guy benson, thanks very much, and lee carter, thank you. >> thank you. lou: stay tuned for our special coverage of this second presidential debate. it is going to be historic, it's going to be, i am sure, epic. neil cavuto takes us there next. ♪ ♪ >> this is fox business network coverage of the second presidential debate live from washington university in st. louis. here is neil cavuto. neil: all right. welcome, everybody. well, donald trump has just deployed the nuclear option, what some people said was not in the makings has, indeed, just happened. minutes ago donald trump at a table with paula jones and juanita broaddrick and blasts from the past that seemed to say i might say offensive things, that is donald trump, these people have witnessed bill clinton doing far more offensive things. no less than juanita that

broderick, first and foremost, to speak. listen. >> i'm juanita broaddrick, and i'm here to support donald trump. i tweeted recently, and mr. trump retweeted it, that actions speak louder hand words. mr. trump may have said some bad words, but bill clinton raped me, and hillary clinton threatened me. i don't think there's any comparison. neil: all right. to say that has, obviously, changed the environment going into this debate would probably be an underestimate. but this appeared live on facebook just moments ago. donald trump surrounding himself with women who said that bill clinton went much further with them than the words that donald trump was using some 11 years ago. let's just say it has completely changed the context and the tone of tonight's debate and could

likely mean dominating that debate. connell mcshane on this sudden development. connell? >> reporter: sudden and remarkable, neil, in so many ways. you think there'll be some point of this campaign where we stop being surprised, but clearly that will not be tonight. we're told by pool reporters traveling with donald trump tonight that they were told they were being taken to the four seasons hotel here in st. louis for a photo op of donald trump debate prepping. instead, they got these four women standing or sitting with mr. trump there, paula jones, and the others. on broderick, there was a donald trump tweet earlier today that gave us a preview that she's a name that might come up this evening in the debate for some perspective and a look back at history. she has accused former president clinton of rape in the mid 1970 gz, an accusation that has never been proven, doesn't come public until 1999, but trump has hinted so on twitter earlier today and

now clearly in prison that he may bring up her name and now others in response to the controversy that has been surrounding him. it had previously been the elephant in this spin room and in every room surrounding the republican party going into this debate, and that's those leaked access hollywood videos of donald trump speaking in vulgar terms about women. now, trump campaign officials have been saying throughout the day today that they expected that topic, the leaked videos, to come up not only in the debate, but come up right at the top of the debate, possibly be the first question out of the gate. there are some other questions surrounding mr. trump, neil, the indianapolis star has reported on his running mate, mike pence, they've just reported within the last hour that mr. pence is in what they describe as a wait-and-see mode, publicly supporting trump but waiting to see how he does at tonight's debate before deciding how to go forward. "the wall street journal" had reported pence was telling donors he was fully supportive

of trump, but that was this morning. this is tonight. as for hillary clinton, she did not come here to washington university for a walk-through which is not unusual. she didn't do it at hofstra east. but as you know, she has issues of her own to deal with, the leaks transcripts of these wall street speeches and e-mails of hers, so that's something she would expect to come up tonight. but this trump press event does change things, it would appear, and be we'll see how it's handled less than an hour from now. it's a town hall debate, the format, and just about anything could happen. some might argue it already has, neil. neil: yeah, it has. connell, thank you very much. trump senior advise arer is joining me right now, did you have a heads up this was going to happen? >> well, i think regardless, i think it's an imertive move -- imperative move that was neil: so you didn't get a heads up. >> well, no, i was not involved in this -- neil: how do you feel about it?

>> i fully support it, neil, because i think when you have the hillary clinton campaign trying to create this false narrative based on an old audio where mr. trump was obviously speaking inappropriately, sure, but using hyperbole, and they're trying to cast him as being anti-women, hillary clinton of all people? the woman who only a week ago even "the new york times" itself wrote up an article on how she apparently hired a private investigator to go after jennifer flours -- gennifer flowers. we have to bring this to light. neil: i understand what's going on here and obviously saying, look, i might have said -- this is donald trump -- some offensive things, bill clinton did them. that doesn't apply to kathy shelton, a girl at the time, underaged girl who was allegedly raped by an older man. hillary clinton defended the older man thing, essentially, that this young girl might have been provocative in her actions. so leaving that aside, how does he go with the debate then?

