drumming for trump in the uk, four to one. they say still only 20% chance of winning according to their numbers, but that percentage is rising. stuart: that is fascinating. parallel with "brexit." >> undoubtedly. stuart: we're out of time. neil cavuto standing by to take it away. neil? neil: think about it, stuart. in order to have that "brexit" comparison you have to be within the margin of error. right now, depending on national polls he is outside that. even if you had the full "brexit" sort of effect would it close the gap you know? stuart: that's true. neil: that is out there. stuart: you're right. it would not close the gap at this moment. i think you're right, neil. neil: no. no. so a lot more people, stuart refer to these polls in colombia after the leadership there scored a agreement with colombian rebels they thought it would be rubber stop manied by the elector. favored to pass 35% margin.

that would be more dramatic example. it was ultimately defeated by electorate. anything can happen. "brexit" comparison, just to see that filled, the polls would have to tighten up. they might. we have 19 days to go. that does not look like it is happening, i stress for the time-being. welcome everybody, here in las vegas where we're sort of gauging the morning after, and i'm trying to push this into multiday event. i really like las vegas and not just for the breakfast buffets though don't get me started. one of the things we can tell you right now, both campaigns are doing the postdebate spin. we expect to hear from donald trump shortly. he is speaking in delaware ohio, that is battleground states he is polling quite well. one of the few battleground states that is the case for him. things can change, what stuart was saying earlier, polls could be, underreporting his strength. that has been the trump

campaigns lament throughout this process. we'll see where they stand with that. probably, like i say in 19 days. meantime, blake burman spells out the post-effect of the last and final debate. hey, blake. reporter: hi there, neil, so much focus is coming on one comment donald trump made in particular. you remember leading up to the debate how donald trump talking about, he felt there was rigged election. for most part he was talking about how the media was in the bag for hillary clinton you but in the last few days, the last week or so, he broadened that out to large-scale voter fraud. well that led chris wallace to ask trump this question here listen. >> i want to ask you here on the stage tonight, do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely, sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election? >> i will look at it at the time. >> are you saying you're not prepared now to commit to that principle? >> what i'm saying i will tell you at the time. i will keep you in suspense. reporter: that is generating all

headlines this morning or many of them. trump's campaign manager kellyanne conway was out on all morning shows and she seemed to suggest at least, should the results be verified and certified, then at that point trump would accept whatever the results would be. >> with respect to the rigged system, and the certification results, he basically is saying that until he knows, you can lay out any hypothetical. until he knows results are certified and verified he will not completely concede an unknown. reporter: as far as reaction to all of this, this is all across the board. even some republicans are jumping in to criticize trump for his comments, just to give you a couple here. senators jeff flake and lindsey graham, who have been very skeptical of trump throughout, did the following. flake said it was beyond the pale. lindsey graham says if trump loses because he failed as candidate. neil, many are pointing out, including republicans, wait, wait, this talk about election results.

remember what happened in 2000 with al gore? hanging chads, attorneys, united states supreme court justices. we know what happened then. we'll see potentially what happens here in 19 days with trump. neil? neil: well, it's a good point. there wasn't much media outrage at the time when al gore was challenging that, perfectly valid reasons. that was then. not the case now. blake burman, thank you very very much. those comments seemed to be wiping out what other inroads donald trump was experiencing in the debate. whether that is premature or people missing fact or media missing fact maybe donald trump scored on other levels, that there were other issues brought up in this debate after all. let's the read with tara rosencrans, democratic strategist out of washington d.c. ned ryan, former bush 43 presidential writer, adam goodman, big trump supporters. very good in machinations of this campaign. adam, many look at that say,

this is where donald trump blew it, but could he have finessed that better and said, the gore example or said, look, there are many districts and localities and reports of dead people voting in the past where i'm not automatically going to put my rubberstamp on this? was there better way to for him to frame it? >> there was and still is. i think kellyanne was really touching on that. he should come out and say i will support the lawful winner of this election. i come from florida. i was right in the middle of 2000 recount a woman who became somewhat infamous, catherine hairs. neil: sure. >> experienced all controversies of overseas military ballots undercounted, 67 counties have 67 different systems, hanging chads, controversy of butterfly ballot in palm beach county, there were enough things going on at the end of the day, when it was 537-vote difference, determined, we do not know neil, to this day, frankly

whether or not george bush or al gore won that year. it was so close, there were so many variables -- neil: did a lot of different recounts. take out intended versus unintended votes, we'll never know. his point was there is precedent for this, that is why i'm not going to jump on it. but i do wonder, ned, if the message was garbled a little bit, when you have to have your people come out after the fact. >> absolutely. neil: many joining me in the spin room last night, what he meant to say was -- again, what do you think of, is this debate a bit too much or what?hing that frustrated me a little bit watching debate last night, he scored some great points, supreme court, abortion, second amendment, all these things and he make this is comment which i think what he said, listen, chris, one of the great aspects of our democracy is the peaceful transfer of power. i will accept the results, however, if in the various states, state law triggers recount because of closeness i will ask for the recount and i will abide by the results. i think he could have finessed

it a lot bert. neil: i think a problem if he doesn't and has to dial it back a little bit. keeping story going. >> it's a okay. trump had a trump moment. he had more than several moments during the campaign. people understand that about donald. he is going to say things at times that maybe even be maddening but at end. day, last night he delivered other than that i thought he deliver ad great performance. neil: that is what you were saying? >> he had a very solid performance. obviously i didn't think he did very good first debate. second was better. actually last night good debate, he stepped on himself and undermined some of his strong points. i hope he mentions something listen, one of the great aspects of our demock stirrings peaceful transfer. i want to make sure -- results i will accept them. of course i will ask for he recount. once all said and done i will accept the results. neil: could have easily asked the same question of hillary clinton, if you end up not doing too well, or you will you lose will you accept results?

again i would assume she would have said yes. having said that, do you think that the challenge hears to knock out the incumbent, saying, calling her incumbent, her party controls the white house and he had to leave that debate with a knockout and he didn't? what do you make of that? >> yeah, i think that's true. it is peculiar strategy. neil: really, that is so cool? i literally just made that up. go ahead. >> it's a peculiar strategy in the last 19 days not sort of asking for votes or saying rightfully, of course i will accept the results because i will be the winner, to inspire confidence both to his base of support, who is maybe worried about some of these more recent poll results which show him lagging, whether it is just to independent voter and someone still undecided who is watching the debate not be sort of confident in that, i thought was really peculiar. instead already like, just in

case i lose, just know it is all rigged, right? just wrong attitude for the last days when you're behind. neil: you raise a good point but here is where it morphed into weird stuff because i think his original premise, maybe adam you can correct me if i'm wrong, was, the process is rigged always favors democratic candidate or get disproportional press coverage that favors democratic candidate. good example wikileaks and related stories, not mentioned on mainstream networks so they're so cumulative and overwhelming that you can't ignore them but there was much greater interest what he said about women 11 years ago. than emergence of sudden accusers last week, it is disproportionate. it is rigged in that sense how the media covers it. if he left it at that it might be compelling debate. >> tell you why i really believe the debate did much more for trump than some people are giving credit for this morning because i think the bar was somewhat low for him. he had to -- neil: right.

