stuart: normally at this time before we introduce neil and his program, we are talking about i am trying to calm down from a furious discussion about socialism and capitalism with our good friend juan williams. it is over, you can catch it on facebook. it is yours. neil: i wonder how you could treat people, we have a lot going on. and when it comes to releasing the tapes of the shooting of keith lamont scott. listen to what the police chief said on the issue. >> why not release the video? as i said before my job is to

make sure i don't do more damage, more harm, to be quite frank fracture the trust we are trying to build. just because of what is going on in social media. neil: was he taking a jab at the lady behind him, the mayor who has been urging the release, several angles from police just cams, advisor cams on the police car. no one knows what the tapes seem to show, the police chief will get this out. it might be a good idea to get this out. and why not lead with this. and more immediate for the panthers viking game, 1:00 pm sunday in charlotte and

charlotte as you know is right with violence, problems, put all this into any equation when city is trying to keep things -- keep the highest officials locally dealing with this on opposite ends, not getting nasty with each other but on opposite ends. those in authority can come from different vantage points and deal with this. an opportunity to talk to the reverend jesse jackson, a very calming influence no matter what side you are on. martin luther king jr.'s niece, you might remember her dad who gave a lot to the cause of racial justice. i am listening to all of this and thinking would the better part of valor be released the tape, let people decide, if it

confuses them, the family is confused by it, enough to say it vindicates what they have been arguing? how important is it to get the tape out there? >> i believe it is so important to allow the family to view the tape and for every side regardless how anybody wanted to respond on social media or not but respond to the family first. that was so respectable and i am grateful from the leadership that i'm hearing that. i am calling for spirituality, spiritual leaders, media, church, wherever we are but if we are spiritual at all, to at least stand up, unify in spirit even if our messaging is different. i believe the tapes should come out but i believe the people should be prepared. neil: what if the tapes don't show the police with a gun, they

shot a man who did not have a done? it is easy to judge in the heat of the moment but that is the moment. what then? >> it does happen in america. in tulsa, we had a verdict, didn't take forever to happen. they did not try to justify and switch evidence. i do believe, speaking of law enforcement, i have friends of every ethnic group in law enforcement, nothing to do with black or white, police officers being evil, the system needs to be overhauled, people need to be trained to see human beings you're dealing with, not just the target, shoot first and ask questions later. neil: a lot of young african american men see it as why shot by police, regarding whether black officers shooting at them.

>> one man said yesterday all white people are evil, all cops are evil. all african-americans are not angels. neil: you want to talk to jesse jackson, he had a different opinion. jesse jackson yesterday. are you worried -- martin luther king advocated peaceful protest. you are justifying what happened. a lot of those people went away beyond. >> if he had been shot -- neil: i wouldn't break into macy's. i would peacefully protest my rage as is my right as an american. that weekly interpreted by some who are big supporters of the reverend jesse jackson as racist and i believe whites are more peaceful than blacks. that wasn't my point.

that is what i would do. i would not break into macy's or fax. you are not even the right to break in and upset other people's rights to continue commerce, to do it they want to do, they have rights too. >> in the 1960s i graduated from the training of peaceful protest, my father was quick to say if you cannot be peaceful then don't go out, do not protest. neil: when you guys wear attacks, your uncle, martin luther king was attacked, it has blown up. how did you maintain that position? >> the reports are still out there. we were younger children at the time, don't riot, they were throwing cars and rocks at police cars. if you have to hit somebody. neil: a lot were angry. >> he stood toe to toe saying we

won't riot. we can win this without violence. reverend jackson, i thought i heard him say don't quote martin luther king. i can quote martin luther king, i was there and heard him say a lot of things which we must live together as brothers and sisters or parish as fools. he called for nonviolence. there is a difference between a protest and a riot, very big difference and all for can americans are not rioting. neil: why does it come down to racial? yard a racist if you have a different point of view. >> big mistake. "after the bell" made all people, that is why you are my brother. i may not always agree with you but we love each other. neil: what is it? all right. thank you very much. i know you take a lot of heat. you always state strongly your

point of view, calming influence. the bottom line whether you like it or not this is a big issue at the presidential debate, the first one kicking off this season monday. taking a look, the columnist, donald trump is sort of pivoted on this to take this in a greater sense, he is the law and order candidate. some like jesse jackson have seized on that position, i see where you are going here. you are the anti-black candidate. it is a delicate dance. >> it is a delicate dance for both candidates. trump played off of being the law and order candidate. he certainly capitalizing on the sense of chaos a lot of americans feel between bombings

and protests. preparing for the debate will be tough for both candidates. hillary clinton doesn't know which trump she will encounter when she heads to the debate. will it be the law and order trump still biting or -- he is trigger-happy. >> much lower bar for donald trump, don't know if that is true, you know more about this than i do. i think i know what i am talking about. i am wondering is part of that true that she is the established debater over many years, 40 plus debates, larger gangs early on in this election season among fellow republicans. it is hers to lose. what do you make of that? >> thing about how each candidate is studying, hillary

clinton is known as a policy -- she is doing the research, trump said it would be nice, he will -- trump supporters really care if he knows all the policies. >> they accept any trump, in hot emotional issues, how he deals with that, to encourage african-americans to vote for him, and police were right, doesn't he risk that very audience he is trying to reach? >> definitely a risk. something we haven't touched on is the early voting factor. the race is like one of those carnival pirate ships, trump has a lot of momentum. early voting could be helping

him -- neil: they take advantage of this. neil: i will feel that idea. thank you. there is a new poll out that shows hillary clinton's lead has widened but here is the weird footnote, donald trump is doing better in battleground states, he is almost electorally vote even with hillary clinton. i am thinking to myself when did that last happened? i am thinking 2000. popular vote goes one way, like doral vote goes the other. weight a minute. after this.

