are congressional are congressional majorities. they said he will not be campaigning with republican nominee for president donald trump of the next month. instead, he will focus his attention on keeping the house red. on that call today, mike and

said this morning that he would be on that call and he had a plea earlier this morning for republicans after the whole hollywood tape of 2005. here was my end than what he wanted to hear or see from republicans. >> people across the country believes in as much as i do. with an 11-year-old comments that he regrets and apologizes for an donald trump and hillary clinton have to people that will take them in different directions. drain a pencil be on the trail for john today squashing all speculation that he might be jumping off the ticket. pence is in north carolina. i couldn't help but think back if you remember what ted cruz got crushed were sagging vote your conscience and a lot of republicans.

the house speaker saint do what is best in your district. not necessarily the same thing. what i dynamically have with 30 days in our election day. neil: if you think about it, the sentiment with paul ryan the highest-ranking in the country that is the same thing here. if sending different signals. like bergman, thank you very, very much. we will put you on a couple polls as well. in the meantime i do want to bring your attention to this battle back and forth on what the trump campaign has to do now or maybe capitalize on the fact that the stalwarts are with them and that his own running mate is to sort of pull back, come forward. the review senior correspondent also paprika par row and finally

charlie gasparino. we begin with you. this is very interesting. this is the party same despite what was a pretty good proponent st night, certainly better than the first debate. they are already starting to leave him. i don't know where this goes, but that can't be a good thing for republicans. >> there's a couple things going on as he reported on your show this weekend the rnc was basically on red alert that he might have to resign. obviously there's only one in the wake of those tapes to be released. the establishment republicans for better or worse are now distancing themselves in a major way. mike pence said before why he believes in redemption. this is what these guys tell me. they've given some old 400

chances. john mccain the epileptic reporter mocking. all forget a few but there has been alive. it has reached out a crisis point that they are worried essentially about the future. what more is going to leak out. there's a month left. voting trends can change. neil: there are rumors that there are other tapes that this could be moving ahead of that. i do want to bring you up to date on this end screen at the bottom here from "the wall street journal." now winning 46 support for likely voters versus 35 and, it has not been that big since before the conventions. in a four-way race picker in a two-way race as well. right now looking not at, capri, you have to be saying that the clinton folks might pretty good.

this is before last night's debate. how do you think that debate will affect this map? >> i think objectively speaking, donald trump had a strong performance towards the end of the debate when he focused on issues and the economy in particular. he was able to pay that every time something came up he was pivoting, for example, the fact hillary is part of the past 30 years to accomplish some of these things. he did have a much stronger debate in the first debate. the issue is not going away and the republicans particularly in the house and senate. this is why paul ryan is concerned. there's no way to let the american public forget those tapes. if you do not denounce donald trump, then you are basically enrsing the statements in the 2005 video. it's a really tough place for republicans to be in right now. >> neil, i find it interesting

the words that donald trump says versus the actual actions that tell clinton that he acted on his fault and his wife was the attack dog. with this election people have two choices and they know how hillary clinton wants to govern higher tax is, more regulation and pro-coal miners out of work. look at the other end of the spectrum. reducing regulations. this is the direction of the country. you mention new jersey is going to raise by 23 cents. that will be harmful for americans. >> i agree with everything you say. here is where it gets tricky for anyone running for public office. there is an exhaustion. let's be real clear. this is outrageously disgusting stuff. he said other disgusting stuff. i really like them. when he starts piling up, by the way you've got to win a house selection of race.

it's survival of the fittest and this guy is toxic. one more and he is toxic. >> that's what the democrats are going to try to capitalize on. they will paint this as a pattern because those things are more recent than 2005. neil: donald trump to something last night. this is my opinion. i could be very wrong. i doubt eyeing him. by having the clinton accusers in that audience, he initialize the argument for the time being and what is bad harder because he had not brought them. cheesy, even sleazy to do. every right to say and i said some awful things about women. despite was her husband has done even worse things to women.

i i think that if mitigated what could've been a 90 plus minute debate about the tape 11 years old. we don't know about. we have lots of rumors about that. maybe this is the party leadership when it happens. what did you think is a woman and a consepens. what did you think is a woman and a conservative of bringing these accusers to the debate. >> donald trump was putting the face the problem that happened years ago when these women were attacked by bill clinton. listen, for them to be fair, i'm pretty sure it was hard for them to do. donald trump put a face on these individuals. we are talking about words versus some of the actual elections. bill clinton and hillary clinton for many, many years and they have done so many things and said so many things that are absolutely off the chart as far as americans are concerned that they still gather around them.

neil: the whole generations of americans who weren't even around them. >> one thing i will say -- i'm sorry, go ahead. neil: capri and then charlie. >> and certainly not condoning the actions of bill clinton or hillary clinton when it comes to a whole host of issues. women in the audience don't know ifdonald trump any favors with this suburban women who may see that as a really sort of below the belt. >> hillary clinton from wanting to address a, looking her in her face. >> let's be clear here. it is 4040. people want trump, vote for clinton. get the radical middle you've

got to look presidential. the accumulation of nonpresidential statements from donald is going to hurt them they are. i'm not saying it is over now but it's pretty close. even last night i agreed with a lot of things he said about clinton and stuff on the economy is first rate which i think you should've spent more time on before the debate. she seemed pretty composed. i don't think he went away from that debate. hillary clinton is not the type of person -- neil: there are no polls on this. the pulpit is available with nbc in "the wall street journal" prior to last night's debate. he had a good night. that gap has widened considerably. how many people are watching the