does he start out with the first question for hillary clinton and keep carrying this forward for the rest of the debate? >> well, obviously, there will be a question whether it's from a moderator or an audience member about mr. trump and women, and i want to see him hit hard on what hillary clinton's real record is with women. somebody who hired a private investigator to go after and dig up dirt and shame a woman whose only crime was falling victim to the charms of a predator y'all bill clinton. neil: all right. but by having here, he's utilized the so-called nuclear option -- >> they forced him too. neil: all right, i understand that. but are you okay, are you comfortable with the debate that could be 90 minutes of this? >> if it comes down to that, neil, then it comes down to that. neil: but isn't that potentially risking maybe in mr. trump's mind for justifiable reasons a scorched earth policy, and he -- whatever chance he has to make inroads, it's not going to happen?

>> well, i think he can make inroads. i think the american public, especially younger audiences, aren't familiar with hillary clinton's record, dubious record towards women that crossed her path. and i think the american voters, especially women voters, deserve to hear the truth. neil: do you think that right now the way this is going shows that either mr. trump thinks his chances are narrowing to get to win this election and he wants to take everybody out or what? >>. no i think he wants the american public to have the full information about who he is. his record speaks for itself. his pro-women platform speaks for itself. but i think the american public hasn't really had because the media protects her, the liberal media protects her so much -- neil: well, i didn't want to jump on you there, but i do have a statement from hillary clinton on. we're not surprised to see donald trump continue his destructive race to the bottom. hillary clinton understands the opportunity in this town hall to talk to voters on stage and in the audience about the issues that matter to them, and this

stunt doesn't change that. if donald trump doesn't see that, that's his loss. as always, she's prepared to handle whatever donald trump throws her way. >> so was "the new york times" in a race to the bottom, hillary, when they wrote about your disgusting exploits against gennifer flowers and hiring a private investigator? were they in on this race to the bottom? i don't think so. maybe they were just writing an article about news that's relevant, and american women voters deserve to know concern. neil: is this going beyond the media and all of a sudden trying to reach out to average folks at home to put this in perspective? i heard from one trump loyalist who was saying this is all about setting the record straight. >> right. neil: he says bad stuff, bill clinton did bad stuff. but i want to go back to hillary clinton, wouldn't that actually make her look more like a sympathetic figure? >> no, because hillary clinton herself did bad stuff. juanita broaddrick says meeting hillary clinton after what happened made chills go down her spine. hillary clinton is the one who allegedly hired the private investigator to dig up dirt and

shame an innocent woman who was a victim as well, gennifer flowers. neil: you're a senior adviser, you're also a female -- [laughter] i don't want to be patronizing about that. the fact that the campaign doesn't bounce this all to you, that's kind of a big deal. >> no, i don't think so. i trust there are other advisers that are female. from trump is surrounded by powerful be, strong women -- neil: and you don't think this will make him look desperate? >> not at all. we deserve to know the truth. don't patronize us by not giving us the truth. neil: fair enough. a.j. delgado. lou, as you were mentioning on you show, obviously, this changes the dynamics going into this debate. how so, do you think? lou: neil, neil, we're having a little -- neil: i'm sorry. i'm sorry, lou -- lou: behind me. go ahead. neil: no, i was just saying how do you think this changes the debate?

i mean, he's obviously chosen to fight fire with fire, and i'm wondering whether this dominates the entire debate tonight. lou: i don't know whether it'll dominate the whole debate, but it was dominating all of the public discussion leading up to this debate. i think you would agree. you mentioned the -- you used the expression scorched earth. i think we have to start with the scorched earth policy that's been put in motion here by really two causal agents. one was wikileaks with the friday document dump against hillary clinton and the second was the nbc video, billy bush tape in which they attacked donald trump or whether it came from the clinton campaign. these are scorched earth initiatives that are now more than 48 hours old, so we're well into that particular political strategy. where it leads, we don't know because -- neil: yeah. lou: -- in point of fact, this

is a central issue now in the campaign. the fairness of the national liberal media, why it did not listen to those four women. as i watched, neil, you know, as we're covering this, those four women standing next to donald trump, many of them have been in the news for two decades and have not been able to get their story told by a mainstream media that made a, that litigated it and judged that they would not, their -- whatever their charges would not receive the attention because, in point of fact, there's an ideological alignment between the clintons and the national liberal media. and that is the only reason. paula jones settled out of court. money was paid by the clintons to settle sexual harassment charges. she's treated as if, you know, she is a fiction writer. when you see four brave be women, i think, to stand there with trump and tell their stories that have made their,

