that's what i think. neil: oil way down. >> it's not dragging the market down. >> 45 bucks a barrel down 35 cents. we will take it. neil cavuto, it is yours. neil: thank you on the sewer. we are trying to dot the i.'s and cross the t.'s we are learning a lot about that essay led in the internet on the latest -- in august, for example, he told a school newspaper and a muslim. it's not what the media portrays me to be a people look at me a muslim praying, i don't know what they're going to tank. what she makes of this particular assailants and others just like him although we don't know it yet. very good to see you. when you make of what we are

piecing together? >> it is very concerning to see what is happening particularly with the lone wolf attacks. because this is difficult to fight against. but then again, the writing is on the ball. our enemy is telling us that they want us to do. isis came out and told their operatives they are going to carry attacks in the west using machetes, using which are nice, mulling over people. we are seeing this is being done by refugees across different countries across the globe. the man she hobbies in the november attack in france last year, all nine of them entered as refugees and we are seeing the same science in america. neil: do we know what happened when he came here in 2014, i guess he was resettled to dallas initially. later on they came out exactly what triggered what.

but something went horribly wrong. piece together what you can for me. >> well, the family originated in somalia and they went to a camp in kenya and from there they went to pakistan where they stayed for five years and from there came to the united states are they became naturalized as a legal status in 2014. when you look at pakistan or somalia, both countries are not a bastion of modernization. the kenyan government were most of the somali refugees are being held across the world and they had been infiltrated by the terrorist organization and they are very concerned about the radicalization of the refugee population within icann.the unit

refugees come to the united states. the united nations seeks to refugees from the refugee camp and doesn't make them working with the state department on coming to the u.s. the state department settled then. they work with nonfederal contractors to resettle refugees and the federal contractors work with 350 subcontractors to settle the refugees in 192 cities across america. when they come to dallas, what we are seeing when the refugees particularly somalis are resettled in a community where they don't feel a lot of refugees, they themselves in the great to back it is somalis in america where they can be part of a larger group like minnesota, san diego and a lot in tennessee as well as in ohio. that is probably what happened and how they went from dallas and ended up in ohio.

neil: to your point, obviously ohio is a humongous school. even there he felt out of place even in that crowd. even though there are muslim groups and the whole pocket but even for molly refugees in that area. but he still felt very much out of place. >> the interesting thing remember he's very young, very adept at using the internet and we already know that the father of the mom i'll are lucky and the second to become radicalized. but it's so is he has figured out how to pay the big tim card literally following the al qaeda playbook. the she hobbies know how to operate and manipulate the western mind that. neil: he was profiled in the school paper. pathetic individual. thank you very, very much. appreciate your expertise.

president-elect trump astarte warned about molly refugees. this actually helped his case. not even allowing them in until they get a better sense of the magnitude of their problem. former navy seal team six commander brian ziggy. he is the real deal by the way. what do you make of that? donald trump has backed off a little bit on the idea of screening all muslims, but he has spoken and his people have spoken about those from very dangerous areas of somalia, chief among them. how should we play this going forward? >> we should look at the safe act, which is to suspend the current program until the agency -- just spend it right now. just figure out how to bet. were these people getting influence from in this particular case in ohio state, individuals in pakistan. who are the influencers? neil: he had traveled. part of the problem is the

refugees are coming in america. this stimulation is not taking place. they become isolated and fringed and radicalized here on the sending side, let's figure out a process where we know the relationships between different people. let's make sure we bet people and bring them into the country. we know who they are. neil: those who are urging caution about making generalized statements here. the somali native though she was, nothing to handle problems when he and his family came here and it's problem materialized suspicious behavior materialize within the last year and a half. what he do in that case. >> is the file open or shut? i think a vetting process. the sword in the groups i was there is no threat, immediate threat or potential threat and put the resources.

neil: at the farmer seal commander, would you also tried that algorithm to look at somalia, travels to pakistan? >> absolutely. neil: you did and after the fact because after they hear we don't follow them. >> that's exactly true. when they get refugee status they get a passport like you and i. they are able to travel across the country wherever they want. again, we need to close the holes. there are real experts within our government that now how does that in the state department, nsa, fbi, they can come together to agree on a vetting process that gives americans the maturity that the people come into this country are here for the right purpose. we need a program to simulate. the isolated part and winter

isolated you can influence and often times actions like this. >> in other words, he was sent bully. he wasn't ostracized. he had a very appealing profile in the university newspaper, where he felt out of place in a society that muslim people were targeted, but there is nothing unique to him or anything done. it is one thing to be filled with rage because something directly hopping to you, but he's complaining about stuff happening half a world away. by that definition, anyone could explode. >> we don't know who he was influenced with her by or continue to be influence in pakistan. they still might be a link. we don't know.

neil: once he becomes president, what should he do? >> i think the safe act. they pass bipartisan out of the house. and the president should sign it. the agency in the jurisdiction should look at it and agreed with the vetting system and waiting two years. when there's no database available to file in this case is empty, that doesn't mean an individual is cleared. neil: real quickly, that's the case with most. >> we don't have much love in syria. we don't know who's been in prison, who's not been imprisoned. it takes time to vet these individuals. >> when you say those who argue, to the sound pain happening offset by the odds of leaving the humanitarian jester aside doing the right thing by these people and keeping welcoming to

those who are scorned. >> i have to remind the individuals of new york and new jersey and minnesota in the state of washington, ohio state, san bernardino, we live in a different world than a decade ago. our job is to make sure our homeland is safe and that has to be number one. we should always be a humanitarian country and have open arms for refugees and those in need. we always have. we have to be careful and prudent in how we apply. neil: people wouldn't apply that to all muslims. >> i think refugees. across-the-board refugees. neil: congressmen, thank you very much. neil: in the meantime, the president-elect is crossing the t.'s, dotting the i.'s and who's going to make up the candidate.