>> he had to bring it and i think he did in major league way. i think he was talking to the american people as opposed to talking to the elites. i think they got the message very clear. neil: what did they get? >> what they got was a debate. they actually got a substantive debate. that was not something i think you could say on the scorecard was is first or second debate. this is substantive debate. i have to credit again chris wallace, he did tremendous job making this debate about substance and differences between the two candidates and philosophies. i think that came through. it was not the definition, first two times out. trump really needed that. neil: you argue he got it? >> i think he got that. neil: you argue he got it? >> yeah. neil: where were you watching debate by the way? >> i was at a debate watch party -- neil: were you sober? >> with hundreds and hundreds of trump supporters. it was fun to watch to see the crowd's reaction. neil: they liked -- >> they liked what they heard. again i think he scored a lot of punches just a couple things

obviously highlighted today undermining message and you know, distracting from what i think he really scored on. not only scored on abortion, supreme court, second amendment, i think he scored point on immigration. went after the foundation again. stronger points, criminal enterprise. i think he had good points last night. there was very strong reaction from the crowd. it is kind of interesting, we were talking a little before we went on, what we obsess versus what other people obsessing about. neil: tara, i know my producers, we're running out of time here this idea she played it safe that hillary clinton played it safe, maybe her prerogative as poll leader, but almost too safe. one rap against her she played it too conservative, i don't mean that political sense, but stylelistic sense, what do you make of that? >> i think that she followed strategy from the second debate. he goes low. goes high. neil: wait a minute.

we can argue what is low and high but finish your point. >> when he said nasty woman, you saw, i followed the social networks as you all do as well that really got a lot of buzz last night, not in a positive way for him. it was interesting, that the two headlines that came out of it were like very end of the debate, when many viewers actually may have already tuned out but because of the buzz of those two things that he he sort of fell apart at end, i think erased a lot of what you guys were saying that he did have a great night. he did have a great policy positions and was able to get out there and be a little presidential. he sort of erased it. in the end the buzz was typical trump moment, where he fundamentally couldn't hang in there for full hour acting that way. he had to call her a name and go a little bit -- neil: to be fair, they both, they both zinged eachthank you

for your time. when you talk about surrogates and who said what, you can not mistake mark cuban in the spin room. they put him out there. then we sat down to talk. let's just say the censors were put on alerts after this. ♪ neil: you're saying is not trying to cause cones constitutional crisis. >> i think it is appropriate. i wish they would have been brought up a year ago.

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♪ neil: all right. i want to take you to delaware ohio. that microphone will soon have one donald trump standing behind it. donald trump will be making a number of stops in these so-called battleground states. ohio is where he is polling the best for the time-being. some polls put it even. others showing up anywhere from four to five points. they're kind of all over the map. i should point out in half the battleground states they're within two to four-point margin of error. i hasten to add, whatever you're seeing in national polls this race is technically more competitive than appear at first blush. when he goes there, we will go to him. meantime, every time after debates you always have the campaign surrogates for each side going to something they call the spin room. you heard it mentioned again and again. it is where those who are backing donald trump or hillary clinton, make their case for why they think their candidate won. if you are as enthusiastic

arguing for their candidate as one mark cuban, one dallas mavericks owner, loaded for bear last night the take a look. neil: so who won? >> hillary crushes him. when you have a -- neil: crushed? >> crushed. for simple reason, when you have a candidate says they don't believe in the outcome of a presidential election in this country, that is denying democracy. that -- neil: did you feel that way when al gore felt that way? >> totally different. you know it. that was after the outcome. there were discussions of hanging chads. there were lawyers getting involved. that was completely different. neil: i understand, you were questioning the outcome of the election. maybe for good reason, is that un-american. >> that was after the fact right, neil. come on now, you know better. neil: in the middle. night? no, this i covered too. he was, slow down. taking back my concession. >> apples and oranges, right? neil: go through. >> one was after numbers coming through. look at this way, neil, what if vladmir putin said you can not

trust the outcome of the american presidential election. it is rigged. how would every single american respond to that? neil: do you think though that he really, that he would, if he lost, that he wouldn't accept it? do you think that if hillary clinton lost, she would accept it? >> she would accept it no questions asked. accept it no questions asked. mike pence accepted no questions asked. the nominee of the republican party questioned american democracy. again, of vladimir, not like there is some reason to question. not like super close race to have a recount which is his right, right? this is scenario where we're 20 days in advance and he questions american democracy. if vladmir putin said the exact same words that donald trump said, this entire country would be in an uproar. neil: when you look at this race, and you see some of, a -- donald trump and women and these accusations, all fair enough, i said on this air, go after him on that, there isn't same zeal in the media i've seen to go

after wikileaks stuff. >> come on now. first of all -- neil: that is a fact. by factor of 10 to one. that is media comparison. >> talk about wikileaks. talk about what actually has been said in all those 15, 16, 17,000 emails. have you seen one from secretary clinton? neil: actually i've seen a lot from her. >> about her but not from her. neil: let me give you an example. here is one of the things, i like hillary clinton i see in wikileaks. you know why? because she is open to unfettered and free trade. she is much more procapitallist than she appears. believe me. i will let you talk. so that seems like a flexible hillary clinton, a bill clinton-like hillary clinton who can move and be pragmatic an not be so dictatorial or so one-sided as she -- maybe was forced to be with bernie sanders. that hillary clinton seems to be the candidate who would get the stuff done. >> now you're voting for her, is

that what you're saying. neil: i'm asking, which is the real hillary? >> look, as someone who manage ad lot of executive people i try to hire people who are smarter than me, one requirement of people i hire i don't care if you agree with me or not, i want diversity of opinion. neil: i understand that. you want a consistent opinion, right? someone who doesn't walk up to you, i love mark cuban, i love mark cuban then later says i hate mark cuban. >> you're not saying what second day said. neil: mark she is diametrically opposed told audience. >> this is discussion people work for her. neil: this is talking to banking groups. >> no. just like today where she talked about open borders. talked about energy policy. neil: talked about capital, be i wear what will happen in election year you are going to be a target. >> right. neil: she is more or less saying, i don't buy it but i hope you don't either. >> think about what you just said. neil: i'm not saying, that is -- >> when you were say, you were

taking somebody else's email give and take discussion. neil: no, i'm taking transcript of speeches. remarks, i don't have any problem with the remarks. all i'm asking you is this -- >> are we talking emails or talking transcripts. neil: i'm asking, which is the real hillary? is she for open and unfettered trade? is she for a good relationship with wall street? is she for not painting them all with the same brush as she seems to say, or is she the won who got pushed far to the left. >> one at a time. neil: what do you think? >> open prayed, i think -- trade. certain things she is open about. energy wants unified policy for all of north america, northern hemisphere she called it. trade policy for tpp has nuanced position, when she first came out -- neil: she called it gold standard. >> but went on to say there were things she didn't like about it and she said this is how -- neil: mark, you are one of the best reads of people i know. you became a big success you could read events and people and times. >> i will agree with that. neil: i would too.

