>> announcer: fox business network's coverage of the final presidential debate hosted by the fox business channel at the university of las vegas. here is neil cavuto. neil: if you bite argument donald trump and hillary clinton have split the first two debates, this one will be crucial. the trend in recent american history is whoever loses the first debate goes on to win the last two. barack obama was beaten badly by mitt romney in the first debate. donald trump hopes to do the reverse for republicans tonight.

a pressure cooker for him because he trails in all conventional polls. most guests are already in place. we have interesting reads on who is in that audience. it's not quite all the folks you would expect. some surprises from donald trump and the hillary clinton folks. connell? reporter: with donald trump trailing in the polls coming in, this is seen by some as his best chance to mount a comeback with millions of viewers getting set to tune in. hillary clinton should be on her way over soon as well. we have seen some of their top surrogates make their arrivals. mrs. clinton on her guest list has mark cuban here. meg whitman, harry reid of

nevada, and we are told by campaign officials having cuban and whitman on the guest list may be a sign mrs. clinton plans to take a few shots at donald trump's business past. the trump list is getting more attention because malik obama, the president's half brother is expected to be here along with pat smith, the benghazi mom. there is a theme emerging for mr. trump on benghazi. expect the fiance of ambassador chris stevens who has written a book to also be here this evening. sarah palin will be here on trump's behalf. kareem abdul jabar on mrs. clinton's behalf. a former arkansas tv reporter went public on breitbart that

bill clinton assaulted her years ago. all that is a side show to the main event of the evening. mrs. clinton will get the opening question. no opening or closing statements. neil: this is confirmed by republican officials and democrats that the candidates can bring whatever they want -- whoever they want. clinton accusers were allowed in. mike murray said they can't control the guest list. maybe where they are seated, but not who comes which is interesting. >> in the past debates it's been split one-third, one-third, one-third. and the university, you get some

student in a lottery. there is a lot of negotiating. mr. bill clinton be in the room? if he were in the room, who would he shake hand with. strange times. neil: connell mentioned, just shaking hand. you might remember the beginning of the last debate they skipped shaking hands, some say because they might have been nervous. or maybe it's because they hate each other. lou dobbs with me right now. listening to your fine show, we were intrigued by the polls. the consensus is the pressure is on him. but the pressure is equally on hillary clinton because whatever you buy about these polls, it's not so much her surging as donald trump dropping.clinton tn

her equilibrium which she obviously lost in the second debate. and most people believe donald trump won that debate as we noted here. it will be interesting to see how she adjusts to what she knew would be a bit of a shock attack going into it, whether it be the third of this new emergence of another alleged victim her husband when he was governor of arkansas. there are all of the wikileaks. the information that right now is portraying her campaign, the state department under her, and the legacy she left is being utterly corrupt. it will be a difficult night in all likelihood for her. her record is the fresher, the newer, hers the breach of public

trust is quite something different and that will have to be judged by voters. neil: a lot of people in the trump campaign say these numbers under state their popularity it's another brexit-type deal. what do you think? lou: i talked with nigel farage. it's hard to judge this thing because the numbers as we know, we have outliers everywhere. you can pick your grouping. to see 20% undecided. we have seen a slight improvement in the most recent fox news poll of 1 points whether it's the head-to-head or four-way race. these are difficult polls to get a handle on. i'm not sure any of them are telling us the exact picture. if we have 20% undecided we have a volatile situation in terms of

how the support for the candidate will swing. >> you are right about that. 20% does seem high at this stable of the game. but it can account for why in arizona of all places we had donald trump trailing in that largely republican state. and that can spell some problems for john mccain running for reelection. 20% is a little high. i want lanny davis, former special council to president clinton. lanny, good to see you. without getting into the details of the wikileaks. one thing i did notice is the public hillary versus the emailing hillary or remarks that leak out about what she told wall street types. that person is actually intriguing to me. she seems to be open to trade deals, she seems to be open to

open and unfettered trade. she teams to like capitalists. she acknowledges in a campaign year those guys will get past. but she seems pragmatic. who ended up being a good friend to wall street. i want to believe the emailing hillary and not the hillary on the stump. am i right or wrong? >> i think they are the same person. but i understand there will be is subtlety in politics. i'm a liberal democrat and proudly so, from franklin roosevelt. my dad taught me government plays an important note creating a safety net. i'm also a capitalist and believe in the private market is more different than government. but i favorite affordable care act as does hillary clinton. she did favor nafta and now recognizes there are lots of holes in the nafta that need to