elaine chao will be joining the cabinet. blake burman with the latest at trump tower. reporter: hi, neil. i think the rain -- a lot of announcements coming from president-elect trump's headquarters as you just mentioned a source telling fox at any moment this afternoon the president-elect and the transition team will be naming elaine chao. she is very well known on capitol hill. she was the number two in the poster in george h.w.. she was the labor secretary. she was also as you mention the wife of the senate majority leader. if she ends up taking the post, she most likely would oversee a whole bunch of the infrastructure spending the president-elect trump has said he wants to institute at the beginning of the term.

pic has been named official today, put out by the transition team. that being congressmen tom price. the congressman from georgia. he would only be responsible as the president-elect has described that he wishes to do. there is the ever so important meeting later today that an arab looking or two and that being the second meeting between president-elect trump and mitt romney. romney and trump had met earlier this month. the speculation of course is whether or not the job will be offered to mitt romney for the secretary of state and mitt romney take it. david petraeus was here yesterday. notice round two for romney. that is later today over dinner. before the meeting takes place, the median proceeded not was an add-on.

and interesting on the schedule today gary khan. the president and ceo -- c. o. o. of goldman sachs. peer meeting today at indoors. neil: they always pop up, the wall street guys. thank you very, very much. still trying to resident president-elect and governor romney will be meeting. i have better than even money bet they all gardeners around the block. if they're having problems getting in there, i know people, just saying. all the nasty things that were said about the other over the course of the campaign. does this necessarily get you the job? if that is true, why are you up to your boss? it could be a reminder you are wasting your time. that does not apply to my staff, but i do want people to think about that.

neil: this is the second job interview the president-elect is meeting with mitt romney for dinner tonight. this time we are told at the olive garden. that would be a bad choice. seriously, we don't know where they are going to meet, but we know it's interesting this is happening and it's rare to have a follow-up meeting. presumably secretary of state to real clear cut politics. amy stoddard on her concerns about this meeting. your big saying is that if you're mitt romney and given a pass pass between these gentlemen, it is a leap.

>> i think mitt romney asked for this obviously, but i think he's going to get the heave tonight after a gray, log public flogging by tram supporters and surrogates and i think he should have known that. he went into this at into this with his eyes open and i will be absolutely stunned if he ends up getting the job. i think they've made it perfectly clear that he is an enemy of mr. trump. donald trump has made it very clear since he started his campaign that if you cross him, he will finish you off. it just sounds -- he did give governor nikki haley -- nothing like romney. he did give her a job. but he didn't drag her through the mud. what's going on makes me think that dinner is just the final dramatic scene of a long and ugly goodbye. >> you think the president-elect is joining them as, wants to drag it out, embarrass, humiliate that romney and then

settle scores. >> well, i'm always up for a surprise when it comes to donald trump. he could take him tonight, but it just sounds like he's not going to. there's too much opposition. they do have policy disagreements on the day of onrush. neil: i think the bigger reason that whatever the bad blood before, you're quite right right there is a lot of it. they diametrically oppose russia and even dealing with isis. then they secretary of state ... can hillary clinton did that for barack obama, john kerry much the same. there is a history the one who wants a job in his prestigious job to put it mildly, swallow their pride and move on and take advantage of what having that job would mean. what would mitt romney get out of it? i am thinking for him he's got

to know how that looks and smart people like you analyzing. to me it looks on his part. what do you think? >> david gergen has worked for several presidents and watched this process and no-space and most of of us treated his alarm on sunday. at this point if he got the job, why would he take it? the job might look different to mitt romney than it did 10 days ago. he still has subjected himself to this because he feels people around him are telling him, you know, if trump wants to bring u.n., you need to go in and do your patriotic duty and try to create a stable situation overseas as possible, further our interests. neil: they are going to go back to those remarks. >> as you sing with ted cruz and

marco rubio, two senators who said the same kinds of things that romney did about tram. they are not backtracking. the election happened and we want the best for mr. trump and we want him to succeed. the best thing for the country is for they are not trying to take the comments they can't take that, but let's come together now and that's how romney would handle it. neil: is like professional wrestling. it really is. they'll come out, do their part. afterwards they just have a drink and they until tomorrow. >> right, right. it is a different business, politics. it certainly is. neil: i'm going to spare you my professional wrestling impressions. that's about it. you're the best. >> banks come in meal. i think she's right. something about this seems so weird. you can't script is like a professional wrestling match. even that is a stretch too far,

but who knows. olive garden, anything can happen. the recount is on. wisconsin's lieutenant governor is here to sort of say, you know, the process it self is what we are -- what is weird. more after this. many people clean their dentures

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>> we are going to the three states likely to show hackings. >> margins in virginia and new hampshire and maine and colorado. why not go into those states where hillary clinton won? >> i'm trying to tell you it's more than one criteria. if you want a voting system which is suspect and which is problematic from the start. in wisconsin to use voting machines that are legal to use in california because they are so tamper friendly. neil: since then we have heard third-party presidential candidate jill stein is due in

wisconsin because even though it's going through at the recount, they will not be doing it counted each one ballot by ballot and that is triggered another followed suit to the demand that wisconsin recount all those ballots. this could spread certainly to pennsylvania, and even michigan which has now been thrown in the column for donald trump. governor, very good to have you. what do you make of this election of your state to others and the timing of all of this because as kennedy was raising with ms. stein, this did not appear to be focused on states that have even closer gaps. >> well, it kind of cracks me up that she said research and margins because if that is razor thin, that's a pretty dull razor. we are talking about a difference of 22,000 votes between donald trump the winner in wisconsin and hillary clinton. jill stein got 3000 votes total.

not difference between her and the winner, the total number. this is kind of where mysterious and evil meet and weird. neil: okay. let me ask you about the timing. this would not benefit dr. stein. maybe the fact that hillary clinton people got involved in their state, they want to make sure they are represented. i can kind of see that. i'm not a lawyer. i don't know whether the truck people would or should be involved in this. to envision a possibility where your state return, in this case against the president-elect? >> no, no, no i don't. it's 22,000. even our bipartisan election commission says with a hand recount where you may change his view, the number may go up or down by a couple. it's just not going to happen. there's no way to overcome

