which eventually will carry human beings into space. this is a test run obviously. it will successfully returned to earth on parachutes. very successful all the way around. just the way we like to see neil cavuto take off on his show, which begins now. >> you know, stuart, i can't appear a few minutes ago in an always catching your fine shows in getting me ready and all of that. i am seeing this rocket that's enough that i said he's done it. he saw hillary clinton leading. i'm glad you're still on earth. for a while anyways. i really was worried. you do have options now. thank you, my friend. we have a lot coming up including what is going on. that is what is happening now with this hurricane matthew. right now it is a category three, category four to 80.

governor rick scott is already declared a state of emergency. we are expected to hear from the president of the united states says he is briefed by fema. the past two this is anyone's guess but we are worried about right now is that the very least it hangs around. there was a lot of damage even if it doesn't get beyond category three, which in and of itself is pretty bad. he's on the phone right now. joseph, what are you looking out with this story? >> well, i think this is the strongest hurricane ever to cross the kennedy space goes in there. it is very tough for these things to happen this out these consumer north of west palm beach. you see the florida coast run scored, northwest and usually most storms are moving north. even if they are moving north, northwest, the effect of the coastline shape like that tried to keep them off shore.

the kennedy space center, cape canaveral. but you may have is an intensified category three, category four hurricane coming right as noise word with hurricane force winds from the north and northwest. 80, 100-mile an hour of west palm beach, jupiter. but the focus of what could be a major hurricane in this is unprecedented for a southeast. it may be unprecedented. there is the big target and then it continues up along the post although way to jksville and then we think what will happen around saturday afternoon and sunday as we will faithfully out to sea. because of the overall pattern, it may get locked up the stuff that they made with three, four, five days. wait a minute, how did that happen? we have seen hurricanes blog and i'm referencing storms people in

florida may remember that turn back to the southwest. you can get some crazy tracks with these storms than it has to do with the overall patterns. it just sets itself in a certain times. this is a very dangerous situation. they cut out their worst hurricane on record. andrew came over that area, but when it comes from that used for the northeast, what happens is you get a northeast wind in the islands to the northeast can block some of the storm surge. this is getting it directly from the southeast and south east. there may be an unprecedented surge on nassau coming into those islands. it's a very, very bad situation all the way from there to the space coast, perhaps all the way to savanna. neil: any chance that just avoid the east coast?

>> the northeast coast i don't think we have anything to worry about. if we have a problem in new england after he dances around the south atlantic coast. but i think the phenomenally warm water temperatures, remember preseason we were talking about that and the danger this year was that anything that got in close would try to do something like this. even that was only a category one, he waited until it got all the way over in the gulf. there is a very similar is torn on this track back in 1954 that moved much, much faster. hurricane hazel in mid-october 54. the category four storm. there's certain types of pattern. we are close to where we were in the 1950s as far as where the warm water is backed up to the united states and even though you see a lot of storms down the middle of nowhere, the problem is the big hitters last year can

develop close to the nation and we are going to have to put up with this another few years before we turn the cycle back around and go into the 60s and 70s. neil: thanks for the update. i was like historical is as well. any new developments on the storm will keep you posted. florida power & light isn't taking any chances. the utility of the sunshine state hiring 4000 workers just in case. in case you thought that just because the two debaters last night was sitting at a table that this would be a more calming effect and an opportunity for a more congenial debate, well forget it. take a look. >> you are a donald trump. let me talk about this. >> it is still in my time. >> is in this for discussion? >> let me interrupt you. i finish my sentence if i can. the clinton foundation accepted foreign contributions from

foreign governments and foreign donors while she was secretary of state. she had a private server. the pay to play process. >> governor pence doesn't think the world's going so well that is going to say it everybody. >> you? >> they both needed a hug. just saying. they saved a lot of time by talking over one another. the reaction the day after. what are you hearing? >> a long campaign season. two storylines on this day. surprisingly one from the democrats, one from republicans being pushed out of the vice presidential debate. as you might imagine, they are hammering home all of the interruption and you just laid a small portion of it they are. tim came consistently and early in that debate last night interrupting my pants. mike pence joined in the line but it was kane throughout.