most of their adult lives painful beyond anything we can imagine. neil: all right, lou. we'll follow very closely. by the way, we got mixed reports whether these women who donald trump had with him today are invited to the debate tonight. we don't believe so. that doesn't mean that donald trump still can't make room for them many those seats, but they're all accounted for, i believe, so they will probably not be in the debate room. but, of course, this issue will be. and it has changed the tone for a debate we were told was supposed to open up to donald trump when he has a chance to apologize for his comments made 11 years ago caught on tape. but now to remind people whatever i said, this guy this woman is married to i'm debating tonight has done far worse, and she has enabled it, accommodated it. and let's just say if you're looking for a serious back and forth on the role of government in various programs, let's just say that might have gone away. more from st. louis after this. ♪ ♪ i'm just a guy who wants to buy that truck.

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>> why'd you say -- [inaudible] >> okay. ask hillary as well. neil: all right. a facebook discussion that was broadcast nationally on facebook where you had donald trump bringing together accusers of hillary and bill clinton over the years who have said that they have practiced far worse than what donald trump has said. so what donald trump had said and the controversy of that tape from 11 years ago saying some pretty outrageous things about women. billy bush was part of that tape, of course. one of the hosts of today show in the after hours, nine a.m. nbc just suspended him pending further review. we don't know for how long, but because of that, billy bush has been suspended pending further review from that nine a.m -- remember, it's an extended today show, and he is out for a while. so a lot happening.

just minutes away from the big debate. steve case here with us right now, he recently announced he was supporting hillary clinton and now we've got some craziness going on. what do do you make of it? >> i think it's a sad day for our democracy. i was hoping we'd talk about jobs and economic growth, start-ups. last week i spent a week on the road visiting places like nebraska, arizona, new mexico, great entrepreneur, but they're worried about the future and they want to know where things are going. i hope the debate focuses on some of those issues, how it's going to impact people's lives. this is, obviously, the news of the moment, but i hope the debate doesn't just focus on that. we have got to focus on how we move this country forward. neil: do you think people were -- to hear the trump folks tell it -- disproportionately dealing with what he said 11 years ago? this is his way to respond to it? >> first, i thought what trump said was reprehensible. i was disappointing. i think doubling down tonight i don't think is helpful to his

campaign, i don't think it's helpful to the country. i think most people out this view this as not the main event. it's how to do we make sure this country remains the most entrepreneurial nation, how do you change taxes, regulations, how do you level the playing field so everybody everywhere has a shot at the american dream? neil: maybe they were concerned -- yeah, i definitely see what you're saying, but maybe they were concerned, there's jesse jackson making his way to the seats, he's a guest, i believe, of hillary clinton. the trump folks saying if you're going to drag me down in the mud, i'm going to take you with me. >> i don't think it's a smart response, but i'll leave the punditry to you folks. i think what this country needs is a new direction that takes us forward and really makes sure that everybody has a shot, as i said, at the american dream. and particularly on our start-ups all over the country. not just silicon valley and new york -- neil: you're worried that neither side is going to get a chance to do that. >> i do worry about it. hopefully, that won't be the case because this is not the main event for this country. i'm not diminishing what

happened, i think it's a big problem, and i'm sad that it's become the topic of the moment when we should be talking about the future of the country and how there are a lot of people who are frustrated about government. there are a lot of people who feel left behind by globalization and digitization. we need to back the next wave of entrepreneurs all across the country if we're going to remain the most innovative, entrepreneurial nation, have the strongest economy. let's have some of that discussion and not just discussion on these other issues. neil: you know, steve, we had, obviously, a donald trump person on a minute ago, and one of the things she was arguing was there seems to be a great deal of fixation on what donald trump said 13 years ago -- 11 years ago as, i guess, there should be. even she acknowledged that. but very little about what hillary clinton has said or e-mails have seemed to intimate from as recently as months ago. and this is where i want to ask you as a business guy, do you believe what she says? in other words, if the e-mails are indicating that she is far

cozier to wall street and banks than she seems to indicate on the stump, that she's far more open to unfettered trade and all that than she appears on the stump, that she was much more worried about vetting these syrian refugees than she aspears on the stump -- aspear-- appears on the stump, they're saying you can't trust her. >> i do trust her. none of us are perfect -- neil: i guess you're saying it's battle of negatives. >> the reason i came out and endorsed her, and as you know, i've never endorsed a candidate before, she released a very thoughtful, detailed set of policies around how to move the country forward -- neil: and you didn't mind the tax hike portion -- >> and trump has not. neil: you didn't mind the tax hike portion? >> i'm sorry? newt newt you didn't mind the tax hikes? >> of course nobody wants to pay more taxes, but i don't think trump moves the country forward.

