thank you for being with us. join us tomorrow night, embassador john, pastor burns among my guest tomorrow. goodnight from new york. [music] kennedy: tonight americans on edge after weekend of attacks. are we safe and how do we balance freedom and security? the panel here to answer. plus donald trump and hillary clinton, they're each weighing in on accusing the ' re being weak on terrorism. we have new fox polls on who voters think is more qualified. gary johnson isn't going anywhere. he's not on the first debate a week from tonight. all that and so much more. let's roll. [music] kennedy: a suspect in custody in the bombings of new york and new jersey, people on edge in and out of the region so even with some resolution it's not only too close to home for new

yorkers who just mark it had 15th anniversary of 9/11, it's also too close to the election which is just 50 days away so how will the candidates use the blasts and new terrorist in custody to their advantage? donald trump turned out to be right when his explosive comments offered fire storm after dumper explosion in chelsea. >> i must tell you that before i got off the plane a bomb went off in new york and nobody knows exactly what is going on. kennedy: he got a lot of heat for using the word bomb. how dare you donald, that could have been a gas -- >> i have been briefed about the bombings in new york and new jersey and attack in minnesota. kennedy: wait, did she just say bombings, not on cnn because

they edited out that part of her statement. well, let's see what was going on in the cnn edit room. [laughter] kennedy: wow. with the bomb negotiation the northeast and stabbings in minnesota the winds of terror tend to favor the strong man and not the sick old lady, trump has pulled better on terror, though she gets points in foreign. they are both wrong and neither gets to the motivation for why radicalization takes place, who gets caught up and how to effectively counteract or replace it.

instead hillary clinton calls for animus intelligence surge that gives us too much security, false that makes us less safe instead of going after the bad guys, goes after everyone making crowded and impossible to swift through. there's no dangerous a society that sees everybody as criminal that guaranties those who exist outside the law are free to terrorize the innocent. i love your luscious liberty. i'm kennedy. [music] kennedy: 29 people injuried from a bomb blast in new york. vicious knife attack that injured more than in minnesota. so what should we be doing in response? here to answer tonight is my party panel, lisa booth, washington examiner,

contributor, andy, cohost of loretta fox news channel, forbes senior political contributor on siriusxm. welcome, everybody. these are crazy times, unsettling times more so because candidates are doing what are they can to capitalize on this moment of tragedy that could have been absolutely deadly. so who do you think has been better at responding to these recent bomb snción. >> you know, the problem is it almost sounds political and i didn't like donald trump getting out ahead. kennedy: you thought he was too quick? >> you don't have to be a genius to know it was a bombing. law enforcement, by the way, has been so extraordinary in this adventure that they have their reasons for deciding when they want to say something. you don't get out ahead of them. i will say this, i don't think hillary clinton got out ahead of

them and she had been briefed. but you know what, they both would have done well and said let's leave it -- kennedy: this is what i'm wondering and this is why he pulled better on terrorism because andy, he says exactly what people are thinking. you know, like rick said, pretty much everyone knew what happened and that it was a bomb and probably terrorism. the problem is she's so careful and that almost seems she's extendingtending the status quo. she's a woman of the facts and wants to get things right and i understand that that's his appeal on that issue. >> i'm tire that had the government woke me up this morning to ask me for my help. that's all i can say about it right now. [laughter] >> i don't think trump should have said, bomb, i don't think it was a big deal as a lot of med i made it out to be. kennedy: specially when cnn

edited out the comment to protect her. >> there were reporters retweeting a scanner tweet, eid, take care of your own house before you start talking about other people's house. i've been briefed, like, the good little school child. kennedy: yeah. >> i do think in this case it's fine for an ordinary citizen to walk around and saying it's obviously a bomb, if you're one of the two people who is going to be president, yeah, you may -- as rick said, wait for law enforcement to make that judgment. can he be ken it's easier for him to walk it back, better for his personality to say later, you know what, thank god i was writing about that as oppose to being more careful and now what he is doing is trying to tie her to not only the domestic terrorism that we are seen in

this country recently but all the bad decisions in the middle east that led to it. >> are you implying that trump would ever say i was wrong? [inaudible] >> he's ambiguously wrong. they both said it was a bomb. it's just one person is getting criticized for saying it and the other being protected as evidence by cnn editing footage saying it was a bomb. but the problem for hillary clinton, you mentied it before, hillary clinton does represent the status quo here. americans do not feel safe. president obama weak on this issue. hillary clinton served as secretary of state. you have former defense secretary blaming the obama

administration for not having forces agreement and withdrawing from iraq. isis is a foot hole in 18 different countries. that's ample opportunity to put this at the feet of hillary clinton and also president obama. kennedy: we are going to move on. donald trump and hillary clinton both claim they are uniquely suit today deal with terrorism and they're, of course, slamming each other. >> as i said in my remarks, i'm the only candidate in this race who has been part of the hard decisions to take terrorist off the battlefield. know -- i know how to do this. >> obama forget it, hillary, forget it. you will never solve the problem if you're afraid to use the real name. kennedy: i will tell you how it's a failure of obama because he can't lecture us about guns.