first thing this morning the rnc already had a video put out in the e-mail boxes of reporters that put together every single one of those interjections. >> that is incorrect. >> the economic recovery since the great depression >> improved dramatically in 2014. turning to video some four and a half minutes long. donald trump treating this morning the following. the constant interruptions last night by tim kaine should not have been allowed. mike pence won big. in the meantime, the headline from the democrats is based. they say that parents could not and would not back his running mates. many of the controversial statements and policy positions that trump has made over the last month or so. pushing of several editorials

from "the new york times." quoting from the post that democrats are seen. repeatedly over the course of tuesday's debate, mr. kane explained and in a way he was right. d. l., back to you. >> other officials ahead of hurricane matthew. >> is my direction, fema has been on the ground in florida, georgia, south carolina and north carolina working with state and local officials to prepare for the storm. we've always got the response team ready to help communities in the region. i want to emphasize to the public this is a serious storm. it has 3880 with devastating effects. it is now in the process of moving through the bahamas because it's not going to be hitting enough land, it is going

to be building strength on its way to florida. we anticipate tomorrow morning it will already be gained to have significant effects in florida to strength in and move on up the coast during the course of the day. so i want to make sure that everybody is paying attention to your local officials. if there is an evacuation order in your community, you need to take it seriously. we anticipate that not only is there still a chance that the port of the storm strikes florida and some of the states further north, that even that you don't get the full force of the hurricane, we are still going to be seen tropical force winds, potential for storm surge and all of that could have a devastating effect.

so everybody needs to be paying attention and following the instructions of your local officials. if you get an evacuation order, just remember you can always rebuild. you can always repair property. you cannot restore life if it is lost and we want to make sure that we minimize any possible loss of life or risk. two people in these areas. i also want to make sure that we say thanks to the folks at the national weather service for the outstanding work that they are doing here. craig coming case folks aren't aware, comes from florida, is familiar with it dangers of hurricanes and it just so happens he has a family in areas affected by the storm. this is personal for him. you know he's going to be working around the clock to make sure we are preventing loss of

life and try to minimize this much is possible the impacts of the storm. this would be a serious story that we want everybody to take it seriously as well. even as we prepare for the hurricane here at home, i want us to keep in mind that cd, one of the poorest countries in the world already suffering from previous disasters has been hit really hard by this storm and we anticipate that they are going to need substantial help. there may be similar needs in places like the bahamas. so i would ask that people who are willing to contribute and willing to help to visit the center for international disaster information. the website is cid i got bored. cidi.board. find out how you can make life easier for people who didn't

have a lot to begin with and now are really getting hammered by this storm. last point for everybody in the potentially affected state, even as you are waiting to get instructions from your local officials, now is the time for you to prepare in the event that you have to evacuate, even if you don't have to evacuate, there is not an evacuation order. it don't make sense for you to figure out what kind of plan you have, what kind of preparations and supplies you have in a few need help trying to figure that out, go to ready.because that will give you some really clear instructions about how to make sure that you are securing your property and keeping your family safe, which is obviously a priority for all of us. this is something to take seriously. we hope for the best, but we want to prepare for the worst.

i would urge everybody in the affected states of florida, georgia, south carolina, north carolina to pay very close attention to your local officials and the broadcast as it becomes true over the next several hours. thank you very much, everybody. >> the white house -- started gaining a surprise at how big this thing is, you heard that it is the biggest storm. that is by just its size, how many miles it takes that. we've seen in our neck of the word, the northern hemisphere 10 years even though its category three storm. nothing to shake off. they've declared a state of emergency for hurricane matthew. south carolina in the airline as well in the state of florida already hiring ended and forth asdividual is to prepare

for what could be serious energy disruptions in that state. again, no one is taking any chances ahead of this barreling through the caribbean as we speak. potentially along the east coast. too soon to say. not taking any chances. now to a political storm. last night the vp debate, that the issue with donald trump and its taxes. give kudos to senator kaine about creative ways to keep mentioning them. i want to take up with judge andrew napolitano. first, this exchange. >> his tax returns showed he went through a very difficult time, but he used the tax code the way it's supposed to be yesterday did it brilliantly. he has created a business is worth williams of dollars. neil: for one thing, donald trump's business survives today.

when he was on the verge of bankruptcy, he wouldn't be around. that is not the point. the point is whether anything illegal is being done. all things legal, andrew napolitano. what do you think? >> well, i haven't seen his tax returns in order to respond definitively a have to look at the 20 years of tax returns for 1995-2005. however, it appears on the snippets we saw it in the analysis by "the new york times" that what he did was perfectly appropriate and consistent with the 70,000 page tax code. i'm now including as well. that was designed for people like him to accumulate all of his losses in one year and spread them out against income in the preceding years. there's nothing unusual or

untoward about that at all. neil: extra allowances for those in real estate. >> i take issue with those who call it brilliant. it is a well-known rule and it would be done for him not to do it. call it whatever you want. he knows how to get the most out of his dollars since he is right. his job is to minimize like all of our jobs are to minimize exposure to the tax man. what i found interesting in the follow-up to the article we learned about a series of e-mails between translators and accountants in "the new york times." the e-mails proceed last sunday night, last monday night's debate. that means when hillary clinton was saying during the debate and he probably didn't pay any taxes, he knew what the times had an e-mail at the times was about to come out with and he chose to mention that.

