kennedy: you know what? 2016 has been stesful at times. america had to choose between donald trump fan hillary clinton. and we had a lot of maalox and stiff drinks along the way. and they are still talking about the legitimacy of the president-elect. let's look back at the stars, geniuses and loveable weird owes that came on this very show. the 2015 election between donald

trump and hillary clinton exposed american vote toarls the least popular candidates running at the same time. liberals lashed out at jill stein and gary johnston as spoilers who hands the presidency to donald trump. then came the but hama about the electoral college. nirvana co-founder joins me. you don't just pick one asked, you number all candidates by preference. >> you know when you vote in a primary election and you vote for your favorite candidate. they count the votes. if your favorite candidate wins you go to the general election and you vote for them again. but if your favorite candidate loses in the primary then you have got to pick a second choice. so it folds the primary and general election into oneri election because you have the

ability to rank candidates. your favorite candidate down as number 1 and acceptable as number two. if you don't have any more candidates you like, you descroanlts to rank anymore. kennedy: i heard ralph nader say none of the above is one of the choices. >> no, this has nothing to do with none of the above it doesn't waste your time. this gives voters power. so you can ve your conscience. you can vo for a candidate you want to see elected without super worrying about somebody getting elected you don't wantnt elected at all. kennedy: you have been joke am in our support of former governor gary johnson. people must tell you you are throwing your vote away, destroying the election and that is a spoiler candidate. what do you say to that?

>> i say forget it. the current rules give people incentive to vote strategically. on my facebook feed people are freak out over donald trump and hillary clinton. so i'm going to do this rating system. if you are super freaked out about donald trump. you get five red hats. if you are freaked out about hillary clinton getting elected you get five pant suits. with ran with rank choiced voting you put down your favorite candidate. if they don't get a majority, if no one gets a majority they kick out the last place vote getter. and we distribute those voters second and third choice to the remaining voters. kennedy: you know how i feel about redistribution, it sounds like communism. >> it's not communism.

who voted under come snism? nobody. kennedy: literally you came from maine and they are talking abous this system in their state. what did you hear from people? >> people are excited. there is a loo -- there is a lof tension.e. 2.4 million people vote in 10 cities in local elections it's a system in use in the united states. they love it it's a popular system. itives vers more power. that's why i'm excited about it. kennedy: voters feel disenfranchised. i think donald trump is tapping into that talking about the rigged systems, which i don't necessarily agree with him but that's neither here nor there. >> i don't agree it's rigged. but i think we need more choices. we go to the supermarkets and we choose our cell phones and we

are all connected and we go to the voting booth and we get a binary choice between two candidates. kennedy: protests sprung up across the land after the election. in portland 7 out of 10 demonstrators didn't turn in a ballot or show up to vote. did someone miss the memo? >> you have those folks, any time there is trouble they will be attracted the to it. i'm more interested in people who are genuine in their protesting. for me, it what's are you trying to accomplish? you go out and showing the world you are angry. guess what, sunshine. no one cares. if you want to do something constructive, get out of your echo chamber. get off facebook and social

media where everybody is talking about things you agree with, stop denigrating people you don't agree with and go talk to your neighbor. you will find they are not a homophobe racist it's a hard working decent person fed up with a permanent washington political overclass.er they are tired of people in washington not look out for their interests. but look out f the interests of the rich and powerful. it sounds a lot like bernie sanders. people in general say the same thing. they want a decenting there for their families. but instead of starting from that point, we start with what we disagree on and how to reach that. what is much more constructive is if we did talk about what brings us together and what we all want. you are not going to do that by causing all sorts of property damage.. kennedy: where you landed,

people are better off when they start free. what do you think the ultimate goal is here? do they want the election overturned? >> some genuinely do.it and they could be proactive in many things.o but unfortunately you can vote and get a sticker but no one is going to notice you doing it. a lot of times when you come down to it people who don't know facts except what they read on facebook from their friends, for most part people agree on 90% of everything. that's how you take out the establishment and get someone in. i think everyone just wants to be a huge chunk who aren't registered and didn't vote. they want to be a part of something so they can be in the me generation, look i was at that parade.e. look at this sign i made.