22,000. that is a gigantic margin. the timing of this thing is really suspect. i don't know if jill stein is looking for a $3.5 million participation trophy here or if she is honestly being deceitful with the help of hillary clinton's campaign and trying to push our state up until the deadline december 13th by 3:00 p.m. by which these election results must be certified for the federal government to count electoral votes. if that's the case and she's hoping we can get it done in time, new/we have that date, too. we are going to get it done. neil: about a 23,000 gap in michigan, 11,000 vote gap, 70,000 vote gap in pennsylvania. those three states would be presumably getting these recounts. it would take a lot to turn any

one of them, but this died campaign is about looking at the possibility of packing and how advanced election systems like your state could be right with the views. in other words, could through no fault of your own for party officials on either side be taken advantage of because it is so sophisticated russian mark would he make of that? >> jill stein and the soundbite you had before he came on your show said california was the high standard. really? in wisconsin we have photo i.d. now, a very important piece of legislation for governor side to ensure it's easy to vote, but it's really hard to cheat in our state. i have confidence in the result. i have confidence in the fact the president-elect is in fact the president-elect with wisconsin's 10 electoral votes in his bag. neil: real quickly, helping out with this. when someone called for a

recount and they have the money to do it, which in this case, stein date. where that came from, we still don't know. do you have to honor that? is it within the percentage gap that would justify a recount as long as someone else is picking up the tab to do that count? >> well, jill stein right now is calling for a hand recount. our elections commission had decided that she could do a recount. however, she is demanding a hand recount which is hideously expensive and really difficult, going to require a lot of our clerks to bring in thousands of workers some of whom will have to work nights and weekends. neil: what the problem is she's paying for it? >> used in the pages she's raising the money. built over money out of a project like this which will accomplish nothing except for

giving her and hillary clinton participation certificates. i will never know. at the end of the day she has to produce $3.5 million because this is going to be extreme. neil: how much would a hand recount be? >> 3.5. $3.5 million. you are talking about the involvement of a whole bunch of poll watchers who will want to come in and make sure they are present in that you have attorneys on both sides will make sure the process is being done properly. it is a waste of time. america voted. america spoke. there was a huge dignity deficit that donald trump addressed and filled and he is now the president-elect. i'm sorry that there aren't a lot of folks that are very upset about that, but i do believe our president-elect has made good overtures towards healing this country politically and it begins in wisconsin. neil: botanic governor rebecca kleefisch, depreciated.

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neil: the white house will be sending any official delegation to the -- fidel castro funeral, they were told joe biden would go, he is going, the president isn't going, don't know what that means. american diplomats will not be in attendance at this funeral and it comes at a time when donald trump was tweeting celebratory notes that castro -- keep in mind you are probably if you are traveling as your own private citizen, any business leaders indicated they will. as far as the official representation from official washington in an official capacity no. kelly and conway has given the okay to dismiss romney and that comes ahead of a dinner the two are planning tonight. the olive garden or ted's steakhouse, around the block from here, charlie gasparino

knows it will. charlie wouldn't recognize a place that doesn't have a capital on the menu but he is here now. charles: we got you some steaks. neil: still waiting. what do you make of this? the process for mitt romney, you must want it. charles: here is the interesting behind the scenes, romney, i know this for a fact, the firsthand account was related this morning telling associates he is not lobbying for the job, he is being respectful. if donald trump once him and asks him he will take it. that is what he says but he is not lobbying, won't bag for it or ask for it. charles: at the golf club, the

president-elect to come. charles: that was set up by mike pence who is a mutual friend of both the vice president-elect -- neil: what if it is trump? charles: that is why romney is saying that, he is not begging. the minute jamie gaiman made it clear he doesn't want it trump's are a gets i saying donald doesn't respect him. >> how does mitt romney know the same thing won't happen to him? charles: the hedge fund executive had a show on our network until he went to the trump transition team, escorted general david petraeus into trump tower yesterday. he is pushing for trades with the secretary of state. charles: neil: a fundraiser for general david petraeus, a lot of bad blood there.

charles: i don't think anthony is particularly enamored of romney these days based on what he did with trump during the campaign. he was so vehemently anti-trump, never said anything about it, one thing to be a journalist, i reported on trump here and the stupid ing's he said it stuff i thought was bad, here is the good stuff and the bad stuff and the good stuff about hillary clinton, romney sided mpaign an annoyed anthony. you look what happened, the optics are interesting, he walked general david petraeus into trump tower, he is pushing for it and be clear, he and general david petraeus go back, he is an executive at private equity firm, probably some relationship with anthony. neil: general david petraeus was considered for defense. charles: it is all up in the air. neil: my crackpot theory that this is all theatrics.

charles: part of it is theatrics. it is a high level job scare over there and donald brings people in. it is what it is. jamie gaiman is not rushing to go to trump tower. charles: anyone turn it down? if you are interested in the job you have to come up and from what i understand you go from one floor like a screening process to the king's chamber, donald's chamber. neil: the conference room is where he waits? charles: this is what i heard. it was perfect -- he is like the wizard of oz. neil: pay no attention to the man. charles: that is another act.

and one of my concerns, what do i like about donald trump? he will usher in less regulation, open the capitalist system up, a good thing based on his advisors, what is the negative thing? it is a show. should this be a show? i don't think so. it demeans the office. neil: it is very transparent, you see him entering and leaving the building. charles: wasting time on that when you could be doing 40 other things. could be like president obama and do 40 other things that hurt the economy. and all his business interests kind of know them. the times is talking, the new york times, another bizarre thing with donald, he kissed their rear end last week, if you read that, he was sucking up, they came back the next day and

eviscerated him. all his business -- i am reading the story saying at least we know these conflicts. did we know the clinton foundation conflicts? an interesting couple years. neil: we will be at the olive garden, times square. all heart healthy. all right. jerome powell, one of the governors will be in on the next move if it is a rate hike but making the case for a rate hike, clearly strengthen for two days, the two day meeting, it will be given the hype. charles: they got hype because if the long bond is trading way up. the yield is up and factoring in inflation. donald trump will build

infrastructure. you have to raise rates in that environment. it could be a problem. neil: no problem with you, young man. charles: just taking care of business. neil: if it matter to you, america, it matters to charlie. all the rumors of apple's new phone for a 10 year anniversary, i don't know what the appeal is. do you? charles: barely know how to use this. i used to have a flip phone up until a couple days ago. neil: a little like that. we bullocks lane why apple thinks it could be paydirt.