neil: you think he cheated? >> i don't know. it would've been interesting if she had known about it because he obviously knew about it and made a conscious decision not to preempt "the new york times" and not to address it. so the issue of did he pay taxes from 1995-2015 has not been in third because quite critically this is going to sound fantastic, but it's true mathematically. a billion dollars loss carry forward 15 years have not erased all of his income. last year he sat through a $700 million. so it is more than likely that he did pay some taxes. we don't know the amounts that we don't know in what year. neil: when business is have a big loss, his is more noticeable because he says his name. whether it is though, apple, caterpillar, they had similar

larger losses. they continue to be a thriving enterprise. if we judge them as they snap shot of the reported size, we think that they were. >> congress writes the laws in congress as here's a menu of themes you can use. pick the one -- neil: they have opportunities to address this issue. >> if kept it in there. neil: all right, judge. thank you. meanwhile the western examiner sara westward was following this back-and-forth and it invariably raises the question commences in the data when the number twos are going at it and let say in this case the republican candidate seems to fare better than their republican counterparts at the top of the ticket last week. well at least arrest t sde? what do you think? >> it does provide a much-needed

reset. with tax returns but for the miss universe controversy for the trump campaign needed a break so they could get back on message. i'm not sure of the performance will be a deciding factor, but it would -- what it does do is blunt. after the first debate it is crucial for stabilizing this race in changing the conversation with roy candidates head into the second presidential debate. neil: smart folks like you always remind me they don't make a big difference, but i think in this case, again it depends who you talk to, but they did arguably better than trump did in his debate. that could be in the second debate.

>> he doesn't have that knowledge to be commander-in-chief and to counter that, trump is argued he can put the best people in his cabinet. penn's strength speaks to trump's ability to select the right people for his cabinet and that could boost his credibility among conservatives who are still skeptical at holding out in the gop nominee. neil: good stuff all. sarah, thank you for your patience with the breaking news. we are watching right now, governor pence in virginia right now. he is continuing to follow up on this. normally when a notice in candidates who are deemed to have a pretty good debate if they get a little extra spring in their step. hillary clinton had at last week. we will have more. the pursuit of healthier.

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>> that mexican thing again. there are criminal aliens in this country who have come into this country illegally were perpetrating. many of them are good people. if you want me to go there, i will go there. neil: that particular back-and-forth about immigration illegal and otherwise. it's great to have you back. >> hi, how are you? neil: i am fine. but you make of the vice presidential candidates on this issue of immigration and how mike pence was trying to dial back some of the more incendiary comments to donald trump and got going again that donald trump never said that all mexicans were and murderers. >> first of all, tim kaine did a good job of illustrating why

america is comfortable with and be in a heartbeat away from the american presidency. my hat off to governor pence. frankly, i wouldn't be comfortable with anybody be in a heartbeat away from a donald trump presidency. it could be superman himself and i wouldn't be comfortable with him being a heartbeat away from a donald trump presidency. donald trump will be catastrophic to the american economy. he will be -- he will be an absolute catastrophe for american small businesses. you know, i agree with some that say when he claims to have had a brilliant and claiming and taking a bankruptcy. i take great offense to god. to say that you are brilliant when he took a bankruptcy is to forget to tell people that thousands of american small businesses were not paid. they were left holding the bag. thousands of american workers were let go. they were fired. they were laid off

at the same time, donald chung continued to live in an ivory tower. neil: he feels the same way about other companies to that had similar if not bigger losses. apple comes to mind. caterpillar comes to mind. all have a much bigger losses. if we were to give a snap judgment on their losses at the time. i want to know -- >> those companies don't go around telling people they were brilliant. they don't go around bragging about the effect they take advantage of the american people, american small business and workers. neil: i heard a lot of ceos say when the times forgot how pressing it anywhere and all that. but your point on your fear of donald trump and why you want to see that the way things are, the way we handle immigration right now in this country is perfectly fine with you? >> know, to be clear, the immigration system in this

country is broken. but you don't fix it by demonizing an entire race. you don't fix it by taking stereotypes. you don't fix it by fear mongering. i have to say that last night a young writer for "politico," opining that what he saw it in the between governor pence and senator kaine was exactly the debate they should be happening between hillary clinton and donald trump. both of them have great points. they both articulated and respectful of each other. i agree much more fun than the other. the fact of the matter was a real debate and that's what i would like to see happen between donald trump and hillary clinton. a real debate about immigration. donald trump of his campaign. it's time he starts talking about it in a much more strategic fashion. neil: we shall see. thank you very much.