be filled. the tpp looked good on paper until the details got negotiated. now she wants to fix both affordable care act and the tpp. neil: i understand, but those two positions show a political savviness and to say she like the it first but then on the stump recognized the pressure bernie sanders to say she didn't like it. it shows two other clintons. i'm not saying she would be the first politician to have two different points of view. i'm saying it's a little glare. >> i get your point and i certainly am glad lou dobbs isn't sitting next to me but will get all over me when we try to be a little bit so other than being black and white. the hillary clinton i know for 47 years has not changes one iota in this respect.

facts, facts matter to her. her conclusions and solutions are often bipartisan. one of her closest friends in the u.s. senate, somebody who is running for reelection so i don't want to hurt his chances, a republican conservative told me republican senators considered hillary clinton to be the best democrat to work with because she sought common ground. as president if she is elected, we'll find a bipartisan presidency and you will find bipartisan -- newell. neil: doesn't it depend on that ability and willingness for compromise could be held back if it looks like in that case she wins big, take the house and the senate with her. she would have little interest in compromising. >> no, i don't agree. the way this country must be

governed is purple. neil: i know that, but that's not how it's gone. >> unfortunately both sides are responsible for polarization. >> fair enough. >> i think barack obama outreached to john boehner and was this close to a deal on cutting the budget and we can blame both parties. i think barack obama tried and i think hillary clinton will try as well. my knowledge of her throughout the years. she made the comment that there are public and private positions. that doesn't mean duplicity. it's possible to negotiate privately and not do it publicly, and that's what she meant. >> you are out there and ted dan zen is in the debate hall. >> a great hillary supporter. go ted. neil: awesome. thank you, my friend.

lanny davis, former special council to former president bill clinton. reince priebus, the republican national committee chairman. when it comes to this debate, it ends tonight. the campaign continues. but how he is shepherding this process and making sure everyone stays on message. everyone in the republican party. more from las vegas after this.

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neil: jesse jackson and and host others it's filled with a third clinton supports and a third trump supporters and a third students from unlv it's an historic events. some of these people may not look excited. but trust me you can cut the tension with a knife. holy cow. look at the poker phase. reince priebus is here. he heads the democratic national

committee. it's a great training grounds for being secretary of state. during primary season you had the pressure and the weight of the world on you. establishment figures in the party didn't flip over this guy trump. so there does seem to be a feeling going into this last debate that party is not all together. paul ryan and donald trump are fighting. what is going on? >> i don't think that they are fighting. i think what you have is -- i think there is some things going on that some candidates or some folks out there they weren't on board with. but it doesn't mean they are not on board with making sure donald trump becomes the next president and hillary clinton is unfit for the presidency. there is no doubt about it. this wasn't a normal primary season. it was an unbelievable topsy-turvy endeavor.

that's part of being chairman of the party. neil: it really turned when the video of donald trump came out from 11 years ago. >> i think -- i'm not suggesting you are mischaracterizing anything. what paul was affirming -- neil: the wisconsin events was canceled. >> it was canceled in the light of the friday night video. here is what i'm telling you. paul ryan is not doing anything different than what john boehner did. neil: the goal is to keep the republican majority in the house. >> that's his job. it's no different than any other speaker of the house. i can assure you, i was with mitt romney a lot, not as much but john boehner wasn't running

around the bus with in mitt romney. john boehner was worried about keeping the house. neil: but he wasn't joke am saying focus on your race. >> this is coming down to three weeks. we have a binary choice in this election. and hillary clinton has been tested on foreign policy. and she failed the test. neil: how much will this move the needle? what will have to happen? >> i think it's an important night for both candidates to set the table for the next 2 1/2 weeks, 20 weeks, 19 days, whatever we have got left it's also important for donald trump to make sure he pivots and reminds the american people in all of these areas. form policy, she has went in middle of these issues and she failed. whether it be obamacare or single payer, she failed.

neil: do you agree with him that it's a rigged system? >> i agree it's important to hit the issues and pivot. the media has been outrageous. >> most people concur. but you don't think the voting is rigged, do you? >> here is what i do think. i have dealt with voter fraud my entire life. i grew up in wisconsin. the milwaukee police department put out a 70-page report about voter irregularities about things happening and failing in milwaukee. if voter fraud was a figment of people's imagination why put out a report. neil: do you think it's right for a candidate to say if i lose it's because it's a rigged system.

