244 billion in assets they handle. russell investment group. steve wood. market lower for the second straight day. [closing bell rings] market surprises we can live without these, right, david and melissa? david: indeed we can. stocks ending the day in the red for the second day in a row, down half a percentage point. fighting to end off session lows. i'm david asman. melissa: i'm melissa francis. this is "after the bell." we've got you covered on all the market movers but first here is what else we have for you this hour. the vp picks are set to duke it out hours from now. it is the one and only opportunity to face off in front of america. mike pence and tim kaine looking to make a big impression with the election five weeks away. hurricane matthew pounding haiti as a powerful category 4 storm. the east coast on high alert as the storm heads north. we have at live update from florida where preparations are underway. illegal use of taxpayer

money linked to guantanamo bay detainees. why the white house is now coming under fire. hmmm. david: all those stories in just a moment. first back to the markets. the dow sinking for the second day in the month with 3m, dupont and verizon among the biggest drags. gold, if you're a gold bug like me you're taking a dive as well. trader scott shellady is watching all the action on commodities from the cme. lori rothman on the stocks at the nyse. lori, what is driving stocks lower today? >> boy, a lot of up and down, david. we end the day with losses. it was a global story. investors here in the u.s. are looking across the pond and concerned about, renewed concerns if you will about the impact "brexit" will have the on the uk economy and obviously contagion effect here in the u.s. as you know theresa may, put the deadline, the march date to put process for the uk to exit the eu imf basically saying

it expects u.s. inflation to rise faster than the fed does. so that puts pressure on all the hawks out there to have u.s. interest rates go up. we're talking about december meeting. fed funds futures are looking at 63% likelihood rates here in the u.s. will in fact go up before the end of the year. those are some big themes on the floor here today. the pound is a huge story. i mentioned "brexit" woes. that thrashed the pound, the pound versus greenback, 31-year low. look at that, that was something else, 1.27. talk about sears, this is interesting story. kind of a roller-coaster. at one point sears shares were up 20% that craftsman tool brand was looking at bidders, out of hong kong but sears says it has no plan to close the lower

performing kmart stores. back to you. melissa: lori, thank you for that. scott, the british pound pummeled today as lori mentioned. good news for tourists headed to the uk i guess but bad news for investors in gold, suffering the biggest one-day percent loss in nearly three years, yikes! >> yeah the nerves were there when we came in and saw the pound sliding as it did. we went through the 100 day moving average. we went through the $1300 level. we've been between 1300 and 1375 for a while. during this volatile time gold has been a beneficiary. when we started to see it weaken go through 1300 in the 100 day moving average everybody hits the sell button. we ended 3% lower. hard to build a base if we keep talking about rate hikes. rate hikes will make the dollar stronger. that is another reason why gold suffered today. melissa: you have to believe the fed is really going to do it. i don't know. we'll see.

scott, thank you. david: just a little hesitant. melissa: right, exactly. david. david: taking on the iphone. that is a big target. google unveiling pixel, which is its first-ever smartphone today during the biggest product launch in history. bring in today's panel to talk about this. dan henninger from "the wall street journal" and lenore hawkins from theme mattic research. lenore, maybe the name, pixel or not dramatic name or basically the same price as iphone. i don't see the phone going anywhere, do you? >> it will be tough because google has to reinvent itself, it defined itself with the ubiquitous search box. it has to march into something new. it has incredible search technology combining with artificial intelligence. david: that's true. >> they need to make that accessible everywhere. what is the one thing you have everywhere? you have your phone. david: dan, google is also

everywhere. isn't there some way they can capitalize on this new product to begin a whole new line of other products. >> that is their hope, connect to internet of things. big artificial intelligence components of this phone. consumers are so fickle today. hard to imagine taking on apple and indeed samsung. david: sure. >> throw something against the wall to see if it sticks. did the world need another headphone manufacturer? dr. dre creates beats. look what became of that. i think google has resources to take the risk. melissa: bill clinton campaigning in michigan telling supporters how he really feels about obamacare. listen. >> so you've this crazy system where all of sudden 25 million more people have health care then the people out there busting at 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. it is craziest thing in the world. david: whoops. melissa: it is the craziest thing in the world.

