too many opportunities opportunities for hillary clinton to fumble and i think she will fumble the ball and donnell will pick it up and score. charles: thank you very much and have a great time. make sure sure you keep it right here all night long for special coverage. lou dobbs has the preview special guest republican vice presidential nominee mike pence. lou: good evening everybody. i'm lou dobbs and tonight we are live from hofstra university in new york for the first presidential debate between donald trump and hillary clinton. tonight one of the most highly anticipated presidential debates in history. both candidates facing what could be a watershed moment in their campaign. record-breaking viewership is expected tonight. about 100 billion americans expected to tune in to watch what will be an hour and a half of political crossfire with no commercial breaks.

the topics to be discussed are america's direction, achieving prosperity and securing america. so, we can all except questions on the economy and the actual security. our special guest on the show tonight vice presidential nominee indiana governor mike pence. also joining us tonight it is a big night for indiana. basketball coaching legend bob knight and we will have the best political analysis for you by political director ed rollins the "washington times" charlie hurt "fox news" media analyst howie kurtz among our guests here tonight. our top story donald trump and hillary clinton set the debate for the first time and is just under two hours in the latest polls showed these two candidates are in a dead heat. a new bloomberg politics survey shows the republican nominee now ahead of clinton by two points. in the latest quinnipiac

university national poll, clinton leads by one point. mrs. clinton's lead also disappearing into key battleground states once assumed to be fig leaves in her column. not any more. the new "cnn" awards the poll shows trump is now leading her by one point in colorado and in pennsylvania clintons leaving just one point over trump. joining me now former spokesperson for president george w. bush republican strategist and "washington examiner" chief political correspondent my ring york. both are "fox news" contributors. great to have you with us. >> what a night. lou: i have to say this has been a year and a half process and we have had the excitement along the way with a couple of inventions and debates and elections but the atmosphere outside of the buildings here at hofstra is amazing. what are your thoughts on the night? >> at the night? >> at the site i think the trump campaign are feeling positive.

they are thinking the momentum is on their side in their inking it got to come in with a positive message. the key for donald trump is the presidential? is he the candidate? undecided voters even a gary johnson voters who might say wait a second i might be able to pick between hillary clinton or donald trump if he's able to come across as being calm. is that the over performer underperform. he just need to perform in a calm fashion attacker record and with enough push i think it could work. lou: you created a very narrow path for him. >> that doesn't mean he can't win it. >> they think it's mostly about attributes and not particular details, not facts, not the details of policy. i asked them hillary clinton's biggest advantage is that she knows more than trump does about policy minutia and the workings of government. they just don't think it's about that. i was at a focus group of undecided voters about a week

ago and a number of them couldn't see trump as the president. they couldn't see them sitting in the chair and they need to see some sort of sober presentation. not somber but just kind of a serious guy. think back to the debate that was in greenville south airline a republican debate were trump that into it with jeb bush accuse george w. bush of paying paying -- taking us into iraq. over-the-top semi-control. don't do that. be the other guy. >> don't over perform. lou: i have talked to some people just walking to our venue which is i'm told the volleyball court as well. a beautiful campus and a beautiful place and all the people assembled here tonight in the media and some of the guests of the two parties carolyn maloney and mark cuban, tony

perkins among one of the leading conservative evangelists in the country. there all up on the of their feet. it's purely interesting that what they are expecting is a contest that is high paid, high energy and i don't know that i've ever seen that particular debate in a presidential election. it sounds like that's the only thing that will satisfy at least the partisans and the participants. >> it's about unpredictability. we led early have no idea how trump is going to respond to what you are talking about. 90 minutes straight on, no commercials and it could be his opportunity to be able to talk about not only the dash but the policy details and a variety of areas and how he handles hillary clinton is the key. the other question we are all looking at is everyone's going