neil: you don't think her spending would blow up the deficit? >> i have some concerns. i want to the make sure, you know, sometimes maybe she thinks the government is too much the answer, and sometimes maybe a little too pro-regulation, but the bottom line is trump has not put any policies in the last year in place around how to move the country forward, start-ups, economic growth -- neil: you don't believe tax cuts will do that, you're right, you can argue that, but let me ask you this, it's probably a wacky psychological point, but maybe you can help me with it, that the two of them are going to be up there on that debate stage in a town hall format with very high negatives, and i think they want -- this is just my opinion -- they want to escape this night being the least negative. is that such a goal? >> which is sad. no, i think it's -- the goal should be how do you lay out a framework, a plan to move the country forward in a way that's more inclusive and gives opportunity to more people in more places. and that should be more of the discussion. i hope it is. i understand this has now become an issue. hopefully, it gets dealt with early in the debate and we spend the rest of the time talking

about jobs, economic growth, start-ups, entrepreneurs, making sure everybody has a shot at the american dream. that's, i think, what most people in this country care about. neil: one other thing that's come up in the conversation about what donald trump said 11 years ago is all guys talk this way. do you? >> no. that'sly dicking louse and it's -- ridiculous, and it's offensive. the reality is he's 70 years old, not 13 years old. to suggest this is just the way it's done and all men are like this is ridiculous and offensive to me as a man. also, by the way, offensive to me as a father of five kids, four of whom are girls. this is not the kind of leadership we need for this country. but that's not why i endorsed hillary clinton. she has the best policies around economic growth, start-ups, entrepreneurs continuing to build on our 250-year history as the most innovative, entrepreneurial country in the world. trump is a business person, he has not -- neil: he's been critical on the issue i know near and dare to you on this issue where we're

ceding the internet to this international group, and he doesn't like that. we invented the internet, and we shouldn't be sharing it. >> it's now a global phenomena with billions be of users, and at some point the governance should be more of a global governantes. neil: so you're okay with it. >> i'm okay with it. the main thing is how do we make sure everybody has a shot at the american dream, and last week, as i said, i spent time on our bus meeting thousands of entrepreneurs who have great ideas. how do we make sure they have access to capital, the right regulatory environment, investment incentives so they can build the businesses that are the next googles or chipotles or under armours. that's what we need to have more of a discussion on in this debate, and i hope that's what'll happen. neil: steve case, thank yous very much. a couple of things have changed since we arranged this interview. >> that happens. neil: from what we understand as we are now about 35, 36 minutes away from the debate is the dynamics have changed mightily. first the tape, then donald trump's ponce to fight fire with -- response to fight fire

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♪ ♪ >> hillary put me through something that you've never put a 12-year-old through, and she says she's for women and children. she was asked last year on what happened s and she says she spoke to the -- [inaudible] whether they did or not, now

she's laughing on tape saying -- [inaudible] >> you went through a lot. >> yes, sir, i did. neil: all right. kathy shelton is not a bill clinton accuser, 12 years old raped by an older man. hillary clinton representing that older man. he got a sentence stayed, and she was made to feel victim and, of course, she didn't as a 12-year-old at the time and years later in court, could not believe what happened and what transpired. she, by the way, will be in the debate hall tonight as will paula jones, juanita broaddrick and, of course, kathleen wily. i don't know whether that was prearraigninged, but i think i had -- prearranged, but i think i had said it was too late to get them in. they were already slated to be in which means as surprising as this press conference was, that donald trump arranged less than an hour ago, he had already checked hem in as guests -- them in as guests. we don't know the timing of

