pie alone. ashley: not bad. that is for real. not the cost of cooking this stuff. that is your thanksgiving story and happy thanksgiving to one and all. it is yours. neil: taking a look at some numbers ahead of thanksgiving that are looking good, stocks hitting a record right from the get-go, they had a tough time staying around that level, cylinder 19,000 but we got above it, the russell is getting a lot of attention going into today, it had 12 sessions in a row of record activity and is giving up a little of that but not much. keep in mind this average which is a good representation of stocks which is close to 11.7% since election day. the nasdaq is up to and a half%,

smaller stocks are deemed more resistant to the vagaries that hit larger company stocks like the dollar and all that, off to the races and nicole pedallides at the stock market along with market watchers, the read from there, what are you hearing? >> why from 18,005 to 19,000, nowhere else to invest your money over the time globally, so much turmoil off of the global financial crisis, bonds you couldn't put their. it was a little challenging. now you hit the 19,000 market, got a bullish callout of goldman sachs, people think trump and his administration will be investor friendly, business

friendly, propelling us higher. it is not a feeling we will explode and move to the downside. we have her around these parts and figure out face by face, no one has clear direction one way or the other. neil: a lot of people call trump postelection rally, the details it will have under barack obama, he will probably leave office with a very strong ending to a strong market. you never like to politicize these things but what is the greatest emphasis for all of this postelection? >> it is finally -- an incoming administration that embraces business. in some ways, the administration has had its foot on the throat of the corporate sector, banking sector, that is why equities are rallying, we will see some animal spirits be unleashed, get the corporate sector to step up, doing buybacks, putting money to

work, and longer-term, and get forward. neil: markets had an impressive run close to tripleing. and can't maintain that pace, with a new incoming president, what do you think? >> i generally buy it if trump bends political capital the right way, it will be about lowering the cost of work for individuals who own stocks, lowering the cost for investment in stocks, lowering the cost of corporate profits and a strong dollar means it is no longer to be invested in the stock market. i can see the rally continuing but the big stick, the question is where trump moves on trade. if he follows up on his anti-trade rhetoric markets will correct and do so brutally. neil: we talked about this, a

fan of little guys, usually don't get much attention, and one thing on the wall street journal, as well as financial times, they left the year for the strongest dollar or trade war that could erupt and in their own little world quite literally and have a ways to go which would explain their 11% run up since election day. >> over 10% rally on that come the fall is what we are talking about and they are less risk involved because they don't have exposure to the global markets the way the large ones do in technology which we have seen sometimes getting pummeled because they worry about visas and net neutrality and all that but the russell 2000 has been quite impressive. as far as going forward, so much room to run, hard to say, we may see some blitz in the near term and donald trump is coming in, he has ideas for what will work

for our country and our businesses but it can't be all green and all up and up and i will show you this, it was down 19,000, we got these today, and this is out in may of 2013, he is optimistic for dow 20,000 but i am not sure we can run right there, two used to get from 18,000 to 19,000. neil: that jump to the next one. we make a big deal of these levels, they are big levels. this market has run long and hard and the iron he could be it peters out and sells on the a of time on the prospect whether donald trump will bring, then he is in office and sell on the

reality. >> this rally, on what the markets perceived, they have an understanding, there's a lot of information we don't know. it was pointed did the house earlier the biggest risk factor is trump. i don't think trump can be progrowth and protectionist. those things are not mutually exclusive and if he goes down that protectionist route then risk assets will have to reprice and it is going to be not a down market and sharply down. neil: they are always worries and market advances this morning, this one has, we always hear about this global caution, each country building up its own walls and that is overplayed but generally such an environment is not for stocks. this market is defying conventional wisdom.

what do you think? >> free trade is always great for stocks. it means all individuals have the most talented people on earth, the way to serve the needs, what makes it truly great for markets is you import the sources, not good at creating, focusing at what you do best, look at hong kong and singapore, impoverished locales that opened their markets to everything and people were able to focus on what they do best, americans evolved toward higher valued work, and market selloff brutally. >> i was thinking financials, energy, industrials, you need materials, less regulation, helping them along, pulling

back, a great run. i saw it at 49 and changed. if that holds up and goldman sachs is on point with that idea, you could see the market move higher. don't invest what you are not willing to lose, that is the big picture. it is a market. neil: all of you have a great thanksgiving. the president-elect has these media powwows and an on again off again relationship to the media with the new york times, a meeting, on-again, off-again, on-again, another 20 minutes or so, connell mcshane with the latest back and forth outside trump tower. >> this is some day, supposedly have lunch with officials from the new york times, and reach a series of tweets, the best way to recap this dave it has been interesting and start with the

most recent donald trump tweet working her way backwards, the meeting with the new york times, look forward to it. that is 22 minutes from now. our day began at 6:00 eastern time with the president-elect tweeting the following, i canceled today's meeting with the new york times, the terms and conditions changed at the last moment, not nice. a few minutes after that, perhaps a new meeting will be set up. in the meantime they continue to cover me in accurately with a nasty tone. the new york times did respond earlier before, they didn't change the ground rules at all, made no attempt to. they, meaning the trump people -- and on the record segment which we reduced or agree to. no matter who you believe, the decades donald trump is sitting down for lunch with officials from the new york times, part of it from what we understand will be on the record. somewhat similar with the exception of the record, the meeting with tv executive and acres in major networks

yesterday. keep an eye on the elevator in the lobby behind me a trump tower, ben carson left here a short time ago, rudy giuliani has been here, mike pence is here. in addition to the new york times get together, the final day mister trump will be here, he released that video straight to the people on youto talking about his first hundred days in office. tomorrow from florida, he plans to release another video straight to the people with his thanksgiving message, he is spending thanksgiving with a family in palm beach, supposed to leave late this afternoon sometime after 4:00 eastern. neil: thank you very much. we are watching that meeting, what comes of it. donald trump has reason to be suspicious of the new york times which it was last year, a