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neil: welcome back, everybody. the day after st. louis. last night donald trump tried to put this controversial tape better than 10 years old behind him by focusing on leaks concerning the hillary clinton e-mail. does anyone this morning. eyebrow raises to put it mildly. peter barnes is put through them. >> this is another two dozen e-mails from john podesta's accounts from which he links this morning including one to hand from a progressive writer

and a journalist called him and close to the clintons sex life could be damaging to hillary clinton. donald trump brought that issue up last night in the debate for one example. i had a multi-e-mail exchange with someone in the media this morning, a name you with no crusade w. jay c. sex life could be damaging to her. i responded i totally disagree that the presidency and personal appeal are huge asset in that i do not believe people who are the closest to the clintons believe this person is the media in seriousness from somebody. he added however that some people told him the last w. jay c. the better. he did not bond.

in fact, in another e-mail, podesta referred to him as a lefty with no following. we also following through these other e-mails which show among other things clinton and her aides tried to come up with peter strategies and responses to counter the 2015 book clinton cash in ahead of the benghazi committee hearings. sure into peter, thank you very much. more revelations from other clinton officials will elaborate on those. when it comes to speeches before wall street, and it be a good idea to get those out the sooner the better. we are getting some links on what speech is involved. we are not in keeping with what you say. this all comes back to how much is getting the media attention.

are you learning about 11-year-old tape with donald trump saying awful things about women. lisa does, the president digesting all of this. we have this fallout. prior to the debate, hillarytont lead before the conventions and that's prior to the debate. how do you think they change those numbers? >> i'm not sure how much you change the numbers are necessarily setting on a different project to repeated what i think it did is it tops the bleeding because we were saying obviously a mass exodus. the rnc could be diverting money away from him in two races and if that happened they had the operation to get out the vote. they need that. neil: on the show during the break, if it looks like it is

closer than not and then you learn later that the party did little to help donald trump to put them over the top tier that's all another revolution within the party. >> i think you are saying it is depressing because we are imploding. we are seeing that right now in the sense that "politico" put out a poll yesterday showing 74% of republicans want the party to stay with charm. and take it out on a number or candidate who did not stand with charm. a lot of these guys looking at trumping particular who are concerned about him representing for the long-term. the long-term of the republican party with a lot of conflicting interests. >> the group that came out, talking about john mccain and others, senator sassou came on and said we just need another nominee. what do you think of that and

whether they hurt their own cause? last night all bets are off. in a close race there's a lot of playing. >> i think we'll see a circular firing squad. i think regardless of what happens, even donald trump wins, we are going to see a lot of interesting things in the republican party and i do think there's going to be this paragraph -- power grab of various factions tried to fight it out. what is the future of the republican party and who represent that party? we will see a lot of competing interests november 8th. tree into a among those on the tapes came to light that said that day. it's over. >> he was pushing in that direction. his comments are disgusting. they are inexcusable. there is a fake outrage on the left and i find it laughable that they are so offended yet they've been embracing and promoting bill clinton individual who's been accused of

much worse. neil: you see them bringing clinton abusers to the debate. >> his defense during the debate was well done. it can be used as a defense as opposed to an attack and that was fair because there is need. it's not the fact bill clinton is just her husband. he is a top surrogate for the clinton campaign out there everyday campaigning on her behalf. she thought about his time in the white house as a talking point of hers and also about the fact bill clinton is going to have a major role in her white house says she is doing. absolutely fair game despite the fact he's her husband, even the top surrogate talking about the fact she is someone so closely connected representing her campaign accused of such egregious things. >> one of those was at the time of 12-year-old girl who was raped by an older man.

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>> you get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails and then you acid wash them or bleach them as you say, a very expensive process. so we look at a special prosecutor look into it because you know what, people have had had -- their lives have been destroyed for doing one fifth of what you've done and it's a disgrace and honestly like to be ashamed of yourself.

neil: that was one of the kinder moments last night. welcome back, everybody. neil cavuto here. the bottom line is depending he talked to at the very least it was a night for donald trump to surrogate push himself from further freefall. this issue appointed a special process to look in to the whole e-mail a racing game. eric holder the former attorney general just weeded out, donald trump will take certain actions when nixon tried to courageously resign. trump is dangerous and unfit. not a fan of donald trump. we've got the former u.s. attorney general with this right now. >> delighted to be with you. i like to help to you or protect them right now. neil: thanks for all your kind words when i was out. litigator sensors to the debate and now back into an attorney

general in a trump administration pursuing hillary clinton activities and ask him et cetera is. >> first on the debate, what did you think? >> i think the debate refocused the country on a series of issues important to our future. i understand the press and its need to project the salacious and for the hours -- you go by ratings. that brings eyeballs to your site. the truth of the matter before the debate, it was all about that. during the debate, maybe that occupied 15 or 20 minutes and then the debate progressed may have been hard-hitting, may have been straight lowered, but issues like foreign policy and justice. >> and also the females does that is getting away with murder here and if he became president

he would have a prosecutor look into it. what did she make of eric holder's response? >> there are enough anomalies and enough unknowns. i don't know when we've ever seen is not excuse given for not requiring things that the idea of not prosecuting people in return for testimony and then not getting the testimony. the idea of bill clinton been in the airplane. i don't know -- neil: the rather lynch, both at the same airport. he hops on her plate. it didn't seem like the right thing to do. >> clearly the wrong thing to do whether it's illegal. there is this environment. it causes the american people to wonder. this administration has done more to devalue the rule of law by the president saying i can't

get the cemented in the congress. i'm just going to hand it by itself in regard to obamacare. immigration and just not to enforce that law. i don't like it when it came to certain drug laws we are going to suspend enforcement because we don't believe in them. we have it undercuts the rule of law and a substantial way and trade you wonder whether there's a complicity in the department of justice and then you look at hillary clinton last night when asked what they wanted supreme court justice, she wants justices that will attend her agenda and be supportive of the agenda. donald trump says we ought not be oriented in the core system to a political agenda. we should be oriented to the constitution. for an individual who has endorsed out the obama administration devaluation of the rule of law and maybe has benefited from the devaluation of the rule of law and certainly someone who says there's one

standard for me and my family and another standard for you. if you say that he -- >> there might be some grounds to do that. >> the american people have questions and if i were going to try and suggest a way to do it, someone is appointed. it should be someone who can convince the american people that it's not a political thing. eric holder sa he was the president swingman. for him to say -- neil: some people are noting all people -- it is what it is. john ashcroft, thank you very much. i do want to take a quick peek at oil if you don't mind because it's the reason why stocks are up. oil is the dominant them within the dow. a dominant team within a lot of market averages. it is a period it has doubled in less than two months. gas prices will follow if you