another issue set to come up in this debate is the role of the moderator. did she do too much or too little? [inaudible conversations] >> governor, governor -- i'd like to ask you about -- >> weight of the cybersecurity -- >> gentlemen, please. [inaudible conversations] >> your two minutes are up, governor. neil: i was watching not at the time and was thinking shut up. but it was a late night. what did you think? >> i think my hair hurt just from having to hear that. i i think also be kept track of data and tim kaine interrupted the moderator or mike pence 71 times. think about that. donald trump had 51 interruptions in his debates at 10 k. and certainly one of the most annoying word.

speaking of the moderator, all a no-space. we have had 180 minutes of debate. that is three nfl football games and not once has there been a pointed question on hillary clinton's two vulnerabilities. e-mail scan the weather that pertains to nine s. of classified information or multiple staffers taking the faith by the clinton foundation and the state department and the allegations of pay to play at our donations of foreign governments. we've now had two moderators for whatever reason are allergic to those two topics and they happen to be the two biggest vulnerabilities for the clinton campaign so i gave a sub six a.d. and i gave lester hola poor grade as well. in her case she showed her index is because she couldn't control the candidate making a four to shut up moment at home. neil: if they are intent on gestating their points and talking through them you are quite right the interruptions were more frequent on the part of senator kaine.

the message from the clinton camp was keep pounding taxes, keep pounding trumps inconsistencies, keep pounding the immigration thing in the racial overtones of that. you and i can argue it's in the eye of the beholder. that was the idea. too many interruptions than a moderator that interrupts the wrong person in the interactions kind of defeats the purpose of informing. >> obviously we saw from paul's last night cnn is on an online poll that showed mike pence did this debate. you are going to see almost all schilling might hence winning because he spoke more about vision and policy on the republican side while obviously mr. kaine didn't really offere n campaign on their own. as far as presentation, mike had

surprised a lot of people in chris matthews said he is a 2020 front runner if he is the vice president. i think what we saw last night was my hence not so much during the party conventions introduce himself, the last night or a 5 million people introduced themselves as a real player if the trump campaign doesn't win this election. neil: thank you very much. good seeing you again. >> thank you, neil. train to florida now getting ready for people who know a lot more about this than i are saying it is not so much the speed of the same or the fact that its category three, but that it is still going big and not going anywhere right now. an. (music playing) ♪ push it real good... (announcer vo) or you can take a joyride. bye bye, errands, we sing out loud here. siriusxm. road happy.

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>> there are really big differences based on exactly what happens. it is just because it spent the time over cuba but now it's back over the bahamas. all of the variables are favorable for it to continue to strengthen. there is no windshear or anything that will breaking it up. as it moves across the bahamas. hurricane warnings in effect and then the eastern shore here florida. by tomorrow afternoon and evening were to start to feel the impacts of the storm. you see that there. it's wins over 90 miles per hour. this is not very far off the shore. and then just hugs the

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maybe study more and having tight clear answers to your point there was a great deal of over talking that that will serve donald trump while if he does that in the next debate? >> he thought that governor pentz gave a great performance. they just share the same message. do you agree to that. that he could of been prepared more or tighten his argument a little bit more and what he did in the first 20 minutes of the debate. >> they were able to come in there. there are many issues that he can take to the format. is he looking for that. it is not always a donald

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he scored no points with any of his naysayers and critic by being so respectful to her will he entertain the nuclear option and could this get ugly. she's taken a go there she lives there already. all they do is try to make everybody held to an account he may have said many years ago mike pence have it right tonight. they argue their bringing issues that he said just months ago sometimes just weeks ago. >> we see that hillary clinton tens of millions of hard-working good americans have never done anything and then you throw on top of that the way she's spoke to the bernie sanders voters.

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the generator staff particularly is one that devastated jersey you can go wrong because the bottom mine is home depot lowes and are both great long-term buys. unless you are down trading all day long. those are the big winners. following the property and casualty insurance stocks what do you make of that? >> it takes you back to washington dc particularly when you start talking about the sort of coverage that we all pay for there's a lot of ways of gaining this. it's been a long time i think even though insurance companies took a big hit they been huge winners since then. they had been amazing winners