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who loves people. you see everything does come back to me which is kind of nice. we ask if he is interested in that. he is a top neurosurgeon, not an automatic post for his skill set but these are different times. he is running for president of the united states. all the back and forth and who is considered for what and the media thing, i will meet with him or not here with them, the meeting is on in 15 minutes, charlie gasparino, what does this mean for the new york times? obviously, rolling out the time that is an example of egregious behavior. a number of key people over the last couple days to confirm anti-trump sentiment, how to

meet with him. >> i would say this, the president-elect, i didn't like the times coverage, completely 1-sided. the potential illegality of the clinton foundation driving home everything against trump during the campaign. it was clearly 1-sided. that being said i will say this. what they did today was a good thing. the publisher, the guy at the top of the paper will have an off the record meeting with donald trump, the news people are going to go on the record. that should have happened yesterday. it is no problem for business people, jeff look her, our bosses, to meet with donald and let him hear what he has to say. the real problem yesterday was those qualify reporter anchors agreed to give up any ability to act donald a question. that was way out of line and what happens between then and the president-elect, off the record stuff from the new york

post. neil: we found out but we don't know. what we found out was the worst suspicions -- and word blurted out, not an official capacity. >> seriously. neil: i was on the air, how could i? >> this is like a media soap opera, who is saying what, who is not saying something. the back and forth is fascinating to watch from the outside. >> you have to remember -- before i lose my hair. neil: we are fixated on ourselves. >> there is a sense with the trump campaign, they would like to have a reset with the media,

a reset button to reengage in relations, it has been brutal especially with the mainstream media, look at the new york times where 11 times they called trump a racist, they went too far. the public editor of the new york times came out and said we have to provide better campaign coverage. they failed in their jobs providing a balanced view of that campaign. if i were donald trump i would interview the wall street journal and the washington times before giving it to the new york times. neil: i don't want to sound like a nutcase, i might be in your camp on this, be careful. the idea of the media parading themselves as trump power and giving a lecture by donald trump, it could be a very chilling precedent.

and think twice about any critical piece on the administration or administration officials. what do you think of that? >> that is right. there could be a chilling effect. something we have to be careful about here is ensuring the rights of the press, into -- neil: i understand the impetus for it. continued that thought. >> significant and could be significant, no question trump is trying to work the rest in a way that will lend itself to the american people, not necessarily getting both sides of the story because reporters are worried about access. neil: they didn't worry about that when it comes to mainstream

media. >> let's be clear here. you and i both agree the new york times is far from fair. if he should win the new york times power will implode which it almost did. but here is the reality of donald trump if you don't want him managing the news, put yourself out, look what you did, you have critics on, you have proponents on and you don't do your show because of that. it is because you are a journalist, if he wants to manage the news, journalists like blitzer and all those jerks shouldn't have accepted the off the record treaty, should have said we don't go in. >> trump has bigger fish to fry. he has got deal with serious

economic national security problems americans face. that is where his focus should be. >> are you after the hamilton crew? >> it is a sideshow. the media fight is a sideshow and he should have the director be the one negotiating these deals with the new york times or with the network and trump should focus on the american people. >> you cancel your subscription to the new york times. >> i canceled my sense into the new york times when they supported the war in iraq. >> brad turns it around. thank you very much. meanwhile the treasury secretary thing up for grabs, we are told the economics are close to coming in, and john snow thinks about the types of individuals donald trump is looking at now.

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neil: when stocks go up generally bonds move the opposite direction. bonds a little more attractive today but look at the yield listed at one third of the percentage point since the election of donald trump on the idea things will pick up in the economy with a little inflation, 30 year fixed-rate mortgages north of 4 present. a lot of people have gotten used to being under 4%, remember 31/4%, 3% in the midst of the jazz -- meltdown, growing confidence and economic activity. a lot of attention on what president-elect trump will bring to the economy when he takes over, a big economic initiative will be many pronged, a look at

tax cuts, regulatory relief, the former treasury secretary under bush 43, and honored to have you here. >> wonderful to be with you. neil: it is just a bunch of names thrown out there but several from the financial community, many from wall street, too early to tell what it might mean but that urge to get that group represented, you were not from the fat group. i thought that was to your advantage. what do you make of this push to get someone who will be from a financial inner circle? >> i don't want to speculate. neil: please. >> there are a lot of good candidates and the transition of a careful review process they will come up with some good

names. they will serve the country well. neil: i take nothing against them, not as if we fired on all cylinders in the past when we have gone there and just wondering why go back to that petri dish? to calm the markets, i don't think, they don't need much counting but do you need someone from there or from a large manufacturer, that might be better to send a signal, we want to bring what made america great back again, that kind of thing. >> the critical thing is whoever that person is is strictly on the wavelength with the new president, the president-elect and understand that is the president's policies, not his or her policies was when i first came in, john, you will get

asked the question, mister secretary, what is your policy on this or that, i get asked that question often and there's only one answer, i am pleased to serve but it is the president's policies, not my policies and any cabinet officer the doesn't understand it is the president's policies, not his or hers will get it all wrong. neil: the cochair of goldman sachs, i don't think he got that memo, not here to disparage that reporter others, they come in with pretty good egos. >> you need a big ego to have those jobs and keep it under control. you got to recognize you are not the boss, you didn't get elected president of the united states, mister trump got elected president of the united states, and the policies he took to the american people, the american

people accountable for those policies, he needs to communicate those policies, sell those policies, represent those policies effectively and recognize, keep their ego under control, recognize the president's policy, not your policy, you are the intimate of the president. neil: a lot has been made that he wants to start with an aggressive agenda cutting taxes, cutting regulations and there are a lot of folks, and sent the signal to deal with that. and looking for that chance, and people expecting simultaneously. where do you stand on the tax cuts a lot of people want to see, others worry at least near-term it will hurt the deficit? >> the urgency right now is to get the economy going again.

as trump says, get america going. i put the priority there. if we get the economy going, we can increase investment in the united states, bring back funds that are held overseas, that will raise productivity, bring america more competitive, raise wages and don't have time to worry about the deficit as we get the economy going. i think the priority getting the economy going but recognizing the deficit matter and get that balance. neil: thank you very much. a couple things. josh earnest, president obama, on the phone, a man who will succeed them.

the new york times, the top editorial folks, this is different in that he does not have the come to him. he might take a look at the building, it is pristine real estate, this would make a nice addition, i am kidding, but he will meet with the old gray lady and like to point out in numerous tweets, failing new york times. he will meet with folks in charge of the new york times, more after this.