i'm not blowing you smoke. that is phony. i'm not saying, a lot of politicians, left, right, that is phony. >> politicians do change their positions, we accept that, right? again when you go through the transcripts you will have to look at entire position. does she -- position -- look has there ever been a candidate who hasn't evolved their position. neil: no, absolutely. i'm just telling you that one in the emails, i kind of like. is that one i'm going to see if she becomes president. >> you can lobby hope you get that. vote for her you will have better chance of it happening. neil: so that the big news. you thought donald trump won and he will be the next president? >> no i could lobby her when she becomes president. i think donald disqualified himself tonight, i really did. you can not question american democracy. you can not. neil: kind of overstating it. >> no. neil: you are -- >> that is question a 7-year-old answers without hesitation. neil: now you're comparing him to 7-year-old? >> yeah. neil: all right. i didn't know -- >> i this that is pretty easy

comparison. neil: mark cuban, thank you. future keep working. all right, we all are in our own prisms, our own biases. mark cuban making argument for hillary clinton. when we come back, maybe we'll hear from donald trump himself what he makes of kind of criticisms he has been receiving particularly on that comment honoring election results. he is due to speak momentarily. he will be in ohio. one. few states he is doing extremely well. we'll have more after this. (announcer vo) you can run an errand.

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>> she has no idea whether it's russia, china or anybody else. >> i am not quoting myself. >> hillary, you have no idea. >> 17 intelligence -- you doubt 17 military and -- >> you have no idea. neil: that went well, but they did save time talk over one another. an example of an exchange that got nasty over the wikileak thing. one of the things that came through in the debate number of democratic operatives came through with the pattern to dismiss it because of the results of the russian hacking that is the consensus in the security community. it is out there and donald trump is saying what's out there is worthy of pouncing. did that resonate? did that register? how did it ultimately fall out? conrad skinner joins us. what do you think that the case was made these are the leaks but they came courtesy, most likely, the russians.

so do you ignore them, which i think was the approach of hillary clinton. we can't find them but know they were leaked out under questionable means, or do you bounce on them as donald trump was doing? what do you think? >> on the one hand, hillary clinton rightly derided the wikileak documents that may in fact have come from russian hackers, forming something like a criminal syndicate. but on the other hand she conceded they may in fact be true when asked about the statement of open borders which emerged in the documents, and she tried to explain that she was talking about an electrical grid for the americas that will connect the countries but there may be more to what she said to goldman sachs audiences and others. so i think she really invalidated her earlier argument by saying maybe these are forgeries maybe these aren't truthful documents. she quickly tried to explain

what in fact she has said in the very revelatory documents. the wikileaks documents, as despicable as they are, they violate privacy, the democratic and free way of life. what they have done for those who have read them i refuse to read them on professional and security grounds. what they have done is shown that this election is, in fact about what donald trump has been trying to create by saying that on the one side, secretary clinton represents the establishment that she has a set of political operatives that want to manipulate political outcomes, that often look down upon various american demographics versus the kind of insurgent movement against the status quo that the donald trump team represents. and that came out in everything that i've heard. neil: i know that they came

out. the number of democrats concerned about where something came from is very selective as soon as they taper accusations they didn't waste a second getting those to air very, very quickly. i seem to remember as a kid with the famous pentagon papers, no one cared how hay were released and got out into the paper. just that they couldn't get them printed fast enough. that's what journalists want and do. i see a bit of a double standard, my gosh, this is horrible, this is horrible but your rage and stunning reaction seems to be more politically than substantively motivated? >> well, i see what you're saying there i wish both sides would ignore the wikileak documents. i think it plays into the hands of the russians to julian assange and to ignore them there's just enough of an empirical record on hillary clinton's long career and public service to really question her. you don't need wikileaks for

that. i just think wikileaks has underscored the fact that this election is about differences. neil: i know, but whether you like that it came out or not, they reveal a lot of inconsistencies and distortions we wouldn't have gone the otherwise. i'm not a fan of how they got out but you can't ignore it. >> we already understand the inconsistencies as you just noted from other means, and very powerful ones including contemporaneously. neil: all right, we'll see about that but it is out and it's hard to ignore. thank you very much. a quick shot in ohio right now where we're waiting to hear from donald trump. this will be his first opportunity later on today. hillary clinton doing the same. each saying they won the debate in ohio. another large crowd gathering in a state where donald trump is polling quite well. it is interesting to know and the polls could move in the

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. neil: normally, i hate to interrupt a super beets commercial but donald trump is ready to speak in ohio. let's go there right now. this is his first opportunity to comment after the debate last night. a debate he is confident of he scored a big big victory. >> have a lot of people outside, but they got a lot in. i appreciate it. thank you very much. thank you. [ cheers ] >> usa! usa! usa! usa! usa! usa!

>> in 19 days we are going to win the state of ohio -- [ cheers ] >> and we are going to win the white house. and i worked in ohio, and i love ohio. i can tell you. [cheers] early voting is under way so make sure you mail in your ballot and you have to do it quickly and in person but on november 8th, get there. we're going to do something that has never been done before in this country. [cheers] believe me. ladies and gentlemen, i want to make a major announcement today. i would like to promise and pledge to all of my voters and supporters and to all of the people of the united states

that i will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election if i win! [cheers] all right. seriously the debate last night was amazing, and everybody said i won. [cheers] including every single online poll and some had it at 90 and close to 90%. so that's pretty close. [cheers] the question of voter fraud

came up during the debate. we want fairness in the election. this is having nothing to do with me but having to do with the future of our country. we have to have fairness. john podesta hillary clinton's campaign chairman, was quoted in wikileaks as saying illegal immigrants could vote as long as they have their driver's license. >> no! [booing] . >> what i'm saying is don't be naive folks don't be naive. one of the big issues that came up last night was the fact that the clinton campaign has paid people to disrupt violently our rallies and to incite absolute total bedlam. >> lock her up!

