toys out the pram. stuart: i think it rebounds against the left. >> you wonder how the american people are going to take it when they see such an important, historic event, it's the presidency, being hit by this. stuart: neil cavuto, sir, it's yours. neil: could you imagine, stuart, eight years ago if any republican congressman had boycotted the barack obama inauguration? stuart: unthinkable. neil: you know the reaction would be a little bit different in the media. all right, thank you very much. all right, we are following that. 27 is the latest count we have, it could go higher, but at least 27 democratic congressmen who are following in the footsteps of john lewis who had claimed donald trump is not a legitimate president, that has escalated to the point he's got 27 others concurring with him. we're going to be talking to one of those 28, but first, to tom bevi, this, i don't think we've

ever seen something like this, tom, but refresh my historical memory here. >> no, we haven't, certainly not in the modern era. there were calls, obviously, some democrats when george w. bush won the election, again, he lost the popular vote, questioned his legitimacy, but this is a different order of magnitude. it's a coordinated effort to really undermine trump before he even takes office. neil: you know, paul krugman had written that trump isd this is t of patriotism, just flipping it around as i was raising with stuart a minute ago, imagine had republican congressmen claimed the same about barack obama coming in or whatever. man, oh, man. >> yeah, look, i mean, anybody who's covered politics knows there's a certain amount of hypocrisy that goes with it. neil: absolutely. >> again, this is different. what we've seen now, the speed and sort of the way the democrats have done this, just a couple of months ago they were

up in arms over the fact that trump wouldn't, that he might possibly question the legitimacy of this election, and here we are just a couple months later, and you've got paul krugman writing this is an act of patriotism, john lewis, dianne feinstein, these are major players in the democratic party openly questioning his legitimacy, saying that the outcome of the election was, quote-unquote, altered. i think it's cynical, and it's a bit dangerous, the game that the democrats are playing here. neil: now, john lewis and his civil rights gravitas notwithstanding, he also questioned george bush's to win back in 2000. i believe he still went to the inauguration though. he once compared john mccain the george wallace, so he does have a list history of -- history of going after republican either nominees, or in this case, president-elects. but this is a different case because a lot of his followers then will share the view of a

genuine civil rights hero to say that donald trump is not even a legitimate president, and that could have a poisonous effect. >> i definitely think so. i mean, look, part of the reason the democrats are doing this is because their base is demanding it from them. they want to see -- they view trump's election as a sort of abomination, and they want democrats to oppose him across the board starting with his nominees, and they want to see them do that sort of tooth and nail. they're trying to reunify the demoralized base of the party that didn't even think trump's election was possible. but i do think it's going to set a tone that it's going to be poise onous, rancorous, and we'll see whether anything can get done. it is definitely setting a tone here for the incoming administration, a very hostile one. >> let me get your take on this. if this is payback on the part of those leading this charge for

the birth as an issue and donald trump perpetrating that, what do you make of that? >> well, look, i think there are a lot of democrats that really did not, they didn't appreciate donald trump engaging in that, in the birtherrism thing, and there might be a certain element of that here in play which is to pay back. but, again, this is of a different order of magnitude, what's going on here. and, again, if you go back and look at the record, the democrats were sort of planting the seeds of this, that russia had, you know, every time that the wikileaks stuff came up during the campaign, every clinton operative would say the russians hacked those e-mails, we don't even know if they're true or not, but it was definitely the russians. this has been in the works for a while now and has gotten to the point where it's become, you you know, their sort of, their cause now to try and undermine trump. so, again, it's -- i think, there might be some payback involved, neil, but it's a more coordinated strategy,

longer-term strategy that's of a different magnitude than anything we've seen before. neil: that's for sure in terms of the sheer numbers, again, 27 democratic congressmen who will not be attending the inauguration of donald trump. some will be there, but joining protesters. not seated at the toll for the swearing -- at the capitol for the swearing in. we have a democrat from the fine state of california. congressman, thanks for coming. why aren't you going? >> mostly just because i -- it's a personal thing. it's not coordinated with other members, it's just a personal decision that i think that the way the president-elect has handled himself since the election, i was hoping he would change and try to unify america, but it's the way he deals with what i would common bely say decency. it has nothing to do with republican or democrat, key or liberal. -- conservative or liberal. neil: how long did you have this view, sir, prior to john lewis and his remarks or you weren't