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neil: here is how important monday's presidential debate is, donald trump is off the campaign trail, hillary clinton, her strength, policy issues to one of donald trump, expectations and a number of things to hillary clinton, to pre-stage this. let's get to blake berman. >> when it is a friday, rarely does anyone have an eye toward monday. they are off of the campaign trail and reemerge, and before

the big debates monday night, in new york. both campaigns portrayed there debate press. and their candidate was studying daily and differently in the past, which donald trump would eventually show up on the debate stage. they will position their candidate, a more organic approach, kelly and conway appeared on stuart varney and said it is not like trump will simply wing it monday night. >> i don't think he is locked up in a cabin for two week like other people have been or apparently are cradling their heads with microchips and binders. she is easily flummoxed. she did not think bernie sanders in the primaries, did not do well in debates against barack

obama, and to anticipate the come back. >> inside trump tower, let clinton do most of the talking as the trump team feels the audience will get lost in the minutia and policy narratives. they also feel clinton comes in prepared with initial answers that might be scripted and also feel those unscripted questions come at that point is when she struggles.mber whatever. >> days or months down the line. neil: thank you very much. hillary clinton is pre-playing this, the media is responsible if it shows media bias and doesn't go tough on donald trump, intimidated by trump, just as they argue matt lauer was at a town hall event.

always in the eye of the beholder. watch this closely, media critic, what do you think the clinton folks are saying, just that alone, suspicious of the media that might not do its job? >> this comes out of the clinton playbook, the bill clinton playbook, quite successful, they did it two or three times during whitewater, during the monica lewinsky situation where at a certain point bill clinton would take to a magazine like rolling stones and attack the press for being unfair to him. the press collectively got a memo and said we got to back off and they backed off and it worked every time so they are doing it preemptively now. it is first time a reporter has asked a serious question of hillary clinton and they went ballistic.

they are working lester holt. if she wins this ebay, it is -- he will do a victory lap with the press because the press will have declared her the winner whether she wins or not. if she loses the debate in the eyes of the public, then they will say proof the media are out to get us. either way they will use the press. neil: they might try the strategy of running out the clock. she has the national lead, having trouble in battleground states, they are maybe we know policy positions, we are steeped in this stuff. he will come back with some thinkers but doesn't know what he's talking about and that will be fully evident in the debate and the media will pounce on that. >> clearly there is a hidden little secret. hillary clinton doesn't want to

do the debate. not because she can't debate, she's a good debater, she is smart but because she is unlikable when she is on television. this goes back to 2008. the more you fire the less you like her. you saw her on the book tour. her numbers went straight down during the bookstore. neil: that is trump's problem, they are both unlikable. is the goal to come out being a little less unlikable than the other? >> yes but he can energize his base more than she can energize her base. neil: you just hit on it. get your base jazzed. >> t pblem donald trump has got is in all the debates during the primary season the media treated him with kid gloves from the standpoint of being amused by what he was doing on stage and his supporters that grew and grew because they loved what he was doing on stage, the reality

is everything changes. after this debate no matter what he does they will come after him and come after him ferociously. these are people who call themselves the rest is what they are doing is throwing themselves right into the baseball game swinging and hitting the ball. neil: if she doesn't do well she will blame the media that has been kind to her, nonstop going after trump. >> the questions were unfair to her and too fair to him. neil: good seeing you again, thank you. we have some debate coverage coming up. alive your world on sundaynd that means two weekend days in a row.

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neil: an email from immigration officials revealing a push. i mean a big one, to swearing as many new citizens as possible. this one caught our attention. the field office needs to process as many cases of the approval process between now and fiscal year 2016. there was a mad dash. why would that be? congressman pete sessions, i am sure you want to know. what do you make of that

>> it is a push pushing those applications directly through citizenship. this is the focus of what the email is about asking field offices to take all the time including overtime to process, even disregarding other types of work they had to do to process as many as they can from their paperwork to citizenship with you and i both understand how obnoxious this is to an agency that is having a difficult time determining the special interests, who should we be deporting and who we turn around and find out we accepted as citizens, not be open enough about the problems they have got. neil: many look at this and say what if the government beats these issues?

a lot of conservatives targeted by the irs with tax-exempt status. a lot of applications sitting in in boxes for years, the rush of government comes depending on the need of the government, what do you do? >> wrote a letter to secretary johnson asking questions and really questioning why until they completed their complete evaluation about the problems about what they applied's processes, to now process, and frailties of their own system. and the secretary will respond, and -- neil: want to be clear. we had everything in order, and

wanted to make sure we are ahead of this, find out little speeches. >> why they disregard, even do these first. they do this part, citizenship. neil: without having all the paperwork like motor vehicles, if you don't have seven forms, six won't cut it. a lot of them doesn't have the paperwork so it doesn't matter if something nefarious is going on. then they were jumping fat. >> we believe that is true but what we believe is they are putting emphasis on other parts that would be investigated and gathering information and trying to provide that information to

make a realistic determination about the people who would follow through for citizenship. the questions we still have that loom out there are the processes they have gone through and why and how they made mistakes. what countries were these people from, what were their backgrounds and common denominators, and they have not resolved that to answer us so why move forward in and expedited fashion? the answer is pure politics by the department of homeland security out of the obama administration that is in line with the accusations republicans had been making, politicizing the department to have new people come in to be eligible to be voters and that is why this is playing itself out. neil: we will keep you on top of this, thank you very much. a lot of people are focused and

we were on this, the 65% of state taxes at the top of hillary -- you know the number that mattered most to me? 3.5 million, the size of an estate subject to higher taxes immediately. that used to be about $5.5 million. it is like $100,000 house seems like a lot or a couple together making $100,000 seems like a lot or -- i know you can dismiss $3.5 million is a lot of money. is it a lot of money ten years from now? 15 years from now? you feel the net pulling on you? the microsoft cloud helps us

