollywood to audition for some films. >> ranger smith we have a 423 in redwood valley. and bear disturbance, sir. okay. so good. that was very real. topic number 3. you are about to meet your fast it pilot, ted striker. you have seen a drunk guy on a plane. some of you have been a drunk guy on a plane. but one man got so agitate he tried to man handle his way past the female flight attendant and that's when an american airlines pilot sprang into action.

watch the rest of his. >> sit down! enough! you don't touch the flight attendant. kennedy: you don't put your hands on a flight attendant. he's been waiting to use that line since flight school. topic number four. whales are the chris christies of the sea. blubbery creatures that shoot out incoherent hot air through their blow holes. look at these folks. they got to see some whales off the coast of quebec. that's a little too close for comfort. isn't that cool?

that reminds me of free willy. after the whale is kaipts the aquarium and swims out into the ocean. i forgot about that grisly scene because willy was so hungry he devoured a sea lion. i guess that's why they call them killer whales. that's what they do. topic five. we have our scuffles with the russians. but when they do something awesome, i give them due credit. like hockey star who pulled off the best trick shot of the all time, hockey.

[♪] that's thinking outside the box, buddy, use that stick like a tomahawk. it's making me look forward to the winter olympics because who knows what kinds of cool stuff figure skaters will come up with? [♪] i love it. so sweet and inspiring. i know we have to wait until two more years to get back rio with the zika and dead horses. i'm always looking for you on twitter if you have topics you want to see on the "topical storm." use the #topicalstorm. coming up. one of america's biggest cities is about to have a shakeup in

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kennedy: new york city's police commissioner bill bratton announced his resignation effective in september. his departure will mean something for gotham. but what will it seen in let's ask our party panel. katherine mangu-ward i will start with you. are you glad bill bratton is re-signing? >> yeah. good rid dance. he's the poster boy for the creeping trends in law enforce to the go after people who have limited resources with vulnerable populations it's all symbol and no substance. kennedy: couldn't you argue while the chief of police in

los angeles and new york the crime rates went down? he was there from sea to shining sea. a giant human shield in both major cities. he opposed a museum about graffiti a few years back because it might encourage the use of graffiti. kennedy: he says marijuana is responsible for the -- for the rise in violent crime. do you think the city will be less safe wowft bratton in the helm. >> whenever change comes, there is perceived vulnerability. are we going to be safe from terrorism. there have been continual protests in new york related to black lives matter. the thing that nation the nypd

stronger is their officers. they are great people and we'll see who bill deblasio accepts. bill bratton said who he wants to take over. that's going to be an issue for deblasio. >> i think it's finally an irish cop. kennedy: bratton also a commissioner in boston. a super model married to tom brady. she reportedly was going to participate in the rio olympics ceremony. but a skit allegedly portrayed her being attacked by a kid, then being rescued by cops and then embracing her attacker.

kennedy: even models are getting mugged in rio. >> this sounds like a wrong story where someone was watching a rehearsal and misinterpreted. the real mugging that's going on is the people of rio who will be stuck with this bill after they lose millions of dollars on the olympics. >> it's such a disturbance to choose countries that are third world to host these places. kennedy: that was so smooth, you have a future, young man. should they cancel the olympics? >> move to l.a. yes. >> this is ridiculous. it's so out of touch.

globalists are taking over the world and don't care about the narrative trump has been feeding on. >> typical olympic overrun. 175%. >> she knows the math. thank you very much. the party panel for the ages. i put my stamp of approval on it. coming up, ron paul joins me on the president's push for a trade deal.

kennedy: president obama is pro meeting the pacific trans-pacific agreement.

the president addressed political opposition to his trade master plan. >> right now i'm president and i'm for it. and i think i have got better arguments. kennedy: he may have the better argument, but does he have the votes? the luck is not on his side for passage. bernie sanders and hillary clinton and donald trump are all come out against the tpp. dr. ron paul has a better grasp of economics than all three combined. let's talk to him. host of the ron paul liberty report. welcome back. let's talk about this. i think we both can agree free trade is a great thing. yet i don't think the president is going to find congressional support for tpp pass and by the time he leaves office. and the next president is opposed to it. are we doomed? >> the first fallacy is that if

you pass tpp that you have more free trade. that's not necessarily so. you get more managed trade. all these organizations, wto and nafta are managed trade that pit certain groups against the other. so that is not the answer. one is free trade and the way you get that is not by having bigger governments. kennedy: isn't it better for countries to lower trade barriers and tariffs to have easier access to stuff. >> at a better rate. but we already have huge tariffs on steel coming in from china so it's a hoax. if you raise tariffs you punish the very people you say you are helping. one principle that people should remember is if you have a free market and sound money, all the motivation isn't for labor juneons or big business.

it's designed for the customers and consumers. if you look at this as a consumer issue, obviously it's better for the consumer. if we are not competitive, why aren't we come wettive in the consumer is the king in a free market economy. kennedy: also the environmental movement. they all pose big impediments to free trade. if we are not going to get there, it seems these agreements are the next best thing. obviously they are not ideal. if you were still in congress would you vote for tpp? >> absolutely not. for the reasons i stated. because of the process. kennedy: for you it's free trade or nothing? it's all free trade tore nothing. any sort of agreement, even if they please life a little bit for businesses and consumers, that's not enough? >> even if you bring up the

environmental issue, i don't know people who don't like the environment. but to think the united nations and these groups will protect the environment, the bigger the government, the worse the environment. private property is what protects thian. private property and private ownership you don't have the right to pollute. but this is ignores. kennedy: long these two parties are in power we'ller in have true private ownership because they think their job is to force more regulation in our faces. >> since i agree with you you wonder why i would come across being modestly optimistic. this system is going to fail and we have to replace it with something.arian money market is

growing by leaps and bounds. the bang system will self-destruct. kennedy: that's your version of optimism. it's all going to hell. >> i think freedom is alive and well. i think the young people when they are told about it, they will respond in a certain manner. but they are they are giive a

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