going even before he spoke? >> no, i decided after the press conference on wednesday. i waited. i, obviously, didn't support the president-elect. i have some serious questions about him, but i thought you should give him some time after the press conference just because of the way he's handled himself, and also the fact that i think he's heading us into a constitutional crisis. neil: all right, that was pre-the john lewis announcement that he was illegitimate. you think he is not a legitimate president. >> i think, i think he won the electoral college. he's, everything i've read has not doubted that he won the election, the electoral college vote, so i think time will tell about the legitimacy. i've read the classified material which i, of course, can't talk about, but i think time will tell about how much influence russians had on our election. neil: all right. now, it's clear from intelligence agencies that the russians had a prominent role in this. do you think they tipped the outcome of the election?

even intelligence, at least that i've been privy to, sir, and you're privy to more than i am, have not gone that far. do you think otherwise? >> i think it's too soon to tell. having read it and reread it, it's certainly alarming, just the things that are not classified are alarming. but i don't know anyone who can actually measure pretty objectively whether that actually tipped the outcome, although i know a lot of my colleagues feel that it did. neil: do you worry, though, about the signal it sends, congressman, that whatever your heartfelt beliefs, many democrats felt the same about george bush in 2000, he was comparing john healthcare cane to george -- mccain to george wallace back in 2008. he does have a history of kind of volcanic reaction at least in recent history. >> well, i'm not going to criticize john lewis. i'm a great admirer of his.

i think he's the most respected -- neil: but i'm not asking about the civil rights background, but this is very different, right if if you fought hard for that and if you're claiming somebody about to be inaugurated as the 45th president who isn't legitimate and you have a lot of people who praise you, worship you particularly on this day, mlk day, do you think that's a responsible thing to say? >> i wouldn't question john, neil. he has his perspective. it's hard-earned, so i respect him for that. for myself i would not say that. i would have gone to george w. bush's inaugural, as did john lewis, if i had been a member of congress at that time. neil: you have your own followers in your district as well, sir. i'm just wondering in your district if they hear, wait a minute, our guy isn't going and he's among these 27, 28 democrats not going, a record number i might point out, don't you think that sends a worrisome

signal to them that if you don't like the results of an election, you can just skip out? >> no, i don't think. i think that's high pearly on your part -- hyperbole on your part, with all due respect. neil: 27 aren't going. >> is it okay if i finish the question? neil: sure. >> okay. so i personally think it was a decision i made. of john made his decision, the other 27 haven't. i respect my colleagues who are going, there's a good argument. i made a different decision. on monday after the election i will be at work and i will be willing to work with the president. we're grown-ups in politics. we can accept a little differenceses of opinion and get to work the next day with our -- neil: can you really? because what would your reaction have been eight years ago, even four years ago if any republican congressmen boycotted barack obama's inauguration, the first or the second? >> i'd go to work with them the next day. neil: you wouldn't judge, you wouldn't judge it any other way?

>> no. i haven't been in congress long, but i've been in politics 26 years. you get up the next day, and you work with the people who have been elected, duly elected. that's part of your job, and that's what i intend to do, but i'm not going to go to the inaugural -- neil: but how does that allow you to to work with the president you just said you'd work with next monday? >> uh-huh, that's right. neil: i'm sorry, i don't understand. if you're going to -- >> i'm sure you don't. [laughter] neil: once he's president next monday but you don't want to be there for when he is officially named -- >> yeah, i don't, i think we just have a difference of opinion. i don't think it's mutually exclusive. i think this is a very unique situation. very unique, as i think you would admit, candidate, very unique, will be a very unique president -- neil: but he won. he won the electoral vote, right? >> pardon me? neil: you might not like the guy, but he did win, right?