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neil: this is the lobby of the new york headquarters. i believe eighth avenue, 42nd street, across from bus terminal. a lot of those new york times workers may want to be taking a bus home because the profits there have been tumbling as readership has been tumbling. but it is donald trump who is going there. not the other way around. media execs going to trump tower meeting with president elect. he is going there. it was an on-again and off-again meeting. he was concerned about preconditions that the times had. he will be meeting with the publisher of the new york times and then with editorial folks

there on an on the record briefing. but i'm just thinking of the crowd in here. we can largely assume new york times workers are no fan of donald trump if you went by just well, all their stories and yet they are eager to see the president elect, the next president of the united states. lieutenant -- a lot of folks wait to go see what happens from that pow-wow. it is unusual. it's the president elect going to them, what do you think? >> well, happy thanksgiving. the first thing i will bring up in the military we have a bypass criteria, if you have your goal and there's enemy out on the battlefield but really combat and effective, do you really want to waste your time and resources to focus on that small element that is ineffective or

do you want to stay focus on your main objective. i would give the recommendation to president elect trump to stay focus on the main objective to right now build cabinet. you talked about economic team. that's one of the most important issues of the american people, how we are going to grow the economy and do what are is necessary to reduce the deficit. neil: if he is going to them he didn't do this with other media organizations, so by default, the times is -- is held to this greater standard where the president to be comes to see them, maybe that was one of the preconditions i don't know, what do you make of it? >> that's my point. "the new york times", you know, they've lost credibility. they are not as valid as they used to be and you talked about the fact that subscriptions are down, profits are down, why is the president elect of the

united states of america going, you need to be focused on the message that the american people need and once again you have the alternative media which donald trump just recently did with the video where he layed first one hundred days of his plan. that's what you need to be doing. neil: all right, thank you on the breaking news environment. we have heard from american g grocier with own, just kidding. carl icahn was there when nobody was in donald trump's corner. people laughed at carl ic parks hn. they are not laughing at him now. by the way, he's next if you have medicare

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neil: all right. a look at "the new york times" headquarters right now where the soon to be most powerful man in

the free world has just proven that he cannot overcome new york city traffic. he left we were told about 20 minutes ago from his trump tower which is, what am i saying, probably a little over ten blocks and two avenues away from this location. and he is just there or just arriving there so it's proof that you might be the next most powerful leader anywhere but you still have to deal with traffic. all right. when that meeting commences, we will keep you updated on what's going on there. donald trump going to new york times, this is before the iowa caucuses and word of that leaked out, in fact, in the debate itself and a lot of people were sort of wondering, wow, how did that happen, he's returning right now. we will keep you posted. meanwhile billionaire finance carl icahn joining me right now.

carl, of course, an early backer of donald trump and he's been advising the president elect we are told on a variety of issues, might have such a role in a trump administration. who knows, i would imagine carl does, carl, very good to have you? >> good to talk to you, niel. neil: would you entertain a role in the trump administration? >> i doubt it. i said before that i would not take role but adviser perhaps or perhaps not. i have 15 companies to run and i am not going to move to washington or anything like that. neil: it is a big adjustment when you give that up to join the public sector. must has been made of what mr. trump might have to do whether to put into a blind trust or whether he gives it to

the kids, he's going to be closely scrutinized on those relationships, does it -- >> yeah, look, certainly being president and getting what donald can get done, don is very important for the country. ic my giving advise can help somewhat, i hope, and i tend to do it if donald wants to listen and to extent, i talked throughout this campaign, but i tell you that if people wonder what happened and i think it was extremely simple that if you think of a middle-class guy working in the middle west, the question is why did he vote for him but why wouldn't he vote for him? why would you keep going with this establishment? and i don't know if you read this editorial i wrote in the wall street journal today.

neil: i did. >> it really comes to the point. i think it is shall we say a manifestation of what's going on and why this economy is not working. neil: you got to the point about, you know, regulations and particularly in oil and energy-related industry, but that there are all sorts of ways that government has acted as huge impediment to innovation and business and progress, but you think a donald trump should address that sort of thing which appears to be willing to do, right, in those first one hundred days. >> well, i talked to donald a number of times on the crazy regulation that is you have, an essential example of why people don't invest, why corporations don't invest. you're not going to invest when you have -- i'm not exaggerating, insane regulations where they want companies and refineries in particular to -- to have to be responsible for

blending ethanol. we are not even talking about the ethanol standard, we are not talking about the irfs, really, we are talking about the fact that they're asking companies to be responsible for blending when nobody will blie blended gasoline from a refinery, we own one. that's one example of what goes on in the country with the unbelievable regulations. now, you need regulations, niel, i don't in any way say that companies should not be regulated to some extent. in fact, i think you need dodd-frank to some extent more than even donald does. neil: you don't think he should torpedo it? >> i don't think he should torpedo it.

that should have been regulated. it was obvious that that was going to blow up one day. everybody agreed to it. the same thing now. with business today, the problem is that you are completely strangled by too many regulations done by people that have no understanding whatsoever of business and ramifications of it, as a result -- as a result of those regulations, you don't have business spending. i mean, hillary clinton herself said we should unleash the great amount of capital in our businesses and she said that but then she went onto say but we must regulate them and tax them. obviously business is not investing. if it doesn't investing, you don't have productivity. if you don't have productivity, you can't compete. it's as simple as that. neil: what do you think if he puts priority on dealing with regulations over tax cuts?