it is like he just kind of bumbled into what is actually going on. but for him to say it out loud, dan henninger, amazing. >> i have a little bit of a different take. i think bill clinton is crazy like a fox. these public state exchanges are collapsing all over country. most recent in maryland, tennessee, minnesota is in a state of emergency. people's premiums are going up and they're getting them in the mail. i think bill clinton is trying to inknock late his wife from obamacare. it is bloodless you but it is politics. melissa: i said that earlier today, and a bunch of people laughed at me. meantime we found him walking it back. i think we have sound on that, right? listen to this. >> look affordable care act did a world of good, and 5efforts to repeal it by the republicans were a terrible mistake. we for the first time in our history at least providing insurance to more than 100% of our people. melissa: lenore, i thought the

exact same thing dan did. they were trying to have their cake and eat it too and clintons could be on both sides of the issue. he is saying it did a world of good. you know repeals are terrible mistake. 90% of our people have insurance. what do you think happened here? >> well i would say this he probably trying to give hillary the appearance of not being part of the establishment. that she can question the establishment because that has really been all over the world, a big push against those who are in power. hillary, tough for her to identify herself as anything but that very establishment that she says she is going to shake up. this may be a way to characterize her as coming in and doing something different. melissa: yeah. interesting stuff. david. david: i think you're right. melissa: yeah. david: gun sales are continuing to climb heading into the 17th consecutive monthly record and increasing 27% year-over-year. dan, there is something going on. i would suggest that the "wall street journal" which had a piece today about how challenging cops are finding it in las vegas but it could have

been in dozen other cities in the united states to deal with the murder rate increasing 10.8% nationally. that is why i think a lot of people are buying guns. >> i think you're on to something there, david. there were two million background checks in september alone. up to 20 million this year. and we have no gun control laws? i think knock-on effect from the ferguson effect. people are reading that police are pulling back, afraid to enforce the law especially in heavily crimed areas and i think as a result of that, indeed terrorism, san bernanadino, orlando, people are beginning to say, i may have to protect myself. thus the gun sales going up. david: lenore, people have to defend themselves but there is also a fear, i believe, because hillary's been so vehement about the fact she would tighten gun control laws that they may not be able to buy a gun if she becomes president? >> yeah, every time we see a massive incident involving a gun, gun sales always spike because of that very fear.

but you turn on the news, any week, and you have a good reason to believe that those all the way from congress to those policemen in your local town don't really have your back the way we once had a perception that they did. david: right. >> we used to believe the police were there to protect us. when you turn on the news you're not so sure. david: by the way, do you think the time to buy these gun stocks is over, lenore? because they have had a huge run-up over the past couple years. >> they had a big run-up, i think if hillary wins they have a lot more room to go. david: dan, lenore, good to see you both. thank you very much. melissa. melissa: earnings alert right now. micron technology out with fourth quarter results. the company reporting a beat on both results and revenue. the tech company citing improving market conditions in terms of both slowing supply growth and improving demand for the gain. david: we have more breaking news. florida governor rick scott eaking just moments ago, giving an update on the life-threatening potential of hurricane matthew. ta

>> protecting life is our number one concern. if matthew directly impacts florida there will be massive destruction we haven't seen in years. david: okay. it is going right up the east coast, the carolinas, eventually later next week up to the northeast as well. we'll have more details on storms coming up. meanwhile a secret and illegal use of our tax dollars. why the white house is coming under fire now for actions involving the remaining gitmo detainees. hmmm? melissa: brilliant business move or abuse of the system? donald trump trying to turn his tax controversy into a positive advantage for the presidency. art laffer, former reagan economic advisor, giving us his take. david: tonight, is the one and only opportunity for the vice-presidential nominees to face off. you don't want to miss it folks. both kaine and pence say they are eager and ready. those are the guys running for vice president. we'll take you live to farmville, virginia, for what to

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issues. as for senator tim kaine, virginia native, in addition to a senator here, was governor at one point. after he came here he went over to a local museum, the moaten museum where there was a student walk out became part of the brown v. board of education case. he spent time there. speaking to clinton campaign officials they're quite confident they tell us about tonight. they think the real story isow can mike pence, donald trump's running mate, change the narrative of this race? they think pressure is squarely on his shoulders to do that. now in terms of pence, he did also complete his walk-through here in longwood university. the campaign is saying what he is doing what people do on a normal day. he has been working out, eating, spending time with family, that kind of thing. what he does after the debate tonight, is telling in some ways as pence embarks on a four-state bus tour. you can tell where the campaign thinks importance will be, virginia. of course where the debate is.