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neil: hurricane matthew they are preparing for right now. it doesn't hurt to prepare a state of emergency in effect. in jupiter florida right now at the very latest. let's go to fill. what we have. every one along the space coast. they appear to be taking it very seriously. everyone urging everyone to pay attention if you are going to evacuate get going now so that the highways and roadways are not jammed. take a look at the gas station

where we are. this is the senior tea. every single gas station up and down the coast today in fact some of the gas stations have already run out of fuel they had closed up shop. so that the gas stations where there still is fuel you have the backlogs of cars as everybody waited until the last day to fill up with gas. hurricane matthew still a category three but 120 miles per hour winds and it is barreling through the bahamas right now. it is slow going. it is expected to see strength. the space coast in particular appears to be expecting direct hits. that will be the cies of melbourne cocoa beach

mandatory evacuation on the barrier islands it begins at 3:00 today. president obama urging everyone all up and down the entirety of the u.s. east coast to pay attention to the storm into not take it lightly. >> even as you're waiting to get instructions now's is the time for you to prepare in the the event that you have to evacuate. even if you don't have to evacuate it still makes fence --dash makes sense for you to figure out what can a plan do you have. matthew slammed into the western coast of haiti yesterday as a monster category four hurricane drenching parts of the island. this is of course the poorest country in the western hemisphere. at least a dozen people are reported dead in the islands more are still missing so that

death count could get higher. the seed right now scene right now is people are preparing to evacuate from the further up the coast you go the more serious this appears to be. >> back to the prodigal clinical storm we keep talking about. one called a reagan moment. you use that a whole lot and i think you're running mate used to that. what you all just heard $2 trillion and more spending more deficit and more government and if you think that is all working. you're looking at the other side of the table. >> looking directly into the camera what you think? >> i was very impressed with

his performance it's funny that you mentioned ronald reagan because there were some moments i think in the debate that reminded me of ronald reagan i think it goes back to the fact that he comes from a communications background. he is so incredibly comfortable in front of the camera it was almost provided with a broader vision of what a trump penn's administration would look like. lower taxes, lower regulation that sounds very reaganesque if you ask me. especially with the demeanor similar. there aren't any memorable lines there they go again. about the charges repeated. it certainly sent a reminder i would think if your donald trump crack open a book or two

because good things could happen what do you think? he should be spending as much time as he can. he ran the ball down the field but the one who needs to have a touchdown now is can have to be donald trump which is a town hall a debate style. i think it pays off to spend time really learning the policies and also one thing i think he did very well was taken back to hillary clinton. it was interesting because i think he looked at him in the issue would come up his response was a donald trump's tax returns. it was so smart when he would be able to pivot and donald trump did not do during the first debate. when that moderator was not interrupting him to make it

the case that hillary clinton is not qualified to be president. >> every discussion. obviously this is a one note for the clinton campaign who want to relate any single foreign policy foreign-policy or domestic policy issue to donald trump's tax returns. i don't know how much more play they can get out of it. i think they want to talk about issues and the issues and that's why he came across a very authentic. he was able to weave in the personal stories he was really able to connect to the struggles of the african -- average american voter. >> think you very much. they have a slide i want to show you. this of course is a vice

president debate. depending on the poll you read their been others that show donald trump leading there. the same group putting this together. she is still have now. but bottom line is it shows a very tight race there. if your donald trump in your scene the numbers you have to carry ohio. and you have to worry about this. as of two days ago people inside the clinton camp they actually talk to us over there sometimes they were almost ready to concede ohio conceit iowa and they think they can still when i taking pennsylvania possibly north carolina that only those two states. this shows that the debate performance coupled with the tax issue i wrote the whole

thing on it. you see my opinion on this. it is resonating just the way it came out and the fact that donald didn't release it. if he released it a year ago and be off the table. it's having an impact. >> he was finding any and every way to keep mentioning it. it sounds worse than what it is. he didn't release his taxes and they get it. how do you think he has to plead i don't know if he's capable of doing this. of time to prepare if he has a

good debate these polls might swing back to him. when you look at him and looks like people don't really want to vote for him. they don't want to vote for hillary clinton. she has momentum i know her a little bit. i don't agree with her politics. she sounds weird she will work you to death. and she's tough he is playing hardball. he's not going against sid fernandez. now, let me ask about how do you think trump feels his running mate did. >> from what i hear from the trump people this is conjured up rumors. they're telling me the whole story line that he's jealous of mike pence is baloney.

