how is it looking, pete? >> fired up. >> we'll see you tomorrow. >> everybody outside. let's go. dagen: an evil act at one of america's busiest airports, and it comes on the heels for one of the busiest years for air travel ever. will this have fliers thinking twice? hi, everybody i'm dagen mcdowell, this is bulls and bears. the bulls and bears this week, gary b smith, john lay field, along with has hadly heath manning. john, should fliers be worried? >> no, and i don't think they will be. there's no way to quantify the lossf life and the horrific

things that happen. but when you're talking about just the economy, you have to look at what historical precedent and other places that have lone wolf terror attacks. places like boston, places like orlando, london, madrid, paris. those places have rebounded very quickly. and you see little to no drop in tourism. the places that get hurt are places like egypt, like tanesha, where the whole system people feel cannot prevent more terrorist outbreaks. and there you see tourism number drops significantly. as far as a lone wolf, i don't think people are going to alter their travel plans. they may think about it a little bit. but history has shown they're not going to alter their travel plans significantly. >> and, gary, over the holidays, this is the busiest end of day travel season ever. more than 103 million people traveled. roads and air. so it does beg the question whether this will have an impact. >> well, i kind of agree with john.

in fact, my daughter's flying out of not ft. lauderdale but west palm beach on sunday. so near enough that, you know, am i concerned? of course. so, you know, the first point should people be afraid. i don't think afraid. but i think you should be wary. i mean, this is a person who checked the gun through baggage but really, you know, with baggage claim at a airport like ft. lauderdale, there's nothing to prevent -- i mean, that's really open to the public. someone just driving up their car and shooting. i mean, that could happen anywhere. that could happen in a shopping mall, it could happen in a movie theater. i think we're of the day and age now where people need to be aware. i do agree with john, though. look, my daughter's still going to fly out of the airport, and i think everyone else that has a flight will. you're aware, but you go about your plans, and you kind of get on with it. it's the age we live in. i don't think it's going to affect people's travel or the economy. dagen: just last year

overseas, there were two major terror attacks at both the brussels airport and istanbul. and here in the united states, you did see increased security. heavily armed guards at airports. and that certainly gives people a feeling of solis or could. >> that's right and usually right after an attack at any type of venue, we do see increased security and a response to that typ so airports are likely to be safer than ever in the weeks to come. but this obviously very tragic event. i agree with gary, it can happen anywhere. that's simply the world we live in. there are risks associated with travel. there are risks associated with leaving our homes. so we have to be realistic about what the threats are. not to be alarmed but to be wary and to know that this is simply the world that we live in. >> and, julie, we're just incredibly relent people, frankly.

>> yeah. people pick themselves up. i flew almost the first day that you were allowed to fly after 9/11 after the travel ban was lifted and people were at the airport looking at each other but nevertheless people went on with their lives. it's not to diminish the tragedy that happened on friday at ft. lauderdale or the horrible loss of life. but all of us to some extent take the risk as has hadly said waking up in the morning walking out of the house that this could strike at a mall, airport, movie theater. so we continue with our lives, knowing that this is just part of the risk we take of being alive. and we are a resilient society. we'll continue acting and behaving as we always have. dagen: and it's tragic that these shootings keep happening, regardless of where they are. but it's worth noting that back in 2013, there was a shooting at los angeles airport where a tsa agent was killed. >> well, i don't think it's totally irrelevant.

airports -- look, people already irrationally fearful traveling by air. that's why terrorists want to attack airports because there's already a perjury of the company that don't fly out of fear. even though almost 2 million people fly every day and a crash is so small. if you make a movie about a plane crash within it's not going to be aired on planes. it's that happen of a fear today. so it's going to make some people more scared of flying. so it has possibly more of an effect of behavior, the economy, than a mall attack or something else. because we're not scared to the mall. i guess some people are, i should say. but to your point about security, i don't know if seeing more security makes everybody feel comfortable. oh, look, there's a lot of security in time square or airport. some people are, like, if i'm in a place that needs heightened security, it

reminds people also. in addition the cost of that. dagen: john, i'm going to give you the final word. >> a terror attack is an incredibly small percentage. and it's not just an airport, it's anywhere in the world. and we're in a different world right now, and we have to figure out a way right now that we're going to exist with the world. it has been done in other areas of the world and successfully. we're a country of terrific people, and we will find a way to deal with it as well. dagen: and we send our thoughts and blessings to the victims and the families of course. coming up, the obama administration just did something it claims will protect america's elections after an intelligence report shows russia aimed to influence this past one. but someone here says that the fix goes too far. and democrats claiming republicans want to make america sick again by repealing obamacare. did they notice amererererer