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neil: some of you thought i was bashing hillary clinton, i bash any candidate who comes up with ways to get more money were not adequately explain her account to the money they are doling out and in the case of hillary clinton, the tax rate of 65%, wondering if the creativity is going to getting more money into washington than saving the money coming out of washington, thank donald trump or plans that don't add up for long-term address our debt. it might be more egregious

because the taxes over the course of 10 years under the clinton plan are an additional $1 trillion. former best buy ceo brad anderson doesn't look at this left or right. we are off to the wrong start here. we should stress the 500 million folks. you are 499. i know what she is trying to do, energize bernie sanders doubters who might love this, these are some of his ideas. what i found buried in this is the is stateside subject to the entire tax, not 65% but 45% and that is as low as $3.5 million and that is not indexed to inflation which reminds me over years a lot more people than now

could be sucked into that. >> this is a devastatingly stupid idea. it goes at the reason people try to create wealth in the first place which i work for a guy who was a high school graduate created a company, didn't make money for 20 years and after 20 years finally starts -- he has a dream he is trying to build that includes passing some of it along to his family and if you take that away why does he pay the price? we don't have enough of that going on in the country already. we have basically income from companies at all time high because the companies taking the money are the entrenched enterprises. we want the new guy, most people who make the money to be eligible for this, we want new people to create wealth, do adventuresome, ambitious things. neil: they have good accountants. having said that there is an

arrogance, telling me i think many people would be happy and feel an obligation to have the government take a little more of this, we are talking two out of $3. they are getting one of 3 of those dollars. i feel better now. so the two out of three is going to some politician out of washington, you are perfectly fine with that because that is great that the kids didn't see coming. >> i guarantee those are people who didn't create the wealth. they don't understand what is involved in creating wealth in the first place. warren made money in an unusual way, made money easily and large chunks of money by reading marketplace that was irrational. neil: god bless him, he did.

warren buffett who i have great respect for, when he goes he committed all the money to the kids. if he is such a lover of government, he would give it to washington but instead the shrewd investor he is, the best bang for my buck before i leave th fine planet is to give it to bill and melinda gates because they will get more bang for the buck than i will leaving it to the states. >> not the only people he trusted, he knew they cared how every dollar went and gave a benefit. neil: when push comes to shove i would rather do this. >> he gets the affection of people who don't live in omaha and his beloved -- neil: and should be. that is not one of the reasons you should love him. what i focus on trump on in the same issue is neither candidate

adequately addresses spending and that is out of control and something neither seems willing to address. maybe it is the third rail. >> reagan it and try to do anything like that. neil: the government gets bigger and bigger. you don't do that change. >> know. neil: good luck with this. we have a lot more coming up. we have something earlier in charlotte that was quite riveting. the police chief at odds with the mayor of charlotte. i bring it up because there is a big football game this weekend in charlotte. if you are a panthers fan or vikings plan, all eyes will be on those teams but all eyes will be on folks sitting in the stadium. charlotte under fire.

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>> the intent is to get it out and release it in a pack to the can be considered that understood. if i put it out indiscriminately and it doesn't give you good context it can inflame the situation and make it even worse. it will exacerbate the backlash. it will increase the distrust. that is where discernment, judgment and reasonableness have to come in. neil: i am sure you cut the not-so-subtle reversal in points of you from the police chief of charlotte, something he vowed yesterday he wasn't going to do, release the tape showing the shooting of keith scott, timing out when it would be released. the family of scott has seen

this tape. seems to be inconclusive. can't tell, the charlotte mayor was indicating he thinks it is a good idea to get it out, jennifer roberts saying the sooner the better. it might not show a gun. the cleveland -- i ask you because people say what is the reluctance? evil things into this delay. should they? >> it is reasonable to do a thorough job, it was recovered on scene so no question there is a gun involved here and he wants to do a good and thorough job. neil: i didn't want to jump on you but the lawyers for the

scott family said they wouldn't be surprised, oversimplifying, if the gun were planted there, what do you make of that change the ambulance chasing attorneys looking to make a buck, absolutely insane and self-serving to make that -- neil: released in the video it isn't clear in the case of the tulsa shootings, that is very quickly, the officer went far, charged with manslaughter, not so clear, people have different appreciations. >> we are responsible for our actions based on information we have at the time of the incident. we need to find out what it is that was going on at the time of

the incident and every single one of these cases not rush to judgment, certainly not burning stores or liquor stores, pharmaceutical stores, for what? we don't know what happened. let the investigation into. i don't care if god himself comes down and investigates this. it doesn't matter because the facts are not going to change. for ambulance chasing self-serving attorneys looking to make a buck it is a convenient and dangerous thing to say, it does not happen. neil: they said that is something that could have happened but i want to ask about panthers playing in charlotte at bank of america stadium. if you were down there with you have the game go on.

>> there will be pockets of protest but you can't live life by fear, and police department did an excellent job the last couple nights dealing with the situation they had, reinforcement standing by, not downtown but close proximity and safety and security of those fans are of the utmost importance but you can't stop life because of this. neil: more on yahoo, listen to this.

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neil: a peek at yahoo, stock has been getting hit ever since acknowledged it had an enormous hack attack. a lot of accounts compromised in the process. the question now is are you one of them? and how do you avoid that because this is getting routine. adam levin joins us. i am looking at this and beginning to wonder what yahoo has to say and do to calm people down because they think everything is out there now. >> everything is out there. not just a question of yahoo, we were on track to have 1 billion this year, billion file to been exposed up to this year, not to mention 120 million social security numbers last year. so we are out there but with something like this it increases the chances that people will not only have someone crawling through their email but they

will be finished and hackers arn to get them to respond to other emails that will give more information and lead them to social security numbers and more sensitive information. neil: this expands exponentially, it wasn't that long ago, back to what went down in boston, revelation the 115 americans phone records, horizon largely, were collected by security officials here. all people know is everything seems compromised whether it is the government doing a bad guy doing it. what do you advise people to do? >> minimize the risk of exposure wherever they can, use strong

passwords, password managers, use authentication where you start to log in, receive a code that allows you to continue the login process and make closer authentication more precise authentication and when you create security answers, every website answers security questions. why? most of the information you would need to answer security questions even if spoofing someone else's out there through social networking so you got to catch people off guard, don't give them the truth. when you enter a security question they won't conduct an opm style security clearance background check. need to remember what you gave them for information. minimize your risk of exposure, monitor, check credit reports, accounts, get more sophisticated and have damage control program in place. neil: how often do you update

this? >> if it is very sensitive stuff you are trying to protect try to update it frequently, every couple months, long and strong complicated passwords as if it is less critical stuff like your retailing website or things like that, less complicated passwords but try to do it frequently and have password managers and create random passwords. neil: thank you very much, good seeing you. when protests get out of control to the point they are no longer protesters but rioters does that make the cause a hopeless one? nfl hall of famer.