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curveball. one of the things that is leaking out about the new phone that will be as big as it gets, as high-tech as it gets, on that and what that could mean, answer my dumb questions, help me with this. what is the appeal of a curved phone? why is that a big deal? >> there are three main reasons, the fact that it is more flexible means it won't shatter as easily. that has been a problem with a lot of phones, you get it and within a week the thing is cracked. neil: why won't it cracked if it is likely curved? >> the material that is used is bendable, it will absorb a shock easier. neil: that is one of the things out there. we will get into them. my crackpot. on this, i am pretty good at this, it is another reason not to buy a phone now. if you are looking to sell more

iphone 7s you are not -- the more this leaks out, i hear this is coming in 2017 possibly before october, why would i be in a rush to buy a phone right now? >> that is assuming a rational reason, people don't buy these phones for pragmatic reasons, they by because it is fashion, like a new thing. you and i could say it doesn't have many more features, who cares about the binsy material, it is like a foot phone again. you got to remember this has become not really a practical purchase. this has become fashion accessory. just like in fashion, you don't really need a new jacket, people want to look good, and a phone makes them feel they are on the cusp of this stuff. neil: are they doing anything

new? apple shareholders, decades now, my point is i don't see anything revolutionary, any company would salivate, and my hats off to them. expectations are so high unless they are reinventing the wheel, people move on. >> they are down. and as a company matures, this device has become common good. there's not a lot more to do. i did hear they are working on wireless charging feature but charging is still a pain. what you are feeling is what everyone is feeling.

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neil: all right, we just watched senator bob corker, he's chairman of the foreign relations committee, well regarded when it comes to foreign affairs. he is on that small list or now close to four or five people here for secretary of state. general david petraeus has entered that mix, of course, there's the big dinner with mitt romney tonight in new york with the president-elect. of course, rudy giuliani was first considered for the job but might not be such a gimme anymore. sometimes they clock these meetings as well, so corker just enters now, the record to beat is a little over an hour, hour

and 15 minutes thereabouts that mitt romney had with donald trump. rudy giuliani had two different meetings which put that over two hours, i'm told, so it's really in the eyes of the beholder whether the length of the meeting means anything, but i pass it along. refugee policy after this ohio state campus attack, authorities are not assigning any clear motive to the attacker yesterday who was killed, with but the fbi's emphasizing that they are going through his facebook postings as well as his high praise for the likes of awlaki and some other pretty bad guys. of course, the governor of virginia, was there for 9/11, jim gilmore. governor, good to have you. what do you make of what they're piecing together? they're looking for a motive. obviously, killing people comes to mind, but they're obviously trying to see whether there was

a wider or connection with isis or just bad folks in general, right? >> well, it may be, but there doesn't have to be. you can have people in this country who are susceptible to that message. people can hear these things, and if they're unstable to begin with, maybe they're going to turn around and do something like they were doing. and this just demonstrates anything can be a weapon, and it just gets amplified by the news media, and that's the struggle we're in right now. neil: the vehicle, he was trying to do a nice-style attack that killed more than 70 people in france. we had warnings over the thanksgiving holiday of similar attacks or threats from isis in new york. so they come up with different ideas based on the success of one idea, right? >> well, that's right. listen, neil, what i think needs to happen is this, i think the muslim community in the united states -- if we're going to continue to have people in the united states who are muslim --

they have to actually respond to a much more peaceful approach to the muslim faith. radical islam is trying to take over that faith and to make it an enemy of the west. i believe that the good leaders of the muslim community in the united states have a responsibility to reach out into their communities all across this country and to inform young people that murder, suicide, attacks and this kind of response to people like isis on the internet is wrong. and i think with that kind of moral leadership, you can begin to get a control and a handle on this thing. neil: still, you know, what we do know about his facebook posts, the attacker -- and the earliest, or the latest were written just hours before these attacks, and i guess they're going back now, finding what other venues he said things that were similar. but what do authorities do in that event to prevent future attacks? do you start culling through everyone's facebook? you know, rants? what do you do?

>> well, we're a free country, so you can't go into everybody's facebook and look over everybody's shoulder all the time. and that's why i'm emphasizing this. the message i'm getting out of the muslim community in the united states is don't attack us, don't blame us, don't focus on to us. that's the wrong message. the correct message is, listen, we're american citizens, we believe in this multicultural country, we have a role to play here, and we have a responsibility as americans to talk to our young people and to make sure that they understand that murder and a following of that kind of radical interpretation of islam is wrong. and that is part of the problem. now, also supporting our counterintelligence and our police officials, well, that's necessary too. when i chaired the gilmore commission, we emphasized the importance of local law enforcement as well as federal law enforcement. neil: governor, thank you very much for your wide and varied service to this country. appreciate it, sir. >> thank you, neil. neil: meanwhile, the war on isis is a high enterprise for the

president-elect which could explain why he's sort of widened the selection pool for secretary of defense. general david petraeus, for example, the latest name to be added to maybe secretary of state list as well, not just as defense secretary. we just i saw bob corker, the man who heads up the senate foreign relations committee, hop in an elevator on his way up to meet the president-elect. we've got reaction to all of these fast developments with general anthony zinnia, former commander of the middle east during the iraq war. general, thanks for coming by. >> good to be with you, neil. neil: do you think, general, it is important -- because i get extreme reactions, some who don't like the presence of a military figure in a cabinet post and others who do -- what is the benefit of having a general in a cabinet or in a position like this? >> well, i think in times of conflict, the military