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>> the republican plan to cut health care wouldn't make america great again, it would make america sick again. >> make america sick again. is that what the republicans want to do? >> all that will do is make america sick again. >> will make america sick again. dagen: andere go again. democrats scrambling to save obamacare as republicans move to real it. they claim getting rid of it will make americans sick. but with death rates from major diseases on the way up, has hadly says that shoots their argument down. >> yeah, so obamacare, there's no doubt. it's a bad law, its hurt our economy, our health care system, it has hurt our freedom. by the same token, i don't think it's right to use the life expectancy, it's actually a worse job that we're taking

care of ourselves because this is largely due to obesity rates, drug abuse, and even suicide rates. so i would say bottom line absolutely we have to get rid of obamacare. we have to do better. deliver health care better and pay for health care better in this country. but proponents of obamacare use life expectancy as to why we needed reform in '09 but i don't think it's great for the metric system. dagen: and the i can go through heart disease, stroke-related disease, you name it these death rates are going up and the one thing that's sickest, quite frankly, of all is obamacare. the way it has fallen apart. >> exactly, dagen. look, i don't understand the defense of obamacare, to be honest with you. because almost by any metric that it was advertised as, it's failed. it was supposed to bring premiums down, instead they've gone up by an average of 25%. oh, unless you live in arizona

where they're up by, like, 145%. i know my premiums have gone up 30% for the past two years in a row. i'm having trouble finding a primary care physician because doctors don't want to sign up for it. you know, we were promised that we could keep our health plans. i liked my health plan before with blue cross, blue shield in maryland. don't have access to that anymore. it's not competitive. you've got insurance companies dropping out of states, so now it's becoming monopolies, almost sheer monopolies. and the big metrics they wanted was, well, we're going to ensure more people. maybe but the fact is a lot of those people have moved to medicaid. we already had medicaid. you didn't need a government-mandated running health care in order to do that. so, you know, people don't like it. it's despised by the majority of people out there. i say let's move on. we're not going to get any sier, we're going to get healthier. dage eig out of ten

americans, julie, want obamacare changed. i actually heard a democratic congressman on and said the reason people don't like it is because they were lied to by republicans. >> i want it to change. i didn't think it went far enough. dagen: you want medicare for all. medicare is going broke in 11 years. >> i want to get rid of the insurance companies. so, look, if you want to ask how people change, some of us don't think. dagen: it's not going to go that way. but here's what i will say. preexisting conditions something you couldn't discriminate against today but something you could discriminate against before obamacare. the five years prior to obamacare insurance premiums went up at a much higher rate than they did in the five years after obamacare. the fact that you could be on your parent's insurance. the fact that 20 million people a little less have gotten insurance and access to health care thanks to obamacare. the republicans will repeal this law. they said they will, and i take them at their word. but when they do, they will then own the health care system. and we will come back in six

months or a year and talk about whether people are living a lot longer thanks to the republicans, which of course they won't be because the reason they're not living longer because the diseases you lifted are suicide or obesity which virtually every other part where there's heart disease or kidney diseases or anything else. so, look, the republicans, it's a pottery barn rule. you break it, you own it. they're about to break it and own it and in a few months we'll talk about where things are and i guarantee you there will be a lot of angry people who are going to be kicked off ky net and wondering in why god's name they voted for donald trump. dagen: but the democrats think there's no idea why to repeal and the incoming of health and services tom price has a plan in place. i can go through the ideas. >> well, i don't know if the plan's in place are going to fix these two issues you're referring to. the one is the debt how sick we are and the rising cost. it'sasical paid for by