>> i don't think that's what he's saying. neil: you think if he loses he could congratulate hillary clinton? >> i do. >> in many places around this country there is cheating that goes on. our party position is we want to make it easy for people to vote and hard to cheat. tell me why many states are passing laws for voter identification and voter registration? why? neil: democrats interpreted that as trying to rig the system. >> i'm not going to sit here on a show and declare voter fraud doesn't occur because it does. >> just to be clear it's more or less the way it's covered. because there is this disparity. >> that's why when you ask me the question i tried to break it down.

neil: this guy has had no sleep. it's tough on both sides. you look worse. i just didn't have the heard to say it. neil: my next guest has a message for republicans. we are talking about ben carson. stick with us. he's our guy. more from vegas after this.

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offensive family members they try to separate. it doesn't always work out. the dlin tn accusers were able to come into the debate and organizers were upset when they found out how close they were sitting to the clinton family. texas congressman mike mccaul is with me. congressman, great to see you. you were actually working and preparing donald trump on foreign policy, right? >> on national security issues, foreign policy. >> how did he do? >> he understands it. he understands hillary is the architect of the failed foreign policy. that destabilized a iraq and syria and northern africa and libya. it caused so much chaos in the region, and it's led to hundreds

of thousands of people being killed and millions of people being displaced. everything she has touched in the foreign policy setting has turned into a disaster, whether it be the lack of staffs of forces in iraq. we saw what happened. al qaeda and iraq became isis. neil: you always hear these stories, trump doesn't care and he doesn't listen to advice. >> he listened to this. he realized she created the vacuums. he understands with she has the reset button with mr. putin. that didn't work out too well. stick to those issues, stick to the kinds of things people want to know about non-personal attacks.

>> stick to her. stick to how she has failed in foreign policy and snagsal security. created a more dangerous world and more of a threat to the homeland. i think jobs and the economy. that's what people want to hear about. how are you going to be commander-in-chief to protect americans and create more jobs. >> what if she raises a scuffle with paul ryan and republicans who for one reason or another are not keen on donald trump. the party is divide on donald trump. many have left donald trump. >> part of this is a fabrication by the press to make it look like republicans are against -- >> a lot of people are divorcing from him. >> the republicans who and on the sidelines in this election, if hillary becomes president of the united states, there will be a price to pay by the republican electorate out there. neil: what about the rank and file.

would you take that wrath out on paul ryan? >> paul is a good friend of mine. we adopted a better way forward. so has the nominee. but i think it's important we unify as a party. the takes are too high. tax, regular nation, national security and the supreme court. >> my message is republicans can't sit this one out. it's too important. neil: the polls are all over the map. one has texas pink and not red, the same was said about georgia. is that true? >> i don't buy it. is it tightening? possibly. i was just in texas. i talked to a lot of my constituents. they are unified behind trump. >> it used to be a democratic

state. >> did you ever see him come back? >> the demographics are change. we need better outreach to hispanics. he is expecting to. he's on univision and he d and telemundo. neil: thanks for taking time. about 30 minute away from the big debate. much has been made of what the big donors are doing. donald trump was meeting with some of the party's biggest donors. ♪

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neil: in the debate hall you can see scott baio. you have ted danzen. some hollywood luminaries are there. i give up trying to explain what's going on in there. look, each candidate is welcome to their own invite list. they can put in anyone they feel like. if someone feels there is something payback to have the pillow guy in there, have at it. it's about 24 minute away from the start of the third and final debate. you always see these polls that seem to show the pressure is more on donald trump than anyone else. donald trump was meeting with fundraisers here in las vegas.