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off earlier and earlier. connell mcshane with the details. hey,onnell. >> reporter: hey there, neil. turns out some people, as you say, won't be waiting for monday night. there are 36 states plus the district of columbia, so really 37, that either allow early voting or what some of them call no-excuse absentee ballot voting. in other words, you can vote before election day. i want to highlight the ones that have already gotten things started and will be voting before -- some of them, at least, the people in them -- the debate on monday night. wyoming, south dakota, the likes of minnesota, iowa and wisconsin and even here on the east coast up in maine, the voting begins as does vermont and new jersey. some of these states starting today or tomorrow or already started earlier this week. so as people cast their ballots there, let's flip this over and look at how many electoral votes are at a stake, because that's really what matters. in those states that i mentioned there's a total of 53, but it's that previous map that we always look at, these are solid blue states. maine and vermont and new

jersey, take them out, and if you go to wyoming and south dakota, you're solid red. so in here are contested states where we do have early voting which could be an interesting dynamic, 10 and 10 is 20 and 6 is 26, 26 electoral votes at stake in states that at least in two cases -- wisconsin and minnesota -- are leaning blue but certainly not solid blue in our estimation. iowa, if you were listening to us the other day and we looked at the fox analysis, now may be leaning red but not solid red by any means. so that's 26 electoral votes where voting is already underway. doesn't mean everybody's going to vote are, neil. we looked at the numbers in 2012, and about 30% of the ballots one way or another were cast before election day. so it is a significant number, obviously not everybody. keep that in mind as you watch the debate monday night. and, neil, i was watching the program from upstairs as i always do before coming down, and i might say as a native and

resident of long island that borelli's is probably the best known and maybe the best pizza in the vicinity, right across the street from hofstra university -- neil: is that right? are you physically going to be out -- >> oh, absolutely. i'll be there all day long. neil: could you do a pizza run, if we give you the cash? [laughter] >> well, it'll be difficult with the cars, but i'm certainly willing to ride my bike. [laughter] neil: can you imagine? all right, thank you. that is good to know. good to know. >> reporter: you're welcome. neil: i'm a little late on junk food, but a little bit. everything in balance. all right, hillary clinton is leading in the latest national polls. the battleground states notwithstanding, but it does raise an issue, particularly the maris poll that shows here with a big national lead, and in some of these battleground states it's kind of different. that immediately got folks thinking, wow, could we have a recurrence of 2000? one candidate winning the popular vote, the other the electoral vote.

it's not so crazy. it has happened a number of times in our history. to "the new york post"'s daniel hall person on if history could be repeating itself. what do you think, dan? >> i think it's possible. one thing's definitely going to happen, neither candidate is going to get to 50%, at least if this polling holds up. obviously, something could change that. so far neither candidate is getting close to 50%. they're maxing at, for hillary clinton, around 45 nationally and for donald trump closer to 2 -- neil: is that because of the other two independent primary candidates or just because of them? >> it's both. there are other options, and these are the two most unpopular candidates ever. so people are looking for third party options. look, hillary clinton could very well win the popular vote and lose the election because it doesn't matter. what matters is the electoral college, and donald trump is doing very well in some key swing states -- iowa, ohio, he's

even doing slightly well in michigan and some other states that could be in play, maybe even pennsylvania. it seems at the marin in favor of -- the margin in favor of hillary clinton is growing in certain states like maryland. she's outperforming president obama, i think even in new york, perhaps. but in very blue states increasing her popular margin, but in the heartland where it's very competitive, she seems to be slipping a little bit, and he's gaining. so it's not -- i'm not predicting it, but it's certainly a possibility. neil: you know, i notice into their campaign strategies that they're not reaching out as much as they seem to, little more than a few weeks ago to independent or undecided voters as much as they are going back to the respective bases to get them jazzed and excited. that tape where we hear hillary clinton all but yelling, that's a union audience. maybe we're seeing it out of context, that could explain her yelling, i don't know, but she's trying to rally them around her. donald trump, the same in a number of his appearances, particularly i noticed in north carolina.

is that what this comes down to, if you can't win new ones, make sure you get the ones you have out to the polls? >> well, it's especially important for donald trump. that's why today he released and further released a list of supreme court justices, all conservatives who are very popular within the conservative movement, trying to get them onboard and insure that they come out to the polls. he isn't doing that well among his party, or i should say he's not doing as well as other republican nominees have done in the past, and it's key for him to bring out republicans, have them come home and have them support him. hillary clinton, i think her support, her reaching out is to her own base is a little less so, though she's definitely not drawing the margins that president obama did with the black community and even with the hispanic community. you see hillary clinton on tv running ads directly reaching out to republicans and saying even republicans aren't supporting donald trump. so hers is sort of a little more, i don't know, a little more jiu-jitsu. donald trump is clearly trying

to bring home conservatives, because he needs them if he has a chance to win in november. neil: yeah. the polls and the performance of the debate will have a lot to decide there. dan, always good seeing you, thank very much. >> thanks, neil. neil: all right. back to hillary clinton's in the middle of the week proposal to hike the top estate tax to 65%. now, the argument is very few people will pay that, but of course, her plan is to increase it all the way up the food chain here and start taxing those estates at this higher 45% starting rate wees states as -- with with estates as little as $3.5 million. and it could go still lower. tea party's jenny beth martin once opposed donald trump but is supporting him because of proposals like that out of the left. that's interesting, because if you think about it, donald trump has come up with a number of proposals that even some conservatives wince at including parental care for children and