>> no, i agree. yeah. and i'll work with him. and if he doesn't like me, that's fine. i'll work with him. neil: okay. sir, thank you very, very much. we'll see what happens. >> i appreciate it. thanks, neil. neil: meanwhile, a lot of tension between the president-elect and intelligence agencies, but are the intelligence agencies being fair here? after this. ♪ ♪ (bell chimes) ♪ nice work brother dominic. now we just need 500 more... translated into 35 languages, personalized oh and shared across the 7 continents.

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understands the plett from russia -- the threat from russia? >> i don't think he has a full appreciation of russian capabilities, russians' intentions and actions that we are undertaking. that's what the obligation and responsibility of the intelligence community is. neil: all right. cia director john brennan warning donald trump be careful what you say about intelligence and people who gather it. obviously, he said a lot more there. i want to get into this with carl hiking bee, former navy seal. the more intriguing comment, and it read almost like a warning, if he doesn't have confidence in the intelligence community, what signal does that send to our partners and allies as well as our adversaries? i could, by the way, say the same of democratic congressmen boycotting the inauguration, to say nothing of those who have questioned intelligence in the past, but what do you make of this? >> well, i think this current president, you know, barack obama -- for the next four days, i think -- he ignored the

intelligence community a lot on isis when mike flynn said this was a serious problem. he called them the jv team. it's not new that presidents adjust their opinion of the intelligence committee based on political ideology. i'll say john brennan, this is a guy who has refused to acknowledge isis as an islamic group, refused to acknowledge a lot of threats. this is a russian threat that's been going on for years now, but this is the first time we're hearing about it, and it leads to the question is john brennan part of the problem here? neil: one of the things they're saying about the president-elect is that he doesn't have an intelligence clue, so he shoots back this tweet, i think you're referring to, outgoing cia chief john brennan blasts donald trump, does not fully understand. just look at crimea, etc., etc. what do you make of that? >> i make of the fact that john brennan's been wrong on a lot of intelligence. and p look, a lot of people in the intelligence community are brilliant people, and they're

pro-america, but i think john brennan is a politically charged guy who is only bringing this up at a heavy issue until donald trump was going to be the next president of the united states. why was it not such a big issue four, five, six years ago when he became in the role that he is? neil: are you worried, carl, that intelligence is now permanently politicized, that mike pompeo, assuming he's con firmed, will deal with the same from democrats, that say he's biased, has an agenda? >> you've got to look at what intelligence is providing. isis didn't fit the narrative of them pulling out of iraq so, yes, it was politicized because they didn't want to admit there was a problem. now all the republican base and republican appointees all want to address the problem, and the first part of addressing is identifying it. so they're saying that's politicizing? i don't think so. i think they're just uncovering all the junk that obama's administration tried to cover up. neil: you know what i wonder

about two, carl, just playing this forward, what will be the impact on our intelligence community especially when it seems a lot of people that they don't really like -- that is, the ones who are in control right now, they don't really like donald trump, then other senators come out like chuck schumer criticizing trump to say, you know, not a good idea to criticize the intelligence community and then, lo and behold, we get these latest, you know, scandalous charges and leaks that the cia swears on a stack of bibles it had nothing to do with. >> right. neil: so i'm wondering if there is a little payback here and it shows a seedier side of our as well as for them, a, to claim ig nance and, b, that they're not on a vendetta? >> look, comey's decisions aside, you know, i think that greatly damaged the fbi. i think john brennan's politicization with the red line in syria and his intelligence or lack of intelligence on russia leading up to, at this point, isis and things like this, massive failures.

the american public has very little faith in our intelligence agency. it's the men on the ground that are, unfortunately, suffering, the men and women because they're the ones dealing with the political fallout based on a war where their hands are tied behind their back, so we need to fix this now. neil: thank you very much, my friend. >> thank you, neil. neil: meanwhile, we are getting confirmation that the orlando killer's wife, noor salman, was reportedly charged with obstruction, the wife of omar mateen arrested by the fbi, charged with obstruction in connection with the massacre, and "the new york times" and other media are reporting and confirming this. they had talked to her, and they want to keep talking to her. we'll have more after this.