char are you gasparino is here to talk about that. you might have heard a guest or two talk about republicans who were not on board with donald trump. i guess i have to add ben stein to that list. the tapes sealed the deal for ben stein. he and a host of other republicans said no way. charlie: i don't think donald trump convinced them to step up more than they stepped up. the numbers are pretty revealing. clinton raised three times more than donald trump. the republican donor base if you beat them up and attack the establishment republicans. i never thought paul ryan was so establishment. he was a young gun, and now he's establishment. because he doesn't like

something that donald trump said about women, he attacks paul ryan. neil: these guys are saying don't go after them. is that why they are closing up? >> he sent an email to stop with the nonsense and go back to the issues. it's a little too late but we'll see what happens. >> this idea republicans are upset and angry. he's the only guy we got. he's our nominee. let's stick together and do it for the good of the party. you say what? >> i say he's an extremely flawed nominee and not' of a human being in terms of character but he may still be better than mrs. clinton. it breaks my heart to think of pulling a lever for mr. trump when he's not a very nice and descent human being.

-- decent human being. but in terms of his crassness and crudeness, i think he's way, way up there. when i was a young lad long before you were born, we haded a lie stevenson and dwight eisenhower running for office. now we have these two creeps. it makes my blood run cold. >> one thing, ben, i think what they are worried about with donald. this is where they are freaked out. this is a guy that isn't taking this that seriously. he generally doesn't prepare. he doesn't know a lot of the issues. neil: he prepared enough to probably win the debate. by the way, on issues she held her own with him. and i think -- >> but i necessity heard you say

a nice thing about donald trump. i said that donald trump is a junk yard dog. i was the first, ben, mark my word, on this network when he first came count case later i said donald trump is a junkyard dog and this is going to be insane. i like the guy, i have known him for many years. neil: i want to get your sense, and maybe you can help me with it. you heart consensus it's too late for him. we heard a lot about the surveys. ohio decided to vote 20%. that can't be. he feels they are misrepresenting where he is. >> i think it's too late for him. he threw away chance after chance after chance.

if he had done what mr. farage told him to do and stuck to the issues i think he would have won in a walk. she is a very, very poor candidate and not a likeable person at all. but he proved himself as incapable of running a serious campaign. neil: we don't know. he won't come on the show, he doesn't like me. that's okay. >> then there is something wrong with him. neil: tell me about it. >> badge of honor, my friend. neil: do you buy this argument that trump is make being the passionate supporters. the people that support him? it's likes brexit, like the columbia vote that was supposed to be ratifying the deal with the rebels there. we missed it.

charlie: the polls has leaving the e.u. up. then they came back it was -- then i narrowed again. so the polls were essentially right. it was the bookies that missed it. that's what most people when i was there, i coughed it. the polls were saying brexit was going to lose. neil: thatles cop down to that basic issue. do you buy the votes? they have been wrong across the world at some key events. the colombia accord with the rebels it was supposed to be rubber stamped and they rejected it. that's the under current. >> that can be wrong. but a margin of this size in favor of mrs. clinton, i think it would be unprecedented for a margin of this size to be

mistaken. it's extremely large at this point. it breaks my heart. i would have loved to see a conservative president or even ultra conservative, but i think at this point the ship has sailed. charlie: i agree. i heard through the grapevine there is a poll commissions looking at undecideds and their view of the james o'keefe tape. the poll is 2/3 done. i think we'll get a result in a day or so. of those undecideds they weren't moved by the james o'keefe tape showing the dnc was looking to do voter fraud. i could be wrong. these are snapshots. >> it depend on how many people get to see those tapes. this might shock you but the whole world doesn't watch fox. charlie: not fox business?

>> neil, if i may i so, from the very beginning mr. trump said this election was rigged and your charles payne said the media would be doing a block attack for mrs. clinton. a one party media will give us a clinton victory. if they had covered mrs. clinton's misdeeds 1/10 as much as they did donald trump she would lose. but they didn't. neil: it's running 10-1, the coverage. thank you very much. i think they are saying will the owner of a light cordova, the lights are on in your car.