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neil: i want to give you the latest on hurricane matthew. some are saying the storm, even

when it comes to storms of historic damage doesn't seem to measure up to samuel katrina. the death toll of the united states 21. almost a thousand in haiti of 1 million still without power in north carolina and south carolina. have a million in the state of florida. again, some of the insured losses right now estimated to be up to six william dollars. damage as i stress here. $6 billion north of what hurricane can be produced. the most damaging storm at least in dollars and cents in american history. we'll keep an eye on that. you heard about the debate last night, which is why i'm still here because we can't get out of this town. great food, great people. although a lot of killer bees are following. did you guys notice that?

there are keeping their distance. the entire crew has left the stage which is a little disconcerting because these eased aside to fly around me. it's a good thing they make up artist is a lovely woman has provided me with hot tea with lots of honey which is not exactly trying to bees. touché, debbie. we will let you know if something happens to me. the presidential historian extraordinaire with a lot of fo saying that donald trump had to stop what was happening here and they acknowledged that he did at least that. he is still in a deep, deep ditch. is that your view? >> well, yes he was in trouble certainly because of his offensive remarks that he made about women. his retaliation argument was that hillary clinton has done much worse. what she has done has been a

legal and worthy in itself of her stepping down for being the nominee also. we have people challenging hillary to step down and donald trump to set down. we see people on both sides. neil: even if you look at it, these poll numbers showing a double-digit cap, the latest scapular clinton has enjoyed as the favorite since before the convention. she was solidifying that lead. what is your thinking on what happened post-debate? >> well, donald trump is going to have to emphasize the issues to bring that down. he will have to lay to rest the objections people have and put hillary clinton on the defense. that is important. neil: did it hurt him the way he brought the clinton accusers to the room?

they make in the subject for 96 minutes even though it was a nuclear option and a dangerous option that. it got him to get on some of these other issues in a weird sense. whether jamaica back? >> yes, perhap. it did guarantee the first third he debate was devoted to candidate trumps remarks and his objections to hillary clinton. we didn't get to discussing the issues until the last two thirds of the debate. neil: you are right about that. i think it could've been the whole debate. you are quite right about that. we'll quickly all this republican stalwarts, paul rent the latest to say essentially what ted cruz said at the convention. but your conscience, we will do our own thing here that is not exactly a rallying cry for the nominee. >> we are -- remember in 1974

when barry goldwater and senator hugh scott the minority leader and john rosa house minority leader paid a visit to richard nixon and told them no options. for him continue. that would be the implication. this is very different because president nixon was guilty of that justice. he committed crimes. he has not committed crimes and his counter argument is that there are worse actual crimes that have been committed by my opponent. >> the bottom line is the nominee. if he is not going to lead. and i come back to bite you, but we will see what happens. thank you very, very much. a quick break here as we deal with these killer bees. just a few feet away.

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now come the wikileaks. a close friend of the clintons had urged that it might be a good idea for hillary clinton for the transcript and hillary clinton was saying one thing to those bankers and quite another thing publicly. i wonder how all of this is sorting out for a lot of folks especially in that campaign. the former sanders campaign staffer. i know there was concern that hillary clinton didn't really believe, a lot of you believed, but she was a lot better than donald trump. so a lot of supporters went to hillary clinton. now come this revelation that whatever she was singing to you guys didn't jibe with what she was telling them just as bernie sanders had raised during the debate. what did you think of that? >> when we talk about a raid system. hillary clinton likes to speak and make it appear we are

talking about some tax loopholes that perhaps donald trump or millions of americans take advantage of. we are talking about intentional acts that was met to disengage, disregarding this meant anyone for a change. people like bernie sanders. i traveled on the campaign for six monthsn thnational campaign level and never say we nt to, elected officials were afraid to join bernie sanders. they trash people like ohio state senator try to discredit her, told her by her joining with bernie sanders that she could no longer be a part of the club per se. this is nothing new that is a new revelation. but b.c., but we heard. i'm telling you what i've experienced. neil: i hear you because last time we chatted, you heard about what hillary clinton was saying

on this videotape to donors about, you know, burberry still working enthusiasts who live in their mom and dad's basement or the core of bernie sanders support room. you see these other e-mails that confirm what you expect that web bernie sanders had thought she said to those bankers. your friends and colleagues who are big bernie sanders backers, were they so -- so a lot better than he is. >> i'm curious how many more wikileaks dump to see how many times hillary clinton has dumped on the american people. people who worked on the bernie sanders campaigned, hillary clinton has not a lot of national people i work with to be a part of her campaign. most supporters are either on the fence are just completely

over it. some will possibly vote for trump. the motivation bernie sanders is about a revolution. not about a revolution but just encase it doesn't work out will go to the other side. most individuals will be sitting out the election everything but the president. neil: interesting. thank you very much. interesting catching up with you again. the economy did come up last night as well. roughly 1% rate of growth for you aim a little higher or if you are hillary clinton you point out where we were eight years ago in the middle of a meltdown. what are people seeing right now? what are you doing right now? are you buying anything right now? after this. looking for a medicare prescription drug plan