lock her up! lock her up! lock her up! >> it's so bad, so bad. and you know i've had occasions where we've had rallies and it was so incredibly violent i said what's going on over here? these were paid people by the clinton campaign, and it just came out, and i give a lot of credit to the people who brought this out, believe me. this is criminal behavior that violates centuries of tradition of peaceful democratic elections. a campaign like clinton's that will incite violence is truly a campaign that will do anything to win, and a candidate like crooked hillary clinton who will lie to congress, lie to the fbi, destroy 33,000

e-mails put her office up for sale and put our confidential information in the reach of our enemies is a candidate who is truly capable of anything. including voter fraud. in addition, it was just learned that hillary clinton was given the exact questions to a previous debate. word for word by donna brazile, who is now under tremendous pressure to resign from the dnc as she should be. she should resign. how can a woman do that? that is cheating at the highest level but i ask you, why shouldn't hillary clinton

resign from the race? [cheers] she was given -- think of it. she was given these questions. she used these questions studied the questions got the perfect answer for the questions and never said that she did something that was totally wrong and inappropriate. hence the name crooked hillary. [cheers] years ago there was a show called the $64,000 question. a contestant got the questions in advance and his life was ruined. they found out about it. remember? anybody remember his name? come on. van doran, very good, you look

younger than that. charles van doran was his name. he got the questions and his life was ruined. but hillary -- hillary clinton got the question. think of it. forget donna brazile she should resign. she looked like such a fool on television trying to say, well she didn't know what was going on. she had no idea. she said get me out of here. she got the questions, she got the questions. she gave them to hillary clinton. hillary clinton didn't say i'd like to announce that a mistake was made and i can't take these questions. look how many questions are there right? can you imagine if i got the questions? they would call for the reestablishment of the electric chair. do you agree with that? [applause] she got the questions and she didn't report it. she went out there knowing the she

didn't report it. that is very dishonest. she's a very dishonest person. this is even bigger because we are going for the presidency of the united states. so this is very important. hillary clinton is the most corrupt and dishonest person ever to seek the office of the presidency [cheers] so it's in that context i was asked the question whether i would agree in advance to concede the results on election night if for some reason we should lose, which we're not going to lose. [cheers] and that was sort of an unprecedented question. if al gore or george bush agreed three weeks before the election to concede the results and waive their right to a

legal challenge or a recount then there would be no supreme court case and no gore v. bush or bush v. gore, and there have been numerous other cases. in effect i'm being asked to waive centuries of legal precedent designed to protect the voters. [applause] but listen to this according to pew, highly respected, there are 24 million voter registrations in the united states that are either invalid or significantly inaccurate. okay. i think the people in this room understand it more than our leaders. >> yeah! >> although maybe our leaders understand more than we think they understand. listen to this, 1.8 million people are dead but they're

registered to vote. some of whom vote even though they're dead, which is really a hard thing to do. [laughter] but it's easy if fraud is involved, right? see 1.8 million people who are dead who are registered to vote. and some of them vote. one was a republican and after death became a democrat. [laughter] it's true. 2.8 million people are registered in more than one state. so you got 2.8 million people that can vote in ohio and someplace else. and 14% of noncitizens are registered to vote. >> boo! >> and then i hear we have such a beautiful everything is so wonderful, you understand where i'm coming from i think right? now, i am not a politician so

can i say it like it is but those are terrible. those are terrible and frightening statistics. america is a constitutional republic with a system of laws. these laws are triggered in the case of fraud or in the event of a recount where it's needed. of course, i would accept a clear election result but you would also reserve my right to contest or file a legal challenge, in the case of a questionable result. [cheers] right? and always i will follow and abide by all of the rules and traditions of all of the many candidates who have come before me. always. bottom line we're going to win. we're going to win. we're going to win so big.

we're going to win so big. november 8th we're going to win. together we are going to deliver real change that puts, again america first. it's going to be america first. [cheers] >> usa! usa! usa! >> thank you. boy do you people have spirit. [cheers] it's a beautiful thing to see. all over the country it's the same, it's the spirit it's a movement like they've never seen, the dishonest media they've never seen anything like it. never seen anything like it. they've never seen anything like it. we are going to renegotiate our terrible trade deals end

illegal immigration, stop the massive flow of refugees reduce surging crime cut taxes and regulation unleash job-producing energy american energy. [cheers] rebuild our military and take care of our vets. [cheers] now, our vets our great veterans have not been taken care of the way they should be taken care of. that i can tell you. our vets are treated oftentimes not as well as illegal immigrants and we're going to change that very fast. our vets are going to be treated properly and with great respect. that's not happening now. [cheers] and we are going to repeal and replace obamacare

[cheers] just in case you haven't noticed rates are going up, 60, 70 80%. next year it's going to be worse, it's a catastrophe and it's dying anyway we're going to repeal it replace it. you're going to have great health care at a fraction of the cost, okay? your jobs will come back under a trump administration. your jobs have fled. your incomes will go up under a trump administration. your taxes will go way down under a trump administration, and hillary clinton is going to raise your taxes. she's going to raise your taxes. your companies won't be leaving ohio under a trump administration. [cheers] right now our economy isn't growing practically at all. last quarter, it was only around 1% gdp. people have hardly ever heard of numbers like that. if in china it goes to 7 or 8%, it's considered a national

catastrophe. here we're 1% isn't everything wonderful? everything is not wonderful. if it was wonderful we wouldn't have packed auditoriums everywhere we go. believe me. i'm going to get us to 4% growth and maybe more and create 25 million jobs for our country over the next 10 years. [cheers] many workers are earning less today than they were 18 years ago. they're working harder they're working longer but they're making less, and in some cases, they're working two and three jobs, but still taking home less money. ridiculous. they're getting older, they're working harder and so am i, i'm working harder and i'm getting older, too. it's harder. believe me i'm working harder. companies like carrier are firing their workers and moving to mexico. ford is moving all of their

small-car production to mexico. when i'm president, if a company wants to fire their workers and leave for mexico or other country then we will charge them a 35% tax where they want to ship their products back into the united states. [cheers] and they won't leave. believe me. those companies will not leave. if we do that they will not leave and if they do, that's fine, we'll make a lot of money. but they're not going to be leaving. and our politicians should have told you this years ago you would have stopped the horrible onslaught of companies leaving. but two things either they're not smart or they are smart but controlled by special donors and special interests. either way the people lose. hillary clinton raised countless of millions of dollars from big donors who want to ship our jobs to other

countries. you saw that last night. remember i said open border, she said i don't want open border but turns out she wants open borders. boy, that wikileaks has done a job on her hasn't it? [cheers] and you take a look, she really has a hatred almost for catholics. she's got a hatred for evangelicals. i mean what they said about catholics and evangelicals and so many other things. so many other things, and actually the one i like was john podesta saying that -- who's her campaign chairman saying that hillary clinton has bad instincts. she got bad instincts. i don't want somebody with bad instincts as our president. [booing] i tell you if i were hillary i'd fire that guy he said so many bad things. bill said about obamacare, right two weeks ago, he said this is the craziest thing i've ever seen.