mike pence and live tweeting the debate at 8:30 p.m. eastern. enjoy. exclamation point. david: hear the grown from melissa and me. i don't know about that. connell, thank you very much. melissa. melissa: entertainment perspective i love the idea but other than that. guy benson, town hall political editor and fox news contributor. angela morvito stand united.org campaign organizer and steve murphy is democratic strategist. guy benson, let me start with you, i'm still reeling from the idea trump will be live tweeting

the debate. forgive me there. let me ask you, saying it is up to pence to turn the page and change the narrative right now. still lingering on some of the bad taste from the last debate with donald trump. how can he possibly do that. >> i don't think he can. i don't think either of these guys will change the trajectory of the race tonight, even with a major gaffe or a big event unless donald trump like shows up on stage or something crazy. this is going to be i think most people are expecting -- melissa: can they change the conversation, guy? i don't think they will change the polls or change anyone's minds necessarily. they can at least change the headlines? we've been stuck in the same cycle of the debate, taxes, could he do that? >> yeah. i hope so but your point coming into the segment you were laughing about, many people will be more interested in what trump is tweeting than what either man is saying on stage. i hope they have substantive discussion, pence being former congressman and current governor. kaine being member of the senate. they're sort of normal

politicians who might bring a sense of normalcy to this race that has been anything but. melissa: angela, i was saying like we've been binging on halloween candy here for weeks, just eating our chocolate. i'm starting to feel like some broccoli. i could take a little substance in this debate tonight? am i alone in that feeling? am i the only one who likes broccoli? >> absolutely not. millions of americans, myself included, who are ready for some of that metaphorical broccoli tonight. you know the job for both of these vice-presidential candidates is to be the refresher. they're there to bring something new to both of these campaigns. everyone knew who donald trump was a year or two years ago. same with hillary clinton. she has been well-known longer than i have been alive, really i think they both have but we don't know pence and kaine nearly as well. so this is their, their big break, to state their case and to show american voters what it is exactly their unique

contributions are. melissa: steve, there is a difference between the vice president's politics and politics of the top of the ticket. as they go out there tonight, is it their responsibility to represent sort of the top of the ticket and what they believe as a group or are they out there as individuals defending their records and espousing their own beliefs? what is the better strategy? what do you think we'll see? >> i think it will all almost be about the top of the ticket. it may not be one of the stratgist by either of the candidates totally but with the questions asked and narrative established by hillary clinton and donald trump in the follow-up eight days ago, i think it is mostly going to be about donald trump not paying his taxes while he was stiffing the little guys when he declared bankruptcy. and i you think it will be about him and his sexist statements. that will get pushed into the debate by tim kaine and to be fair, to be fair, mike pence will push trump viewpoint. melissa: nothing about emails? nothing about all of the issues

people on the other side thought they missed last time around, do you think that mike pence will bring up, you know the emails, the pay for play, the foundation, the constant you know, sort of cheating and shenanigans and everything else that always surrounds the clintons? >> i do. because he is seasoned politician. he is pretty good communicator. he was radio talk show host earlier in his career. he will have many so of facts at his disposal, more of a command of the fact than donald trump does. he will work that in. he will talk about his record as governor of indiana. pretty good record to tout. keep in mind donald trump is 70. hillary clinton will being 69. they talk about one heartbeat away, something to be said both of gentlemen saying i might be the president. here is what i bring to the table. i can be president. melissa: great point. guys, thank you. david: several great points. an emotional debate among veterans. mainstream media is beating up on donald trump for their interpretations what he said

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standing by in miami beach, florida, on details where matthew is expected to go next. steve? >> melissa, still some details about the destruction that took place this morning in haiti as the eye of that storm, a category 4 with 145 mile-an-hour winds passed over southwestern tip, probably country least able to handle the disaster. unicef saying it could be another humanitarian disaster. interim president saying he is not sure how many dead from the storm. as it moves forward we've seen dramatic moves in south carolina. the governor saying she intends to move one million people 100 miles inland. the lane changes are going to be reversed as of tomorrow afternoon. the national guard will assist. doesn't mean the hurricane will hit there, but dramatic move to potentially save lives in south carolina. here in florida also, state of emergency. tropical storm watches as well as hurricane watches along florida's east coast.