hint that is he might not move right away on taxes. >> no, i think you will have tax cuts on the corporate level, for sure. to some extent you can have tax cuts. look, i am the first to tell you, i think there will be big bumps on the road, nothing goes easily. this is a democracy. you have a congress but we have done nothing for eight years to help business. in fact, business is perceived to be at war -- government perceived to be at war with business. there isn't because we don't invest. you don't invest because you proceed to be at war with the government. the government comes in and drives you crazy. we finally got rid of that. that's why i was with trump right from the beginning and i believe he would win because the middle-class worker who doesn't

have a good job, knows how to read very well and knows how to work with the internet, donald is a charismatic guy. i said to donald right in the beginning, he's a ca -- charismatic guy. the only one that could defeat was donald. neil: my hats off to you, carl. back to the role that you might play as adviser like a kitchen cabinet type adviser without title per se or do you oar notion of a formal role? >> i would definitely never take a formal role. it's not my day trade. i'm 80 year's old. i never reported to anyone in my life. that's not my nature. i could never get involved in

washington, into the bureaucracy of that. i was offered partnerships in a lot of firms that i would never take them because i don't like board meetings. i does cussed with you, niel, that a lot of structured corporate america is really raw-headed where you have the boards and they are nice people, they are good people but it's almost ludicrous that you have board add -- advising the ceo's for years. theoretically they know what they are doing and you have people that are on fixed boards and maybe smart guys, i'm not against them. neil: you were trying to get that entrenched. let me ask you, though, donald trump right now is meeting with the new york city.

the crowd is dispersed there. he obviously came in the back way and they are furious. [laughter] neil: what do you make him going there, off again and on again meeting and he did meet with media executives yesterday, they came to him. he is going to the new york times, do you think in any weird way that elevates the times -- >> he's going to the times. neil: right. i'm sorry, he's physically there at the new york headquarters in new york city. mideast meeting with tub -- publisher and editorial folks. >> yeah, i know, i read somewhere yesterday or someone told me that he had canceled a meeting but i guess it's on again so i have no idea. i mean, that, i think, is sort of secondary, isn't it, somewhat to what's going on in the

country. neil: he was saying the media was unfair to him, he's going to bypass the media, he communicating pass the media, in a way so do you come to think of it. so what do you make of that and that things will change under a president trump in that -- >> you know, i really think things will change. i think trump wants to be a great president. you know, i think it was very unfair in the election what the media did in many cases. you know, you could do what you want in an editorial page. i read this editorial but when you put out the news, and i tell you that's why less and less people are reading the news and newspapers because you want to get everyone's opinion, everyone wants to give their opinion in the news and i don't think that should be done and i think that is the problem that you have with the media in this election. i never saw it.

i've been very involved and never saw it as bad as it was here. in fact, it might have helped donald. neil: absolutely. >> the reason why a lot of people don't read the newspapers because they don't think get in the newspapers. neil: for those at home we can't bleep the language but carl speaks his mind. for treasury is a long list. there's a waum -- couple of wall streeters there. other wall streeters who held the position, is it such a good idea to have someone from like a big investment bank in that position as treasury secretary? >> no, i don't think so. i don't think you should have somebody from big investment

bank as secondary treasury. i think that you need somebody that's -- i think you really need a trump loyalist. if trump is going to get things done, he should have people with him that, you know, are smart guys and -- and really believe that getting this chained up and, you know, i certainly thing was there to help but they could have gone much further to clean the situation up and today say what you want, you don't have a great economy. you have the worst recovery in history. you don't have good jobs for the middle class so, yeah, it's great. you live in a bubble in manhattan or, you know, in la or somewhere like that, and those people do it very well and i think they sort of are almost unable to see the problems that are going outside the sphere and i think what you need, so i'm

behind steve mnuc hurricanes, >> i think he should be reaching out to have this moment where let's all be great friends. i'm very much for not having conflicts with the other parties and try to make things good with the media, but you shouldn't lose fact of where you want to get and you want to get it in as friendly way as you can and get where you want to go. it's a very tough road ahead. i was involved in trying to get that repatriation and you still couldn't get that. so you really should have someone in there that's going to get this job done. these regulatory agencies, and you have to -- and you will, there's a lot that will be done relatively easily.

neil: all right, carl, we shall see. i appreciate you taking the time. carl icahn. reaction to a lot of what he said as donald trump meets with the donald -- new york times. he snuck behind and all of those people were waiting and waiting ♪ ♪ how else do you think he gets around so fast? take the reins this holiday and get the mercedes-benz you've always wanted during the winter event. now lease the 2017 gla250 for $329 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. what?pony neighing] hey gary. oh. what's with the dog-sized horse? i'm crazy stressed trying to figure out this complex trade so i brought in my comfort pony, warren, to help me deal. isn't that right warren? well, you could get support from thinkorswim's in-app chat. it lets you chat and share your screen directly

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neil: are you poopoing this notion of a normal role? >> i definitely would never take a formal r it's not my nature anyway. look, i'm 80 year's old. i never reported to anyone in my life and that's not my nature so i could never get involved in washington and into the bureaucracy of that. neil: all right. well, it would be kind of rough but that's carl icahn saying not me, not in a formal advisory role. what do you think?

>> as of yesterday he was weighing a formal role. if you read the story on foxbusiness.com. carl runs like about a dozen companies. he manages -- neil: it's hard to disentangle that. >> it's. >> difficult. neil: his son is like the -- >> it's tough. he still is engaged. he is the man. i don't think, you know, you can't have your cake and eat it too. this is one of the issues -- neil: doesn't that expression bother you. if the cake is there, it's there. >> eat it. i'm sorry. [laughter] >> of course. but pumpkin spice latte. donald trump is running in the same situation. how do you disentangle yourself

from the business and let's be clear here, one of the best things about donald and carl to this extent is that if they were ever to play a role -- if carl would ever play a role and donald is the president, their business interests are kind of disclosed. we know that there are trump brands and properties all over the place and he's put out a disclosure statement. if i'm with the clinton administration and, hillary clinton, clinton foundation when she was secretary of state, we didn't know that there was all maneuvering between the two. neil: that's a very good point. you know the obvious links here. >> it's so obvious. "the new york times", i know donald is going to meet with the new york times and yell at hem. neil: he meets with the publishers and then with journalists. >> on the record. neil: i wonder if paul is in the crew. >> he probably will be.