neil: all right. have you ever seen the white house press room? well, i have. anyway, there are 49 seats in it in the west wing right adjacent to where the press secretary's office is that leads further

from there to the oval office. 49 seats. here's the little detail though, there are 200 white house press corps reporters in there. so 49 seats, 200, musical chairs. awkward with. all right, now there's another issue here that donald trump wants to double, double the number of people who cover the white house which could conceivably bring it up to 400 and down to those 49 seats. so there is talk, and it was just thrown out there but, boy, oh, boy, did it get a reaction, that maybe they go to a different venue altogether, not at the white house, maybe at the eisenhower executive office building across the street, part of the white house compound, or at a denny's that can hold that number of people. we don't know yet. what we do know is hell hath no fury like a white house press corps entour rated. the media research center's dan gaynor with us right now. i don't know where this is going, dan, i do know it's got the ire of the press corps demanding that they at least

stay there on site because some of them have offices underneath the basement of the white house, to say nothing of the convenience of having this press center that, i think, came into being with richard nixon. update me, what do you think of this? >> what the press is doing is they like that there's only 49 seats in there, that it's very limited. they say the most exclusive club in the world the is u.s. senate. there's 100 seats there. the major press is afraid that we'll start having other outlets that they are concerned that might be friendly to trump, talk radio, blog sites, you know, other conservative organizations, and they don't want anybody else to ask anything just like a friendly question. neil: all right, the media by its very nature will just look for those gotcha moments. and to be fair, even in the case of barack obama looking for those gotcha and embarrassing moments. but it has gotten out of control. and maybe this is yet another president's attempt, the new president's attempt to sort of

reassert order here, or it's raising suspicions that donald trump doesn't like the press, which he's made very clear, and he doesn't want to deal with them that often or that frequently or, for that matter, at all within the grounds of the white house itself. >> well, i mean, if he, if he keeps it within the compound, that's the same thing. it's just a big or area. neil: what is the white house to you, dan? i mean, it includes what was the old executive office building, right? >> yeah. and so, i mean, if they literally just move to get bigger space, that seems to be inclusive. this is -- whether you like donald trump or not, the argument that, you know, he is a populist president, he wants to reach more people, not just be, you know, have his hands tied by traditional outlets. and when he runs into the media bias that he's run into, both in the campaign and then, you know, the increased venn thom --

neil: right, right. so a bigger audience could make it even -- but there is presence dent to this. we were showing an old shot of the executive building. by the way, they average about one every two weeks with kennedy, so he was busy with the press, but it was a very large venue, and this was where virtually all of his presence conferences there. i don't know if pierre salinger would go for his own briefings, but kennedy preferred a larger venue, and he got to a lot of questioners and questions. but the flip side is this might allow just that, right? >> well, yeah. and i think that's the idea. i think -- but the press takes any attack on what they consider their privilege -- neil: what did you mean by that? what did you mean by that? kidding. [laughter] [inaudible] >> no, that's -- and that's the whole problem, that they view everything as a privilege.

and what happens with privileges, we both know privileges turn into what people think are rights. as you take them away, oh, you took away my right to be one of the 49. you don't have a right to do that. every outlet has a chance to be in there too. neil: what if we get rid of even the daily briefings as we do them? that is really a richard nixon phenomenon in the last year of lbj with the vietnam war, but this is something that we've gotten used to, but it isn't a given, right? >> it's not a given. right now the daily briefing, and we all though this, it's twitter. you know, you want to know what's on trump's mind, you turn on the twitter right in the morning and say, well, he's setting the agenda there, not at the daily briefing. neil: all right. so where do you think this is going to go? obviously, it's got the media up in arms, and even the left is warning those on the right in the media be careful what you wish for, because this could happen to you with a liberal