a lot of people new to the state have not been through hurricanes before. governor warning potential first case snare -- worst-case scenario and veterans of hurricanes stocking up on bottled water, gasoline and heading west as quickly as they can. melissa, back to you. melissa: worrisome stuff. steve harrigan, thank you. david: the u.s. navy is making preparations to get three norfolk-based ships to help with hurricane matthew relief in caribbean. uss george washington, amphibious transport ship and a uss comfort the hospital ship, will make their way there. 2,000 marines from camp lejeune, north carolina have been told to prepare to ship out to help. melissa: as vp nominees are gearing up for their first and only debate tonight, the presidential nominees are hitting the campaign trail to gain momentum ahead of their next debate. david: there is donald trump

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melissa: as the vp nominees gear up for tonight's debate the presidential nominees on the campaign trail. clinton speaking in harrisburg, pennsylvania. we're awaiting trump rally in prescott, arizona. peter barnes is following them both today. peter, busy day for you. reporter: that's right, melissa. we have new polls out in key battleground states shows clinton doing better than trump post their debate. according to quinnepiac clinton leads trump in florida by five points, north carolina by three points. that is within the poll's margin of error. trump is beating her in ohio by five. he has been leading there quite some time. but she is beating him in pennsylvania by four. also within the margin of error. but there is a new monmouth poll also out today that has letter up by 10 in pennsylvania where she was campaigning today and is now campaigning in harrisburg. in that poll she made some big gains against trump in the last month or so among white women voters going from even with him

at the end of august, to 20 points ahead of him now. monmouth says her charges that he insults women are sticking. she did not ease up on her attack today. >> my opponent insulted miss universe. [laughter] i mean how do you get more acclaimed than that? by it wasn't good enough. said we can't take any of this seriously anymore. we need to laugh at it. we need to refute it. we need to ignore it. we need to stand up to it. reporter: as you mentioned we're now awaiting remarks from donald trump who was in colorado yesterday and this morning and now is in arizona. melissa: how do you get more acclaimed than miss universe, is that what she said? hmmm. peter, thank you. dad: many continuing criticize donald trump and his taxes trump is defending the move saying

that the system is unclear and overcomely indicated but luckily he understands it. >> the unfairness of the tax laws is unbelievable. something i've been talking about for a long time despite frankly being a big beneficiary of the laws but i'm working for you now. i'm not working for trump. [cheering] david: economist art laffer is a former reagan economic policy advisor and head of laugher associates. good to see you, art, thanks for coming. >> thank you, david. david: would donald trump get rid of the deductions that he took advantage of? >> well you would have to be a prognosticator to know whether he will do it or not. david: you're involved with the economic team. is that what you're advising? >> that is what i would advise. i'm not really involved in the economic team around him. that is larry kudlow and steve moore. he has been saying this all along. i think he is honest about it. he knows how to do it. lower rate, broader based flat tax, get rid of deductions, exclusions, loopholes.

that is the exact way to go. he is talking about that all through the primary. now i believe he will do it. it would be a great thing for the country. david: hillary clinton obviously criticizing him on this front, saying that this proves how dishonest he is, et cetera, but people forget that the base of her cash hoard, the money she and her husband and have developed over past seven or eight years from speeches and the clinton foundation and lord knows what else, she has put most of that money in these trusts. aren't trust developed to avoid estate taxes she is recommending increasing? >> yes, they totally are but let's again talk, david, the real key not what they did five years ago legally, honestly with the tax codes that existed then, the question is what will they do. donald trump will cut the corporate tax rate to 15%. hillary clinton will not do that. donald trump will cut personal income tax rate to 35%. hillary will raise the personal income tax rate.

donald trump will repeal obamacare and hillary clinton will not. i mean -- david: just on reducing the rates, art, what really needs to be done, it seems to me, and a lot of the political prognosticators say same thing, you have to it cut the deductions. >> of course. david: stop the business where 27 of the major corporations of the s&p 500 don't pay any taxes at all. that has to end. everybody has to pay a smaller percent but without the deductions, right? >> totally, totally, and it should be on value added. should not be on profits for goodness sakes. should be on use of natural resources. that is what should be value-added tax, 2, 3, 4%. that would more than match all the federal taxes from the corporate tax right now. you're completely right. we have to create growth. that growth is really needed. whether we can do total reform in the first hour, probably not. but we need to jump start it. david: art, quick question about the vice-presidential debate we're about to hear tonight. >> yes.