this time it is, although motivations for all three are identical. so the failure for obama and she's saying, i was part of every single one of the decisions that has clearly led to failure. >> except that this whole thing is so silly. kennedy: i don't think there's anything silly about that. >> nobody is uniquely qualified to deal with terrorism, number one, what happened this weekend was a horrible thing. do you really think that either donald trump or hillary clinton could have stopped it, no. the people most prepared to deal with terrorism are the excellent new york police department. so for either of them to sling mud on this is such -- kennedy: no, i understand. it is a waste of time because there's no way of proving that. my question is, andy, and this is one that i will ask future panelists on the show, it's like a zombie invasion and perhaps we create it had zombies or maybe that's another lesson for

another time, right now we have zombies at the gate, what are you going to do about them because maybe if we change our policies and if you have a restrained noninterventionist we won't be creating more zombies. >> i have seen enough movies, you need to find a cure for the zombie disease. hillary clinton can sit there and say he's qualified because she had made the hard decisions to take terrorist in the battlefield, the response should be look at gitmo under the obama-clint open administration you've made a hard decision to put terrorist back on the battlefield. kennedy: absolutely. failed campaign promise and also say by droning them, that's your ultimate solution. >> i would argue that it's the campaign promise that is led us to more zombies, you look at the

gitmo promise. recidivism rate, if you look at the campaign promise to withdraw from iraq. you created a vacuum for isis and you can pin the blame at whoever you want for creating the zombie situation and -- kennedy: all right, we are going to have more with our panel and much more on the topic throughout the show. coming up the predictable reaction to call for more surveillance, but could that actually make us less safe? there's an argument to be made and one that we have. i am going to talk to tom baker about our information overload

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kennedy: politicians are gearing up on security measures but would more surveillance mean more data to swift through drowning out the real threats, mike baker is here, president of diligence, llc, welcome, gentlemen. >> thank you. kennedy: we are super brady bunch. per all three in boxes. i'm going to start with you, let's start about the mechanics a little bit, how is the terrorist attacks different from san bernardino and orlando to you? >> well, it's not in a sense, from an investigative stand point, post incident is not much new under the sun. you're looking at how does this differ, well, they've got to the through

the same investigative steps, bomb techs and forensic personnel doing what they do. kennedy: do you feel it's the same motivation? >> we don't want to speculate. you have to let the investigation play out and that tells you what the motivation is. this guy could be much like omar mateen in florida with the orlando shooting, we don't know that yet and it's wrong. we have already seen some of the officials try to walk the statements that's not terrorism or not related to international terrorism. let the investigation do its course. kennedy: all right, absolutely. there's much to learn and, you know, we could prove ourselves wrong by trying to gleen too much too sun. we didn't have to sit through a gun lecture from the president and that's certainly different. certainly future interventions will have an impact on future terrorism, but terrorism is already here so what do we do about it now in this country? >> i'm afraid we are doing

pretty much all we can do right now, you know, if you -- if you think about it, even if you wanted to increase surveillance, the question is what would you do. i looked it up earlier today, there's a hundred thousand afghan americans living in the united states. to prevent the next attack by an afghan americans are we going to surveillance a hundred thousand people? kennedy: the data backs this up, it makes us less safe, gives us false sense of security but you go after too many people and then there are others who just let their guard down and i think that's what's on a slippery slope. they're not necessarily lone wolves, motivated in the same way from the same place, they're just not affiliated. they're not affiliated in the way that the 9/11 hijackers were.