experience and expertise would be valuable. men like george marshall, obviously, was a great contributor to strategic development planning, policy. in times of peace, maybe not so much. i think when you're talking secretary of state or even secretary of defense, there are other dimensions beyond the military or skill sets that that individual needs. obviously, he needs to understand the art of diplomacy, how relationships are built, you need to understand economics and how alliance building. you know, george marshall's greatest contribution and the one he won the nobel prize for was the marshall plan. that really wasn't militarily related. neil: yeah. >> obviously, there's a time when that may be more valuable than others. neil: what about now with general petraeus in that, you know, he faced a misdemeanor charge on sloppy handling of classified data, sharing it with

a mistress, and that supposedly eliminated him from any job high up in government, let alone secretary of state. obviously, donald trump feels otherwise. do you? >> well, i think that, obviously, that's going to be the president-elect's choice, how much that plays into the decision. i think we certainly know general petraeus' qualities. he was an excellent military leader, obviously was in the cia, and while he was there, did an excellent job are. so he brings a lot of talent into a position like that. neil: now, i guess what i'm saying, and this is outside your sphere because you very nicely avoid political arguments here, but the irony would be that the president-elect would turn to someone who was kind of compared to what hillary clinton was doing, and he yet might still, you know, put pressure on her as the president of the united states. do you think that it would be wise then for donald trump to look elsewhere just to stave off

talk that, oh, yeah, you're fine when it comes to someone who could join your team, not fine when it concerns the woman you beat for president of the united states? >> well, you know, first of all, let's look at our issues with isis, that's probably the biggest national security issue we have on the table. there's two parts to this. one is defeating isis. that's the secretary of defense, that's the military's responsibility. the second part is what comes afterwards and then what. and that's going to take a lot of skill, a lot of credibility, a lot of diplomacy to reconstruct syria, iraq, deal with people in the region, russia, the united nations, nato. and you don't want to be distracted from all that, and you certainly want to have the skills necessary in that area. finish so i think that's what needs to come into consideration for mr. trump. neil: you know, earlier on you might have heard, general, that we are not sending an official delegation -- that is, the president or vice president --

to fidel castro's funeral. i don't know whether that means lower ranking american diplomats would attend. we're told they can attend on their own as private citizens. i don't know what the deal is. but i do know that the former president of mexico, vicente fox, was comparing donald trump with fidel castro. i wonder if you would react to this. >> that kind of dictatorship, that kind of totalitarian leader is very similar to trump. they lie, they cheat, they are false prophets, they promise many things that they are not going to be able to comply -- >> comparing donald trump to fidel castro is beyond the pale. fidel castro was a murdering thugging who tortured people and, quite frankly, mr. president, i ask you to take that back, comparing fidel castro to donald trump. >> no, i don't take it back. neil: all right. so he didn't take that back with our dagen mcdowell but, general, what do you make of

that? he's not the only one who says stuff like this, and i'm just wondering how you think that, what our response should be? >> i don't think we should send anybody to his funeral. i mean, he's -- it's over. he was a disaster for his country. he nearly brought us to a conflict that would have been unimaginable. and i think we ought to move on from there. in no way should we try to memorialize him in any way or recognize him in any way. neil: but for the former president, vicente fox, to compare donald trump to castro, i don't know how people feel about donald trump, but i think that's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? >> oh, absolutely. [laughter] yeah, there is no comparison. i mean, we're talking about a dictator that committed the worst kinds of atrocities, and, you know, someone who is just about to embark on the presidency and needs an

opportunity to demonstrate his ideas and what he thinks is best for this country. a former president should not weigh in on this. this is the united states' business. neil: you know, general, real quickly, i know you've got to go, but we spend close to $600 billion a year on military, donald trump has said we have to spend more, beef up our navy, take fight to isis. all that could be very, very expensive. but in a budget of that size, how would you go about it? do you think we do need to spend much more than we are now, because these levels are at or near at least afghan/iraq war highs. what do you make of that? >> the first thing you do is look at your interests and threats around the world. that determines what kind of military you need. then you look at the kind of military you can afford, and then the subtraction leads you to where you're willing to take the risks. it isn't a matter of looking

directly at the budget and the money. look at what kind of military we need. if you can't afford the one we would prefer to have, then you make some hard, cold decisions on where you'll accept risk. neil: general, thank you very, very much. >> good to be with you, neil. neil: all right. there is another position that is probably proof positive that a huge bureaucracy needs a good doctor. tom price is going to be heading up health and human services. that is a trillion dollar budget institution. it has nearly 100,000 workers. think ibm with lots of syringes. after this. ♪ ♪

neil: i've been waiting to say this for this cabinet appointment, the price is right. [laughter] tom price from georgia to head up health and human services. okay. anyway, peter barnes on that and what that could mean, having a there, well schooled and a well known critic of obamacare. what do you think, peter? >> reporter: well, he's going to get to oversee a trillion dollar budget on nearly 100,000 people, a huge bureaucracy that he'll maybe get to shape. remember, this is a guy who proposed actual, serious legislation to dismantle obamacare rather than just talking about repealing and replacing it, so his appointment sends a serious signal from the president-elect about repealing and replacing obamacare as he promised. he's a doctor, chairman of the house budget committee, member of the house ways and means committee including the subcommittee on health. they have jurisdiction of health care and taxes. he's been in congress for six terms. in 2015 he introduced the empowering patients first act to

repeal obamacare. in its place he would offer age-adjusted tax credits for the purchase of individual and family health insurance policies, he would encourage people to open can contribute to health savings accounts, he would offer grants to statements to subsidize insurance for high risk populations, allow sales of health insurance policies across state lines to promote competition, and his bill would allow small businesses to band together in professional associations to purchase and provide coverage to members through health association plans, give them bargaining power. neil? neil: peter barnes, thank you very much, my friend. a former reagan economic adviser, art lover, on whether -- art laffer, president-elect trump very, very serious about ending this thing. could be easier said than done, art, what do you think? >> i think tom price can do it. he's the plan, the detail, the line items, i think tom price is

one of the best choices trump could possibly make for hhs. i love the man. i've worked for him for a lot of years, i did a fundraiser in georgia about a year ago. he's one of the best congressmen in america, and in this position he can really make a difference. neil: you know what always comes up, art, okay, fine. what are you going to do about the 20 million who are already getting coverage right now, just take it away from them? you say what? >> i say the taxes are the real problem here. and if you have people with insurance that are getting subsidized, i think health savings accounts and some of these other ways of doing it is better. you know, everyone talks about insurance, neil, as being the right thing. i don't think insurance is everything for everyone. a lot of people shouldn't have insurance, or if we do, we should just have catastrophic insurance for really big item tickets. but you shouldn't be insured for your annual physical check-up, for minor things. that's not where insurance should play. insurance should be for events that are really catastrophic.