you would never have agree today do an off the record yourself as a journalist anchor. there's just no way. what's the upside? one thing for our boss to go there and let him scream but another thing for us, okay, we are going to limit the amount of information that the president elected united states is going to give us and give the people of the united states, it was such bad form for wolf blitzer, these are journalists. neil: this is getting them all together with an off-the-record warning. >> the minute someone tells you to agree off the record, they control the information. think about it. you're allowing the president elect of the united states a public official to control the information that you the journalists needs to impart to the people. that's really -- neil: you know, he has reason to

be a little concern in his case whether you accept that with "the new york times" because it was "the new york times" that violated, you know, an off-the-record briefing. >> we don't know if they violated. neil: they didn't come out and clarify. left or right, if you like the guy he's thin-skin. >> incredibly. neil: he holds grudges, obviously not for extended period of time, look at mitt romney. what do you think would be the message with the prez going forward and dealing with the press? >> i don't know. he can go one or two ways. he went down the line to reporters who he didn't like, you are a piece of work, you're this, you're a sleaze h. neil: really? >> the most amazing thing in the world. you know, i found absurd because, you know, what do you gain from that. listen, there's one thing to understand the media is out to

get you, they are, he's a republican and it's donald trump. they want to get him. another thing is to sort of reduce yourself to their level or go below them -- neil: punching down. going after the hamilton, you don't have to do it. you will be the leader of the free world. this is nonsense. >> he won. the times looks so bad right now. i mean, there are some amazing reporters at the times and they do some really good coverage but their attacks on him while they didn't really do the sort of equal attacks on clinton, it was really bad. you and i attacked donald when we had to, we attacked hillary clinton when we had to, i mean, the times it was like an organ of the democratic party. neil: sometimes you can have effect, if you leave a meeting like that and he's putting you on notice, look, i don't think i've gotten fair treatment from you, i'm talking to any of the news organizations and i might not be pleased, do you pull your punches if you're the media?

do you full your punches? it's one thing to have critical reporting or say i can't even write this because he might never talk to me again? >> here is the problem for broadcast media and i've been in print and broadcast, because we rely on being broadcast rely on the -- on the person showing up for an interview, many more broadcast channels will cave to that position than a print -- than print reporters do. i don't care. neil: it's interesting. >> you don't, obviously. neil: that's very interesting. we learned from wikileaks. of course, that was more the case with the democrats. they valued those relations. >> they love the access. it depends on how you do your job. you do your job the way i do my job. we try to -- it's the story not the personality. >> you go to great restaurants.

i've been to the olive garden. >> you have a private plane. neil: how do you think it's going to end up at the times? >> bs. bull shit, i'm sorry. [laughter] neil: twice in the same program. >> carl said it. i did hear it. neil: kids are in school, we hope. okay. look at the time. the dow hitting 19k. go, leave, please. [laughter] neil: oh, boy. now, will this momentum continue with stocks, market analysts join us right now. dave, we were watching the return in the market and going overnight and i wonder how long it continues f it's just we expect great things of donald trump and maybe they sell on the reality, sell on the fact that smart guys like you remind, what's going to happen? play it out?

>> awful lot of cross current, niel. good to be capitalist and get credit and get paid for building something which was something that was absent before. on the other hand, it seems to me that big corporations were the ones who were most able to successfully navigate the regulatory state. the one that president obama had built and so to the -- if president trump does what he says he's going to do which is in effect try to tilt the field back toward the little guy, that would seem to me to be less favorable to, you know, large companies and major corporate interests and by the way, the only sense i get is that there's not going to be a whole lot of spending restraint in a trump administration which seems to me to send signals to interest rate

markets which seems to send negative signals to the stock markets. so it's a mixed bag. neil: yeah, you know it's interesting. people like to keep political score for this sort of stuff, forget the fact that what has brought up is happening, the obama administration. this president will leave office with a market that's had advance from when he first stepped in the case of the dow, gosh, almost tripling, so it is from that level that a president trump would come in having to better that. >> yeah. and look, i think some of what was going on there, you were having this financial crisis circuit 2009 and clearly there was a good hand in kind of keeping us from going off into a deep, deep ditch and then you had this, you know, remarkable sort of printing press operation. neil: right. >> that drove interest rates to zero, no returns to be had anywhere for any kind of dead --

debt holders which say i have to be in equities. the only fear that i have is that we pumped a lot of air, you know, into this balloon and hope that it all doesn't come popping out at once. neil: do you real quickly think tax cuts should be first and foremost in the hundred days or tax cuts at least even individual ones could be delayed? i think that that would be a mistake. you only get a chance like this, you know, in the beginning days of the administration to lose that opportunity, you might have lost it all. >> yeah, look, i think the one thing you have to do is decide what it is that really would be that you know, the three best things that would make america great again, right? because he has promised several specifics but a whole lot of again -- generalities and to

your point you can't make them all happen. place your bets, folks, place your bets, folks and you can't bet on every square. neil: this is what makes you so good. why not? all right, meanwhile the look and the feel of a clinton switch here where everyone was concerned about the type of people she surrounded herself with. now, the media is going after the type of people donald trump is already surrounding himself with. who says they're even on a par. after this

>> now, more people said they wanted hillary clinton to be president just donald trump.

he got the votes in the right states. >> not too much went wrong. we did win the popular vote. >> he sounds a lot like hillary clinton. she lost big. neil: you would say the same thing if it was donald trump who won the popular vote but lest the electoral vote. no you wouldn't. >> here is the thing, the reality is that more americans voted for hillary clinton than donald trump. neil: all right. won the popular vote, won the popular vote. it's all down to that. clinton backers continue to cite that fact even though we entered the election, campaign today try to get the 270 electoral votes. that's how they went about campaigning. if they were going with the electoral vote not an issue and popular vote they may probably would have campaigned differently. let's go to electoral college expert on what to make of this argument.