president coming in, a democrat down the road, and you're going to rue the day you let happen. you say what? >> well, i think you said it real well the other day when you were talking about how the other media didn't care what happened to fox be during the obama presidency. fox, you know, wasn't the only one targeted. drudge and even cnbc, everybody who disagreed with obama got, felt his fury. and now they freak out that the idea they mighten counter a president -- might encounter a president who doesn't bow to their wishes. neil: yeah. welcome to our little world. thank you very much, dan gainor, vice president of business and culture over in virginia. again, this is an idea that the trump folks have put out. no signs yet that they're going to carry through with that. i believe the west wing offices of the press corps, that used to be the white house pool. literally, the pool where they go swimming. [laughter] that stopped, maybe they would return to the pool and maybe

dunk a journalist every day. i had no idea. i do know right now that there's a big dust-up over the russian role with hacking, so there are increasing signs that we appear to be hacking back, and it's the russians this time who are upset, and vlad is mad. ♪ ♪ ♪ there's a lot of places you never want to see "$7.95." [ beep ] but you'll be glad to see it here. fidelity -- where smarter investors will always be. if only the signs were as obvious when you trade. fidelity's active trader pro can help you find smarter entry and exit points and can help protect your potential profits. fidelity -- where smarter investors will always be.

♪ ♪ neil: we are getting word that monica crowley is stepping down from a national security council strategic communications post because of charges of plagiarism in her latest best selling book. this is coming to us from the washington times, hard per collins -- harpercollins, her publisher, had ceased printing the book until ms. crowley came up with clarifications as to where she got the material. she did. i do know that monica crowleys has taken herself out of this job amid the controversy over that plagiarism, so says the washington times. we'll keep you posted on that. meanwhile, is this a case of tit for tat? we don't know. this much we do, russia is claiming cyber attacks against it have increased, maybe in response to the reports here that they played a big role in hacking our latest presidential election. tom kellerman is a ceo joining

us on this. what do you make of this? is this a case of us responding to them or what? >> i find it ironic that the russian wolf is crying wolf, but, yeah, i do believe this is proportionate response to the campaigns levied against the u.s. for the last five years. it wasn't just the dnc, but wide swaths of the financial and energy sectors that were colonized by russian organized hacking and that mass swaths of intellectual property and financial data was stolen as well. neil: all right. what did we hack with the russians, if this is true? i don't know what our statements have been on this, but assuming this is true or that we certainly have the capability to do it, what were we hitting or trying to hit? >> i'm not sure if this can be verified, but if it was to be verified, i'm sure they're targeting president putin and his oligarchs and his inner circle's financial assets and any sort of information that might be used to embarrass him in the public domain there as

well as insuring that they're well aware that as much as they have back doors in our critical networks, that we ourselves can place back doors in theirs. i think it's more signaling that we are willing to go to the mattresses with them should they decide to take the gloves off. neil: do you think this would be a policy pursued by the president-elect, he's said we're going to start from scratch and start afresh and new with vladimir putin, but if this is continuing, if we're still doing this, would a donald trump put a stop to it and just try to give talking a chance or what? >> i mean, dialogue is always very important p but we need to recognize and appreciate that mr. putin as a former head of the kgb, as a chess master is intenton upon reclaiming the baltics in europe, on regaining the historical posterity that the soviet union used to have. and in doing that, mr.-- president-elect trump would be getting in his way inevitably. i think it's important he

recognize and appreciate the duality of his adversary in this context. neil: every, republican or democrat, prime president, has d to forge a new relationship, george bush looked into his eyes, there was a corridor broaching agreements with barack obama when he came in. one of it materialized or something went very wrong very fats. what about donald -- very fast. what about donald trump and how he gets along with vlad her putinen and russia in general? >> obviously, that is one of his priorities, to improve these cold war type relations. but in doing so, i think we should be far more concerned with his rhetoric towards china in that the inevitable trade war will result to a cyber conflict coming from the east. so as we move forward, as we accept him as our president, as we embrace his ideology and his separate judgements, he needs to appreciate that he is the leader