otherother than that, i don't tk insurance is the right thing to do. neil: you know what i always wonder about, art, the cost of health care is always skyrocketing. with this plan, without this plan. it's a sad commentary maybe on the affordable care act when they like to brag about the costs of overall health care, the rate of increase the lowest it's been in, whatever, 11 years -- [laughter] that is your bragging point. it is still going up. >> terrible. neil: how do republicans counter that, that they can at least freeze that, slow that, maybe even reverse that? >> well, but the real thing is when you subsidize a product, obviously, the sellers of that product are going to take a lot of that gain in higher prices. that's why tuition prices are so high -- neil: exactly. >> because of student loans. exactly why health care costs, a private system keeps those costs down. and, frankly, insurance -- if you look at how much cost insurance adds to medical care and how much oversight and how much bureaucratic expenses it adds -- it's really very large. that's why i don't think everyone in america needs

insurance, and if they do, they need it for very small amounts of activities like catastrophic. but not for everything. they shouldn't have it for everything. same thing with education. i mean, you know, the more the government subsidized education, the more it costs and the worse it is. and that's exactly what's happening with obamacare as well as education. it's a tragedy. we're destroying a lot of our country with these programs. neil: you know, while i have you here, art, there is talk they might have to push back some of the individual tax cuts to make way and room for other initiatives in the first hundred days of the trump administration. i think that would be a bad idea because you have a brief window to do this. what do you think? >> i agree. yeah, i think it'd be a very bad idea. there's nothing like slowing down the economy to make something affordable. not. it makes no sense whatsoever. [laughter] the problem with our country is that we need economic growth to be able to afford a lot of these programs, a lot of these things

we wanted to do. infrastructure spending, defense spending, a lot of these programs are important. but what we did with reagan is we cut the tax rates, got the economy growing first, and then with this increased output, employment, production into surplus, we could then use those resources to really make a difference in our defense and in our infrastructure in the u.s. that's the way you should go. and you shouldn't cut, you shouldn't cut social programs in the first couple of years because very seriously, neil, a school lunch program is a necessity when both parents are un'em employeed. -- unemployed. when both parents have a job, then you can cut it. but you shouldn't cut the social programs first. frankly, we can afford to wait a little bit on some of the defense spending, some of the infrastructure spending that we really need to get the economy growing, and that requires tax rate reductions, period. you've got to make work more attractive. neil: i like the thinking behind that, to do some of these things when the economy picks up to

warrant doing them. all right, art, thank you, or very good seeing you. >> thank you, neil. neil: all right. in the meantime, airport workers are going along with this strike at o'hare's national airport, o'hare is already causing some delays and some disruptions. these workers, most of them paid at the minimum wage, and a lot of them there either clean up the planes or provide handicap access for those to get on planes. now they're saying we need our share. question is, who pays for that? invariably, you do. after this. ♪ ♪

neil: those historic wildfires are forcing thousands to evacuate gatlinburg, tennessee. so far a hundred homes have been damaged or destroyed. dollywood is imperilled as we speak. also get being the latest on that plane that carried the brazilian soccer team that crashed in colombia. five survived including a few of

those soccer players. they're still not sure what brought this thing down in the middle of the night. and airport workers are still protesting for a $15 an hour minimum wage. jeff flock's at o'hare international in chicago where some of these strikes are popping up across the country as well. jeff, what's the latest? >> reporter: big crowd out here at o'hare, neil, more than a thousand people, perhaps, between terminals two and three here at o'hare. now, they never intended to shut down the airport, but they did want to make their voice heard, and i tell ya, if you're out here listening, maybe you hear their voice heard. obviously, mcdonald's workers around the country also today demonstrating for $15 an hour. funny, i just talked to a young lady over here who has worked for one of the contracting companies that handles the cleaning at o'hare. she says she's worked here 16 years.

diana, you said you worked here 16 years -- >> i've just been advised not to talk to you guys. >> reporter: by this guy here? now, why did you do that, sir? hey, you, come here. why did you do that? hey, buddy,sciu guy, have the courage to turn around and talk to me instead of trying to stifle people's ability to talk. the woman had a good story to tell, and you tried to cut it off. you're just on live television here on the fox network. this guy just tried to stop me from interviewing somebody. i don't like that. i don't like that. >> we're not doing that. >> reporter: you are doing that. this guy did it right here. don't like that at all, neil. i tell ya, that pisses me off. i'm sympathetic to a lot of people's concerns. this woman here, she's worked for 16 years for a company. she says they make her work seven hours a day, so she doesn't get overtime or benefits. that's a great story. i don't know why they didn't

want me to tell that, but that's a great story. that shows the injustice. >> yes, it is. it is injustice. >> reporter: yeah. >> yeah. i -- like i said, i work for a company, and i've been out here for 16 years, and i make about a little over $11 an hour. and we work seven hours a night. >> reporter: you don't get benefits -- >> there's no holiday pay or anything of that nature. >> reporter: i hear ya. diana, thank you very much. i appreciate you talking to us. here's the problem, neil. people have a fair story to to tell. people can disagree about it, but when these union guys come in and try to cut you off, that i don't like. i don't appreciate that at all. back to you. neil: you are absolutely right, jeff. very good job, my friend. jeff flock. all right, well, you know, it's not just airports. fast food workers, uber drivers joining in from coast to coast. labor policy experts say hiking