you would prefer that we not have the electoral vote and it is what it is and it's the law of the land and he said that before. both candidates went into this knowing that it was 270 electoral votes that won you the presidency, so where is this going? >> well, of course, if we had a different system and different rules in place then both candidates would have behaved differently and there's no telling what the popular vote would have been in the scenario. as you alluded, donald trump referenced the fact that if there were no electoral college he would have spent more time in new york, in florida, and california and i would dare to add a lot more time in texas and the other aspect of this is that they would spend a lot more time in big cities. why wouldn't you go to a big city if you're trying to rack a national popular vote total? this outcome this year is really interesting because it is

precisely what electoral college proponents such as myself have been saying for years and years. we have been trying to avoid, we are trying to avoid a situation where los angeles, san francisco, new york city get to choose a president for the rest of the nation. you look at the vote totals that's what happened. hillary clinton got 18% of vote total from new york and california alone. so you know, i think what happened here is just the electoral college in action and that's a good thing. neil: a lot of foreigners and i love foreign friends who will call and talk, we don't understand your system, niel, we don't ups how it is that the person who wins the popular vote still loses the election. now, be that as it may, it is what it is. congressman or senator barbara boxer one of those wanting to challenging the electoral, that's a hercule constitutional task. you would have to go through one

state and another so easier said than done so it looks like it's here for a while. >> right, there is an effort that's below the radar. there's a different effort than what boxer suggested. it's called the national vote compact and actually has been passed by ten states plus dc. they are trying to use interstate compact instead of constitutional amendment process. there may be constitutional problems with that but they are trying. they have ten states bus dc on vote. 165 electors if they get 105 more electors on board with their contract, they claim they can get rid of the electoral college that way. so i'm really -- neil: can they? can they supercede what'tution ? >> well, it looks like an end run around the constitution. nobody has standing suit right now because the contract has not gone into effect. i would argue that it would get struck down and minimum

congressional approval just like interstate compact. neil: next month they meet. a couple might switch vote. is that constitutional and is that a big worry if you're donald trump? >> well, it probably is constitutional. there's a couple of aspects to this one. to the degree people are worried about electors flip to go hillary clinton. it's not going to happen. 306 grassroots republican who is got elected on november 8th. they are not -- they are no interest in flipping it to a democrat. people don't always realize that the electors that are selecting in each state, these are actually different groups of people. they are republicans that were elected in the red states and they are democrats electors in the blue states. getting them to switch parties -- fiel niel --

it depends on the state. many states have different laws about attempting to bind the elector. some states have no laws at all. neil: exactly. i kind of knew my own question because that's the way i role. there are some who will say, look, i have been forced to represent the will of voters in my state and i don't agree with the voters in my state. the question is, you know, i think donald trump is 306, whether there are -- what would that be 37 of them who could bring that below to 70 and call into question his victory. >> well, look, i think there's an argument for electors acting as safeguards in our systems of checks and balances. the complication here is that we don't know the identity of electors, this is a change from the past. you can imagine emergency situations the health crisis or something like this where maybe we don't want to electors to

change their vote but my argument would be that it would be better for the state legislature to intervene at this point and direct electors in a different direction if that's what they want. but certainly, there is an argument that the electors can do what think want to do. neil: it would take a lot of them to do it. i learned a lot. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. neil: a lot of new york timers who were in the editorial meeting tweeting out as they can the off the record meeting, that is an off the record meeting. he's the boss but he has been meeting with journalists there on the record and he has interesting things including on the electoral college as i mentioned just now that he believes in a popular vote but the rules are what the rules are and he won by what the rules are .

i want to look into it and also said no when asked if he is taking investigations off the table for hillary clinton but adds he really doesn't want to hurt the clintons, not any of these are new developments or breaking news but what he is saying right now is that i'm open to talking to you guys at "the new york times". so much so that i came to you. you didn't have to come to me.

neil: all right, we are getting more on this pow-wow going on in "the new york times". this is the lobby a cross the street from the bus terminal. i don't know why i mentioned that. but any way, donald trump came through the back entrance. the poor folks missed it. they hoped to catch him on the way out. meeting with the publisher, that's an off the record meeting but meeting editorial folks

which isn't off the record meeting. mr. trump saying it's not a group i want to energized and if they energize i want to look into it to say that he's looking at a country that's very, very divisive after the election and that is why he is not into prosecuting the clintons after the fact and he is saying that the clinton foundation has done good work so that is another reason not to pursue this. but, again, these are just some of the tweets coming out of the meeting and they are allowed but they are concurrent with what's going on in the meeting. as soon as he says something, tweet it out immediately. we have gordon joining us, jerry, gordon, this is "the new york times". it is donald trump going to the new york times not like yesterday where media executives went to him. what do you read into that?

anything at all? >> i think donald trump wants to talk to all of the media. as we saw yesterday, he went directly over the heads with the video on what he is going to do in the hundred days. le knows -- he knows the media are going to be important for him. neil: in the past he has had them come to him. he went to them. maybe that was one of the proviso that times stipulated, i don't know. there he is and he's letting them have it, i'm sure. what do you think of that? >> well, i think on the one hand it's definitely an olive branch, he probably didn't have to go to them unless--- unless it was logistic issue. that's the flip side of it. if you're going to assume new york times is definitely going

to be antagonistic in the future, like i said, trying to mend fences ahead of time. neil: jerry, it's interesting that a lot of the times folks probably not big fans, i'm going on a limb here, waiting to get a chance to see him. that's kind of noteworthy. >> it becomes hard to criticize the president elect for not talking to the media or going directly to the people. if he actually comes to your news room, right, you can't criticize them for that and i think he does a great job of keeping people off balance all of the time. on the one end in the morning criticizing the new york times for being loser, losing readers and then on the other hand sitting down with everybody face to face. he's hard to predict and that's kind of worked to his advantage in my voice. neil: gordon you focused on

china and how it operates and how it doesn't really rely in free media, here it's donald trump more or less putting the word out to the media, look, you've guys burnt me here, you were unfair in your coverage of me, does that smack of a president elect or president who -- who might be very intimidating if he's putting the word out to journalists who might write something critical that, you know, i have your name, i have your number,? >> he's very good at keeping people off balance. that's going to be the defining element specially the press. i think that he will get fair coverage, but, of course, he's trying to influence it in ways. in comparison with china is striking because chinese leaders only have one press conference a year. it's only one individual, all

the questions are selected in advance. this really shows the strength and resilience of the american system. neil: the criticism was coverage and dismissive attitude was against him and you could argue it was the press that loved going into the ride in a lot of free advertise and publicity that money couldn't buy. >> exactly. i think that, you know, jerry in particular nailed it, trump is keeping everyone on their feet. i mean, could you imagine, niel, any of our past presidents this morning coming out and saying "the new york times" with a -- was a bunch of losers. [laughter] neil: it's in the head. the thought. guys, thank you all.

we will watch this one closely. you know, it is something that would make you chuckle here. he really owns the press here, doesn't he? joe on that after this ♪ ♪ ♪ how else do you think he gets around so fast? take the reins this holiday and get the mercedes-benz you've always wanted during the winter event. now lease the 2017 gle350 for $579 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer.