i think what he's a little annoyed about is this further highlighted and highlighted how bad he was in the first one he may have to study up and that something he doesn't like to do. if he could at least do what he was doing in the first 20 or 30 minutes. i'm sure she's a very nice woman she was no road scholar. she prepped and she studied she have a really good debate like it's a very seasoned debate. there's no reason why donald trump can do that. >> it was even. thank you my friend you are a rhodes scholar. thank you my friend. giving an update on what they could do now let's listen to

this. >> please evacuate before roads get clogged. now is the time to check on your neighbors you know the elderly you know who has disabilities who might need help. go check on them. we all had to work together to make sure that we work together through the storm. each individual mistake three days of water three days of food had a radio and batteries. once you lose power you cannot charge up your cell phone and might be the only way you can contact anybody or get information it could be catastrophic and every one of

us has to be prepared. we are preparing for the worst hoping for the best and not taking any chances. we have a lot of people who have moved to the state a lot of people don't know what to do follow your local officials. watch the weather. do not take any chances and do not wait know your evacuation plan know where you are going to go. we are focused on protecting every life everybody has a family we want every family to be intact we will continue to bright updates on this storm as it developed if you live in an area that will not be impacted i want to volunteer to assist it local communities.

i will give my next briefing at 5:15 we are heading into brevard county now. i will be glad to answer any questions we will continue monitoring this. he has been updating almost on the hour. have of hurricane matthew. now impacting category three wins. it is churning in the caribbean right now. after devastating haiti and of course right over cuba. we will keep an eye on that there's any further developments. most of georgia. they are already in a similar state. we will be up on that. the next big debate coming up. on someone who well not be

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let's get a read on all of this from the presidential candidate gary johnson. what do you make of this. of the libertarian candidate. you have a hands off attitude when you come to terror. >> government has a fundamental responsibility by certainly understanding what is transparent they are learning lessons from all of this. they have ideas about how you move forward in presenting this. that collaboration between the united states in the countries where it's happening in europe.

called a war. if we really want to do the humanitarian thing here we will bear responsibility for part of what is happening in syria of putting them in that position. not that anyone likes that idea. it saves or potentially takes out the bad guys coming in. or, that you create the safe

zones and then you create an easy target. there is unintended consequences with regard to all of the stuff. but some far we are sent to all this. >> i'm very leery that when we involve ourselves in civil wars when we become the world's policeman that never ends up with the consequences that we intend. they did not want us to stay there. another example of that is japan. part of the election was getting the president greatly diminished out of japan and that didn't happen and we made that decision. i reminded him he was not invited. they had set a said a number of interesting things

recently. more often criticizing donald trump. not so much ripping hillary clinton. they have such an l this position that if you have to draw this. i would prefer neither one. beyond the wildest dreams. he seems to have more issues i tell you what hillary clinton is can be very hawkish as president of the united states. our number one issue is the growth of government. smaller government is a good thing. the constitution exist to limit the size and scope of government. ten amendments of the

constitution that is about you're going on abc i think people view that as refreshing. you're like the boss of this ticket i'm at the top of the ticket but i'm trusting of bill wilde. you can just disagree with me every single day of the week in front of the media has long as you will tell them what my position is. we know i have any disagreements. to be scripted i think that is politics in america what a

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neil: more on hurricane matthew. the big picture read from meteorologist michael slacker who has been warning about trends and disturbances that might punctuate our fall. they're punctuating all right. what do you make of this? >> pretty serious storm, neil. it reached category 5, strongest hurricane in the atlantic since 2007. lashed western haiti and eastern cuba pretty badly. now it is headed towards the continental united states. neil: so i know these patterns and the trajectory can change a lot.

how did this one get so big so fast? >> really tropical cyclones, their fuel is the warm waters and you have bathtub-like temperatures in the mid to upper 80s throughout the central and western caribbean. it was perfect fuel for the fire for this thing to explode. neil: a number of states, three last count, florida, north carolina, south carolina, most of georgia, i should point out, states of emergency. are they overfearing this or how would you categorize what they're doing so early? >> it is better to be safe and sorry. the good news for the united states, that the western or left flank of the storm is usually less intense. bahamas getting worst side of the storms than the united states. big hubs along the southeast florida coast, miami, fort lauderdale, won't see worst rains. that will be confined to port st. louis any, savannah,

charleston, up to wilmington, north carolina. the entire southeast coast should watch this. it is category 3. i would not be surprised in the gulf stream if it goes back to category 4 over 128 miles per hour. neil: do those category 4 wind actually land? >> the good news i don't think the center or eyewall actually embeds itself inland. the storm should remain offshore but definitely tropical storm and weak hurricane category winds could hit immediate coastline areas anywhere from mid florida coast up to the carolinas. neil: all right. michael, thanks for the update. i hope to get you back here to sort of follow this thing. hopefully it didn't do a lot of stuff you say it does. michael, thank you. >> you're welcome. neil: david stockman became famous for ronald reagan taking him to the woodshed, this theory about deficits and debt was way overdone. that was then. you should hear what david

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we're up almost, over a dollar now almost 50 bucks. >> i talked to a lot of producers i know down in the gulf of mexico. they're watching the storm very carefully. they're not bringing on any new projects. they're not shutting anything down. >> it is in the gulf. >> it is on gulf side. they're watching it. doesn't mean it will impact supply, it will impact a big way. we've shut the door of the gulf of mexico. there is no way oil tankers get in there. that will reduce the supply to the east coast and new york harbor. >> what does it mean for this time. year? typically this time of year gas prices come down but if oil is rising what happens? >> they will go up. futures going up nine days in a row. there was a drawdown in gasoline supply. that will happen next week and week after. prices going higher. >> 2.23 average price. >> this year probably 10 cents higher in step.