to be looking at facial expressions, demeanor, temperament. lou: we are five minutes into the broadcast. >> this does seem different from some debates in the past. think back to george w. bush's debate against al gore in the year 2000. a lot of republicans were worried about voice. he was not the most articulate candidate they ever had a lot of them counted down. lou: they are worried about bush is a classic byron york statement. >> only 50 minutes ago but obviously bush did well and won those debates but. lou: the beneficiary we should point out if some deep size on the part of al gore. >> an invasion of personal space and one of those debates as well. there seems to be more confidence among republicans and my guess is they have confidence

in trump's ability as a television performer. they have seen enough. lou: let me interject three behind as you may see a group of people who have rushed through here. and behind us is none other than the republican vice presidential nominee mike pence who will be joining us on the broadcast shortly and speaking of whom there he goes. >> i think you photobomb to you. lou: look at the crowd he has with him. i think the population of this room has just about doubled. >> i think he is donald trump's second favorite hoosier. if trump wants the presidency there will be a bobby knight room in the white house. he is that grateful tonight for helping him win the indiana primaries and put the whole race away on may 3. lou: by the way web would bet a few dollars on that as well.

i know he's controversial in some minds and hearts including some of my dearest friends and amongst those my wife and i have the greatest respect but i've got to tell you bob knight is something else and a good man. so we will look forward to that in talking with mike pence as well. delighted to be talking with mercedes and byron york. it'll be an interesting evening. looking forward to it. up next republican vice presidential nominee governor mike pence. today reminding voters what they are choosing between when they go to the polls in november. >> this is a choice between whether we will continue to go downhill with the same policies that have weakened america's place in the world, stifled america's economy or whether we are going to plant our feet, turn around and march back up the hill to a stronger and freer

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lou: we are live at hofstra university awaiting the beginning of the first presidents of debate of this year's campaign and one issue sparking controversy amongst a host of them is the role of the moderator. the executive director of the commission on presidential debates janet brown rejected the notion that moderator should be fact-checking everything the candidates say. >> i think personally if you start getting into fact-checking and not sure what is a big vacuum with a little fact and if you and i have different sources of information does your source about the unemployment rate to agree with my source? i don't think it's a good idea to the moderator is serving as the site a pdf britannica. lou: we are joined by manned

fuel cast the deciding vote on this controversy. is none other than a republican vice presidential nominee governor mike pence the governor it's great to have you here. thanks so much for being with us. >> it's great to be here. very exciting. lou: listening to her describe the role of the moderator why would this become an issue? >> well you know i am where you are on that. i was asked a couple of days ago about whether or not i thought the moderator should do real-time fact-checking. i'm old school on this. i think moderator sought to moderate and asked the questions allow both candidates to answer those questions and then people like you and the whole country can do their thing afterwards. i think tonight is such a great opportunity. frankly for both candidates to be able to lay out their vision for the country and to be able to respond to questions and hopefully to be able to challenge one another a little bit within the rules of the debate in a way that's going to inform the american public about

the extraordinary choice we have before us today. lou: i have covered a few of these over the course of my career. i have never seen the level of excitement and the level of energy around any debate and that goes back to 2000. i mean you take 1980 jimmy carter and ronald reagan. this thing is out of control in terms of the excitement level of the partisans who are filling up the audience and the media itself. it's remarkable. >> i honestly think and i was in new hampshire today on the campaign trail. on our side the enthusiasm comes in the momentum in this campaign and comes from the fact that donald trump has articulated the frustrations and the aspirations of the american people like no one in my lifetime since ronald reagan. the american people know we can stand tall in the world again and they know this economy can

be stronger. they know we can stand on our constitutional principles and and illegal immigration once and for all. in donald trump they have this bold truth teller who has been willing lay out a clear and coherent and courageous plan to do that. i think that's what is generating the enthusiasm and the crowds that you see around the country and it accounts for an awful lot of the interest that you see around here. lou: you have a lot of interests. you talk about a commotion, you are surrounded with it wherever you go. throughout this 15 months, since donald trump has entered the race he is entered the agenda. there is no way in the world if you were not the nominee we be talking about illegal immigration, border security and fair and free trade were talking about the role of nato and the balance of national security interests among europeans and the united states. he has been a rare mark rollable