wages will backfire on the people profrom testing. why do you think that'imes you't heavier on organizers and lighter on workers. and all of it isn't about $15 an hour, all of it is about getting more dues money for the sciu, and they don't care what happens to these workers as long as it gets more money for them. that's the bottom line for them. >> reporter: dan, don't you think that guy -- whatever your position on this -- should have

talked, should have said something to explain their position? >> sorry, neil, i couldn't quite hear you. just to respond to vincent, i don't think this is a case of just the union doing what's good for the union. obviously, the union is representing workers not just in chicago, but in atlanta, st. louis and across the country. and the fundamental issue here is we have an economy that has moved very well for people at the top. but even the president would admit over the last seven, eight years, folks at the bottom of the economy have not seen those gains, and we haven't had a raise in the minimum wage since 2009. neil: so, dan, what would be the harm, what would be the harm then if this sciu representative spoke to our jeff flock to explain just what you explained? whether you agree or disagree? >> oh, sure. look, i think this is what we should be talking about today, and not about some of the crazier things happening in the trump transition that are distractions. this is an important issue. this election was decided, and i say this as someone from the

clinton campaign who believes we didn't do a good enough job talking to voters about this sincere economic issue in the middle of the country. neil: a lot of them were blaming the present administration. but leaving that aside, vincent, i'm wondering what the fallout from this is because you always hear it's one thing to push for a higher wage, another thing to push for what was effectively a doubling of it. and someone has to pay that bill. now, the argument i hear from many on the left is people will gladly pay more for any one of these services, presumably even higher ticket prices at an airport to do that. would they? >> well finish. >> sure, i think -- little exemption if you're under a union contract, you don't have

to pay $15 an hour, but we'll leave that aside. guess what started happening? employees started to lose benefits such as free parking, free uniforms because the company had to figure out how to keep the books balanced. so you're talking about ticket passengers having to pay more and them losing out, i'm talking about the workers themselves missing opportunity, having to be laid off and also losing benefits, and they're the ones that are suffering worth of all -- neil: dan, what do you think of that? with the best of intentions, what happens is the very folks protesting are the ones who could lose their job. >> sure. you could find a case of having to pay for a uniform that used to be free, but the results overall, benefits economically of increasing wages for low income workers. you do that, you raise the floor, you get better job growth -- neil: doubling it or just raising it? >> this letter was $10.10 an hour. i think you can have a reasonable debate, neil, about the number.

but it's pretty clear these are legitimate economickens. neil: -- concerns. neil: i'm glad you spoke out on that. i wish the representative would have to jeff flock, but it kind of hurts the cause when you don't preach your cause. all right, a secret ballot vote ready to lead democrats. who do you think's going to lead that? ♪ ♪

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neil: nancy pelosi running scared about her leadership democrats in peril funny way of showing it, reminding colleagues in week ago in a letter she has more than enough votes to secure leading another term. stephen lynch, throwing his support behind ohio congressman tim ryan. good to have you. >> thank you, neil. neil: you were careful in your own release, nothing personal or bad about nancy pelosi but paraphrasing here it was time for new leadership but aren't that many share your view, maybe half a dozen, upwards of a dozen. it would take 100 votes to put mr. ryan in that leadership position. so what do you think of your chances? >> i think that's the magic of a secret ballot. that is, what we're going to have. there are members who are reluctant, i understand that, to come out and publicly support tim ryan. but i know they're out there.

we'll get more votes than just the people who have come out publicly. i really, truly believe that. there are a lot more democrats who believe it is time for a change. they don't want to risk committee assignments or anything else that might befall them for openly coming out for tim ryan. neil: you might be right. i see eight names including yourself who would officially go out. >> up to 10. neil: 90 to go. >> yeah. neil: there aren't any others in the race at this point. do you envision someone else who could join mr. ryan? the argument being that would further divide the anti-pelosi vote? >> no, i think this is it. there are a couple of others that considered it, but they have not announced. so tim, tim is running by himself against leader pelosi. neil: what do you think he would bring to the table then? she argues experience. she knows how to the things done. you say what? >> well, perspective, one thing.

now i will admit that mrs. pelosi is very good with the donor class about raising money but, you know, campaigns are about ideas as well. i think that tim ryan is as different from nancy pelosi as san francisco is different from youngstown, ohio. and i think we need to do much more work as democrats to back those issues that unify us. economic struggles you've been describing earlier today on your show are affecting a lot of americans and they don't really feel the democrats are in their corner. that we care about them and we are fighting on their behalf. that is a break from their past. we always has a party, democrats championed the cause of oppressed people in our society and should keep doing that, but lately, we have really not been forceful advocates on behalf of just working americans and you

know, that has hurt us and i think that's why a lot of american workers, union and non-union, supported donald trump and the republicans in the last election because they don't hear us talking about them. they hear us talking about a lot of issues. i don't really feel that they believe we are in their corner. i'm a former iron worker, former union president. i heard from plenty of my former colleagues and coworkers that, i was trying to get them to vote for hillary clinton and vote democratic but, you know, they were telling me that they felt that donald trump was someone who is more attentive to what their issues were. neil: that is very interesting. congressman lynch, thank you for taking the time. we appreciate it. >> thank you, neil. neil: all right. well we just noticed congressman mic call mccaul is at the trump tower. on short list for homeland security. i believe that is the post people are looking at.