he was right. he suffered that evening right? he suffered. but this is why i'm proposing a package of ethic reforms to make our government honest once again. it's time to drain the swamp of corruption in washington, d.c. and we're going do it. [cheers] those reforms include the following; a five-year ban on executive branch on congressional officials. lobbying the government after they leave government service they make a fortune not going to have it that's why they make the sweetheart deals. lobbying on behalf of a foreign government. a ban on foreign lobbyists, raising money for american elections. i don't want that. you don't want that. nobody wants that. then you wonder why do we make all the dumb deals and horrible deals. friends of mine come up how can they make such a horrible deal, i said they are actually

smart but you have to understand this is the way the system works. additionally i'm going to push for a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of congress. [cheers] it's about time. not only will we end government corruption, but we will end economic stagnation. my plan for the economy can be summed up in three very beautiful words. jobs, jobs jobs. at the center of what will be a historic jobs plan will be fixing our terrible trade deals, and they are terrible. 47 million americans are in poverty, and 45 million americans are right now on food stamps. we have nearly 800 billion annual trade deficit with the

world and the worst recovery since the great depression. we hear about a recovery, it's the worst since the great depression. hard to believe. ohio lost 1 in 4 manufacturing jobs since nafta. and china's entrance into the world trade organization two deals done by bill and backed strongly by crooked hillary. america has lost listen to this, 70,000 factories since china joined the wto and by the way try doing business over in china. not easy folks not easy. we're living through the greatest jobs theft in the history of the world. they're stealing our jobs. they're stealing our companies. they're taking our money. we have drugs. we have debt. we have empty factories. that's going to end. that's going to end. so easy. [cheers] a trump administration is going

to renegotiate nafta the worst-ever -- probably the worst deal signed in history. stand up to foreign cheating and currency manipulation and stop the jobs from leaving our country. we're going to stop them. won't be hard. won't be hard. in order to help bring our jobs back to ohio, michigan pennsylvania, north carolina all across this great nation i'm going to undertake a major reorganization of our bureaucracy, which we have to do. have to do. american trade policy is currently mismanaged by dozens of competing bureaucracies spread across the departments of agriculture, commerce labor state, treasury, all of these departments, so many departments get that mosquito out of here. [laughter] little nervous with mosquitoes

nowadays, folks but up here you haven't been hit, yet. right? that's what we need is a nice mosquito bite. >> we love you! >> thank you, i love you too. mosquito bite right smack in the middle of the nose. we don't want it. in my administration all trade policy making will be consolidated into one very important office. [cheers] we're going to call it the american desk, and it will be located inside the department of commerce, and i'll be checking with those people because we're not going to lose our companies anymore. [cheers] it's so complicated. so many different departments have to get involved and by the time they get involved they're gone, they've signed with all of the other countries. the mission of the american desk will be to protect the

economic interests of the american worker, and the national interests of the united states because they're hurting our national interests. we are $20 trillion right now, doubled under obama, and we haven't done anything. our roads are bad, airports are bad schools are bad, everything is bad. they're falling down. we have all this debt we haven't started yet because we have to fix the infrastructure of our country. it's going to be america first, believe me. [cheers] as part of our plan to bring back our jobs, we're going to lower business tax from 35% to 15%. [cheers] we're also going to rebuild our inner cities. african-americans and hispanics living in the inner cities are suffering. the violence is unbearable and unbelievable. you walk to the store with your

child and you get shot. there's no education, there are no jobs and there's practically no safety. nearly 3,500 people have been shot in chicago since the beginning of the year. since january 1st. 3,500 people. that's worse than what you're reading up in the middle east in many cases. homicides are up nearly 50% in washington, d.c., and more than 60 on% in baltimore and it's getting worse. to the african-american and hispanic communities, who are suffering, i say what do you have to lose? vote for donald trump. i'm going to fix the inner cities. [applause] [cheers] i'm going to fix the inner cities. what do you have to lose? seriously. and i mean it. the inner cities are so bad, they've been run so badly by democrats for decades and decades and decades.

sometimes more than 100 years un unbroken, and they get the votes and they go on their way and don't do a thing. i hope the african-americans i hope the hispanics, i hope they vote for trump. we're going to do something about it. big league. we'll be a rich nation once again. but to be a rich country we must also be a safe country. [cheers] and national security begins at the border. speaking in secret to a foreign bank, hillary clinton said her dream is for totally open trade and open borders. you saw that last night when she tried to lie about it right? [booing] she tried to lie about it, she came up with something she was talking about energy. she tried to lie about it just like she lied about other things, she tried to lie last night. remember, she said tpp, which by the way is a disaster.

it will be a disaster for ohio. they have no no guards no safe guards. they don't talk about currency manipulation in the agreement it's thousands of pages long. it ohio and pennsylvania and anyplace that makes anything, it's bad. hillary's plan includes an open border with the middle east meaning generations of radicalism and terrorism spreading and growing within our shores. >> no! >> just last week an iraqi refugee approved for entry by hillary clinton's state department pled guilty to joining isis. there are many of them. so let me state this as clearly as i can, if i'm elected president of the united states, i am going to keep radical islamic terrorists the hell out of our country. [cheers]

we've got enough problems don't you think? don't you think we have enough. that will be the great trojan horse that they'll read about in 200 years like you read about trojan horse current. that will be -- we don't want to be a part of that history. we will also stop the crisis of illegal immigration. a trump administration will secure and defend our borders. [cheers] and, yes, we will build the wall! [cheers] we need it. and mexico will pay for the wall. we have the first ever endorsement from our i.c.e. and border patrol officers. first time they've ever endorsed a candidate for president. every year countless american

lives are lost to sanctuary cities. my opponent strongly supports sanctuary cities. i don't think she knows why. like the ones that got kate steinle killed by a five-time deported criminal illegal immigrant. if i'm elected president i'm going to cut off federal funding to sanctuary cities. [cheers] and quickly. and we are going to make sure that our immigration authorities do the job that they're supposed to be doing. and these in many cases are great people that are not allowed to do the job. i can tell you in the case of the border patrol and the i.c.e. agents these are great american people that frankly by backing me they're going to be working much harder. they don't have to stand back. you know the expression called stand back, people just walk right into our country. we are going to save american lives. either we win this election or we are going to lose this

country. to sum up here are some of the amazing things we're going to be doing for our country starting in 2017. we are going to have the biggest tax cuts since ronald reagan. we will eliminate every unnecessary job-killing regulation which affects so many of you. [cheers] we will defend our religious liberty. [cheers] we will provide school choice to every low income child in america, and we are going to end common core. education is going to be brought locally. [cheers] we will totally support the men and women of law enforcement. [cheers] we talked about this last night at the debate.

we will save the 2nd amendment which right now is under siege. [cheers] and i will appoint justices to the united states supreme court who will uphold and defend the constitution of the united states. [cheers] you have 19 days to make every dream you ever dreamed for your children, for your family for your country come true. thank you, god bless you. thank you. [cheers] thank you. our campaign is powered by our love for this country and our love for our fellow citizens and is there any better place to be than a trump rally? [cheers] or any safer place too? it's a campaign about rejecting the cynicism and elitism of our failed political establishment which is doing great harm to

everybody. to us. i am going to fight for every citizen of every background from every stretch of this nation. [cheers] i'm going to fight for every child living in poverty. i'm going to fight for every mom who lost her child to illegal immigration and drugs and gang violence. [cheers] i'm going to fight for every community whose jobs and factories have been ripped out of our states like ohio and pennsylvania and florida and so many others. you take a look at new england. you take a look at what's happened. you take a look at new york state upstate new york, and you see what's going on. we will never, ever ever let that happen again. we're going to bring them back. i'm going to fight for every person in this country who believes governments should

serve the people, not the donors and the specialists. [cheers] and i'm going to fight to bring us all together as americans. imagine what our country could accomplish if we started working together as one people under one god saluting one american flag. [cheers and applause] in 10 years in 20 years, in 30 years you're going to look back at this rally for the rest of your life. we've had a good time but important things are happening. you're going to remember this day. this is a movement like nobody has seen in this country before. you're going to look back at this election and say this is by far the most important vote that i've ever cast for anyone at any time.