david: both these guys are or were governors. they have a track record when it comes stockses that. >> they do. david: governor kean gave us $4 billion to the people of virginia, $4 billion more in taxes where governor pence cut a lot of taxes. he cut the state income tax and state inheritance tax and state corporate tax rate. >> he sure did. david: do yothink that will come into play in the debate tonight? >> i sure hope so. i don't know why pence wouldn't play the tax card. he has done a great job. these vice-presidential debates out in the room here, jimmy kemp, jack's younger son. it is wonderful, exciting time to bring these issues up. as jack kemp did in everything he did, he cut taxes. he argued about taxes. he proposed it, and that's the i amsame way with mike pence. david: we miss jack. he was a nice man. >> we miss jack. what a great, june, you

remember, david, would call him the weapon. he was the guy who went out and sold and did it and understood it. david: before reagan even. we have to leave it at that, art laffer, good to see you my friend. >> thank you, david. melissa: hillary clinton speaking in harrisburg, pennsylvania, taking a hit at donald trump's taxes. that is a big surprise. >> i mean who loses money running a casino besides donald trump? i don't know that is much of a credential. but it's what he did and how he did it that is a especially concerning because he not only has taken bankruptcy numerous times in his businesses, but he has stiffed employees. i'm talking painters and plumbers and dishwashers. he has refused to pay small businesses that had a contract with him. and i have met some of these people. and i take it really personally. my dad, born up in scranton, my grandfather was a factory worker. [cheering]

melissa: all right. there you go. mainstream media attacking donald trump. critics slamming republican nominee for suggesting veterans suffering from ptsd are not strong. >> you talk about the mental health problems, when people come back from war and combat and they see things maybe, a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over and you're strong and you can handle it but a lot of people can't handle it. they see horror stories and see events you couldn't see in a movie. nobody would believe it. melissa: that was it. that was the comment he got slammed for there. our next guest was in the room. says media is completely twisting these words. retired lt. general jerry boykin, family research council vp and moderator of the event. you were in the room and heard it. you saw the reaction afterwards. what did you think? >> well i think this whole thing is a totally con strived

controversy. there was no one in the room of veterans or anyone else who believed that donald trump was calling people with ptsd weak. ask the guy that asked him the question, what he thought about it. and this young marine sergeant will tell you that he was very satisfied with trump's answer. this is totally contrived. melissa: i mean the truth of the matter is we have a huge problem in this country whether it is about ptsd or about the va, there are a lot of issues that are very important to vets. who do you think is listening to vets in this election? >> there is no question that donald trump has a passion for vets. he understands there are issues that have to be fixed, starting with the va system itself. but also, not just vets. it is the active duty military. what he pledged yesterday in this meeting with people that have spent many in cases over 30 years in the military, he pledged to restore military readiness and to be very active

in dealing with this issue of ptsd for those who have come out of the military and are suffering. he is the one, the one candidate that has made substantive pledges to help with our active duty and our veterans. melissa: if we look a lot of polls, 2016 vote preference among veterans, this doesn't include active duty obviously as you mentioned, veterans, 47% for trump, 33% for clinton. we looked up how much, when you talk about active military personnel, how much overseas ballots actually make it back with a track record has been. obviously they have to vote absentee. it is very checkered scorecard in terms of them getting their ballots in time and sending them back in time. how strong do you think the military vote will be for donald trump? are those other things i mentioned an issue? >> well, remember there has been a lot of controversy previously about just what you said, is veterans getting their absentee ballots in time for them to actually count.

if they in fact follow through with what they're supposed to do, and get those ballots to the veterans i think you will see an overwhelmingly positive response for donald trump. i think that he will come out way ahead of hillary clinton, for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is what we just talked about. melissa: general, thank thank y. thank you for your time today. we appreciate it. >> thank you. david: that was good stuff. hillary said, who run as casino that goes bust. melissa: all of atlantic city. david: atlantic city is about to go into receivership because they had so many casinos that went bust. that is the answer to the question. maybe donald got out just in time. relocation of gaun dawn mow bay press percent -- guantanamo bay prisoners on your dime. how the prisoners are benefiting from your tax dollars coming up. russell with missile system in syria's borders. why this move is changing the chess match in the middle east.