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neil: what do you make of that, and tt things will change under president trump? >> i really things will change. i think trump wants to be a great president. you know, i think, it was very unfair in the election what the media did in many cases.

everyone wants to give their opinion in the news, and i don't think that should be done. and, i think that is the problem that you have with the media in this election. in fact, it might have helped donald. it might have been a backlash. neil: absolutely. >> these people reading it, say [bleep] a lot of people really, that is the reason a lot of people don't read the newspapers. neil: all right, you might have noticed when we replay it we have the little bleep. at the time he said it live and, now the lawyers are calling. speaking of lawyers, and why they should be paying attention, joe piscopo is my guest right now. joseph, good to see you you. >> hi, neil, happy thanks giving to you, my friend, too to you as well. carl icahn speaks his mind and throws out a couple curse words and so does gasparino and we survive. what is interesting he was saying between that, look, he got elected.

that is donald trump, without the press and he is letting them know it. what do you think is going on in that room with these journalists who, from the grey lady are now dealing with that reality? >> we love it. we just love it. my radio audience digs it and eats it up for donald to do that, i would have done anything in the room to be with all the journalists and lectured them. they will never understand it. the mainstream media will not understand it. that elite attitude will not change. i just loved it, it is so refreshing. neil: what do you make of him coming to "the times"? >> yeah. neil: what -- much has been made of that? what do you think? >> a great sign to see how pragmatic donald trump will be as president. i said this all along. we talked about this at length. he has got a vision. he is measured and he is taking his time and how to deal with this. so, for him to first of all oh,

we're not going to meet. now to show the respect to the "new york times" to go after, even today, if you look at "times" -- neil: even joe, this morning, they were the failing "new york times." that is a quick turn around. >> neil, they trashed him this morning in the paper. neil: right, right. >> listen in a pragmatic fashion he is going over with an olive branch. wouldn't you love to be in the room there? you know what? the problem the press isn't going to listen. they will not listen to what he is saying. neil: they are tweeting out what he is saying and sort of speaking his mind. you've seen the dust-up over the whole "hamilton" stuff. karl rove was here, don't argue with that. you're punching down. ama entertainers having a field day making fun of them. rove's advice, was, think what you will. you don't have to respond to these guys. you're leader of the free world. you doesn't have to soil yourself talking about them.

what do you make of that? >> actually kind of good advice, but when there is comedy on "saturday night live" or, within the context of what jay pharaoh will do, and jay is great. he hosted the amas, that's okay. that is satire and that is fair game. but lecture after a play, as brilliant as all the folks in "hamilton" are, it gets too much, or if green day starts to use donald trump lyrics in relation to the kkk. i think that is off base and it has to stop. neil: but does he have to say anything. one thing, guys like you very influential in the media world and say something, hey, that is going too far? i don't know if i want my future president, even bothering himself with this. let them rant and rave. >> people can't forget, he has 12 million twitter followers. neil: i understand that. >> he will be leader after world of billions and billions of people. donald's allegiance is first and foremost to the people. he has 12 million people following him. it has kind of been like, that

is his audience and he wants to let his audience let him exactly know how he feels. neil: afraid of saying anything critical of him. you are afraid. scaredy-cat afraid. you see what happens to the guys dragged to trump tower. ing down the stairs not taking elevator and not me. >> do you see me at trump tower? do you see me at inauguration? i will not be anywhere. neil: you will be introducing him at the inauguration, what are you talking about? >> i am not. so darn refreshing, i love it. he is sticking it to them. it is fun to watch. let him be donald trump. we waited so long for this. we have don't hate the other side. everybody has to stop protesting. neil: yes you do. you hate the other side. >> i don't hate the other side. it is rodney dangerfield's birthday today. neil: is it really? >> it is okay, all right, neil, everything is all right. everything is okay. neil: miss him already. we can always live and hear him again through you. thank you, joseph.

>> lasgna for thanks giving. forget the turkey. neil: thank you, my friend. man, that is one funny guy. we'll have more after this.

>> live from the flooring of the new york stock exchange i'm lori rothman with your stocks business brief. the dow, just a couple points shy of 19,000. it faded a bit.

still a couple hours to go. if the dow closes here, we're at all-time record highs. 15th record close for the average this year. this is being labeled the trump rally. goldman sachs lost a little ground today, but unitedhealth and caterpillar are still holding up though. those three company stocks are up, goldman up 15, almost 16% in just about the last two weeks. now carrying the dow to 19,000 from 18,000, those handful of stocks looking at performance today with home depot up better than 2%. senior producer, numbers cruncher charlie brady coming up with the stats. let's get you back to neil and "coast to coast."