>> good news for stocks. good news for oil prices. bad news for gas prices bottom line. >> thank you guys, thank you very much. with me former reagan budget director david stockman, author of a new book, called trump. we're all trumped here not a good or bad way if we're ignoring building deficits and piling on debt. did did any of the candidates last night address your concerns? >> i think governor pence did a superb job. he was presidential. he was eloquent. he was compelling and he was prepared. and those are words that don't come to mind when you think of donald trump and his performance last week unfortunately. neil: when you say governor pence, david, particularly maybe relieved you or soothed you on these issues that you've been targeting for years now? >> yeah, he kept saying our purpose is to shrink government. our purpose is to stop the growth of this debt monster. he mentioned it several times.

and it is worth noting once again that the national debt was 10 1/2 trillion when obama was sworn in. it is 19.6 trillion today. we have gained 9 trillion or almost double what the debt was, the debt created by the first 43 presidents in the first two centuries of our existence as a country. so is this is alarming. yet, somehow in the first debate, it hardly came up. and as we've gotten halfway into this election season we're hearing little about it. hillary is the candidate of the status quo. there is not a government program that she ever met that she didn't want to keep or expand. and shy is pretending somehow by wave another, wa washington can make economic growth happen and it is not. neil: do you buy these scores they give to each candidates budget prescriptions? because they say that

donald trump's will cause 5 trillion more than hers? i don't know if it is true or accurate. we can barely tell how the budget will look next month let alone 10 years out. what do you say the tax cuts are so huge no way they can pay for them? >> i have been critical he has the wrong tax cuts and doesn't pay for them. i will be very honest about that and pence didn't get to that part of it last night but he at least flagged the problem. i have said over and over the problem now is the tax on payrolls. the tax on labor and workers. we're the highest cost labor country in the world. we got a 15% tax on top of that. half to the worker, half to the employer. we need to get rid of that and replace it with a tax on imports and consumption which trump has rightly flagged but somehow they get all twisted around and pretend we'll have another supply side miracle that the economy -- neil: you think we will? >> i think we're, i think we

need to address the supply side because that ses where the problem is. i think taxes are too high, regulation is horrendous. neil: the idea it would create revenue. what happened in the reagan years they spent the revenue. >> the problem in the reagan years we spent it but beyond that there is more revenue built into the cbo forecast than even a robust supply side program will ever generate. so the problem with trump and his advisors they're counting it twice. it is already there and it is not going to happen. then they do the right thing. cut taxes and they count it again but they're not cutting the right taxes and that's unfortunate because he has alerted the american people, he has connected with the rust belt, that our trade situation is totally out of control. but the way to address it is not by starting a trade war. the way to address it is to reduce the cost and make our labor more competitive. neil: but bottom line, if you had your druthers you have problems with both candidates

you have fewer problems with trump and pence? >> of course. i'm a voter in colorado. as i say, that is a swing state. that is a battleground state, if it is close i will vote early and often for trump just like they used to say in chicago. neil: right. >> but unfortunately i hope he doesn't get distracted on foreign policy one of the reasons people like him, is he said, wait a minute, we're doing failed things and some obsolete things. we don't have to have a big, knock-down fight with putin and russia. i will go make a deal. last night unfortunately pence contradicted all of that. on the substance pence was bad. you know the liberal spinners this morning are saying he threw trump under the because he didn't defend some of his obnoxious language. i think he threw trump under the m-1 tank on foreign policy saying we'll go into aleppo and we're going to start a no-fly zones and picking out who the good guys are and bad guys.