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>> i admire president obama. he inherited the worst financial crisis since the great depression. i was a terrible time for our country. we are back on the right track. he would send us back into recession with his tax plan. >> secretary clinton we are almost out of time. mr. trump, we are moving to the audience. >> -- our country -- >> we want to get to the audience. neil: technically they were both right. but we experienced eight years ago by to donald trump's point it is the slowest weakest recovery we've seen in american history. the former jcpenney chairman and ceo. when in doubt on this economic argument, what do you think? >> i think the general public will tell you that they are unhappy and that is why you see

a lot of people turning to these candidates like bernie sanders or trump. they are not happy with what washington has done for them. the average person has not experienced any success of the economy. i think we have had a very bad recession. it probably was the worst yet we also had the worst recovery of any recession we ever had. we are now in the seventh year of his term and we have a growth rate on average it will be the lowest. a lot of the things we did were certainly not helping the average worker. i think when you don't have new companies, new businesses starting him in the slowest we have over the last several years is where you're going to get the new jobs. that is not happening. that has to be a government tries to help. when you put it a health tax through the obamacare, that

makes it very difficult for people to start a business because they can't hire anybody over 30 hours without having the burden on them. neil: a lot of it in your eyes is getting rid of not so much a taxpaying and a lot of folks that maybe they can move. they could affect good last night. >> i think they spent too much time on a lot of miscellaneous issues. not talking about the bigger issues. there should've been more discussion on it. that's what do people want to know about. who is going to be the person who's going to be the person i can put my faith in and help me. donald has appealed to them because he has been a success. albeit he had a bankruptcy. not that many people come out of almost bankruptcy and do what he did. that shows you he can come back. i think she's got some good points. i don't think hillary has any

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neil: all right. i just want to bring you up-to-date on the killer bees surrounding me on this set. [laughter] you've seen them, right, guys? they are like, these are big things. now, at first i was blaming, you know, this is an msmbc set-up, and that was wrong of me. it's debbie. right, deb? [laughter] debbie has been providing me -- and she's a great makeup artist and a great, funny person. she makes this great cup of tea here. [laughter] but there's honey in it. and the honey has spilled over the side. the bees notice it, and there's a -- this one's doing a

backstroke in here. but -- [laughter] i don't want to do anything here, although it has -- i think it's making my heart flutter. but i'm okay. [laughter] she's going to kill me now. can you imagine what my makeup's going to look like in the next segment? well, it's such a beautiful day that big bees -- they're just bigger in missouri. they're significantly bigger in missouri. but the crew, of course, they're all stung and about dead now, so they don't realize it. but i guess i'm the last to fall. but we have tape. we have tape from last night, so i don't want you folks to worry at home. so, debbie, i'm okay. all right, news. that's right, news. i don't know if you were focusing on all aspects of the debate here, but one of the biggest things that came up was, not surprisingly, right at the beginning stuff from donald trump 11 years ago. this is going to be an interesting development with his running mate, mike pence, who almost kind of entered the

witness protection program. no one heard from him. went to a number of events that, all of a sudden post these comments, were just -- [inaudible] now he's in charlotte, north carolina, resuming his campaign but without a lot of party higher-ups to be part of it. so many of those party chieftains, including the likes of paul ryan, are saying we have to find a way to move on regardless of donald trump. in other words, vote your conscience. if you don't flip over the guy, you don't have to do much with the guy, and i'm wondering what kind of signal that sends. to dr. alveda king. i was thinking of you, alveda. do you get a sense that we are just not in any forgiveness mode here, and if that is the case, then republicans are not, are not going to warm up to donald trump, at least that group that never liked him in the first place and might be using this as an excuse to confirm that? >> hi, neil. i'm so glad to discuss this aspect.

you know, it's very important -- we could think back to the time with bill clinton and monica lewinsky, and it was absolutely terrible. he needed to repent. it was wrong. it was disgraceful to the white house. and yet everybody said let's impeach him, and everybody started pointing fingers. and my point was this, i'm almost like the woman at the well, woman caught in the act with the abortions and divorces and everything that god has forgiven me for. i'm living for jesus now. i said, but if you don't -- if you live in a glass house, don't do this, repent. they didn't do it. they just pointed fingers. and as we did that, we see many of them fell like dominoes. so my point is to all of our republican brothers and sisters who are now saying distance yourself, this is disgusting, if you've never sinned at all, if you've never done anything, okay. but if you have, this is a time to apologize yourself. i believe, you know, when mr. trump said i don't have anything to be forgiven for,

it's like god was chuckling and saying just watch how many times he'll apologize before this is over. but now america needs to apologize and repent. and so to distance rousters and act like -- ourselves and act like we never did anything is just not really true. am i giving him a pass? no. was the locker room conversation bad, the bible says don't let corrupt information come out of your mouth. but i called my son a little name the other day i had to repent. so we need to, let's -- you know, i'm voting pro-life. i'm voting for a good slate of supreme court justices. and that's where we need to be with. neil: you know, there was a lot of talk last night ahead of the debate that he had to apologize again. everyone says, oh, that's not a sincere apology. i don't know how much, how often, how strongly you can do that, but he tried to pivot -- and maybe effectively so -- by bringing all these women accusers to the debate to say i

might say one hinge, her husband has -- one thing, her husband has done quite another. when you see a battle going like that -- i call it the nuclear option where it's, no one survives. what do you make of that? >> well, what was so serious about those points that he was making, president clinton is not running against many trump, of course -- mr. trump, of course. but mrs. clinton, as the attorney for the man who was accused of raping the young lady -- neil: that's right. that 12-year-old girl. >> so he's pointing to that. and my point is mr. trump has not said this, but mrs. clinton makes the most beautiful appeal for children and young people, and yet she stands and says i support america's largest abortion provider. so we're going all the way up to nine months keep aborting the babies, but i love children. it's sod. and so when mr.-- so odd. when mr. trump comes back and says, well, you might say one thing, but you had 30 years to

fix it, i think we need to listen to that. the supreme court justices are my major interest and concern. i am voting pro-life. neil: what do you tell women who are offended? >> you know, women, locker room conversation is bad. i have four sons and six grandsons, and i'm on them all the time. they say such terrible things about girls sometimes, and i say that's somebody's daughter, mother, wife or wife-to-be, little girl who is going to grow up. you have to watch that. you have to regard me as your mother. and so my sons have a habit of saying all these bad jokes about women, we can't drive, we talk too much and all of that. i said, you must respect women. and so i think that it's time to leave all of that locker room communication, leave it alone. but i believe that the most important thing that we're going to have to consider is appointing those justices which will save everybody from the womb to the tomb.