people who are somewhat acting independently but not surprisingly. what do you do about that? >> a couple of points, you're probably on firm ground there, so the other point is with this situation that we have in chelsea, new jersey with the suspect now in custody, there are degrees of connection and we are the ones in the u.s., we get wrapped around the terminology, is he a lone wolf, from the islamic state or al-qaeda or boca haran, they don't care whether it's a nut job, delusional, whatever reason or a true believer in the caliphate who is there, it doesn't matter whether he's direct control as long as they carry out on act. we are the ones in the u.s. that get wrapped around the axil here. the other point that i could make is we could be drowning in data and that is true. the more surveillance that

you're engaged in, i mean, if you think about a listening operation, if you're on a communication intercept of a safe house used by suspects, if you're monitoring that data, if you're monitoring those conversations real-time, you have an opportunity to prevent or disrupt an attack possibly. but if you're not, if you're ahead, if you're behind the curve and storing up this and going to go after it at some other point, you may miss the attack. the good part about it is you have to data and maybe go back and query that data. kennedy: what should we be focusing on? >> i think at this point we have seen that the fbi caught this guy very quickly. i think we need to be focused on responding quickly and efficiently to attacks when they do come and i think the other thing and i heard this earlier on the show is we need to think hard about our policies overseas and whether or not they're contribute to go people getting radicalized in the united states. kennedy: it's all about zombies

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we are still very much in the throws of a presidential race, in 50 days americans will be voting for our next president. that means one of them is going to win. according to fox news neither candidate can be trusted.

less than 40% think that hillary clinton nor donald trump are trust worthy when it comes to qualifications to be president, clinton holds significant advantage over the republican nominee according to the poll. andy, rick unger, so andy, what does this say about the election that we are in right now? >> how bad are both of these candidates? how can a guy who a majority of voters say isn't qualified to be president is basically tied with the other candidate? and then you have the woman who only 34% of votest say is trust worthy is basically tied with the other candidate. at what point do both parties realize that if they had nominated almost literally anybody else they would be crushing right now. kennedy: yeah, al gore and mitt romney, why didn't this fall from the heaven. >> joe biden. kennedy: that's a good point. >> i agree. [laughter] >> everybody would get massages.

[laughter] kennedy: smell so good. donald trump should be able to beat hillary clinton, but, you know, right now it's a dead heat and we don't know what's going to happen. that's the crazy thing about this race. >> i would argue donald trump should not be able to beat hillary clinton, however u he very well might. right now i have been saying for a long time that i think the popular vote could go to donald trump but i thought the electorate college would go to hillary clinton. i don't know that that's true as we sit here right now. i think this is changing. i don't know which way. kennedy: certainly some of the polls have tightened up in the battleground state that is we have been watching for months and it seemed like hillary clinton had places like pennsylvania but her lead there is eroding and they are tied in very important states like florida and ohio. how do you see this going? >> i think donald trump could very win this thing. he's leading in ohio, florida,

iowa, things are tightening in nevada. she's putting out bill clinton and hoping he can reengage with voters. president obama is heading to campaigns because she needs help with african americans. for african american support it went back to preobama levels, democrats lose florida and lead in ohio would be cut in half and she's struggling with trying to get those obama 20112 margins and i just don't think he's going to get there. kennedy: there's no doubt she's crushing donald trump definitely with african americans and certainly with hispanics, but i guess what it boils down to is passion. can you inspire the kind of passion that president obama did in 2008 and 2012? >> certainly not. kennedy: he reached out to the african-american community, do it as a favor for me and legacy but i don't think making it about him is enough for her. >> it's not. lisa's analysis was right on the

money. >> thank you, rick. >> exactly what is happening. this entire race, all the things that we protected it would come down to it's coming down to the african-american community. i happen to agree with you. i don't think that the president going after i'm going to take it as a pirm -- personal insult is getting it done in the real world. >> if you watched obama's speech over the weekend and you thought to yourself, man, hillary clinton is no obama. that was a good speech. it was fiery and got people going. >> she can't do that. kennedy: the white house correspondence dinner without the sitting president is not -- >> not so good. >> what does she stand for as a candidate? why is she running besides ambition? kennedy: there has to be some connection, deep emotional

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kennedy: earlier dar today d ear today ahmad kahn rahami shot several officers trying the take him into city. >> we'll have a well trains

presence in the subway, you will see bags being checked. bomb-sniffing dogs. that will continue. kennedy: life will change a little bit, though new yorkers are used to this protocol. joining me, former police commissioner bernard kerik. >> you don't want to go back in the game. you have done yours, let them do yours. jimmy o'neill took over. good guy. he's been in the department for a while. kennedy: tough first day. >> it's nothing he's not used to. he's just -- if you are going to have somebody at the top in a circumstance like this, he's a good guy to have. kennedy: if you talk to police officers across the country,