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neil: hillary clinton arrived moments ago. bill clinton as well. we learned more about who is on

each candidate's guest list. democratic operatives the video instructs democrats how to incite violence at trump events. mixes with hollywood stars, scott baio and james o'keefe. they can invite whoever they want. back in the debate hall, they are outlining what you can expect tonight. they go through the drill where they tell you not to applaud, not to interrupt things. then they outline what is good behavior for a crowd. you can't shout or throw objects. that's generally a good rule of thumb and everyone should be very -- times like at rowdy basketball games it can quickly goat other way. so we'll see. chris wallace there.

i doubt it will. we'll keep an eye on it. i love crist to death. trish regan joins me. everyone is saying the pressure is on donald trump because he's the guy down in the polls. he's got to get some momentum going. what do you think? >> this is his last opportunity. to try and convince some of those independent voters right now. he made strides last time around. the first time he could have done better. but he improved the second time. the question is how much improvement is there going to be tonight. is he going to be able to attack -- and i use that word somewhat measured. bring up some of her weaknesses while simultaneously stressing what he will do to improve the

economy. neil: he seemed to have gotten church-goers back in hisser oner after not having them in hisser oner. that's a fluid situation, i understand. but he might be looking at the under pinnings saying i see a lot of classic developments. >> this is despite the whole page that came out with the inappropriate language. the bottom line is it points to her vulnerabilities as a candidate. i don't think they would be having this problem if they put joe biden up. neil: the polls aren't so much her surging as trump dropping. >> true, and there are still a lot of people undecided. the trump camp will say the

polls aren't accurately reflecting what people think. there are a lot of people who don't want to admit when they are asked. >> all right. thank you, trish, have, very much. the co-chair of the debate commission is spelling out the rules. chris wallace is the only guy who knows the questions. no one else knows them. more from las vegas after this. ♪ well, if you want to sing out, sing out ♪ ♪ and if you want to be free, be free ♪ ♪'cause there's a million things to be ♪ ♪ you know that there are

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one and only debate with carter and reagan it did, most concluding debates rarely do. so what do you think of that? >> well i think it is interesting because in a debate which we won't have opening and closing arguments per se, it is all the more important for them to make theirselves felt by particularly the independents in this country who are going to likely determine the outcome of the race, to make themselves felt and strongly. no one is better equipped to do that in my opinion donald trump because he has the more powerful personality. he has, i think, the better messaging. we'll he see about that. and it is going to be incumbent upon her to resist the tide and onslaught and establish her own message, convincingly. neil: you know, kennedy, you had a chance, and obviously when you're in the spin room and talk to people when they come out beforehand they always try to undersell their candidate.

>> yeah. neil: the other guy has much more going for them, but afterwards they point out how brilliant their guy did. what is your sense, what people you talked to in the room tonight? >> i had a conversation with jennifer paul -- pal my airy, expects donald trump to go full scorched either. she is inviting that. and with all the important independent voters lou talked about. we spoke to reince priebus in the spin room and i had a chance to speak with him. he said donald trump had a very serious day today. he expects his nominee to come in with much more data, to be more prepared with hard facts to reach out to those voters still undecided. we don't know which donald we'll see tonight. a lot of people think since it is the last debate he will burn this place to the ground.

that remains to be seen. neil: kennedy, thank you. chris wallace talking to the audience. big moment for fox. first time fox news anchor host has moderated a presidential debate at this level. think about it, trish. he has a lot of pressure on him. moderators have been never come off without getting criticized. >> clearly a no-win situation for so many moderators. he, i am confident we'll be very fair. however, and there will be important issues discussed tonight, substantive issues that need to be discussed. it is up for candidates to take it in whatever direction they will take it in but i can be certain chris will deliver on his end. neil: quickly, lou. chris sad it is not his job to be the correct tore, not his job to interrupt candidates of the if he stickses to that what do you think of that? >> i think it is the right judgment by chris, neil.

this is the third and final debate. a lot has been established, his questions, intelligently insightfully posed as i'm sure they will be will require much of these candidates. i think that will be more than sufficient. neil: we shall see. thanks, guys. chris wallace, spelling it all out. we are about to begin. announcer: this is fox business network's coverage of the final presidential debate hosted by the fox news channel. live from the university of nevada in las vegas, here is neil cavuto. neil: all right. fox host chris wallace has already outlined what is at stake tonight minutes away from the final debate. i'm joined by my colleagues, trish reagan, kennedy and lou dobbs. it is an interesting choice of guests. they can invite pretty much whomever they want. i was surprised to here mike