presidential campaign performance. >> what you're talking about is leadership. donald trump has spoken throughout this campaign about the issues the american people care about and he has articulated, i like to say he is the best kind of impatience of the leader has. he's impatient with failure and he's impatient with failed leadership and in donald trump i think the american people sent someone who sees what america can be an knows that we can be more prosperous and get this economy moving by doing the kinds of things are ronald reagan did in 1980s and be to be perfectly bipartisan to do the things that john f. kennedy did lowering -- rolling back regulations and repealing obamacare, developing and all of the above energy strategy to get this economy moving again, stronger america in the world

stage and stronger military, growing economy. i think that really does count for the tremendous interest in the tremendous enthusiasm around this campaign and around this debate. lou: a lot of people are glad he chose you. >> so i might. lou: the idea that the two of you standing shoulder-to-shoulder on the national stage to take these issues that not only are manifestly important to the middle class that has been dwindling for more than 40 years working men and women and their families who frankly haven't had a pay increase in real terms than 30 years. a party that talks about family values have done darned little to support economically th american family. this is a real change for the party itself. the two of you represent that change. >> donald trump has articulated a vision that i think really is

an american vision. we can put america first but when we are making decisions about our national security we can put america first and when we are making decisions about our economy we can put america first. i thought one of his best lines recently in a major speech is i'm not running to be president of the world. i'm running to be president of the united states. such a contrast between hillary clinton and barack obama's vision of globalization. i had the president -- tacitly criticizing my running mate and others is i think the phrase was has gotten in the way of globalization. a lot of people are responding to donald trump's leadership because he's willing to step toward fighting every day for the american people. lou: making america great is one of the greatest slogans. america first. i don't think you can sum up a foreign policy for this nation

with any amount of work. governor does great to have you with us. who do you think will win tonight? >> i don't know. donald trump has already one in my mind because he has made a connection to the american people. we had several hundred people in milford, new hampshire today. he draws tens of thousands of people out of these rallies but he's the first one to say it's not about him, it's not about us. this is a movement and it's being driven by the people see in donald trump the vision and leadership qualities to make america great again and the fact that he brought all of us to this debate means he has already one. lou: governor thank you very much. we really appreciated and we wish you a lot of luck. live at hofstra university weight in the first presidential debate and up next legendary sketball coach bob knight with a prediction for the outcome of tonight's debate. he will not be i suspect quite

as modest as the good governor. stay with us. >> i think a lot of people tonight are going to get a different look at donald trump than they have been given by people around the press in different ways. i think when this has concluded tonight they're going to be people all over the country that simply say, this guy is pretty smart. lou: governor mike pence our guest and we appreciate him taking the time to hall of fame coach tom supporter bob knight joins me live here from hofstra university. the debate is set to start in just under two hours. there are two billion people

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where hillary clinton and donald trump are set to take the stage in about an hour and a half and i'm joined now by trump supporter and legendary indiana university basketball coach bob knight and texas tech university and west point, the list goes on. >> west point was special. i wasn't able to do something in the military. i was in there as a soldier but i might have been the worst soldier in the army history that the opportunity be that close to her army and help in that way that i did, the thing that i remember the most and appreciate the most is being at west point. lou: i've known you for a while and you have said that throughout and you have bill built your extraordinary career on a lot of the values that inculcated at west point and that make you the fellow that you are.

>> that's nice of you to say. you have been in your profession , where i don't have a whole lot of favorite people. lou: i hope this is a complement. >> you are one of those few and you know that. you know my relationship with you. lou: coach i appreciate that and i also know there is very much a lower bar for my profession and by the way i might on a given evening agree with you about that. it's great to have you here. you were one of the very first stars, you are a different kind kind of a star. you are a legend but to step out and needed early were donald trump you impressed me and impress a lot of folks with a lot of people holding back. he stepped forward. we have seen you do that

throughout your life. >> you know was simple for me to do that and i will tell you how. i always thought when i was coaching that it was my responsibility to give our players the tools to win the game. i could just simply say if we are going to play let's win. we have to be able to beat the press and if we are playing against another team that has tremendous offensive offensive rebounding we have the bvap but that's my responsibility. we have problems here and i've got to be the problem solver. my education was history and government at ohio state so i've always been interested in what happens in presidential years. i started looking around and very quickly i came up with donald trump and the reason i came up with him from my standpoint was that the guy is not national, he's international. he has been all over the world and people everywhere know him. he has gotten jobs for people everywhere.