[cheers] you're going to be so proud of your country again and hopefully you'll be very, very proud of your president because he will do a great job. [cheers] and when we win, we will make america wealthy again. we'll make america strong again. we will make america safe again. [cheers] and we will make america great again. [cheers] thank you, everybody, thank you, ohio. god bless you. god bless you. thank you. neil: all right, well do not say that donald trump doesn't have a sense of humor opening up his speech in delaware, ohio, saying i will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election, then a pause, if i win. didn't say exactly we'll explore this in a little more detail when my panel is here.

but again, making live the the criticism he's received from a number of media organizations and even those republicans who are anxious he might have torpedoed his chances of winning this thing by saying he might argue with the results of the election should he lose. but mr. trump doesn't seem to think that is going to happen. i got connell mcshane with me charlie gasparino, kennedy what did you think of that kennedy? >> of donald trump's speech? >> yeah. >> he's the only person to emerge from vegas not completely exhausted. he was really on fire today, and he feels like he won this debate, and a lot of his supporters are out there -- neil: what was he quoting that every online poll confirmed it. >> every single one. even ones that are not taken yet he's won it. >> every wine magazine his vineyard in virginia said it. neil: i'm impressed you are

reading wine magazines. >> all the magazines say my wines in -- might be in virginia. >> it's the only vineyard where the wine ratings go up to 200. neil: made light of it to make a point, though if you're on defense you're not on offense. he's on offense on this thing, connell. is that going to register? >> one headline that comes out of that. if i win comment that he made and one headline out of last night. every one of us that was there everybody watching on tv, and i think the people participating in the debate from chris wallace to the other two candidates should have known right away what the headline would be this morning and right wrong or indifferent, that's what's going to happen. neil: do we make a bigger deal of it than should be made? >> i think so. you know, listen as far as i'm concerned if and when he loses, he can go and start his tv station and do whatever he wants to do. $9.95 and get it on youtube and

whatever and we're done with him. neil: what about the standard if she loses? >> it doesn't matter for the republic whether he accepts it or not. it's not that big of a deal. neil: there is a precedent for a nominee not accepting right? >> absolutely. look at al gore, look at john kerry. the "new york times" did a profile on john kerry where he talked about the election being stolen from him in ohio, exactly. neil: we should say had he won ohio he would have won the electoral vote. >> talk about donald trump and what happens if he loses is he going to concede? there is obsession with that. what happens if -- >> does it matter? >> i'm about to make the important term here charlie come with me in the volkswagen. what happens if she loses by a narrow margin? is she going to call and concede the race? >> the only reason of that -- [ laughter ] >> why do you keep bringing that up? neil: i'm having a field day. >> donald is going to be doing

something in a few months in a month it's not going to be the presidency and he's just going to do it and it's not going to matter. i will say one other thing. neil: do you discount the possibility of his winning i guess what if these polls or understating that and furthermore that he picks up after this? >> here's the interesting thing, the polls are volatile a little bit, aren't they? i read these things all day long, some have him up, some have him down. there is more than a theoretical possibility he could win. and hillary clinton is -- you get the impression some people want to vote against her because they don't trust her, they don't like her. he is not that vehicle probably. neil: there is something to be said, connell whatever we've seen in the polls and the widening gap is more to donald trump's sinking than hillary clinton gaining. >> that's why i think what he said last night matters so much. the polls aren't volatile in the electoral college very much. may go up and down a few

points. at the very minimum to larry sabato's crystal ball has hillary clinton at 270 votes. neil: another is at 350. >> either way she's either almost there or way past there in most of the projections, when you come out and see the way trump handled that one question -- >> i talked to a lot of average folks as you are always talking to the elite, which i find the repulsive. >> i love the elite they drink better wine. neil: they weren't troubled by it. my premise is this do average folks -- remember, average folks made note of al gore invading george bush's space not the media. so do we -- what we focus on end up being moot points and how well -- >> there is -- there are these

elements of obsession here and you talk about the media despising donald trump, but they are still completely obsessed with him. neil: like charlie. he's a hater. >> he's a zen buddhist and has a trump mantra. >> more than that. the trump maundra i have a red thing i put on my head. >> like a burka. >> i disagree with you. polls are volatile. that doesn't mean he's not winning, he's losing bigtime but the polls are volatile. sometimes they're up. sometime he pulls it out. there is a degree where you never know what can happen when. >> only 19 days left. >> we care about the statement about not accepting the election. when we care about it it does have an impact. we play it it's all the newspapers and ads and ads work. >> we have 19 days and we drive it. we not the four of us but the media in general. neil: no, i think the four of us. >> on your twitter account.

>> no one watches fox business. >> by the time we're done. it will be 16 days left 17 days left and the time is running out. >> that's the point i think. >> so many outliers in the polls, the "l.a. times" has him up by one. neil: big league. bottom line we don't know. all right? we'll have more after this. at old dominion, we ship everything you can imagine. and everything we ship has something in common. whether it's expedited overnight... ...or shipped around the globe

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pledge to all of my voters and supporters and to all of the people of the united states that i will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election if i win! [cheers] neil: all right, you have to admit that was funny stuff there. after all the controversy on his comments, he might have to hold off deciding he's going to support whatever the will of the voter is after election day. he said he will, if he wins. steve grossman is the former dnc chairman his thoughts on that. what did you think, steve? >> well he smiled when he said it. he meant it to take the edge off what the disastrous headline has been since last night. you know, donald trump's problem is that he is so

undisciplined. he spent his time talking about trade and the supreme court and other issues that won him the nomination. he would be in a different place. but the lack of discipline that he shows and ability to right a disastrous headline makes the rest of it all go away and it's all anybody has been talking about. i know he's trying to make light of it and try to brush it away, but the fact is temperament matters and the american people have seen too many times a temperament that they really don't like and don't think is presidential. that's undermined a lot of what he's tried to accomplish, and it's been a disaster for him so far. neil: all right, so you're obviously not a donald trump fan, steve, i wish i had been alerted to that prior to this. in all seriousness, do you get a sense that he is hitting a chord with this idea of media bias; that there's a disproportionate amount of negative coverage on him and