they don't like bill deblasio. there has been a lot of tension with the commissioner who just left and the rank and file. how does he bridge that gulf on a day like this where he needs those officers around the city. >> you bridge that divide so to speak by supporting your guys, your men and women out in the field. but more importantly you put a leader in charge who can do that for you, and james o'neill is the guy. kennedy: has the mayor done a better job of improving relations with the police. >> i think he tried after the run-in with the union and the killings of the two detectives. the commissioner is going to take charge. and james o'neill, the new commissioner -- kennedy: how does this burden shift today. we still don't know if there is

an active terror cell. maybe there is something from what rahami was a part of. but how does this burden and responsibility shift today? >> all this will come to fruition the next week or so. but his position doesn't shift. they are going to have an extra thousand cops in and around times square, manhattan over the next week. we have the u.n. general assembly here. you will have heads of state from all over the world coming here to meet the u.n. the president will be here. it's an enormous responsibility. the good thing for new york is we have resources no other police department has in this country, the amount of resources between the police department, the federal, the state authorities. enormous resources. >> i think this is the best police department in the world as far as counter-terrorism. when we see those officers answer they have the counter-terrorism on their uniforms walking around this

building, it gives you pause because you worry what might be lurking out there, but it gives you a great deal of comfort. what can we learn from the departments in new jersey and new york about what weren't right? >> the lessons learned will come out of this. i think the biggest issue is the communications network between the local state and federal authorities. it worked phenomenally. intelligence capabilities. one thing you said about our success in combating terrorism. new york city is probably the only municipal police department in the world that actually has detectives in other countries. we have people in jordan and the middle east and europe. in asia. kennedy: full time or there learning stuff and bringing it back. >> full time. sister communications programs. we have people there, they have people there. it gives us an ability to get retime data and information when

things are going on around the world. kennedy: do you think the threat is over? do you still ride the subways? >> no, the threat is not over. the threat is here to say. the radical islamic movement against the west, against freedom, it's not going anywhere. kennedy: do you arm everybody? >> you don't necessarily armer. but you have to come bait. you have to annihilate isis, al qaeda. al-shabaab. we have to make sure our intelligence abilities are the best they can be. and there is an educational process of the young muslims. the way of jihad is not real. kennedy: do you think the west is doing an effective job countering that? i don't think most people understand the motivation. they don't understand why and they don't do a good job. >> that's why they are not doing a good job. they should listen to the king of jordan.

these guys know what should be done, how it should be done. if i were the president i would have them in charge of this global war against isis. kennedy: take care of it over there so we don't have to spend the time, the money and blood overseas that so far have done us very little good. appreciate the conversation. come back. coming up, libertarian presidential nominee gary johnson weighing in and he has a lot to say about this two party system. hillary clinton has apologized for calling half of donald trump supporters deplorables.

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kennedy: libertarian presidential nominee imary johnson weighed in on terrorism earlier today with neil cavuto.

>> is it a question of more resources? they should be directed away from regime change and take the resources away from war and put it into protecting you and i here at home. kennedy: or take that money away and let people have it in the first place. last night on "60 minutes" he compared the two-party system to dinosaurs. the party panel is back. so i'm going to start with you. is johnson right? have people had enough with two party system and are libertarians the ones who are going to create a cataclysmic extinction level? >> absolutely not. >> there is no way in hell. gary johnson is a super nice guy. kennedy: libertarians are so super optimistic.

>> it's a two-person election it's always going to be a two-party election until the parties burn themselves to the ground, by parties do. the system is so rigged -- i sounds like a trump supporter. kennedy: you sounds like bernie sanders. >> if william weld would be your nominee it would be different. >> once you are not in the debates, it's over. kennedy: he's right about the system being rigged. this an identity crisis within the republican party. i don't hear a lot of people being excited about republicanism. >> i think it's happening in both parties. what does the party represent? i don't know anymore. there wouldn't have been 17 candidates if the republican party knew what it represented. look at the left with the bernie sanders phenomenon.

both parties are struggling with. kennedy: if tough people with limited government, pro-liberty people in the republican party, they get squashed by a lot of the hawkish knee s neo-cons. >> in the democratic party people like bernie sanders gets squashed. kennedy: that's what we saw at the dnc. >> lisa is nailing it today. i don't know if you can have an identity crisis when you don't have a republican party. the democrats are right behind. i don't know that i will be able to be a democrat in the next few years. the democrats are embarking on the same situation. kennedy: i relish the implosion of both parties.