isn't it funny? what's your goal here? i wanted everyone to see me on social media. if you are coming together for a cause, that's fantastic. if you want to hope the electoral college loophole can go through, that's great. i have a brother in california marching with so many people. he's a little left, i'm a little right. but we tend to agree on common sense things. i say what are you here for. i'm with my friend at the rally. that's not the right reason. kennedy: the question ultimately is, is this real involvement? but if occupy wall street has told us anything, the answer is no. >> if any of these people had gone and voted -- not california, but a few things would have changed. it would be something different. kennedy: one of the biggest political and sports

controversies of the year, san francisco 49ers quarterback colin kaepernick refused to stand during "the national anthem," saying he did it to protest police brutality and it spread to other sports. >> the general overview is oppression happens. in this country there is regulated to race or class a worse treatment for some people outer appears to. but what he says a solution is what we are not hearing and it's simply police should be trained better in how intoer act with the public. -- how to interact with the public. we have an opportunity in this moment. we only stand for "the national anthem" because of athletes. i don't support all our wars, but i support our soldiers. kennedy: i agree with that statement completely.

it's only been the national an them since the 1930 olympics. the significance is an athlete is choosing to say i'll kneel respectfully but i'll do it because i want police reformation in this country. kennedy: we talked on this show about criminal justice reform, and practical matters and ways police departments can better interface with community of color. it's not necessarily specific criminal justice reform when he says i'm not standing up because of oppression. i could retire on his $11.8 million of oppression a year. that's not oppression. >> that's the first part of his statement. i see oppression on this group of people.op he talks about police violence.

in atlanta, a young man was shot in a car. a policeman said the car was suspected stolen, found out to be not true. he said the young man was essentially coming at him, turned out not to be true. that policeman was fired and brought up on charges and he will be prosecuted. if we start seeing more of that, you don't start seeing this young man stand as i'm sure he wants to for our national anthem. look at the justice department report in ferguson. even though no one got prosecuted, it says these people are being prosecuted by police departments. not only black people. poor people are being percent cute. kennedy: in cities like bell people are taken advantage of and once they get out of the system, it's impossible for them to get out of it.em >> it's not just a blackpr problem.

poor white people in arkansas and mississippi, tennessee, north georgia, think about your experiences with tickets and illegal search and seizure and kneel with him.ure and l if our police departments get out of their car and communicate with people i guarantee you will see us all standing up patriotically. kennedy: what is the point where colin kaepernick and other people talking about this issue will acknowledge things are getting better. i'm not going to kneel. this country has been great to my country. they were poor farmers from romania and they came over and made a life for themselves. >> better is not american. i don't want better. i want my full constitutional rights. kennedy: i think everyone is equal under the law and everyone deserves to have their full

constitutional rights. when you have police precincts that are shown to particularly target certain areas, we know that's against the constitution and we should be supporting efforts to choose that. better than having cancer this remission. best is i totally wiped it out and i died peacefully at home at 80 years old.ld but we should want full constitutional rights for he american or anything short of that is not better. that is not better. kennedy: up next. if you're going to wish, wish big at the

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my boss. and, you know, we came up with what his answer was, and it's so funny. many people are arguing with the guy who created the character. they say i think you are dead wrong. kennedy: why not gary johnson? >> he's a bit of a lightweight. just because there is a libertarian doesn't mean it's the best choice. kennedy: what is the one element of libertarianism that you internalized from your character. >> what i do on my property is none of your business. kennedy: that's absolutely right.t.ro >> i guess i always felt that way but i didn't know it had a term. i agree with you guys. kennedy: i want to talk about the book it's a textbook it'st' heavy, it's meaty, it offers

recipes, odes to wood and tomorrow foolery. >> it's my first book it's a textbook. i wanted people to be able to bite for their kids without worrying about jokes about genitalia. you come from generations of wood workers. w you grew up learning how to make things out of wood having watched your dad find his way through the process. >> my uncles and grandfathers are all great users of tools. and that sort of dish funneled that into scenery building and furniture and boats and stuff. >> you actually have a functioning wood shop. and when you are off as you were this summer with your wife doing a comedy tour, there were people still making stuff.