ask that's the main point. do i give him a pass? no. he needs to watch his mouth, but i think he should have a chance to support those justices. neil: my mother would try that with me, but i actually liked it. one particular brand of soap, it wasn't so bad. alveda, thank you very, very much. i'm just joking. good to see you again. be well. >> it's good to see you, thank you. neil: all right. alveda king. you could see she was digesting that comment there. james woolsey is joining us now. ambassador, a lot has come up that has nothing to do with a tape of 11 years ago. one concerns all these wikileaks that are coming out including hillary clinton and what she was saying behind closed doors and what her advisers were telling r to fess up and do. a lot of them were security-arranged, lot deal with syrian refugees, doubts about the vetting process. i could go on and on about what she says about banks and behind

closed doors/in public, but the biggest thing on security issues is she's concerned. she's worried. she relays an alarm over the number of refugees we let in and how we're going through that, and all of this comes to light when we mistakenly allowed, you know, 800 who were not properly vetted. so i guess what i'm asking is, does -- what's the real hillary clinton? and for you, what would be -- if she became president -- the real president hillary clinton? >> neil, i don't know. let me tell you, i've told you before i think i'm pretty good sometimes at getting inside the heads of dictators and terrorists, but i have no capacity for advancing the understanding of american politicians. [laughter] i always reference that. neil: but you know what? i guess the reason why i raised it though is this issue about she was clearly -- now, they're dismissing a lot of these wikileaks saying that the russians did it, so they're

shooting the means by which these got out to us, not necessarily whether they're accurate or not. if hillary clinton was raising alarms about the refugees coming into this country and about whether we were going into the region with one arm tied behind our back and yet publicly saying she's confident the process we have in place is just fine, i don't know what she would do as president. i don't know what her real position would be. >> well, i think in a case like that, some confusion is understandable but sort of what i was referring to. i think it's -- the situation in that part of the world is terrible, and it's partly terrible because the obama administration decided to not draw its line in the sand and not keep assad from killing his own people with chemical weapons and shrug about the whole thing and hand it over to russia. and we now have the russians and

the iranians and the, and assad cooperating, and we are on the outside. we don't have nearly as much influence over what happens there for good or ill as we've had in the past. neil: now yet you have these iranian-backed rebels who are shooting on our ships now in the region -- >> right. neil: and they're disavowing that. certainly, the iranians are saying they don't know what's going on about that, but someone's agitating out there. >> well, i think the iranians are are involved with lying to infidels which is, for them, not just permitted, but recommended. i think they are, there's this, basically, a coalition in that part of the world, and we've been excluded from it really through our own choice, through

president obama's choice. it's a terrible situation. we, we're not treated with respect. they fly within 10 feet of our ships, russians or iranians, whether they fire -- take our sailors off a small boat and humiliate them, this is all very symbolic to people in that part of the world. and we are left to, basically, standing behind and saying, hey, hey, i'm here, i'm here, please pay attention to me. it's not the way to run things. neil: yeah. ambassador, thank you very, very much. i look forward to getting back with you. all right, we are focusing on governor mike pence, the republican vice presidential candidate. he'll be speaking to support -- in charlotte, north carolina. i'd be remiss if i didn't bring you up-to-date on the killer bee situation here in st. louis. a couple of you have been advising me on how to handle this.

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>> i've heard much worse than that. >> really? >> much worse than that in locker rooms.

neil: really? i don't know, that's -- what locker rooms are are you hanging out in? [laughter] >> much, much worse. people trying to magnify how macho they are. neil: that was a macho guy conversation there. anyway, the idea being that people and men say much worse in their own company than we heard there. i missed out on a lot, i'll just say that. but, i mean, my mother finally did say yes for the prom, but it took some cajoling. [laughter] welcome back, everybody. i'm neil cavuto here in st. louis where the bees are still attacking us. the crew has promised that if something happens, they'll jump to my defense, so i don't want you to worry about that. we are also focusing on governor pence. he's addressing this group in charlotte. we do want to monitor this once he gets up there, because he might be able to -- at least publicly, he's sent out tweets and comments online about

standing by his presidential candidate -- but this would be the first time on tape we could hear him talking about this. i do want to see if we can get this, there had been talk among others that he was sort of disinviting himself from these republican party functions. he says that's not the case, tweeted out congratulations to donald trump last night, and he has also relayed that he had a good long, nice conversation with donald trump last night. david malpass, if you don't mind, david, i do want to listen a little bit and get your reaction if you can hang on there. >> okay. >> for my wife and i to be with you here today. just a few short months ago that i accepted my party's mom nation to run -- nomination to run and serve as the next vice president of the united states of america. [cheers and applause] now, rhonda knows me well enough to know the introduction i prefer is a little bit shorter.

i'm a christian, a conservative and a republican, in that order, and it's an honor to be with all of you today. [applause] it truly is. before we get started though, let me encourage you in that vein and to remember our neighbors and friends, fayetteville and luck bearton -- lumberton and all across north carolina. the nation is remembering north carolina, your good governor, pat mccrory. [applause] thank you so much for the way that he and all of you have responded to hurricane matthew. it has been truly inspiring. but i have to tell you as i come before you today, it's been an interesting few days. but i gotta tell ya, i joined this campaign in a heartbeat, because you have nominated a man for president who never quits. [cheers and applause] who never backs down. he is a fighter, he is a winner, and we will make america great again when we make donald trump

the 45th president of the united states of america. [cheers and applause] you know, donald trump, i truly believe -- you saw it last night on that debate stage -- he literally embodies the spirit of america. strong, freedom-loving, independent, optimistic and willing to fight every day for what he believes in and what makes this nation great. [applause] you saw that on the stage last night. you know, it takes a big man to know when he's wrong and to admit it. and to have the i humility to apologize and be transparent and be vulnerable with people. and donald trump last nighting showed that he's a big man. [applause]

i was on television this morning on msnbc -- [laughter] i think it was that one. i was on a few. somebody is asked me about my faith though. they asked me about the fact that i say that i'm a christian. in the wake of the last few days, what i made of everything. and i'll tell you what, i welcomed the opportunity. other than, other than that woman standing next to me, my wonderful wife, karen, the most important decision in my life was when i made a decision for christ in 1978. it's made all the difference. [applause] and i was happy to explain on that television program that i'm a believer, and my faith informs me that we're to hold up a godly standard, and we're to aspire to live godly lives, but it also informs he that we all fall short.