that, but we do know carl paladino with is us, former republican gubernatorial candidate. carl, do you know about these women and that donald trump was planning to have this i vent and, furthermore, have them attend tonight's debate? >> no, neil. i was unaware of it, but i'm awful happy he's done it. i listened to krauthammer a few minutes ago, and he said he described it pretty apropos. trump has two ways to go, he could either come out as a soft guy, apologizing and accepting the fact that the press has a right to go and intrude on him at this late a stage in the election, or he could come out and with a scorched earth attitude and throw it right back at 'em and fight fire with fire. i think most of the trump supporters will appreciate the fact that he's going to come back hard. appearances are he's going to come back hard, and he's going to let people know that the real

intent of this entire effort is to stop the growth of the progressive movement in america and to allow the middle class to take their country back. the mainstream media doesn't seem to get that. they don't have a clue what's going on. they've gone off and marginalized him on peripheral issues such as this, and now it's time to account to the american people who are going to bring donald trump in in november because they have had enough of this same type of stuff where the media is totally controlled by the washington establishment and spokespeople like chuck todd whose show i was on earlier after he ended it abruptly. people like that have to be, have to be told that they have a gr american people than making the decisions for them. they can't make those decisions anymore -- neil: but how does this, but, carl, how does this -- i know what you're saying, and i know as a friend of donald trump you're offended by what has been, in your view, a pile-on on

the part of the media, but how does this advance that cause? if it's scorched earth as you have said at the outset, and i agree with that, does it really advance his game or does it drag this whole thing down? obviously, he is angry -- the release of this tape, but does this complicate things and compound things to the point where it's he said/she said and none of these issues that you care about get discussed? >> option number one is the option that the mainstream press wants him to take, and that's unacceptable. it's not -- this is not a game anymore. they have -- neil: the option you talking about is to apologize, right? you think -- >> well, i think -- he has apologized. neil, he's apologized. he said it very clearly, okay? it was a bad remark, it was a bad time, it was street talk, gutter talk, whatever you want to call it. every man does it, every man has been involved with it at one point or another in his life.

what's really important here is truth and honesty in our government. this is an american revolution, it's not an election. the people are revolting against this washington establishment control of everything that we think, we do. it's unacceptable. we don't want a continuation of obama. we've had enough of obama and the progressives. we want a government that's going to be for the next 30 or 40 years that's going to be responsive to the middle class of our country. and we're certainly not going to see that with hillary appointing the next couple of supreme court justices. neil: do you think that will ever come up, carl? do you think that'll ever come up? and i understand your frustration with the process, but it's been so much time getting into comments made many years ago. but it, donald trump doing this, i mean, we're going to potentially spend 90 minutes going through all of this stuff, right? potentially. >> neil, i'm that little guy from buffalo, new york, okay? i don't have, i don't have great

influence over what happens in our country. but here i am very, very determined, okay, to make sure everything i can to insure that we don't go through the same nonsense any longer that we're suffering in america. the people don't know what to tell their kids about the future. there is no future. there's no growth. you can't raise taxes. trickle down worked, okay? james comey is so treacherous, he should resign tomorrow morning. i mean, he's ruined the integrity of the fbi. the conspiracy with loretta lynch and all the rest of this nonsense and what we're reading, hillary told the people -- told these elitists at goldman sachs that we were a bucket of losers. the american people are a bucket of losers. she's speaking to the elitists. is that the kind of person we want as the president of the united states? i'd rather have a guy that appreciates a good looking woman.

that's about it. neil: all right. carl paladino, thank you very much, former new york gubernatorial candidate. donald trump now has arrived at this debate location right behind me, the back entrance to this building, and he has dropped a bombshell in the name of four of bill and hillary clinton accusers. all will be special guests of his at this debate tonight in the same hall where you will have hillary clinton's husband, bill clinton, and her daughter chelsea clinton seated nearby. whoa. we'll have more after this. ♪ ♪ i spent many years as a nuclear missile launch officer. if the president gave the order we had to launch the missiles, that would be it. i prayed that call would never come. [ radio chatter ] self control may be all that keeps these missiles from firing.