>> they are right now, making sawdust. kennedy: are you resentful of the amish. >> they never have to answer tweets, for example. and they get a lot of work done. those amish. kennedy: if you woke up and your arms were branches and your fingers were sticks, how would you feel? >> wooden.ou >> you love wood so much that a part of you actually became wood. >> i would be horrified at such a super natural transformation because although i love wood, i also love meat. but if my arms were turned into bacon that would be terrifying. kennedy: would you eat them? >> if it was irreparable, i

wouldn't want the bacon to go to waste. kennedy: are you zen buddhist? >> not officially. but i follow a zen path. i was taught by a japanese zen artist in college. and he taught several zen disciplines. so he laid a bunch of wisdom on me that i stuck with, eventh though i never had to sign up for the zen club.ha kennedy: the book is very t impressive. i tried to make a craftsman lamb but i electrocuted myself. >> you could always set a candle on it. kennedy: nick offerman. good, clean fun. if you love wood as much as you love nick offerman, get a bunch

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kennedy: this election the debates were a thing of beauty. fierce back-and-forth battles

between political adversaries. perfect for a drinking game. so we invited on a greasy spoon icon and world renowned chef to talk about that as well as his new cookbook. >> will you do all the promo bits for me? >> if you make stuff in here and feet feed my gull the, i'm make the lentil doll chowder tonight. >> i saw the knows. someone earmarked it. well done. kennedy: this is going to be one of the few cook boocts that i have in my kitchen. i'm always amazed. i watch your show i'll i'm on the treadmill. you have so much concentrated information, and you are going to specialists, people make various dishes that they learned how to perfect over decades and you still know more than they

do. >> i'm glad you see that. it's really probably the key to the show. not every chef can fell you exactly what they are doing -- can tell you every step and have that flow. but because i'm standing on the side and tino what the flow is, they give me what they give me and i fill in the holes. it's one of the keys to the show. the requirement is, knowing all these different cull tiewrts of food, styles of food, me thofds creating great food. you do. you are the amalgamator. you bring people together and fill in the details on the story. kennedy: if i were trying food, i would say it's so good. but you describe the reason it's important to have the texture in

foods. when my daughter was 3 years old you taught me to always involve your kids in the kitchen. it's important on so many levels, including allowing them to be independent. >> when you give kids the education about food, eating good food, making good food, being aware of good food, necessity get to make better choices as young adults and take more pride in what they are going to eat instead just consuming anything they can finds that ghoafs a microwave. my dad wrote the foreword of the book. did i learn to cook because i wanted to pick the menu or was it because i wanted to get out of the dishes. i hate doing the dishes. when i started this book, the

book wasn't the inspiration, the flame was. i said hunter is getting ready to go off to college.ar i'm trying to make sure his recipe catalog is ready to gour and i'm spending time at home doing stuff with the family.sp i rattled off a few dishes and she said great, let's do a book about that. kennedy: you are now a vinter. and you have hunt and ride named after your two sons. >> hunter is a sophomore in college. ryder is an 11-year-old in fifth grade. we do a pinot. kennedy: would you say your pinot riefltt rivals the russiac

in washington? you know, in this political season, it's bent most difficult thing, not trying to figure out who is going to become president it's what's the best drinkingth game for these presidential debates? >> if you put one together i think you have all the energy and enthusiasm you can turn things in the direction. kennedy: we have a clip right here. watch this.yo >> because you would be jail. he owes the president an apology, he owes our country an apology. kennedy: i'm not proud of it.. i'm super proud of it. i got you. kennedy: i love this show. you get it real. you get it real. >> get some of the juice. kennedy: coming up, we'll get

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kennedy: the 90s are having a bit of a moment. nostalgia for the much-maligned decade, particularly the music. the former frontsman of skid

row. and i asked him if he ever those would make it out alive. >> when you are that age you think you are indestructible. you don't think it's bad for you. back then we didn't not was very bad for you. i remember vividly when the basketball player len bias died and it was big news. he just dropped dead. we didn't know that was possible. but we found out that it's not only possible, but probable. kennedy: let's talk about music. obviously the scene you were thrust into in the late 80s changed have much when drunk whe came on the scene. >> when did i realize it? i think i realized it when i saw

the video, "it smells like team spirit." there was never any video or song like that before it was a new song and people were responding to it. but what goes around comes around. now the biggest tour in town is guns and rose or ac/dc who have the same singer. so, you know, music is cyclical. and people will always love rock 'n roll. it gets passed down through the generations. iron made has never been bigger than right now. it's kind of crazy. >> you talk about the rainbow. d the world nearly stopped a year ago when he passed away. that was when everyone sort ofon took stock in their love of music and the influential people. >> i was fortunate to be in theu