we all fall short of the glory of god, that there's no one righteous. other than the one. you know, as i said last weekend, i don't condone what was said, and i spoke out against it. but the other part of my faith is i believe in grace. [applause] i've received it. [applause] i believe in it. [applause] i believe in forgiveness. and we're called to forgive as we have been forgiven, and last night my running mate, he showed the american people what was in his heart. [applause] he showed humility to the american people. and then he fought back and turned the focus to the choice that we face, and i'm proud to stand with donald trump. [cheers and applause] because i've got to tell you, everybody, this election, it's

not just -- [inaudible conversations] neil: all right. what is it about this campaign and microphones? all right. well, we heard enough there from governor pence to say that he is a christian first and foremost, and he forgives donald trump more that coarse language and the tape released 11 years ago and he stands by him. back with david malpass, trump economic adviser. david, has this issue been put to rest, do you think, and now in favor of the issues that obviously donald trump would prefer, that mike pence would prefer? because it seems like much of the party leadership isn't going along. what do you think? >> hi, neil. well, there's a few more weeks to the campaign. i hope we can talk a lot about the issues. as you look at the two choices americans face in the election, there's a huge distinction

between their approach on policy. i think also there's a dangerous on leadership. so, you know, when you're picking a president, you're picking someone who's going to lead the country for some years. trump has shown an ability to pick good people. look at mike pence, you're showing him now. and i think he will pick a leadership group that will be really strong and be able to engineer an upheaval of the government in washington. hillary clinton, on the other hand, is going to continue the current government, and that means slow growth, that means higher taxes, that means heavy regulation, small businesses are are under the gun all the time under that approach. so trump is going to be the change agent, and so i hope we can talk about that a lot. neil: you might get your chance, but it seems that many in your party are not willing to give him that chance, or they feel that, you know, he's just another tape away from more explosive comments. so when no less than someone

like paul ryan says the equivalent of the ted cruz vote your consign thing from the convention last summer, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement. is that right of him to do? >> no, but let's wait a few days and see how people coalesce after the debate. you know, the way the bad news came out on friday afternoon was, made it very hard. the media was all over it on friday and saturday -- neil: you're absolutely right about that. >> you can't condone. you speak out against him, and then you find a way to say what's really going to matter for america in the four-year time frame. trump, i think, did a good josh last night shifting -- job last night shifting to policies and making very clear obamacare is a failure. and she'll continue it and he won't. the tax system is a failure. he'll lower the rates and make

the system 1eu6r7ler, and she won't. regulatory policy, the same thing. he's going to make them work better for the country and for growth and for jobs, she's going to make them work worse. and so that's where the election is going, and i think that's the way the debate went last night -- neil: you might be right, but i just see -- david, but i think you're right on all these issues, but i just see this childishness for want of a better term. donald trump just tweeting out: palm ryan should -- paul ryan should not waste his time on fighting republican nominee. what do you think of that? >> wel think ryan is trying to hold onto t house, but there's also a lot of people in washington who are just trying to hold on to power and to the old system. they've done well in the old system. so one of the things for voters to try to think about is whether they want change and if they do

want change, who's going to help bring it. i think that's much more trump -- hillary clinton has basically said 2% growth is enough. trump is saying we need to double that in order to get jobs to change inner cities. and hillary clinton is just not even trying, that's my impression. neil: we'll watch closely. david, thanks more your patience as we broke away for that pence remark -- >> good to see you, neil. neil: same here. caitlin huey-burns, i was thinking about this, and sometimes it happens. i'm trying to play this out, this little battle back and forth for the heart and soul of the republican party. i'm shocked it's still going on. [laughter] but let's say donald trump wins and all these establishment or other republicans, whatever you want to call them, have kind of distanced themselves from him or not gone over backwards to help him. i would imagine they'll have more difficulty with people in his party than even the other

party. >> absolutely. i think win or lose republicans have been facing the prospect of how they come to terms with their own party in november. i do think now though just looking at the polling before all of this news broke over the weekend, donald trump was already behind nationally and in key battleground states. i think while the debate could have the effect of rallying the republican party base and donald trump supporters, still not enough to reach out and get the support that he needs. and he has actually really shown no interest this that. so given all of that, i to think that trump's path to the nomination is very difficult, and we saw basically an acknowledgment of that from paul ryan today saying do what you need to do to his members, let's offer a blank -- let's not offer a blank check to hillary clinton. which, as you know, was the strategy employed in 1996 when republicans saw bob dole heading

for a loss in the white house, and they moved their resources -- neil: well, all of a sudden that was very -- no, you mentioned the 1996 example where they just took money away from dole, what was meant for the presidential contest to focus on house and senate races, even some gubernatorial races. that had to hurt, obviously. but i just keep thinking that they might be, you know, whistling past the graveyard too soon. i see this poll that's out, "the wall street journal"/nbc poll prior to last night's debate that shows hillary clinton in a wide double-digit lead, but i also see a number of battleground states that are still within two or three points, hardly over with about a month to go. so i'm wondering if they're, you know, covering their hineys too quickly here. >> well, they've also endured the criticism of, you know, they have had many offramps from the nominee -- neil: yes. >> and they haven't taken them given all the controversies donald trump has stirred up. in talking to republican