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♪ ♪ neil: all right. we're told that hillary clinton has a arrived at the debate site

a few minutes earlier don trump arrived as well -- donald trump arrived as well. these are the audience, by the way, the panel of average folks, voters, supposedly uncommitted who will be asking questions tonight. behind that sort of out of your audience view are those who are hillary clinton loyalists, those who are donald trump loyalists and a few hundred seats reserved for better than 8500 students who at this washington university participated in a lottery to get a chance to watch a little history being made. and now with these latest developments, we'll be witnessing quite a bit of history, to put it mildly. connell mcshane has been following all these fast-moving developments. connell, spell 'em all out where we stand. >> reporter: well, you know, it's interesting, neil, you talked about both candidates being here on site at washington university, but it's the event that donald trump held moments before coming over here that has everybody talking, appearing with these four women broadly identified as clinton accusers

from years ago and doing so at the four seasons hotel and then inviting the four women, paula jones, kathy shelton, juanita broaddrick to be guests of his tonight. that was a remarkable event. here's what one of those women, paula jones, had to say earlier this evening. listen. >> and mr. trump is going to make america great again. and i think everybody else -- [inaudible] and i think they should all look at the facts that he's a good person. he's not what other people have been saying he'd be like hillary. think about that. >> reporter: think about that, she says. i guess some people will be thinking about that, but it's before all of that, neil, they were thinking about the leaked tape from access hollywood that came out of donald trump using vulgar terms in talking about women, and it's widely expected still, the trump campaign have been talking about it throughout the day, that that topic would be the first that the audience

members brought up and that the moderators possibly followed up upon. so trump then, you know, holds this event, how does that change things? quite frankly, we don't know. we're getting closer to the debate, and this spin room has quite a buzz to it. members of the media, they've gathered in the corner with cameras and, you know, the lights and everything else expecting some big person to come out and talk to us but so far no one has. that's the kind of ceaption and anxious -- anticipation and anxiousness there is moments before this debate. neil: you know, i'm thinking if washington -- if these women are going to be in the audience tonight, that means they could walk out with that audience to the spin room, and they will likely be granting interviews when they leave in the spin room. and has not unintentional, i'm sure. >> reporter: no. i mean, neil, when you think about it, this is not normal in presidential debates, the candidate himself, donald trump, has a appeared in the spin room. so, certainly, if he would appear himself, you would expect

the people who he has invited to be honored guests of his at this evening, which is what he's done, would appear. and, again, to go back to that earlier topic that i brought up which was the leaked tape and audio of donald trump, remember, the other news development we had this evening that i guess i should mention is the access hollywood and more recently nbc today show co-anchor, billy bush, was the other guy involved in that, and we just heard that mr. bush has been us sended indefinitely. so that's the -- suspended indefinitely, so that's the other part of that story. neil: that's how he was identified, a former host. we're not leaping here. for now he's still technically a host, he just could return to that job, we don't know if he will. connell mcshane, thank you very much. kennedy joining me right now. kennedy, fast-moving developments. i'm just wondering, what the heck? >> i think that's the point of the developments, to knock everyone off their feet, to keep the clinton camp on their toes. i think the revelations from friday have made hillary wildly confident, and this is just

something that sends her team into full spin and panic right before the debate, and they really don't have time to react substantially and with the amount of preparation mess to the press conference -- necessary to the press conference. neil: they're obviously thinking they're discussing the ground rules more this and how in the will be. it's a town hall format so, obviously, the first question we do know will go to hillary clinton, and i'm wondering since the questions have already been arraigninged whether he was to come up with new questions. >> a news cycle moving this quickly and with veteran broadcasters, you would hope that they have the ability to move along with the news cycle and react to these things as is necessary. neil: and then in that audience keep in mind it's a small audience. these are the ones who will be part of, you know, the town hall. the average voters who we're told are undecided. >> yeah. neil: but now we have the situation in that audience, and it's not a very big audience, all these four clinton accusers. then you have bill clinton and

you have chelsea clinton sitting not too far apart. >> yeah, that's absolutely right. but, you know, chelsea clinton a grown woman, she's a mom, and she has inserted herself in this political process with her mother, and she's an active surrogate not only in her mom's campaign, but also in the clinton foundation. so conceivably, she's heard these things before. neil: i would imagine she has. but to say that ited adds to a little contention is a little bit of an understatement, and i'm thinking of nbc right now, having a football game and not being live on this event, somewhere a programmer at "30 rock" is saying, are we nuts? >> picture on picture, baby. god bless technology. neil: exactly. more after this, just a few minutes away. ♪ ♪ my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count.