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kennedy: earlier this month hillary clinton claimed half of donald trump's supportsers could be placed in a basket of deplorables. hillary clinton later walked back her comments calling grossly generalistic. here to defend her comments is juan williams. co-host of "the five." we talked about this on "outnumbered." i think this is what a lot on the left called an unforced error. you can attack an opponent and say donald trump is deplorable and craft the argument he's xenophobic and islamophobic and do that to your advantage. but when you go after someone's supporters, isn't it like going after your enemy's families? >> no. when i have hard data that backs

up their opinions and what they believe and you finds they believe things like black people are lazy and not as intelligent. when you finds out given what trump did on the birther issue, only a quarter of republicans believe the president was born in the united states. when you finds out and general through the column that appeared in "the hill." ronald reagan said in his farewell address, don't be afraid to see what you see. kennedy: this is a very close race. 40% of trump supporters describe black people as lazy. but 20% of hillary clinton's supporters agree with her. only 43% of hispanics view the religion positively.

also with hispanics they think no more muslim refugees should be allowed into this country. >> my point to you -- >> are they deplorable people? latinos deplorable people? >> what i was focused on was not racial groups, what i'm focused on is republicans and trump supporters. that's what you asked me to discus what i'm saying. when she spoke about deplorables, she wasn't talking about hispanics have a deplorable view of islam. like you we have david axlerod who wasp president obama's advisor. they said police clinton made a

mistake because she said they were irredeemable. kennedy: agree with this islamophobia. but you have latinos who aren't going to get out to the polls with any sort of passion for her. >> we'll see. that's a big issue. the question is how much has she done to activate what should be a home run base for her. given donald trump calling illegal members cans rapists and the like. but again the paradigm that you said is different than mine. i'm talking about trump supporters. what i can see to get -- to go back to what ronald reagan said within don't be afraid to see what you see. he is appealing to people by using at times bigoted kinds of appeals, and i don't like it. it. kennedy: i don't like it from either side. i think that's why 60% of the people who are going to vote in this country are turned off by the two major parties and their

nominees. they see this emotionalism as not benefiting them personally or economically. and it doesn't take us where we need to be. it's an interesting article. you wrote it on the hill. >> you know what's great about it? you and i get to discuss something of substance. the idea that people are not just talking about the horse race but actually talking about who we are as the american people seems to be very important. kennedy: we didn't forget the "topical storm." america needs to find out if this cat is a dark horse candidate for the cover of "cosmo" magazine. thwow,t's nice.-new 2016 chevy malibu. let's check it out. do any of you have kids? i do yes. this car has a feature built in

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but we'll send bottle service out to the car killing time playing candley crush. and all the uber drivers out there, if you are fortunate enough to have jeb swing by and pick you up, the good news is, you don't have to pay. he only asks one fave. as you exit his vehicle, please clap. topic number 2. the rembrandts were an average band who did society a disservice by selling their song to be one of the most annoying tv theme songs of all time. "i'll be there for you." the friends theme has burned your ears for decade. now finally it got wait desperately needed. no, not a cease and desist order. a touch of metal.

[♪] you will be there for me when i throw myself in front of a bus after taking handful of pills that i washed down with you are ped withturpentine. >> ebb is looking at google maps obscuring a cow's face. did anyone stop to think that the cow is perhaps in the witness protection program? you see, hat heffer is an eyewitness in a murder trial. i can't go into picks, though i know someone here at fox won't say who the person is. he's currently being prosecuted

for killing jimmy hoffa. the key witness? that cow. that's one to grow on. topic number 4. even the happiest of handymen is lying on a park someone else built. the one imie in australia is doing everything from scratch. this man is building his own shed which means he's digging out his own kiln, starting his own fire, and assembling the entire structure himself. this is do it yourself construction at its most elemental level. very impressive. think how hard it is to chop down a tree out basic tools.

i love it. sometimes you need a little help. i can't tell if this cat pampering or cat torture. it involves a blow dryer, a persian cat an an overly dramatic song from 198. i know, the cat killed your curiosity as it wants to kill you while you sleep. this is weird. watch. ♪ i know, it doesn't make any sense. i just pretend that kitty is singing. i just died in your arms tonight. promise? thanks for watching the show tonight. you can follow me on twitter and instagram @kennedynation. email kennedyfbn@foxbusiness.com.

tomorrow on the show it's a massive lineup. take my hand, let's skip away into the wild blue yonder. i'll see you tomorrow night. good-bye. the battle of little bighorn welcome an outsider into their ranks. >> once they trusted him, they would share things with him. >> he paints their portraits and gets the inside scoop on custer's last stand. >> white cow bull was the sioux warrior that shot at the officer. >> his life's work becomes this woman's strange inheritance. she's convinced it's worth millions, but will anyone buy it? >> was he an artist or just someone who documented a side of history? [ door creaks ] [ wind howls ] [ thunder rumbles ] [ bird caws ]