that sort of thing, that they say isn't really paid for, it's just another spending program. but you seem to think that she is the lesser of the spending evils, is that about right? >> hey, neil. well, the fact of the matter is when it comes to a choice between hillary clinton and donald trump, there's no choice at all. hillary clinton stands against everything we stand for and will continue to enact policies like the ones we've seen for the last seven and a half years. the one that you just mentioned with this estate tax is just one example of it. the tax code is thousands, tens of thousands of pages long already. we need to make it simpler, we need to work to balance the budget, and these are things that donald trump is talking about doing. neil: you know, tea partiers by and large used to be concerned about deficits, the debt we were piling up, a little less so now maybe owing to the fact that candidates don't talk a lot about it. neither has really spearheaded efforts to get entitlements 7:control.

if anything, there's a push to expand entitlements and benefits, a push to increase --- in the case of donald trump -- the military. does that bother you that the government's getting bigger and it will continue to get bigger? >> well, we're going to continue to work to have constitutionally-limited government. that hasn't changed. we will continue to work for that. neil: but it seems, jenny, like you're throwing up your arms, we're not going to get kind of response that we got back in 2010 when we were becoming a force. i don't know. >> neil, i don't think it's that way at all. look, who is the republican nominee right now? it's not, it's not many of the people who this time last year people thought it would be. it's a candidate who is an outsider, and the two remaining candidates during the primary season, the last two standing were trump and ted cruz. so the issues that we care about, they're the ones that

resonate with voters. donald trump is in a neck-and-neck race right now with hillary clinton. he's talking about balancing the budget, he's talking about securing the border, he's talked about repealing obamacare, and he's talking about -- neil: well, the balancing the budget part i have no doubt he's trying to address some of that other stuff, you know, but as far as sort of reining in the growth of government outside of his, you know, penny on the dollar type of adjustment in government budgets, there's not a lot of specificity. and then a lot of that might be because it's unpopular, i understand that. but are you chagrined by that, bummed by that? >> i am, i am excited about the prospect that we face in november. we've seen eight years of almost stagnant economic growth. donald trump is going to be able to help grow the economy. as far as the programs that he is introducing, we have a legislative process in place. we are also working to hold the republican majority in the senate.

we work very closely with those who are elected who wind up supporting the house freedom caucus and other liberty-minded caucuses in the house, and we're going to continue to push for policies that support our core values; more economic freedom, more personal freedom. and we're going to work towards a debt-free future. neil: jenny, good seeing you. >> it's good seeing you, neil. neil: in the meantime, we have our own debate coverage coming tomorrow, 10 p.m. to 12 p.m. on pox news. a "your world" lye show fund at 4 p.m. and, of course, a live "coast to coast" on this fine channel beginning at 8 p.m. on monday. that's when we start, going all the way to 1 a.m. connell is willing to bike out and get us pizza. i know a lot of you have already said, neil, after what you went through this summer, we don't think pizza's a good idea. i'm getting the broccoli kind. [laughter] all right, okay.

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that was bobby knight telling maria bart bartiromo whatever yu think of colin kaepernick's stance on sitting out, kneeling out the national anthem, it's a distraction to what he should be doing and what the team should be doing, focusing on the game. the co-host of fox sports one skipping shannon, undisputed hall of famer shannon sharpe, and i got a chance to hear your comments on this in which you argue that years from now people will appreciate more than they do now what kaepernick is doing. you heard what bobby knight was saying, shannon. what do you think of that, that right now he's a distraction? >> well, coach knight should know a thing or two about distractions, because he was a distraction at the university of indiana. he threw a chair on the floor, he choke his players, he was constantly screaming and yelling, and eventually they got tired of it, and they got rid of it. so he should understand full well what a distraction is.

i think colin kaepernick got the ball rolling. once we got past whether he was kneeling or sitting, once we got past flag, the anthem and he started laying out what he was protesting, he started the conversation. now, there are going to be a lot of people that won't like his stance. they'll still continue to make it about the flag, they'll still make it about anthem, but he's trying to draw attention to the police brutality and in the african-american community and how minorities are treated unfairly. and a lot of instances in our society. neil: now, you had mentioned in your conversation, it's actually pretty riveting tv. originally, you know, rosa parks wasn't thought of very highly, ditto martin luther king even within their respective communities and outside -- >> absolutely. neil: but a lot of folks got back and said, all right, i know martin luther king, i praised him, he was a colleague and friend of mine and kaepernick is

no martin luther king. you say what? >> but they didn't say that at the time. neil: but you're not putting him in their company, right? >> they goat -- quote dr. king so much almost 50 years after his passing when no one quoted him when he was alive. so we -- history looks fondly back on dr. king, it looks fondly back on muhammad ali and rosa parks and some of these iconic figures that stood up for social injustice. but at the time of them doing it, no one thought highly of them. and as you mentioned, some in their own community didn't look fondly on them. history will be the judge of how we look back on colin kaepernick. neil: you know, do you think, though, that the cynics will look at it always, a backup quarterback, you had mentioned that and all. this might have been a contract ploy, it's gotten him a lot of media attention.

as i said, he's on the cover of "time." what do you make of that? >> i think that was, that's what makes it more amazing, neil, is that he is a backup quarterback. he's one step away from being out of the league. if this was cam newton or russell wilson, no one would bat an eye because they know these players aren't going anywhere. but here's a backup quarterback -- neil: yeah, but it does make it less likely for someone to fire him for fear it would be looked at that he was fired for whatever this move was, right? >> no, the nfl doesn't work like that. there's always turnover, so they could always say he's not playing well. and you can look at it over last couple of years, he hasn't played well basically since he took his team to the super bowl. so i don't think teams would use that against him, but one of the reasons why the 49ers let him go or for maybe a reason, if you can play, if you can play football, that's what the nfl is about. it's about production. neil: i think you're right about that because -- >> so is your tolerance.