neil: i thought he was going on his own. i can't defend some these remarks, not all of them but i'm not going there. i am going to give you my vision. it might be trump's vision. >> the party didn't defend some of the flamboyant words that trump has used. they can't be defended, okay? you but what he did do was try to defend the program that direction, the need for changing. neil: in other words don't focus on messenger. >> focus on, focus on the failed status quo. you know i did, i was jimmy carter in 1980 in the debate rehearsals with reagan. neil: is that right? >> yes. i spent a whole week and the two things that came out of it were, one, at beginning of week reagan knew less than trump does today. so people can be a little relaxed. secondly reagan was a good student. he knew he was there to get prepared. neil: he could crystallize -- >> crystallize what he wanted to say to get his message honed. neil: what does trump have to

do? >> he ought to do two things in remaining time between now and sunday. one, watch pence last night. sit down and watch it twice because the man was brilliant as debater. number two, he ought to get out the tape of the old reagan debate, cleveland, 1980, watch that three times. neil: one and only debate. >> and if he did, he would recognize that you get on message, you don't go into extraneous attacks and name-calling. you attack the status quo. are you better off than you were four years ago? are you better of than you were eight years ago now? that is what he needs to hit. that's what the company, country is responding to. neil: that's pretty good. pretty good. keep it clear, keep it simple. david stockman, best-selling author. budget director all those many years ago for ronald reagan. meantime kellyanne conway, the brains of behind donald trump in campaign strategy turning this

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first if we make sure the next secretary of state -- >> the investigation concluded that not one reasonable prosecutor would take any additional steps. >> he was interrupted and indeed ignored by senator kaine so consistently it was difficult to remember there was moderator. i don't think that it was letter fault. he was being very impolite to female. neil: that is interesting, are you raising the female card? >> only because they love to play it 24/7 in the clinton world. neil: dagen, what do you think of that? >> kellyanne conway gave you a little smirk and a little wink there. she tweeted how many sometimes has ignored and interrupted the female moderator tonight, #sexist. neil: that is a different play on the moderator destroying things, right? >> it is only sexist if you treat a woman differently than you treat a man and senator kaine acted like a tool to both the moderator and mike pence. so i think he interrupted them

both equally. neil: in that clip, governor pence wasn't answering the question she had at the time. >> right. neil: pivoting to issue near and dear to him. what do you think of that? >> i fault the moderator. i thought she won when they would get into good debate. when they were debating foreign policy. the moderator was elaine quijano, repeatedly interrupting them and trying to change course. let them debate! when they were talking over each other -- neil: that is my point. then it gets nonsense cal. >> you're looking at somebody doing panel shows with you more than 15 years, with charlie gasparino. don't you think i know how to shut down a man who talks over me? neil: what would you do in this that case when you're doing that. >> i would stop, hey, i'm in charge here. i'm moderating. you don't talk over each other because no one can hear you. if you do it again, we're going to take a time out and i'm throwing to a commercial break. i would have literally slammed

table in front of them. we're not talking over each other. that is not happening anymore. people get caught up in the moment. why are you looking at me funny. neil: because i'm afraid to talk. >> they were talking over each other. funny with tim kaine was doing -- neil: it was brilliant. he wedged it into every single topic. >> anytime mike pence brought up one word of server or foundation, i was aw, aw. neil: that is taxing. >> what was going on is, when you have a nice guy who is trying to be the tough guy, when i is what tim kaine was doing, it never works. neil: they were two nice guys. you and i covered them both. they're very nice men. whether you like their politics or not. i liked that format last night more than i did in the last presidential debate. i know they're doing a town hall format in st. louis. who benefits that format between hillary clinton and donald trump? >> i think that donald trump will do well, when he is kepting

with people and talking to them in person, i think he does well. hillary clinton, she can be very awkward. neil: improvement in polls, improvement in ohio, florida. the wind is at her back. >> she came out of that debate, it's a new hrc, brother, right? she is fired up on the campaign trail. we'll see if it lasts. i can't wait for the debate. i would have moved them. i would have gotten up, kaine, you're sitting over here. i'm separating you. you're going to sit over there. we're not going -- neil: i could turn this debate stage around. >> i said this to charlie gasparino once. do you see my mouth moving? that means i'm talking. you stop talking. neil: can i throw to -- >> yes you can, bye. later. neil: we'll have more.

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. neil: all right, before we end things here, take a look at some of the stocks that tend to move one way or the other ahead of an approaching storm.

certainly hurricane matthew is that. category 3 storm, could go to category 4 storm, and as trish regan will be reminding you this next hour, they're going to be monitoring this puppy because it is big. people always say why is it home depot, lowe's, those guys go up ahead of the storm. people stock up. trish: little economic boost for the home depots of the world. get ready, folks, donald trump is about to speak at raily in the battleground state in nevada any minute now. that's a live picture coming into us from henderson, nevada, a town outside of lavegas. some of his supporters are getting up to the podium. he will be going there any minute. we'll go there as soon as he does. happening as hillary clinton takes a break from the campaign trail to attend yet another fund-raiser in d.c., i'm trish regan. welcome everyone, to "the intelligence report." as we await trump's rally, whole lot