healthier people's insurance. so their premiums had to go up and rich people due to taxes. so something's going up because that's how it's paid for. if they fix it by making it a medicare drug plan, then you couldn't point to who's seeing their premiums going up any more than they're making old people pay for your drug plan. as far as sick, health insurance in general, it's debatable how much healthier it makes people. you alluded to the people that are sicker, dying longer, longevity. a lot of them are white men. they're more or less heavily short already before obamacare. so if this insurance is so great at making you live longer, why are they getting morrow obese? the bottom line is for some people who didn't have insurance who had serious conditions, there's serious benefits in having a subsidized policy. but other people take more risks by having health insurance, having access to cholesterol medication, they all of a sudden eat differently. so it it doesn't all of a

sudden lead to better health outcomes. dagen: but how about more responsibility? more power in the hands of the individual and less power in the hands of the government? that is what we're talking about. >> yeah, that is what we're talking about. and i want this to succeed. dagen: i would be thrilled. >> you would be thrilled that the country did terrible. >> no. i would be thrilled if republicans made health care better. >> look, repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make you right. m sorry. it makes you rude. but if you have it when obamacare, i was not for it. but i wanted to succeed. the problem they did was they did not do anything with the health care system. they simply added more people to the insurance roles without fixing the health care system. and you see obamacare right now is 22% higher than work-based plans. and it has done nothing to fix this system when you talk about personality responsibility. look, obamacare is not going to make us live longer or make us live

less. neither what will come next. that is personal responsibility. we have a health epidemic in the united states. and that won't be addressed with insurance reform, which is all obamacare was. dagen: and what you know? people deserve to get what they were promised, and they didn't get it with obamacare, and that's why it's being repealed. thanks, guys. cavuto on business in about 20 minutes from now. neil, what have you got? >> hey, dagen, is a solid dob market about to shift into overdrive? what ford ceo told me that could be good news for donald trump and also for taxpayers. plus the half hour that now has facebook under fire. we'll see you soon. dagen: kneel, thank you. we can't wait. but up here first. after the intel briefing on the russia hacking, the federal government now pushing a chewed plan to protect election from cyber attacks. but some here say the plan goes too far.

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that means the federal government can do more to help protect polling places, vote tabulation, and voting machines. gary, you say that scares you more. >> exactly. it's one more example of impending government overreach. just like we talked about last segment. government neither submitted own health care. neither party or the federal government. we're composed of 50 states. each of the states get to do what they and want what they choose. whether it's chad reading or paper punch or optical character. look, once the government comes in and says, hey, remember reagan, the famous words, we're here from the government, we want to help. pretty soon it will be a national election. that's not what the constitution and what we're set up to do. dagen: james clapper director of national intelligence said that the vote tabulation was not part of the hack. >> first, we cannot say --

they did not change any vote tallies or anything of that sort. we had no way of gauging the impact that certainly intelligence community can't gauge the impact it had on choices the electorate made. there's no way for us to gauge that. dagen: john. >> if the federal government is sending systems or software to help local, independent polling places have no fraud, i'm all for that. but i'm not for the federal government taking over this system because who's going to watch these guys? have you seen what the politicians are willing to do to stay in power? dagen: yeah, how about that office hacked by china. >> yeah, look, i agree partially with what john said. nobody's taking over the election system. what they are doing is sending resources. and, look, i've worked with some of the local governments, it's not hard to hack these machines. if anybody knows how to do it, the russians or chinese do.

>> the federal government has a right about the presidential like a but that said, do we want them involved? first of all, easy to hack. there are some machines in some towns and voting slots, that's why so badly stupid and old-fashioned. dagen: final word. >> right. but americans wonted voted for and they know why, and they made their own choices. we shouldn't pretend americans got duped into voting for the wrong person. but we do need as a society for americans to have faith in our institutions that includes our election system. so whoever's in charge. the federal government or the state government, they need to ensure that that process has integrity and that americans can believe in it. dagen: a big thanks to everybody but especially has hadly and julie for joining us. thanks. >> thank you. dagen: eric, what do you guys have coming up? >> hi, dagen. president-elect trump bashing both parties this week, including the gop for one of the first acts of their new session in congress. is this sign he's committed to cleaning up both sides of the aisle?

we'll see you at 11:30. dagen: thanks, eric. we'll be watching. but up here first, sears and macy's closing hundreds of stores. when we come back the guys will have the stock opening you up to new profits

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