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says he should be prosecuting them. a former assistant attorney general thomas dupree said he shouldn't. you think that is bad idea to rule it out. why? >> neil, i'm not biggest fan of hillary clinton but at same time i think this is the right decision. we've been through a very divisive election. i think the the president-elect is doing the right thing and putting the spotlight on the future rather than on the past around not taking actions that would further divide the country and making effort to send a signal he wants to bring people together and to unite the country rather than divide it. neil: what do you make of that, lisa? you don't agree? >> good afternoon, pleasure to be here. i understand about this divisive moment. we want the united states to be united but in this case, if we look at it apart from all the political issues going on, this is a legal issue plain and simple, and hillary clinton was grossly negligent. there are many, many issues with perjury. at this point not to look into

this would be a breach of justice. neil: but do you argue that, if an investigation goes on, presumably goes on for potentially months if not years, right? >> sure. and part of the problem is that you know, she basically left these confidential emails, these many, emails out basically on a park bench on the internet. we don't know who could have accessed them using her personal server. there are no security issues we know of. now the down the line digital forensic investigation could take time for sure. even comey himself said a hostile actor could have accessed emails. we don't know yet. neil: what would be harm, tom, having a special prosecutor look at this? taking partys and respect till chambers out of it and waiting to hear back from the special prosecutor? >> i think they have already done an investigation. look, reasonable people disagree about what the investigators found. their ultimate conclusions. but at the same time we've been through this process.

that is not to say in the future congress may want to look into particular aspects of this. they might want to look into certain emails. they might want to do more investigation if new things come to light but as far as making a decision to indict or decision to prosecute, in the wake of this election where she already paid an incredible price for this, losing the election, i think at this point the president -- neil: not paid a price. we all, if we use that as litmus test, i had a bad day if my car didn't start. >> exactly. neil: she lost a presidential election. hello. right? >> exactly. it doesn't take away the fact that she did participate in these illegal activities. and also just using her personal discretion to decide, i'm going to get rid of these 32,000 i males because they're not relevant. there is was nobody looking into them. that is issue that has been overlooked. neil: to donald trump's point, he is not interested in pursuing anything. that will probably pretty much stop it there. guys, thank you very much.

have a great thanksgiving. you too. >> neil, thank you. neil: lower right portion of the screen, back over 19,000. how long do you think that goes on? maybe for a while. anthony scaramucci, a key reason why this is all happening. the man who single handedly got donald trump elected. you see how i building up to him. he is next.

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couple of months. good to see you. >> it's a pleasure to be here. thanks for inviting me back on. neil: what do you think of this? when you joined the trump campaign and it was looking like an uphill battle and here he is, now, talking with "the new york times," lecturing them about their, horrible newspaper they are apparently, the world is coming to him and very early on the world was ignoring him? >> he has authentic personality. he is not a politician as you and i know. he is only 18 months into his political career. you're seeing the verbal authenticity you and i love on american television and american people love. neil: "new york times" doesn't love it. media doesn't love it. >> they're not big fans of it because they like to measure presidential verbal acuity, if a syllable is out of place, they flip out or set their hair on fire or in this case running around with a flame thrower so. neil: i wonder whether you, and you're a modest guy, were a

calming influence or so the of like let's step back and let's think this through? so when he fly off the handle and do something, did you, or others say just all right, you're very close to winning this, you're close to ceiling the deal on this, here is where you should focus? >> first of all i would never take any credit for that whatsoever. neil: you wouldn't. i would. >> he was his own person. neil: he was counseled. you offered -- >> i will say this about him, which i have enormous amount of respect for and this is another media misnomer, he is big time listener or as he would say, big league listener. neil: is this stuff for show when meets with romney. >> no. neil: extending olive branch do you see him putting romney on cabinet, people quite critical of him? >> vice president-elect pence said on the record that governor romney is being strongly considered. neil: i don't believe it.

>> he may or may not be strongly considered. neil: you know it. >> you want to play cabinet row tis is ary. i have the cards in on the of me. rotisserie. the only person that knows is president-elect trump. neil: the outreach is amazing. but it is good for him, i just, i can't see him getting over that. >> remember as kid your grandfather said are you good sport or not, you have to be a good sport, one thing people are missing in the media are missing, mr. trump is a good sport. neil: he won. easy to be a good sport when you win. >> but you can be a little sore, right? in churchhill victory in magnity. he made outreach to governor romney and senator schummer around he wants to be president for everybody. neil: does he want to be president for wall street? the talk he is looking at wall streeters for treasury post all of that?

i was just talking to carl icahn, that kind of thing might be a mistake. carl icahn saying he wouldn't mind being an advisor to trump but he thinks don't kowtow to investment banking communithat - >> first of all, i don't see him kowtowing to anybody frankly. one of the reasons why he got elected. neil: jamie dimon stuff, that was all rumor and nonsense? >> you know, neil i would let mr. trump speak about that as opposed to me. i'm not the right person to speak about this. neil: you know all of this and you're not saying anything. >> here is what i would say to you, when there is harmony between wall street and main street and flow of capital, what american people need to understand, wall street is the arterial structure of capitol flow into the capitalist system. neil: i thought he hated it? >> i don't think he liked some. excesses which we don't like. community banks are not lending to small businesses. one of the reasons we don't have the growth we need we tighted up things in a way made us oversafe.

we want to protect the system from failing but we can't accept some bank failure or bad loans if it means greater growth for united states. neil: would you accept a post in the trump administration? i'm told it is yours for the asking. >> let me put this way. you are a patriot as i'm a patriot. i worked for six months for the guy. i love the guy. i am loyal. if he offered my a position as american patriot i would accept it. i have a great business. i used to host the show "wall street week." ratings were really well and i can't host that to be part of the presidential transition team. neil: if they don't go anywhere after that, you could always come back to wall street. >> at the end of the day i will serve the president because i'm a patriot. neil: for cabinet position. for cabinet position? >> i don't know. who knows. neil: i think you do. >> who knows, neil. what job do you want? i could see you and i -- neil: i can't afford a pay cut. >> you wouldn't want to landscape the rose garden? neil: rose garden i would like

to rip the whole vegetable garden thing out. >> i don't know, if this would be news that the vegetable barred own is going. my bet. no one confirmed that to me but i bet it is going.

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now lease the 2017 gle350 for $579 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. neil: all right, let's see if we hold the 149,000 level. i bring it to you trish regan. trish: thank you very much. very interesting stuff. lots going on. will he or won't he pursue charges for hillary clinton. it's up for debate right now as he meets with executives at "the new york times". reporters sending out tweets about the meeting tweeting while trump is not taking investigation off hillary clinton off the table, prosecuting the clintons would be, quote, divisive. is he perhaps testing the waters to his supporters after he said he would appoint special prosecutors? i'm trish regan.