strategists and such, the big concern among them is this idea of what comes next, what else is out there. and if you don't distance yourself now, you know, what potential fallout do you face later? but another really key point here is the reason that house speaker paul ryan and other republican leaders have been reluctant to completely sever ties from the nominee is because they know they need his voters in the fall, right? for a lot of these competitive districts, they need trump's supporters to show up up and down the ballot. that has also played into the calculation of whether to cut ties do -- neil: yeah, but you know what i think? you're the expert here, but i think i read a prompter well, so i qualify as well. and i think this is going to be a problem for them. they're going to all of a sudden sort of thread the needle here to keep his supporters happy even though they're dissing the guy they love. not good. that's generally not a wise strategy. >> exactly. but i also think there are a lot

of questions up in the air right now, and we're we're waiting later today the rnc is going to meet with its members and decide their approach for the next 30 days, whether they will indeed move resources down ballot or keep focusing on the presidential race. that remains to be seen. just a lot of questions going on right now that the republican party is dealing with. neil that'll all right. we look forward to raiding this one with you back in new york, caitlin, thank you very much. i guess i should have added if i get back to new york, because there's no guarantee with all these killer bees here. but, i mean, obviously, you know, it's not like debbie, my makeup artist, has it out for me. yeah, they're still doing the backstroke in this -- all right. [laughter] i'm okay. i don't want you to worry about me, america. i'll be here. ♪ ♪ >> challenging times mt. life of men and women in our communities large and small.

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tit-for-tat from paul ryan and donald trump, zinging each other. it has not gotten cozier. george pataki was urging republicans to reconsider mr. trump. i wonder how he feels now. governor, nice having you. >> neil, nice to be on with you. neil: what do you make of this? donald trump is telling paul ryan and others get over it. where do you stand? >> it is not a question of getting over it, but question of surviving a horrific candidate, someone unfit to be president of the united states. by the way neil, i could talk about either one of them, but hillary or trump. but his last tape piles on the sense that a majority of americans feel he is unfit to be president. and as republican i'm going to vote -- neil: he apologized for that three times. he apologized for three times. i'm sure do you forgive people? >> sure. that was one of the most insincere apologies.

locker room talk. i've been in a lot of locker rooms and i never heard anything like that. but moving on, neil, the sad thing is that hillary clinton is unfit. she has made that plain year after year, but we have a candidate who can not beat her. if he got out of the way, mike pence i think would beat her by double digits, even starting this late, even with early balloting having begun. if we stick with trump, we have a really serious chance of losing the house, losing the senate, not just electing hillary but giving her control of congress so she can ram through her supreme court nominees. neil: there is no procedure for that, governor. >> yes there is. neil: i talked to lawyers around constitutionalists that said there isn't. say especially if donald trump didn't step down. >> well i think what he did last night is maybe stopped the titanic from sinking immediately but he is still going to sink i

fear he will take too many republicans with him. so i'm going to wrote, write in mike pence. i will try to convince every other voter to make sure we vote for every republican candidate for the house and senate. and you know, just pray for the best. but we have to reflect on this our party can't be a party -- neil: your party did, governor. >> no i don't think so, i know how you personally feel about it. they nominated him. they nominated him. all of sudden tape comes out 11 years old, not saying for or against, hey, it is what it is. you can't dig up another candidate. >> we have mike pence. but you have to learn. we have to learn -- neil: 400,000 people have voted governor. 400,000 people have voted. millions of ballots have already been printed across the country. >> 400,000 people in a country with 330 million. i think if the republicans could get a do-over we would do it in a flash. can't get a do-over but could step aside. mike pence is there. at least we would hold the house and senate and pence i think had

he had the time to start earlier, would have won easily, i still think he would hillary i think a majority of the american people know that both donald trump and hillary clinton are unfit to be president of the united states. we need another choice. neil: all right. but what happens if he does win? if donald trump wins, besides you never ever getting a single white house invite, the whole republican party will be more at war with itself if he wins than if he loses? >> i don't wish either of these two candidates on the american people but what i do hope is that we continue to hold the house and senate. you know, just trump now tweeting anti-paul ryan stuff is such nonsense and so juvenile. he can't help himself. well, the american people can help themselves, write-in mike pence or try to convince trump for the interest of himself and this country, get out of the way. let a republican win and let this country move forward. i was watching where governor

pence was saying this should be about security and prosperity. he is absolutely right. it should be about security and prosperity and on both those issues overwhelming majority of americans would vote republican and reject hillary but that is not what it is about. it is about donald trump and -- neil: did you watch the debate last night? did you watch the debate last night? >> i did watch it, neil? neil: how did he do? >> i think he was awful and she was worse. you know, which just reflects on the two candidates. it has been a race to the bottom. they both gotten there. and now it's a question who candying a deeper hole in the bottom. and if i had to bet it would be donald trump sadly, not because of the republican party. he was never a republican until recently. he is not a conservative. his philosophy is all about himself and making money. that is not what my party stands for. neil: all right. i understand where you're coming from. you're a decent man, governor, you guys are developing a circular firing squad the likes

of which i don't think i've seen in a long, long time. >> it is about survival, neil. the republican party needs to reject this bringing gotted candidate. neil: governor, how do you survive a circular firing squad? >> by electing majority again in the house. electing a majority in the senate again. and hopefully, enough people leaning on trump that he steps aside and mike pence can win it. by the way if he doesn't, i will write in mike pence. he is a decent man. should have been our nominee. if he had been he would have won easily. neil: we shall see. governor, always a pleasure. >> thank you, neil. neil: all infighting back and forth of the republican party. what if debate numbers look good. what if poll numbers turn around? history suggests often times when you're doing well your critics sort of go by the wayside. why donald trump is hoping for just that and why he just might get it. more after this.