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david: moscow confirming that russia is deploying a first anti-missile system in syria for the first time ever. it is suspending talks with russia focused on maintaining cessation of hostilities that has collapsed. conor powell is standing by in jerusalem. conor, doesn't this show

expanding influence of russia in the middle east? reporter: no doubt about it. secretary of state john kerry say though that the u.s. is still fully committed to finding a diplomatic solution for the violence in syria but the obama administration cutting these direct ties with russia after months of negotiations. now, washington blaming moscow for banning diplomatic talks while ramping up airstrikes in syria. this is what we've seen for last few months as escalation of this air campaign. the u.s. accusing russia, carrying out a really brutal air campaign against rebels in the syrian city of aleppo in the last few weeks. in response to cutting of direct talks between the u.s. and russia, moskow announced it is withdrawing from a bilateral nuclear arms agreement with the united states. the violence is intensifying. observers say 1400 people have been killed or wounded since the

u.s.-rush brokered cease-fire collapsed. they are making significant gains around aleppo in recent weeks, hammering the pro-western rebels there in the last few weeks. we're seeing a significant increase in the amount of fighting in aleppo but more importantly in the gains being made by pro-assad forces this is largely because the russian airstrikes are just pounding rebels there. now all of this fighting comes as russia significantly upping its military hardware in syria. they are now moving the sa-23 eight tore, antiaircraft missiles there, a sign of russia's deep impact in syria. david: could put some of our pilots in greater risk. conor powell, thank you very much. melissa. melissa: secret illegal use of our tax dollars. the obama administration under fire for reportedly ordering the pentagon to use taxpayer money in official search of possible

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strategist and national director of african-american engagement. good to see you, ashley. from the last presidential debate it was absolutely clear hillary's strategy was to bait donald trump by focusing on himself, getting him to react to himself with this whole miss universe thing in particular. i'm just wondering if tim kaine will surround donald trump when we buildout this administration?

that is what . >> i think every opportunity he will bring up why donald trump president of the united states. every time tim kaine tries to attack him, he will respond back in kind. that is what you hear on display today, our best surrogate, our vice-presidential nominee. david: both the guys are very religious, something you don't hear donald trump talk about very often.

tim kaine was down in honduras working with a lot of pretty revolutionary folks, including a couple of priests who got involved in the liberation theology movement. are we going back there? is that where mike pence is going to go or is that kind of about policy and substance and what the american people want to hear us talk about is the future. but if tim kaine comes out swinging like we expect the democrats to do and have a nasty debate, then, i fully assume that that governor pence will respond in kind and go back on governor kaine's records as well. david: we could get substance and fireworks. both would be fine. ashley. >> good to see you. >> one night only. vp candidates are looking to make history. will it stand the test of time? i'm claudine and i quit smoking with chantix.

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>> between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> i almost resent vice president bush your patronizing attitude that you have to teach me about foreign policy. >> i have as much experience in the congress as jack kennedy did. >> i served with jack kennedy, i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> that was really uncalled for, senator. >> nice to meet you. can i call you joe? >> who am i? why am i here? [laughter] >> i mean except for the last one, it seems tame in today's terms, doesn't it? >> the last was admiral stockdale, the vp guy with ross perot in 1992, some people say that was unfair, he was misinterpreted. it didn't go down well.

>> he was trying to say nobody recognized him. >> who am i? where am i? >> that is one of the most famous lines with you, sir, are no jack kennedy of recent times. you look back at it, it seems so tame compared to the mudslinging this time around. >> we got it all covered. you don't have to change a channel between now and the time it begins. >> there you go. stay tuned for fox business for complete analysis of tonight's debate, kicks off at 7:00 p.m. eastern with "lou dobbs tonight" and neil cavuto at 8:00 p.m. i'm going to watch, i feel like we have been binging on halloween candy. this is our chance to have vitamins, little broccoli, something more delicious than that. nobody likes this analogy. >> i was watching "house of cards" but i stopped it, what's happening now is far more intriguing, dramatic, interesting than anything netflix could cook up. we're awaiting donald trump. he's going to be talking about

all of the issues in the next couple of minutes. we will present that to you live right here on fbn on "risk & reward" as soon as donald trump is setting up there. >> a live tweet which is a questionable decision at best. >> that does it for us, "risk & reward" starts right now. >> i'm calm, and things worked out the way they're supposed to. i'm calm. see you down there. >> i'm looking forward to it. i can't wait. hillary clinton's record on foreign affairs alone could take up the whole 90 minutes, and it wouldn't be a pretty picture. liz: we're less than four hours away from the biggest night from the vice presidential nominees, this is "risk & reward," i'm elizabeth macdonald in for deirdre bolton. fox business all over it with coverage at 7:00 p.m. eastern time with lou dobbs. first, this hour, we are also monitoring a trump rally in prescott valley, arizona. donald trump says he will make comments on the debate tonight.