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nevertheless he still tweets. that resonates with a lot of people, probably concur with him that some punishment should befall those who do this, but others say, hey, you're president of the united states you have to stop this. shows no signs of doing so. what do you think? >> about to assume the greatest, most powerful position in the land. when he tweets things like this alarms a lot of people. if trump woke up and said flag burn something for losers or choke artists or idiots would be having a much different conversation. he said it should be illegal and proposed idea of stripping people of their citizenship you which is something the supreme court said can not be used as a form of criminal punishment. not only trump is using his first amendment right to free speech to tweet whatever he wants as president-elect, he is attacking free speech for other people because it is, the supreme court did rule that flag burn something, as disgusting as offensive as it may be it is constitutionally protected free speech. neil: i think he knows that.

i think he is very pragmatic, and more than he is given credit for you but he knows how to elicit a reaction and a anger a lot of people feel when they see this sort of thing. i think he, the you know this stuff far better than i, he will work on emotional and intellectual level with americans. >> he does. neil: to desired effect. what do you think? >> that is absolutely right. he was very effective doing so over past year-and-a-half. that is why where he is now. he is about to be the president. it is also, it makes people scratch their heads a little bit though, given the power he now holds, people are wondering if he should be tweeting at all. if he should wake up at 6:00 in the morning and attacking americans for exercising their freedom of speech. he really knows how to drive the conversation. that is another part to this story is, is he waking up creating a storyline because he doesn't want something else to be covered or something else to be focused on. we're talking about flag burning and there are a lot of other stories out there leading up to

his inauguration. neil: i didn't even think of that, shelby. thank you very, very much. >> thank you. neil: shelby holiday, "wall street journal" video reporter, senior video reporter. meanwhile, did jill stein just admit to our kennedy that the entire consequence of this recount going on in up to a few states is fundamentally flawed? >> there is no evidence, there is no evidence until you look for it. that is the thing about hacking into our voting system. >> often times there is evidence and then you do further investigation when you have initial evidence. >> well, and that is what we're doing with these three states. looking for a medicare prescription drug plan

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and we saw the voter database hacked into in arizona, illinois. that is proven. >> would you agree in order to hack into something you have to be connected to the internet? >> i'm not talking about the election system. i'm talking about a voter database, a state database of voters. that is not what you vote on. this is like, wh to vote. neil: you know, the killer, that was not the best part of it, guys, i'm very mad at my staff. because what happened, kennedy alienated another guest and, you know, she is running out of guests. she is here now. it was fantastic interview seriously. >> thank you. neil: not coming back anytime soon. >> the show is getting lonelier, neil. neil: that is fine. i think puppet tricks you do are working. a lot of this didn't dawn on her or she was prepared to answer. >> yeah. neil: the best part of that, you was the little later on saying,

you have a few states that if closer margin you could apply the same litmus test and they were hillary clinton states so what are you doing here? what did you find out? >> she really didn't have an answer. she said there were perceived voting irregularities on some of the electronic machines, mostly in wisconsin, pennsylvania and michigan. and one of those states is actually all paper ballot. but what about new hampshire? that was my question? very close state. neil: right. >> that went to hillary clinton. what about minnesota? and, i think if this recount effort is going to have some integrity you're going to have to look beyond the states if they flipped would give hillary clinton the presidency. neil: that is al gore thing. recount only those democratic counties. he is on the wires speaking to a group we have to get rid of electoral college but they pick and choose their battles to say that those states donald trump won, in this case, that is what brings out the cynic and clearly you to say, wait a minute, you're not being consistent in this argument.

>> it is not a multipartisan effort as she claims. she reached out to the trump campaign. she reached out to gary johnson who was on the libertarian ticket. interesting thing i will talk about this on my show tonight. neil: any guests or no? >> sorry. are you available? neil: right. >> george soros funded in 2014 a $5 million effort, series of lawsuits against republican voter sub depression with mark elias, who is hillary clinton's campaign lawyer, and hillary clinton -- neil: what are they claiming? hacking could be a real risk and a problem when even the clinton spokesman has gone out their way to say you know, probably won't overturn the result. >> there is no one that said they have seen hacking. there are anonymous and top level computer scientists, that data looks weird in counties where there were electronic voting systems. but you can't hack those particular machines. that is the point i was trying to make to sure. she was trying to make the

direct connection between john podesta's emails being hacked, dnc being hack and voter registration roles. that those things happened these machines were hacked. if that the case was donald trump right all along? is the system rigged. neil: we're hearing reversed. it cams down to overturn the results to make up for 23,000 gap in wisconsin or 11,000 gap in michigan or the 70,000 gap in pennsylvania. >> in pennsylvania. no, doesn't seem like it es going to be, in 2004 there was independent party recount requested of the gore and, bush and kerry race and only 285 votes shifted. so, again if they have these massive recounts which do take time, there is question whether or not they will make the deadline. neil: they have to do it fast. >> have to do it by december 13th. good luck finding guests t was riveting.

neil: do we have it up at the website? if we don't i will get mad. you don't want to see me mad. like out of prime rib at the buffet, ugly. moore after this. :

. >> reporter: you say you worked here 16 years? >> i've been advised not to talk to you guys. >> reporter: you've been advised not to talk to us by this guy here? why did you do that? hey, buddy. hey, why don't you turn around and have the courage to turn around and talk to me instead of trying to stifle people's ability to talk. the woman had a good story to tell, and you tried to cut it off. nice job. i'm glad you did. that you're just on live television on the fox network. this guy tried to stop me from interviewing somebody. i don't like that, i don't like that. you are doing that. this guy did it right here. don't like that at all, neil! >> that is pretty brave.

that is jeff flock, and he's got two welts beneath his eye. we cut to commercial. that's amazing, you're going to have a union representative getting these people to strike outside an airport. trish regan, you think they'd be gutsy enough to explain their position rather than hide from jeff flock who just wants the truth. trish: don't do that to jeff flock, you see what happens. >> i'm never going to get in a fight with him never. we're going to talk to jeff in chicago in just a moment. thanks so much, neil. a lot breaking. president-elect donald trump is expected to officially announce his pick for transportation secretary any minute now. the nomination hours after he tapped georgia representative tom price to be secretary of health and human services. question looms is he going to ask mitt romney to be secretary of state? the two are having dinner tonight and we have the intel. i'm trish regan, welcome everyone, to "the intelligence report". sources are telling fox elaine