he has had businesses everywhere but here is the key. in everything that is done, i don't care if whether it's forwarder westinghouse or whatever big corporation problems arise. right now this next president is going to inherit a lot of problems. it has to be somebody that has got the guts and the determination and the intelligence to wipe those problems out and let's get us going again. to me as i have studied it and maybe somebody else comes up with a different answer but with me the answer best that i see so far is donald trump. lou: there are some here who think that answer is to repent him. she has brought in somebody to sit in the front row. i guess the purpose would be to rattle donald trump. her bringing in mark cuban. he does something with basketball stu. >> i don't know what he does but

i would think in these circumstances i would think that would donald trump and what i think is capable of doing and you didn't mention a couple of things but i will, two things. number one in a donald trump administration there's never going to be another benghazi. there's never going to be for americans hanging out over there somewhere without anybody going to rescue those people. that will never happen with trump. another thing that will never happen his money from foreign countries coming into somebody and then using it for their own purposes. those things are not going to happen with donald trump. i think those two things happening as they did should be an answer to a lot of people and what should take place in this election. lou: coach, we appreciate you taking the time as always. a great pleasure to see you. >> i appreciate the opportunity not just to be with you but hopefully tell people may be a

little bit more about donald trump than they are aware of. lou: we will be aware of a lot more to this evening. it's going to be quite a debate. bob knight thank you so much for coming. >> you bet, i enjoyed it as always. lou: up next the candidates of will take the debate stage shortly. trump supporter rudy giuliani says the republican campaign has prepared him for the debate. >> go read the speeches and much more detailed than hillary clinton and hillary took august off and unfortunately she was ill in september and took a lot of september off. she has probably been doing a lot of studying but he's been doing a lot of answering of questions which to us is the best preparation for the debate. lou: monica crowley and ed rollins join me after the break. we are coming to you live from hofstra university on long island and the theme is the first presidential debate of 2016 and there you are beginning

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presidential debate. it is no exaggeration to say that there is more energy attached to what we are seeing here, the people, participants, partisans. it's extraordinary. by the way, this has been in part the result. if you can bring in the camera here. this is a trigger warning. can you see that. i'm going to hold it here because, folks, you're not going to believe, i don't think you'll believe this. this is a trigger warning. it is up on what i would call something of a -- i don't know, some sort of -- trigger warning,

so students here at hofstra, that they might be upset. of course, we are in the business so i have a slight bias. everybody ought to hear and see it. it's pretty american and the american way is what we are about. contained a trigger warning. joining us now to discuss all of this is washington times online opinion editor mónica crowely, former reagan political director ann rawlins. >> as a senior presidential at

hofstra, they had the george w. bush seminar. it's a mix of student body. blue-collar kids here. republican party in this campus is as strong as any campus in the country. lou: ed rollins defending anybody he's with. mónica, you're not with them. >> no i'm not. there might be issues discussed that might be disturbing to the snow flake souls of the campus is called reality. [laughter] >> as soon as these kids learn that, the better. lou: i have to say one of the things that makes doubling amusing to me, it is absurd as you say, but what makes it doubling, doubling amusing to me

ed rollins worrying and he's -- [laughter] >> how many have you put away? [laughter] lou: good lord. >> on a good day a few of the faculty here too. my counterpart. i am one of the conservatives. howard dean is my counterpart. i can't imagine what the dialogue is. lou: if you can't sell tickets to that, i don't know what else. at least one television host, but occasionally comes into conflict with. >> i love you dearly. lou: right back at you, partner. this debate, everybody is talking about it. you've been to a few. you've been to a few. i've said -- there's more