band that sang for lemme at his last birthday. kennedy: were you close with him? >> yeah. he was always a big skirt row fan. and hand he would call me up ane to my shows. we miss david bowie and we miss prince.>>s it goes on and on and on. kennedy: how will a trump presidency affect music? and will it be for the better of society? i think it's too early to see how donald trump will affectct anything because he's brand-new. i have no idea. let's go for it.t. let's do it. fingers crossed. kennedy: the best part of your book and the thing that will sell millions of copies. on

look at the inside jacket cover. is that not extraordinary? was that your jd idea? >> yes. it's like tiger meat with the pullout poster. thanks for coming by. great to see you. kennedy: a legend from another era. meatloaf sold over 80 million record. after more than four decade in the studio and on stage, he's pretty much done. he told us how he came to that life-changing decision. take it away, meatloaf. >> i decided to do a christmas album called the hot holidays. it will be all duets. i'll ask garth, steven tyler.>>e pearl.da

kennedy: with this new record you wanted to relights as one track. you have written with jim steinman for the better part of 44 years. >> jim has written, i just correct it. kennedy: you wanted to release it as one track but you cobble on itunes. that must be frustrating. >> itunes and apple music, it's all about tracks. the first song on the record is called "who needs to be young." there are three songs jimmy wrote when he was 1 years old. one of those was called "who need to be young." at 19. so he's not a method writer. he doesn't write anything about this life. i'm not a method singer. i'm an actor. everything is a character. so on this album, every song was

sung by a 19-year-old. kennedy: that exquisite partnership aloud you to inhabit that role. >> i look at scripts. somebody asked me in england, well, you are 8. how can you possibly think like a 19-year-old? i looked at them and said it's walled back story. you create a back story for the character. when you get to be 19, you just stop them. kennedy: you are part of donald trump's back story. you came in third, you were considered the real winner. everyone knew those two would make it to the top. do you think donald trump based on what you saw in your action, do you think he could be president?? >> i'll repeat dolly parton's phrase. the american system is very good and i'm sure that people will make the right choice. kennedy: that's a very safe

answer from a dangerous rock star. ' the question i have often asked musicians, how did they get their start? some came from musical families, but others had parents who hate wad they did, like electronic dance music star had a strict father who created benihana. >> my mom was my rock and stayed with me and was all source of humility and strength. and just tlc. just being a great mom. so having her balancing it out, having both was great. it's one thing to be hardened, and i of course appreciate that. just like anything. if you don't learn struggle,

then you won't survive. i think that's an important lesson. if you say there is no road to get out and you have to figure it out on your own or you sit down in the dark dungeon until you figure it out.du kennedy: even if you were in that dungeon. beautiful music has come from that. you didn't have a rope. you are self-made, now "forbes"f says you are one of the most successful deejays in the world. michael phelps was listening to you before one of his races. >> i love michael phelps. i taught him about being a deejay and he taught me to swim. there is some basic swimming lessons i didn't know about that he taught me in like a minute. so you have to be totally level

and flat on the surface and then you can go faster. kennedy: what did you teach him about music? >> you want to tell a story. it's not just beat matching. mixing is important. but you want to make sure there is a story you are telling. kennedy: we go from music to science. is time travel possible, and if so, can we go back in time to we live in a pick and choose world. love or like? naughty or nice? calm or bright? but at bedtime... ...why settle for this? enter sleep number, designed to let couples sleep together in individualized comfort. sleepiq technology tells you how you slept and what adjustments you can make. she likes the bed soft. he's more hardcore. so your sleep goes from good to great to wow! give the gift of amazing sleep. only at a sleep number store,