neil: many loathsome players, they're great, people look the other way. >> that's any walk of life. there's a lot of that in all walks of business. if you can perform well, they'll keep you -- neil: no, no, you're absolutely right about that. but this poll, i mean, it kind of gets back to what you were saying at the outset, shannon, that he's a controversial figure. that might change, but right now he's considered one of the most disliked players in the nfl. so we're told that a lot of teammates bristle at him and think he's trying to be a notice box here. others have argued, look, this is only getting african-american players involved. i -- no white players involved. what do you think of that? >> well, in order for it to really gain traction, you're going to have to cross over because right now it's just, basically, minorities. you saw african-americans, and you saw megan rapinoe who's a member of the lgbt community. but for the civil rights

movement to get traction, it had to take our white counterparts onboard, and i think this thing is going to need some prominent figures, maybe a peyton manning or tom brady, maybe a tim cook, the ceo of apple, or maybe -- it's going to have to be something other than minorities in order for them -- because if it's just minorities, people are like, well, i don't really know, maybe they're embellishing it. but some of the other side get on and open their minds and open their hearts and show compassion and say, you know what? i can see this. they -- it's not in their imagination. it's not -- this is reality. i can see why they feel this way, because i know i get treated differently because of the complexion of my skin. i know i get treated because i'm a white male in america. and so if the movement can get -- to get traction, if we can get a few prominent, white americans, that would be great.

neil: let me ask you then, politicians have failed to keep the calm. it's calmer than it was in charlotte, and i've often suggested that maybe it needs guys like you, kaepernick maybe to go down there and urge calm. be people have the right to protest, some of these protests, i think it's fair to say, have gotten out of hand. >> yes. neil: but when you see people looting and burning police vehicles, burning other vehicles, people getting shot -- >> i hate it. neil: -- what do you say? what do you tell people? if you were down there -- >> it makes me -- i'm disappointed because now you're allowing the narrative to be changed to peaceful protest and to have people look at the plight of what's going on in our communities. you know, i made the analogy today, it's like a party, neil. you go to a party and everything's going good, and then a few bad apples come, and they ruin the entire night. it wasour hours of great dancing and everybody hang a good time, and then a few bad apples come in, and they're not talking about the previous four hours that we were dancing and

having a great time -- neil: right. >> all anyone wants to talk about is the last, you know, 30 minutes of the party that was ruined, and we had to go home early. and that's what happened. you had some people that had well and good intentions get infiltrated by people that were up to no good, and they used this opportunity to do probably what they would normally do, which is loot, which is steal, which is cause problems, and those don't -- neil: and ruin, and ruin it for everybody. >> the vast majority of people are trying to do the right thing. exactly. neil: let me ask you finally -- i'm sorry -- >> no, go ahead, neil. neil: did you get any heat for the comments you made, the kaepernick comments you made? did people at fox sports roll their eyes and say, oh, god, this is going to get us in a lot of heat? >> no, because they knew what they were getting when they signed me on. [laughter] they knew i was going to -- i'm going to be 100%. and here's the thing, neil, if you worry about whether you're liked or disliked, you'll be a

very unhappy person for the majority of your life. you have to, you have to say what you honestly, truly feel, what's in your heart, what's in your conscience, and you can't worry about it, because if i worry what's on the left and the right, the one thing that's hurting in the middle is me. neil: well put. it'd be tough to argue with you in person because, well, you could beat me up. [laughter] very good -- >> i'm really a nice guy, neil. thanks for having me, i appreciate you giving me this opportunity. neil: thank you very much. watch fox sports 1, skip and shannon undisputed. whether you agree or disagree, there's no middle of the road stuff. it's out there. all right. it's been a very tough week for capitalism if you think of wells fargo, mylan, insider trading charges against the big hedge fund manager. charles payne on the fallout, after this. ♪ ♪ i'm claudine and i quit smoking with chantix.

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yeah, it's, you know, the rise of bernie sanders even to a degree the rise of donald trump and saying, hey, ford, you don't move your production out of this country to make extra money. neil: yeah. he's actually legitimized bashing capitalism. >> right, right. and the thing is, it's resonating. and i think one of the reasons is maybe a lot of people wondering if capitalism can no longer live up to its promise or what it's delivered in the past, and maybe we need a new version of it, a version that's more inclusive somehow. you know, i think this is something that progressives hit on, but i think as our economy stalled, more in the middle class started to feel this way and echo -- neil: does it trigger a tit for tat though? jesse jackson yesterday was using the wells fargo example as people felt they were getting ripped off, and it kind of justifies the behavior that you see with people even going so far as looting. >> yeah, i know. neil: what'd you think of that?

>> i will say if you're a young kid growing up in the ghetto and you have an opportunity to steal, and you have a propensity to do that, you know, it's not everyone, but there are going to be certain kids who take advantage of that. part of the rationale will be that this is a business that makes billions of dollars anyway, this is a company that probably overcharges us anyway, you know? you never can walk into a walgreens in those neighborhoods and haggle over the price of something that you may need. your grandmother may need the medicine, but it's $300, they would never be reasonable with you, in your mind. so when you get the opportunity, you'll take from them too. and so to a lesser degree, that's the narrative too with the american voter these days. hey, you know what? something is not right in this system, but these guys have $2 trillion sitting offshore. ceo pay is at all-time highs. there's got to be a way of rebalancing this so that your sweat equity -- and, again, this used to be solely about

communists, progressives, but i think it's morphed into a more generalized feeling that there could be a more shared prosperity, and this is a term we heard a lot in the last election. neil: the system is rigged -- >> or the system is overly greedy, that the system is somehow taking advantage of the american public through rules and politicians in a way that now it's imbalanced. neil: all right. can you stay right there, charles? >> sure. neil: charles has, apparently, seen this tape. i have not. this is something from the wife of keith louisiana important scott, of course -- keith lamont scott who, of course, was shot in charlotte. a video is making its way through the internet. it's in the eye of the beholder, but let's just say maybe the police chief is right, it is adding to the debate, the discourse and the controversy. that tape, much more after this. anything worth pursuing requires knowledge, hard work and a plan.