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>> did you use the 960 million-dollar loss to avoid personal income taxes? >> of course i do. of course i do. so do all of her donors or most of her donors. i know many of her donors. >> i have been in favor of getting rid of carried interest for years, starting when i was senator from new york. that is not the point here. >> why didn't you do it? >> because i was senator with a republican president. >> you could have it, if you were an effective senator you could have done it. neil: whatever you want to say about this carried interest thing at issue is donald trump and large loss in 1995 whether he did anything untoward or illegal, if he did not pay taxes for years.

the fact of the matter, whatever your thoughts, nothing is illegal, depreciation allowances or such, you can write off loss number of years over income you generate. warren buffett coming along to say today when his name was mentioned in debate he takes advantage of the same provisos in the tax law, he said that he has done nothing illegal. that wasn't issue. none of this is illegal. it is the tax code the way it exists. maya mcginnis, joins us, committee for responsible federal budget. we can complain all we want how you can find clever ways to avoid taxes but none of them are illegal, right, unless we change them, right? >> no. the problem is that our tax code is a disaster that has been known for years, both on the business side and the individual side. our tax code is so filled with deductions, exemptions, exclusions, credits, there is all sorts of things that you can do. we know that the rich and

businesses with the big accountants are able to take advantage of those different tax opportunities. we see things like corporations going overseas, not because it is illegal because that is what the silly tax system that we have in this country incentivizes people to do. so instead of fighting about kind of what people are doing with the tax code, which i think every tax accountant and every tax lawyer would probably interpret differently, we need to talk about tax reform, and that should be one of the major pillars of this campaign. how will we reform the tax code? i would say in a way that would get rid of some of those tax breaks, bring down tax rates, and, raise more revenue to help with the physical challenges but we're not having those big policy discussions as anybody who watched the debate last night is well aware. neil: no, obviously, if you have the means, you can find the depreciation allowance that will benefit you but i think what donald trump is trying to say

last night, i know this tax code. i know it very, very well. but does that mean that he can make the point, if it turns out he hasn't paid taxes? perfectly legally but he hasn't paid taxes for many years? what do you think? >> yeah. so i think the point that we need to focus on how do we fix the tax code so the way you make money in this country isn't by taking advantage of all the tax breaks because that is not actually producing goods, producing services that will help grow our economy. simplifying the tax code dramatically by getting rid of tax breaks, so it is not a game people can be playing would be step number one. i also think donald trump made a point last night we're one of the highest taxed countries in the world. may feel like it, but it is not actually true, compare us to the one of the taxed countries around the world. we're one of the lowest taxed countries. that doesn't mean we should be more like europe or other places but the point our overall tax

take is smaller, what is high is the business tax rate. it is second highest in the world. business taxes reform i would put way up there as important priority, because in order to compete globally, we have to have a business tax code that makes nse. i think one of the areas democrats and republicans could find some common ground. neil: no, no, you just read my mind. i think they're a lot more aligned on this subject than you get from a presidential debate but we'll watch how they sort it out because we're in the middle of drama season. we'll see what happens. thank you very much for joining us. >> yep. neil: do want to take a look at corner of wall and broad. the dow is up 100 points. has a lot to do with oil. the dow is dominated by ol'-related issues, they are very smartly here. so the bottom line is you're going to be paying more at the pump but corner of wall and broad they like the fact it's a sign in their eyes the economy could be percolating.

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their first debate at hofstra university in new york. but keep in mind nbc was oa green bay packers giants game. why, i have no idea. packers and giants. so bottom line, even with that, still respectable, 59 million. record ratings for fox business network. we're not ones to brag. i'll tell you more about that later. charlie gasparino now. charlie -- >> i'm not one to brag either. i'm not one to brag either that i called this from weeks and weeks ago. i'm not going to brag that cnbc screwed this story up. here is what happened, neil, and pretty much in a nutshell. we have been reporting at the fox business network for a year that twitter has been showing itself and having a hard time finding people to buy it at the current levels given the dynamics and metrics of its business which is slower user growth. just like inability for people to figure out how to use the date that that twitter has in a profitable way. thus twitter is not a profitable company. buyers are looking at this and walking away.

a couple weeks ago cnbc put out a report that, okay, now there was people finally stepping up to the plate, going to buy it. the stock went up something like 20%. it was close to $25 a share. i doubt the veracity of that report. i don't know who put it out. i'm just telling you that people sniff around on deals all the time and they have been sniffing on this for a year. they made it sound over at cnbc this thing was about to be sold. it clearly isn't. does that mean it won't be sold? i think it will be sold at some point but it will not be sold at these levels apparently because it is hard to make money off it if you buy it for something like 15 to $20 billion, which is where the market cap has been trading lately. that is where we are right now. neil: who would be interested buyers if there are any albeit at much lower rates? >> all the up withs that walked away. they're interested at some level.

salesforce.com which is a b to c cloud computing company. google, facebook, apple, they would all like it at some point. maybe even news corporation like us at some price would see the value here because twitter is a big-time news feed. disney is another one interested. alphabet is the holding company for google. neil: right. >> they're all kind of interested to say, i think the problem with covering this company to say someone is interested to jack the stock price up you have to be really careful. most people look under the hood on this thing walk away. maybe somebody is crazy enough to buy it. that is not what i'm hearing right now. neil: all right. charlie, called it. and that other network did not. >> that's what i say to them. neil: more after this. indeed.

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neil: 59 people -- not the 90 hole.

59 million -- we don't know what the heck happened here watch the second presidential debate. it doesn't make the top five who's competing with the gain that nbc was carrying so tonight donald trump of a larger viewership for what was a good night. trish regan will sort that out later on. how are you doing? trish: i'm doing well. how you doing? it was a late night for all of us. especially for you. neil: and i have killer bees to deal with here, trish beard trish: i didn't realize that. are they also mean around you? neil: daddy to make up artist has been unloading on me. trish: stay safe and we look forward to seeing you back in nyc. the republican party in total chaos as house speaker paul wright will not defend donald