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kennedy: if you hate the direction the country is going, i have got good news. some scientists say time travel might be possible thanks to a theory claiming there are multiple parallel universes all around us. with the application of quantum mechanics we can get there. i asked astrophysicist kneel degrasse tyson if time travel is possible. >> you can time travel to the future. kennedy: by going faster than the speed of light. >> time ticks more slowly for you. but then you come back and all your loved ones are dead. it comes with its own set of complications. time travel backwards has alwayl

been a little more challenging. there are solutions to einstein's equations that allow backward time travel. though stephen hawking is suggesting the day we start doing that we may discover a new law of physics that says you can't disrupt causality. you go back in time and prevents your parents from meeting one another, then you are not born, then you don't exist enough to go back in time. kennedy: let's talk about this many worlds interpretation thatt there are parallel universes with different outcomes and every possible outcome. >> so in the multi verse there is no reason think there couldn't be an unlimited infinite number of universes if that's the case. >> one possible outcome. >> one possible outcome of this configuration of atoms and energy. if you have an unlimited number

of them, in african, ever d then principle, i'm wearing black and you are wearing red, but everything else is identical.'d you can have variations in then' universe. and we don't know what happenss to your consciousness. if i exist in my identical self in another universe we don't understand consciousness to answer that question. kennedy: does that have anything to do with super position, with measuring something affects the outcome. >> the measurement of something affecting the outcome. that requires very small atomic and molecular. i'm noting your outcome by look at you. the way it works is simple. this light shining on you and

you are just fine, illuminated by the stage lights. particles, if i want to photograph it, we say packagege because we don't have the word in the middle to assign to it. they tried wavical. so what was i talking about. kennedy: light is shining. >> i say where is the particle. let's shine a light on it. the particle is so small that the packets of light shine on w it. kennedy: can we go visit ourselves? >> it does not look like that's the case. you allocated 8 minutes to talk about the universe? kennedy: that's why everyone has to read your book. >> two of my colleagues, there is a course we taught at

princeton on astrophysics. this book is a milewide and a mile deep. you can go deep wherever youee want and learn how to travelw backwards in time. learn why pluto got demoted. learn from what's going not universe and how and why it works. kennedy: gold, guts and glory.

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kennedy: welcome back. i hope you are having fun. todd hoffman is my favorite gold miner. and that's saying something. i know a lot of gold miners. he joined me to tell me about his move to oregon, back to his home turf where he might hit the mother lode or go broke. >> there is gold here. you are seeing me struggle this year. but something, kennedy, i'm telling you, something is coming that changes things. it does change. kennedy: it's such an emotionala show. who ever knew before you developed it that gold mining watching this process. it's the dream that you finds something beautiful and rare that can enrich you, but it's sf laborious and hard to get. >> it's tough it's emotional.

you will see some things that -- i'm not really that proud of. there are some emotional things that happen in the show coming up, and, you know, it's stuff. i probably won't be able toob watch it, because it is tough. kennedy: is there it family stuff? >> there are some personnel issues and some violence it's real stuff and scary. but there is also somebody does something for me later in the season i'm never going toer forget. you know how you have somebody in your life when you have had n tough time, they came in and helped you in a bad situation? something happens like that with me and it's just amazing. i'm going never going to forget by the. r gold rush was one of our best this season. kennedy: i thought were going to win the whole thing because parker was having such a hardrd time of an was getting his

mining rights stripped away on a bad deal. >> we still dug $3.3 million in gold out of the grounds. you can talk about the competition. but we took a lot of gold home last year. not as much as you in these gold shoes, guys. this is amazing. unbelievable. look at those. todd had some gold melted and put into a nice mold, the perfect size 8 and here year. andy crawford joins me to talk about the warring clans of animals and sometimes finds parallels with their own hardel scrabble fight with humans. >> they actually pretty much acts the same way.edy: they do. it's this basic survival. but we think we are different

from that and separate from that because of our rationale. >> they actually are. that was a joke. we are totally different. animals function at and very, very base level. kill or be killed. that's petty much what it is. civilization has risen above that. and we have norms and standards that don't apply in the animal world.ha we apply human standards to what they do which we shouldn't bels doing. kennedy: it makes for a greats narrative. nature is unjust. >> it is. the whole thing was made to be a scripted drama. we were wondering how close we could get to a proper scripted drama not bringing up control taken malts. what happened there we couldn't have scripted better ourselves.

kennedy: people think of high hs as dirty wooses. but here they are. >> the pride of lions head north. and the hyena saw an opportunity to take the fight to the lions. they were on an elephants car discuss and they decided to assert themselves over the lion. >> the main dominant male was missing from the pride and that's the gap they saw. kennedy: how close are you when you are shooting that stuff. >> in this situation we had lions coming across the car. especially in a scenario like that. kennedy: thank you so stitch for watching the show.

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