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neil: all right. we are getting video of the keith scott shooting in charlotte. we cannot show it to you, so i'm sorry if i indicated -- but we have seen it. i was just seeing it during the break. kennedy has seen it, charles payne has seen it, and in case you think it gives a very clear picture of what happened, unfortunately, it does not. but it does raise questions as to whether he had a gun, right?

now, you both saw it. charles, beginning with you, the gun is more earth at the very -- more evident at the very end when you see it on the ground next to him sprawled out dying. >> i still couldn't make out if it was a gun or not. it looked if you asked if if i was leaning more toward a book or a gun, i'd say a gun. it's from the angle, apparently, like in a park. initially -- neil: you hear her a lot, you hear the police as well. >> it's all her. she's yelling at the police that he does not have a gun, that he has traumatic brain injury, and she's imploring them not to shoot him. neil: also talking to her husband -- >> right. she starts to tell her husband, keith, don't do it, keith, don't do it. we don't know what she's talking about there. neil: any idea? >> no. she tells the police, and she actually uses kind of a calm and somewhat comforting voice, and she's trying to be as explicit

as possible, telling them not only does he have a traumatic brain injury, she says he won't hurt you, and he's just taken his medicine. you don't see interaction from the police back to her. it's, obviously, a very emotional recording from her end, because she's trying to do whatever she can in the middle of what's about to become a deadly situation to neutralize it, and she's not getting any purchase from the police. you can't see exactly where he is, and that's what i was trying to look for. charles and i watched the video a couple times. i'm trying to figure out where he is in relation to the officers. that's difficult to make out -- neil: it is difficult -- >> you can't see what he's done, exact wily. neil: what would make them say that constantly? >> they don't say drop it, she says don't do it, don't do it, but they are saying drop the gun, drop the [bleep] gun over and over and over again -- neil: but she interrupted. again, you guys have watched it more than i have, but they keep saying drop the gun, drop the gun. she says he doesn't have a gun. >> yeah.

neil: so what would make them say that? >> obviously, he had something in his hand, and they thought it was a gun. neil: and they also heard later, or we heard conflicting reports it was a book. >> you have to wonder why his daughter went on social media in the first place to say that. that's what i always wondered. she wasn't there or didn't see it, but maybe this is what was relayed to her from her mother. there's a lot to find out here x, obviously, it's going to put a lot of pressure on the police department there -- neil: can you understand why kerr putney, the charlotte police chief, was reluctant to release this to the public? is it because it adds to the confusion? >> but this is not the one he's been -- neil: no, i understand that. >> it felt to me, listening to the police chief carefully and the mayor, it feels to me they think between all of different body cams -- because i think other officers were wearing them as well -- that they can portray a narrative of justification -- >> and i think i -- neil: there were two different views, right?

and so there are two different views, so they must be comfortable in saying that it backs the theory that he had a gun. >> and at one point you see a police suv pull up in the middle of the standoff, and i'm wondering if they had dash cam rolling on that vehicle as they pulled up -- neil: the wife has seen these various -- >> yes. the family has seen them. and this video from the wife's perspective is, obviously, as emotional as it gets, and your heart just breaks because -- neil: she's doing everything to avoid this. >> yeah. and be after you hear the shots fired, you know, she is just imploring that he lives, that's all she wants, and they tell her to stay back, but you have to wonder if there's dash cam video and police body cameras, and that's one of the tos that the public and law enforcement needs so we don't have these incendiary situations in charlotte. and if you look at what happened in tulsa, they got the information out there as quickly as possible with very different outcomes --

neil: well, that was almost unequivocal, right? the guy had raised his arms, that's what we saw, and she saw anyway, and the prosecutor's now charging her with manslaughter. this one isn't such an open and shut case, at least this video. >> i they what i'm worried about this is going to be -- most people's preconceived notions of what went down, it will only enhance it -- neil: and then they're going to ask the only clear case of when you see a gun in the video is -- >> you can't see him in the video that she shot, and that's what we were looking for. we were trying to get clarification exactly where he was to see if you could even get a glimpse of what he was doing -- neil: because in the photo of his body, you do see a gun next to him. >> that's a till photo. neil: yeah. but that's going to trigger these responses it was planted. >> well, whatever your preconceived notion is going into this, you'll be be able to build upon them. you'll hear the wife imploring the police, saying this is a guy with a mental illness, please don't shoot him, and then you're going to see, you know, where

she's imploring her husband not to do something that she knows could have a bad ending. and that's going to give people who think it was a justified shooting -- this is a tough situation. it could be a tough -- neil: do you think all of this should be released right away? >> i think -- yes. neil: everything? >> if you have the footage, do everything you can as quickly as possible. neil: what if it adds to the confusion? >> well, how much worse is it going to get? we've already seen someone in the crowd die, businesses burned out. they're not going to open again. the city's so deeply wounded -- neil: you don't think this will enrage people all over again, again, depending on your point of view? >> depends on your point of view. i think you get it all out there and get the wheels of justice moving and pray that, you know, keep the national guard down there and pray calmer heads come in. you know what i did think was interesting was after the family went and met at the police yesterday, their attorney seemed relatively calm, i don't you kn? he wasn't asking the community to go crazy.

so they've calmed down a little bit to the point where, hopefully, everyone or will let due process work here and justice prevail, ultimately. neil: yeah. whether it is, again, planting or not or whether he had a gun or not, what is very clear at least in the tape is a wife now is dealing with a dead husband. she was doing at least her best verbally to avoid it. >> yeah. she was trying to -- looks like she was trying to stop both sides. >> yeah, she was. >> yeah, but -- >> she was. she was trying to give the police officers information, and she was trying to -- she knows that she is the voice that her husband will listen to -- neil: yeah. >> and you feel very helpless for her because on both those fronts, she was not able to achieve her goal. neil: i have nothing to add. we'll have more after this.