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>> will be presented in the questions -- neil: all right, hillary clinton arriving in this building behind me just a few minutes ago. she made a famous statement regarding those who have survived sexual assault that every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed and supported. you can imagine that kellyanne conway of the trump campaign didn't waste a nanosecond

retweeting that to say does that go for juanita, kathleen, kathy and paula? if so, acknowledge them from the stage tonight. so this should all go pretty well. this should all be pretty quite, pretty genteel. man, oh, man, i don't know how to handicap this. kennedy back with me, trish regan in new york. what do you think? trish: i think you said it very well earlier when you said he exercised the nuclear option, neil. indeed, he did. it really is a game changer here. it puts her on the defensive. i still think he needs to, basically, come out and reiterate what he said in that videotaped message where he apologizes for his atrocious words. but at the same time, he can make that argument, and clearly he's going to do so that, look, these were just words. bill clinton actually acted in this fashion, and his wife on stage right next to me supported her husband and tried to bury some of those women that are here trying to tell their story tonight. so the challenge for him is to

basically still be able to win over some of those independent women voters that i think have felt alienated by these comments and do so in a way where he can sill talk about policy -- still talk about policy because, i'm telling you, people need to hear it. they need to hear what he's going to offer that's different. neil: you know, kennedy, those four accusers are in that audience. as i said, not sitting too far from the clinton family. and i'm sure the organizers for this debate tonight are trying to say let's stick to the issues or whatever they're going to say, which is to say hold off on your clapping and all of that nonsense. how do you think the audience is going to behave? >> i don't know that it's necessarily the audience that is the wildcard -- neil: yeah, right. >> i do think that you will have certain members of the audience who are very much supporting donald trump still as we've seen not only at the paul ryan rally -- neil: by the way, and i don't mean to interrupt you, but you

can notice the cameras are pointed at those in the audience, and i can bet you they involve these four accuse ors, maybe chelsea clinton and her family. >> yeah. neil: the fact of the matter is the audience, now, has become a primary -- >> and did you notice the look on bill clinton's face as he exited the suv? that's a look that we saw in 1998, for sure. chelsea clinton putting her arm around her mom with a big smile on her face, ushering her mom, bill clinton walking a step behind like do we really have to relive this again, so i think that he is the first casualty -- neil: well, maybe, you know, trish regan, real quickly, could neutralize the whole trump what he said 11 years ago and they don't touch it at all. >> i think that's an interesting hypothesis, and i've heard some people talk about that. i don't know if east one of them are going to be able to do that, neil. i really think, you know, this is, you know, something that he has wanted to go after, he has threatened to go after.

he certainly went after, bringing those women out there tonight. she also can't resist needling him, don't forget. she knows that be she just pokes and prods, she might get a reaction, and so that is going to be a strategy she likely uses and has been programmed to use. neil: yeah. chelsea clinton with her arms on her mother, bill clinton following behind. we have seen this walk before. more after this. ♪ ♪

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neil: normally second presidential debates garner nearly second presidential debate and that was thinking before donald trump changed dynamic having former clinton accusers sit in that audience and say, add to the tension in that room. only a few minutes away right now. kennedy is with me. trish regan is with me. lou dobbs is with me. lou, how does this change, how does this change the dynamics tonight? >> the dynamics are changed by further charge into this battle as we have discussed, epic, and that is the mainstream media, liberal bias will be in question and on display because each of

the women who have accused bill clinton in very serious charges over the course of the past 20 years have been ignored bit mainstream media. and now we're going to see how that plays out in this debate. already their presence is not simply, some distant abstract shun you but they are in the room with these two combatants for the 2016 election. neil: you know, trish regan, all those clinton accusers are in the audience. they all exit through the spin room. they could all conceivably talk to the media in the spin room. that could get very interesting. >> i imagine they will too. i think this is part of the goal here to get their story out to, change the narrative, neil, as he has pointed out, he said a lot of words but words are different than actions. and so he is trying to flip this narrative and he may succeed in doing so.

neil: we'll watch very closely. the voters, supposedly uncommitted voters in place on the stage. hundreds more offstage including those clinton accusers including bill clinton, including chelsea clinton. can you say dramatic? minutes away. ♪ announcer: this is fox business network coverage of the second presidential debate. live from washington university in st. louis, here is neil cavuto. 1999 all right, bill clinton and chelsea clinton were briefed donald trump upped ante. if you were going to talk about what donald trump said 11 years ago he would bring out accusers said far worse about bill clinton. it added mightily what will go down on the stage three minutes from now. kennedy with me. lou dobbwi