not the same amount on the media on wikileaks or anything that is controversial of hillary clinton. we saw this after the allegations of women and they're coming out to say he's a groper and worse on the heels of the release of the 11-year-old videotape, that there was far more interest in going after him than there has been in going after hillary clinton. does he have a point? >> look in terms of the media, the media will print in the case of newspapers or magazines or broadcasts in the case of electronic media they'll print or broadcast what you say. if you don't say it they're not likely to be able to broadcast it. i was an elected official, and everything i said was on the record. you know, we act like this video from access hollywood was so many years ago if he said that when he was 18, i'm not

sure anybody would pay attention to it. when you're 59 years old -- people were making statements about it. neil: no no no by all means, going after him on that absolutely. i didn't see anybody in the media maybe because it's a more laird story to explain e-mails and the rest where it showed inconsistencies at a minimum with hillary clinton, and i didn't see that. maybe because a lot of those e-mail exchanges involve media figures, but you cannot not see that imbalance. >> look there's a shock value to what the media focus is on because you're looking for eyeballs. people to watch, and if the statement that he makes so the things he engages in are so shocking, so kind of like jaw-dropping then the media is going to go with it while there may be things that the media is focusing on with respect to the clinton campaign the things that donald trump does to himself in terms of and last night is a perfect example with his

statement about i may not support it i'll keep you in suspense. those are so jaw-dropping so out of bounds with what most people expect presidential candidates to behave like so they go with it. i think it's his lack of discipline. his temperamental issues and these big stories that linger and linger and linger -- neil: real quickly then, what if the polls are understating this, and a lot of trump folks feel it's another brexit coming. do you buy that? do you think democrats risk getting too cocky? how do you see it? >> listen nobody should take anything for granted. i don't care what the polls say i've been doing this since bobby kennedy in 1968. that's my first campaign. neil: wow. >> so any time that you are overconfident or think you've got it in the bag, that's when you got to start to worry. that's not what i hear from anybody in the clinton

campaign. from the candidate to the campaign leadership right on down. they understand that this is tough, and this is going to be tough last 19 days. neil: and fight to the end. >> if donald trump wants to keep stepping over lines and right bad headlines, the focus of the media and nature of the communication in 2016. neil: the media does have a bias. >> the media has a bias to tell big stories, and that's what he's creating for himself. unfortunately for donald trump. neil: okay. i don't know about that. i think it takes two to tango. thank you very much. we'll have more right after this.

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we have sarah west of "washington examiner" in washington. sam, what, things were kind of interesting. knee-jerk impression people have to pounce on consensus quite like donald trump and not necessarily, honoring the will of the voter. and what average folks think? >> no, he is not honoring the will of voter. he is mistrusting the results of the election, which is not that all the same thing. we've had obama just come out who said, there is absolutely no chance of any voter fraud. that is laughable on its face. of course there is voter fraud. we know there is voter fraud. neil: was there better way for him to frame that? bring in al gore example, or talk about cases in key contests. where it might have been premature to jump on it to accept the results? >> was there better way for trump? neil: no, that is up to you to do that for him. neil: oh, okay.

>> he was asked will you honor results. neil: he came off looking like he would be a sore loser. >> well, not to me because i understand you don't give somebody a blanket pass before they do the thing that they're saying that they set out to do. i mean we have core result doj. we have corrupt -- fbi is now under suspicion. the entire government is under suspicion. why would you give them a blanket pass, yes, whatever you say will do? that is tyranny. that is ridiculous. i applaud him for not the doing that. i applauded him asked in the initial republican debate he would not willy-nilly support whoever the candidate turned out to be. for all we knew, it was some up start first term-senator from illinois that nobody knew anything about and still doesn't. neil: sarah, what do you think about all this? much ado about nothing? how would you explain it? >> i think the rigged election argument is effective if you approach it figuratively, not literally.

use examples like donald trump did in in beginning of his speech. donna brazile providing hillary clinton question in the democratsic town hall. democratic operatives paid homeless people to attack trump supporters. neil: i think he is on firm ground there. i think he is on firm ground. this other stuff, with all due respect to my guest here, not firm ground. >> exactly. doubling down on literal interpretation of the rigged election argument which is three weeks before election day he is signal being democrats might stuff ballot boxes. that is less effective. gives democrats a sound bite they want to distract from the revelations, exposed by wikileaks. fbi documents exposing a quid pro quo. again these democratic operatives, admitting tactics most americans would agree -- neil: that is what he should have done, sam, what do you think of that? >> i'm not sure about that. neil: all right. >> i think he is standing his ground. he is proving he simply stands his ground. this is something we haven't seen in political process.

neil: you think more people at home are kind of in that camp? >> i certainly hope so. but i mean we have hillary clinton who offered putin a red button and now she is telling us that putin is the big bad wolf and she is somehow little red riding hood. i'm with the woodsman with the big fat axe. neil: i thought you were going to say something else. ladies, thank you very much. too early to tell. early gauge, we have not been able to confirm online polls referring to say he won in a landslide and easy victor. bottom line is, most people are split on the long term implications because we still have another 19 days to go. >> remember "brexit." neil: remember "brexit."

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whether donald trump or hillary clinton should say the next day, they would honor the results of that election. that never got to hillary clinton what she would do in the event she would lose. but i do want to raise -- ceo not endorsing, last count, nobody for the time-being, but what did you make of giuliani trying to clarify that a little bit. it all depends on the size of the victory? >> well that sound silly to me neil. good to be with you, by the way. you know, i don't know how you carve those numbers up then. pick another state. is it 30,000 votes, is it 50,000 votes? is it 100,000 votes? is it, you could go on and on. but i, i'm interested in this only because, you know, trump's given no reason to think that he would accept a loss. i mean you're talking about a guy who has consistently, basically failed to have any consequences for his words or his actions.

over and over and over. he doesn't accept consequences to those things. so i wouldn't be surprised -- neil: you have to accept the consequences after landslide right? if it were a landslide defeat. most people would say, you have to accept that, but you don't think he would even out of that? >> i think he has been pretty consistent. you know, he is the old phrase with steve jobs, you know that he lived in his own distortion reality field. trump has his own. and so i'm sure there will be some kind of allegations. i think it will be a lot about nothing, at the end. day. neil: most of the protests over election results, if you want to just attach to a party have been with democrats. it was al gore of course in 2000. maybe for perfectly legitimate reasons. and even to a lesser degree with john kerry in 2004 arguing about the ohio results. so they got to be so wide, that it wouldn't have made a difference anyway in thal outcome. there is precedent. >> there is precedent, sure.

but, you know, that's apple and oranges i think to what he is talking about now. and the sentiment that he is sort of stirring up, but i think reality for most americans is that what we would all really like for this election to be over. i think that would be a great outcome. neil: all right, sir. thank you very, very much. jon tapper is next. mr. "bar rescue," on whether donald trump was singling another kind of unrest. this woman owns this house with new cabinets from this shop with handles designed here, made here, shipped from here, on this plane flown by this pilot, who owns stock in this company that builds big things and provides benefits to this woman, with new cabinets. they all have insurance crafted personally for them.