♪ ♪ >> i'm lori rothman live on the floor of the new york stock exchange with the fox business brief. well, stocks are taking a breather today, down after three sessions of games thanks to no rate hike likely until the end of the year. stocks still on track, however, to end this week on an up note. shares on the move today, shares with stories attached to them. yahoo!, of course, have to start there. biggest cybersecurity breach in history. state-sponsored actor stole info from some 500 million users back in 2014. no payment card or bank info apparently hacked, but this certainly puts pressure on the big verizon sale, $4 plus

billion sale there. speaking of cybersecurity, shares up 20%, bloomberg reporting ibm and cisco may be interesting in purchasing it, giving a lift to securities stocks today.

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families to sue saudi arabia for its role, or alleged role, in the 9/11 terror attacks, but even nan is city pelosi is among those in congress that thinks they have more than enough votes to override a veto. peter barnes has been following this drama. peter, where do we stand? >> reporter: that's right, neil. the president has just a little over ten hours now, until midnight tonight, to veto this bill as he has promised to do. the president in trouble on it because many democrats, ask as you mentioned, house minority leader nancy pelosi among them, support the legislation because they think the 9/11 families should have their day in court. now, this bill would override the so-called sovereign immunity claims in u.s. courts brought by foreign governments in these types of lawsuits, but the white house worries other countries could retaliate. >> if this bill were to enter into force, if the president's veto were overridden, united states government, u.s. service

members, u.s. diplomats and even potentially u.s. companies are at risk of being hauled into court in countries all around the world. >> reporter: and congressional leaders plan override votes in coming days, neil. neil: president's trying to avoid the whole drama by what, cobbling a deal that will avoid all of this? what does that involve? >> reporter: yeah, yeah, you're right, and the white house is just saying -- josh earnest in the press briefing ongoing -- saying they are talking with members of congress to try to cut some kind of deal here and not clear exactly what parameters of that are. and josh earnest saying, though, that he understands that the president is taking political heat on this because politically so close to the 9/11 anniversary and going into the election, it's a tough bill for a lot of members to oppose. neil: peter barnes, thank you very much. meanwhile, more on that backlash for facebook here.

this one concerns maybe miscalculating how long people are sticking around to see video ads on its site. and be a lot of advertisers -- and a lot of advertisers are pretty upset. adam shapiro has more. >> reporter: damage control at facebook, neil, which admitted it failed to accurately measure the time people spent viewing videos for a good two years, and advertising agencies as well as their customers are, well, some of them are furious. facebook says it improperly measured viewing time in a way that made it appear that people were spending longer periods of time watching video advertisements and segments posted on facebook. now, the "wall street journal" reports one global advertising firm facebook's botched calculations inflated video-watching time anywhere between 60-80%. fox business reached out to publicist media for comment, we just got it literally within the last five minutes.

they said, we take the job of being stewards of our clients' investments seriously. as an industry, we need to further push more more third-party measurement. now, the statement you see there from facebook, they said in regards to all of this: this error has been fixed. it did not impact billing, and we have notified our partners through our product dashboards and via sales and publisher outreach. now, while facebook says the mistake did not impact billing, fox business actually asked facebook will you refund money advertisers paid based on the infacilitated metrics. facebook has not responded the our specific question because advertisers were making decisions based on faulty data not on billing, but on the data. neil? neil: amazing. all right, adam, thank you very much. great reporting. in the meantime, we want to pass along some news breaking out of politico. ted cruz is expected to support, and indicated support by friday -- that is, obviously, today -- of donald trump.

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neil: you know, normally when the government is rushing something, you take notice because sometimes it seems like you wait for government to do something forever, but this rush to sign up and get people approved for citizenship, get their papers in order and do all of that has raised some hackles as to whether it might have been politically motivated to get

some voters in time for the election. chief, what do you make of this and whether it looks untoward or whether it's politically driven or maybe government doing its job? what do you think? >> well, frankly, it's just very suspicious. i mean, the e-mail from that government official, i guess the head of field -- neil: right, right. >> -- office, basically said they should speed up the naturalization process because of the upcoming elections. and that just doesn't smell right. neil: right. as soon as they mentioned the upcoming election, it kind of had the smell of something that was not right. >> the question is, is this an instruction from the administration, or is this person who somehow has liberal leanings and wants more folks from latin american countries to naturalize so they can vote for hillary clinton? we don't know. but it looks very suspicious. and u.s. citizenship and immigration services has to be

very careful. the naturalization process is something sacred. bringing people from every corner of world and making them citizens is something that we do very well in this country, but it compromises the process when all of a sudden you say that you should speed up the process so they can get out and vote. and this, you know, days after we learn that over 800 people were naturalized -- neil: you read my next question. we know that, obviously, things have sped along to prematurely approve these people for citizenship without all the documents in place. now, what i heard from those who were spathetic to the administration, i just want to bounce this off of you, is if we're trying to influence this election, you're dealing with a relatively paltry number of people. so that looks kind of like an empty argument. what to you make of that? -- what do you make of that? >> i mean, i don't know. you know, in a very close election, it can really make a difference. my other concern is, look, generally the folks, the employees at -- the career

employees at u.s. citizenship and immigration services are very professional, they're committed to public service. but you find one or two who are very political, very liberal, and my concern is that if you have folks in field offices or in headquarters who have, who sympathize with the democratic party who are colluding with so-called nonprofit organizations -- neil: we don't know that. >> -- that have liberal leanings to help them register -- naturalize people so they can register and then vote, hopefully for hillary -- thinking that they would vote for hillary clinton. neil: yeah, we'll see. >> it's just not right. it's very suspicious. neil: chief, thank you very much. as a lot of people have noted here, the same rush wasn't applied to conservative groups that were seeking tax-exempt status from the irs some years back. a lot of those folks waited for years, and many of them are still in limbo. so picking and chooseing your causes? after this. ♪ ♪ music

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