excitement on this than i have ever seen. >> yeah. >> donald trump who is driving the comietment. can you imagine if it was a hillary clinton-jeb bush debate? he's got to focus on law and order and national defense, economic populism and defeating the corrupt rig system and he's going to treat hillary as a happy warrior, but secondly if she goes after her, not attack her but do the reaganest, there you go again. >> ting critical for him tonight, he needs to treat her with respect and punch home his positions. at the end of the day, she can't make herself warm and fuzzy and honest. he basically just has to

articulate where he wants to take the country because the country wants a different direction. lou: if i may add to this, overall he is succeed in making this race all about americanism versus globalism and america first which sure would be nice -- >> her slogan is i'm with her. [laughter] lou: i should have a trigger warning. >> hillary's slogan is all about her, donald trump is all about america. lou: isn't it nice to hear the first person plural rather than singular all of the time from a man who would be president and may well be? ed rollins, mónica crowely, thank you so much. up next trump campaign manager firing back at the clinton's campaign charge, graded on a curve.

>> i think that the clinton campaign is clearly been gaming and talking to the media now for a week saying it's your job to make sure that donald trump is fact-checked in realtime. i'm just surprise that had the campaign manager would lower expectations that dramatically for his own candidate. look, they know that campaign debates are not hillary clinton's sweet spots. lou: charlie and carey next. we are going to find out just how the national liberal media is conspiring against the republican nominee. it's more than conspiring, folks, and we will be right back with that and much more, stay with us. like centurylink's broadband network that gives 35,000 fans a cutting edge game experience. or the network that keeps a leading hotel chain's guests connected at work, and at play. or the it platform that powers millions of ecards every day

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lou: you know, this is the moment, we are live at hofstra university for the first presidential debate of this campaign scheduled to begin now in just over an hour. blockbuster ratings are expected tonight. what does blockbuster mean? more than a hundred million americans are expected to watch donald trump and hillary clinton debate tonight. that would easily top the most watched debates in political

history. 80million people tuned in to reagan-carter debate and bush- clinton, perrot. joining me now washington times columnist, fox news contributor charlie, political reporter for the daily carey, great to have you both here. are you expecting tonight to be something special, will it be extraordinary in every way, what do you think? >> i think it'll be historic that we have our first female democratic nominee up on stage for a presidential debate. new yorker against new yorker for one thing, however, what people are hoping for all the

fireworks was the clinton campaign does not want fireworks and jennifer mention today reporters today. lou: probably means that's what they really want. [laughter] >> you know, she does want to make sure that hillary clinton sort of keeps things steady because that's how she wants the candidate to be presented as steady and hillary clinton wants to be presented as steadily. >> she needs to have fireworks because she needs to change the trajectory of the polls right now. these the incumbent, but she's hurting in the polls right now and so he kind of needs to do something to change the direction of the way things are going right now. i personally am going to be disappointed if donald trump comes out in any way other than listening to we are the champions and smoke machines and lights going everywhere. that was the republican convention was such a disappointment to me, we had the

one great scene and when he came out to give speech, he would come out riding an elephant and none of that happened. i want fireworks. lou: which of these two is more presidential, mark cuban sitting center row for the democratic nominee or mark, the navy seal one of the four who road 13 hours or karen vaughn who is a gold star mother sitting with donald trump's family and friends. which is the most presidential because the liberal media tells me about being presidential, which of the two is most presidential? >> one of them is about deadly serious issues and the other is mocking twitter joker. >> this is more like a sporting event more than anything else. as far as mark cuban is concerned. he just told reporters he never

had a front seat to begin with. lou: he told me that too. mark, you need to make up a better story. [laughter] lou: i guess it's true. are you taking him at his word? an offer had to be extended and the offer doesn't seem particularly presidential but who am i to say my name is dobbs. >> but that's what we have seen throughout the entire election. people are trying to outdo trump and always fail. she's going to try to whatever, you know, troll him or do whatever, she's not going to succeed and she's going to look ridiculous doing that. >> well, certainly one thing to remember when she started campaign she kept called him