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neil: what is going on? >> i really don't think they're fighting. neil: they hate each other. >> there are things going on that some candidates or some folks out there, they weren't on bored with. doesn't mean they're not on board with the idea of making sure that donald trump becomes the next president and that hillary clinton is unfit for the presidency. you are right. this was not normal primary season. it was unbelievable, topsy-turvy endeavor. i was in middle of it. that is part of being chairman of the party. neil: all right. rnc head reince priebus, trying to put a better or lighter spin on this so-called divisive republican party thing that has been pounded again by a number of republican stalwarts that said that donald trump comments at the end of the debate last night spoiled otherwise good debate performance. of course whether he would accept the election results. of course donald trump updated that today, he most certainly would, when he wins, so a bit of

a, humorous barb there after the fact. one of my favorite guests on the show jon tapper. you know his face and know the show. you know the fact that "bar rescue" has made him a bit of a cottage industry around this country and world. good to see you, my friend. >> good to be here, neil. neil: what do you make of everyone fussing over this remark first? then i get into the republican divisiveness. what do you think? >> i thought last night was debate of substance. it is like a steak dinner, a great steak but one bite had some griz sill in it. everyone focuses on the one bad bite and ignore rest of the steak. what about tax issues raised? what about immigration issues that were raised? what about international policy issues that were raised? that should be in the public consciousness. whether he concedes or not, is not a legal thing. it is a courtesy. at the end of the day -- neil: it will not mack a difference about peaceful transfer of power. that is what people are focusing on. ignoring all the stuff before.

you have and i were joking, i'm not sure people at home do as the same as people in the media obsess stuff like this. per essential, donald trump might be sore loser if he loses. no one asks what hillary clinton would do if she were to lose. leaving that aside you like what you heard out of donald trump? you think you moved needle better poll numbers to come, turning a lot of independents around. got them back in his corner. signs that he could grow the base, what do you think? >> i think publish consciousness individual. if people relate to donald trump as individual, look at women noising, they have a lot of things not to vote for him, but look at policy matters, write a list for you yourself. what are the negative consequences if one of the two wins? what is bad for me if trump wins? what is bad for me if hillary wins? for me, the hillary list was twice as long.

neil: what made her list longer? >> well, small business taxes, is very important thing to me, neil, you know that. neil: right. >> i believe we have to rebuild america from the inside out, not the outside in. and i believe that we have to have private, state and federal partnerships, almost in the old enterprise zone philosophy really fuel it from the inside out. starting with key communities in america and growing that. i don't see that happening with her. i'm concerned that all personal issues aside, that when this person takes office, the scandals, the investigations the special prosecutors, the amount of time dealing with these issues is time that should have been spent on public policy matters that concerns me. i wish we were starting with a clean template. neil: we're not. and, there is this, you and i were chatting during the break bit, as i have with other guests, maybe polls are underrepresenting his support? they point to "brexit." they point to surprises and polling methods that don't really catch these populous waves.

do you buy that? >> i do to some degree, being out like i am, i travel 40 weeks a year. neil: you do? >> shooting "bar rescue" and in markets and -- neil: do you get to pick those markets? >> we do. we tend to pick compelling stories, people really in bad situations. but i believe that there is a mentality to this. we used to use the term, silent majority. i think there is unpolled majority. and i think group of people that will vote not being considered. neil: but are there enough of them, jon, to make up, at least the established difference in the established polls, flawed though they may be? >> no, i tell you why. this is really brief and key point. any candidate who runs against the first female candidate is disadvantaged with women correct? no matter who you are. neil: good point. >> so when you start a campaign knowing that you're disadvantaged with females because your competitor is female, then you have to pull that community in. you have to recognize- neil: these allegations come out

and they don't exactly help. >> every phrase that he uses what about the line, i'm not going to apologize to my wife? so, i mean he is not pulling them in. he is taking a segment that he is disadvantaged with, an treating them as if he is advantaged with them. neil: yeah. >> that strategy has hampered his ability from the beginning. foolish. neil: do you think he could surprise people in the end an still with this? >> if unpolled, if there is group of supporters, a groundswell, possibly, that he is -- neil: you could do a rescue moment with him, 19 days to go before the store opening? >> i think he has to communicate, what are the differences in your life if i win versus her. he has to stay focused. people have to close their eyes an picture the world with either of them. and land where it is best for them. what he says to women -- neil: very well-put. >> what she did with emails at end of the day might not be as relevant to our future as it is to their past.

neil: you take a pay cut and run for office. >> we talked about that before. neil: nice deflection there. he is good at this. jon taffer, thank you very much. corner of wall and broad, not going on here, i don't think the debate had fallout at all. if we're tumbling, i think people would be attaching something. there is zero.

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and gerri willis in our new york studios. adam, what are you hearing down there? >> well the premiums here are going up there on average, according to the heritage institute about $990. you have, take a look at this graphic. before obamacare you had 18 insurance providers offering insurance through the exchanges. as of today, now that aetna, unitedhealthcare are pulling out or changing what they're going to offer, you have only five. going forward, health and human services says they only expect 12.7 million people to sign up for obamacare, where cbo congressional budget office would predict by this time there would be 20 million people signing up. so in florida, we're at hillary clinton rally. the president will be here later this afternoon. these people are in favor of reforming it. when i asked them, the cost of these premiums are going up dramatically, they still said they would rather reform it than do what donald trump and republicans are proposing, which repeal it and start over. neil? neil: gerri willis in new york.

technically we would then have a single-payer system in these states that are down to one insurance company. so be came what you wish for. in a lot of cases you might already have it, right? >> let me tell you what people say today, you're right. so many americans, 20%, one in five, will face single-payer when they try to get into open enrollment in november. that is primarily people sign up for obamacare. it said obama may suggest a government-run option to compete with whatever private sector insurer is available to those folks. so think about it. we've spent $330 billion on obamacare so far. we have got practically $20 trillion in federal debt and the president is musing over maybe another new program that the federal government could get involved in. look, there are sky-high estimates, 1.1 million additional people expected to be enroll over coming weeks in open enrollment. that is nine% increase.

i got to tell you. looking at the costs, looking fact big players like aetna, unitedhealthcare, humana will not be involved, they have pulled out, these are deepest pockets in the country. these people have lots of experience. they can't make a go of this why, i ask you would the federal government be able to put together a program that would be able to do it? neil: all right. guys, thank you both. look forward too more reporting from adam on site as the campaign of hillary clinton as well. more from los angeles after this. las vegas. (announcer vo) or you can take a joyride. bye bye, errands we sing out loud here. siriusxm. road happy. recently, a 1954 mercedes-benz grand prix race car for a record price of just under $30 million. and now, another mercedes-benz makes history selling at just over $30,000.

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trish: breaking right now donald trump finishing up a rally in the battleground state of ohio where polls show trump and clinton locked in a dead heat tied at 45%. trump hitting the ground running after the third and final presidential debate in iowa, virginia, pennsylvania, north carolina over the next three days. welcome to "the intelligence report". the top story the presidential debate, trump and clinton showing flashes of brilliance in