dangerous donald to match up to the crooked hillary. [laughter] >> exactly. lou: carey thanks and charlie. up next the media liberal is full against donald trump, this is get to go new levels. i mean liberal media has gone crazy. we are coming right back. i don't want to live with the uncertainties of hep c. or wonder whether i should seek treatment. i am ready. because today there's harvoni. a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. harvoni is proven to cure up to 99% of patients... ...who've had no prior treatment. it transformed treatment as the first cure that's... ...one pill, once a day for 12 weeks. certain patients... ...can be cured with just 8 weeks of harvoni. harvoni is a simple treatment regimen that's been prescribed to more than a quarter of a million patients. tell yliver transplant,

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lou: the stakes are high for tonight's first debate and that is understatement without a doubt. mainstream liberal media blasting donald trump before the candidates even take the stage. new york times editorial board that endorsed hillary clinton over the weekend, i know, you're shocked, today with an editorial entitled why he should not be president. wow. and the washington post following suit with an editorial of its own entitled it's beyond debate that donald trump is unfit to be president. wow. nothing like objective journalism. joining me now host of media buzz howie kirk. even by the times in washington post standards, they seem to be in absolute lather over the prospect of donald trump now with the rating -- >> the polls.

lou: the ratings too, but anyway, the polls are just moving in the wrong direction for her and the right direction for donald trump. >> the editorial pages are entitled to say what they want. what's stun to go me, lou, are the news pages, just yesterday you had washington post as well as the los angeles times and politico all having separate news stories as if they had gotten the memos of lies and half truths that donald trump uttered in the past week. that's the level of tone that we are seeing in the candidacy. lou: not a single one of the lives cost lives in benghazi or anywhere else. not one of them was if, indeed, lied it was in public service. it's extraordinary, i have to tell you, i have this disingenuous and venomous at

worst. >> most of this, of course, has been up against trump. what is happening right now trump was entertaining show for the media because they thought hillary clinton was going to win because she's up by 10 points. now the race tied. donald trump has a shot on what he does here in hofstra at winning the white house and you can see the level of concerned among some journalist, not all, it is their mission to go after trump and to call that journalism. lou: the howeling, fast-checking nonsense. fact-checking nonsense. the last time we had a dose of it was with -- i'm sorry candy crowely at cnn, i keep wanting to lose one of the n's. she intervened in a presidential

debate and helped determined the outcome of that. i think many can argue and perhaps accurately, we don't want to see that nonsense again, do we do? >> we don't because it's dangerous for lester holt and other moderators and appear that is they are debating either donald trump or hillary clinton. a lot of this push for moderators have to call out the lies is driven by the notion that trump is less than truthful candidate and they want lester holt not just to fact-check him but traditionally going back to bob larry, that has not been the role in a general election debate. lou: it hasn't been the role. also attempt to create this equivalency, they now have new ownership, ownership that's investing in a new prospective and in a new way to do business.

six stories day after day after day attacking donald trump directly and giving hillary clinton a pass. she overheated 15 days ago. she didn't have a collapse on the way to a vehicle on the september 11th ceremony. this is nonsense what we are seeing. >> i think are legitimate reporting. i would like to see more reporting on the clinton foundation. it's not that each and every reporter is unfair but when you get the volume going to one side, trump drives ratings, he's more interesting to cover, then you have imbalances. lou: they don't kick sick puppies and he is the real deal. the trump foundation settled $50,000, let's see what they settle for in the clinton foundation if they ever begin the investigation.

thanks for being was. we appreciate it. it's going to be quite an evening and please stay tune for our special coverage of the first presidential debate from hofstra university here in new york. >> live from hofstra university in new york, this is fox business' network special coverage of the first presidential debate. here is niel cavuto. neil: all right, you didn't hear from me but there's a presidential debate tonight and less than one hour away. the first time a man and a woman have been on the stage to decide who will lead this nation and there thereby becoming the most powerful person on the planet. you heard the expectations again and again, you heard how many people are supposed to be tune to this debate tonight. maybe in excess of 100 million and competing with football game. bottom line is if it will