of the u.s. and be he will be targeted by these traditional adversaries as well. neil: you know, tom, while i have you, john lewis, the civil rights titan and congressman, in talking about not going to the trump inauguration on friday -- and now he's got 26 others, like-minded congressmen also opting out of the event -- it started with him saying that donald trump wasn't a legitimate president and that the russian hacking did affect the outcome. but i know nothing in the intelligence that i've seen -- not that the russians didn't have a role, but that they could have affected the outcome, reversed it in in other words. have you? >> no. and, in fact, when we briefed, when i was cso, we briefed the intelligence community on the fact that 2300 most powerful politicians in d.c. and their spouses were successfully hacked by russian campaign. so it wasn't just the dnc that was successfully be hacked.nt ta legitimate president. that being said, what we need to

appreciate is wide swaths of the most powerful people in washington's computer systems have been colonized by russian hackers, and they have yet to actually triage those systems and get be them out. neil: all right. tom kellerman, thank you very much. strategic cyber venture ceo in washington d.c. of course, as you know, the markets are closed this day. it is martin luther king day. we have his niece here and her thoughts on this dust-up and particularly from that civil rights community led by the likes of john lewis skipping out on the inaugust ration. what would -- inauguration. what would her uncle do? what would her father do? after this. ♪ ♪

neil: all right, the trump tower lobby where we're hearing that martin luther king iii is due to meet with the president-elect9 shortly. this, of course, in the middle of this dust-up with congressman john lewis who has questioned the legitimacies of a trump

presidency, and even donald trump as president and is not going to the inauguration on friday, and he's got at least 26 other democrat congress minnesota and women -- congressmen and women following and out the door, not there for the big event. want to get the read on all of this with the niece of dr. martin luther king and so much more. she's the daughter of reverend a.d. king, the younger brother of dr. martin luther king. alveda, very good to have you. >> hello, neil, and how are you? you know, i've got a new book, america returns to god, and i talk about mr. trump in there, civil rights movement. i'm so excited, neil. my uncle would be very happy with these times because it's forcing america to talk again. so, you know, we can't be great again until we talk again -- neil: but we're not talking, right? >> no, no, we're beginning to. neil: these congressmen who aren't going to the inauguration led by congressman lewis, what do you make of that? >> you know what?

and i said that earlier today, and i really pray people are hearing this. john lewis, legendary, his legacy of civil rights activity is so powerful. he was trained by the best, martin luther king jr., with my dad, a.d., daddy king and now to do nonviolent conflict resolution. i don't think he's forgotten, but i don't believe people are inviting him to use those skills. those are the skills that are needed, the negotiation skills, the communication skills. so i'm really praying that we'll see that great john lewis, that nonviolent, peaceful warrior again. because he's phenomenal. i add hire that legacy so much. folks, don't push him into a corner and have them fighting and seeming like he's confrontational when he is really the john lewis that i know is a peacemaker. that's the one i'm calling forthright now. neil: all right. i have no doubt that he is, and his civil right gravitas and credentials are there for the world to see.

he's got the scars to prove it. >> he does. he's got to come back. neil: all right, i've got to ask you though, he has said similar things in the past. he was very much against george bush, i think he still went to the inauguration, but not too many years later he was going after john mccain. you know, essential hi saying that -- essentially saying that he was a questionable character. i guess what i'm seeing is a pattern of not really liking republicans, which is fine -- >> yeah, that's the politician. neil: yeah, i know. but does he send a bad signal to his many followers? and many now in the civil rights community that donald trump isn't a legitimate president? is that fair? >> i just left my cousin, dr. bernice king, the ceo of the king center. i'm on the board, and she was reminding people, you know, my favorite quote from my uncle m.l. is we must learn to live together as brothers and sisters. bernice used that quote herself today, so she's in the midst of

this sea of contention and people wanting to be victimized or victims or strife in all of this. but we are going to be on tonight, live streaming from the king center, talking about how you can still communicate without the contention. bernie sanders was there tearing the house down when i was walking out to come and talk to you. i'm like, oh, or my god, but where's the rest of the voice? so we're going to tonight have people from every corner come into the center of the ring together. and that's what i'm saying. we're almost to the point of being forced to communicate. we're almost this. so america, pray and get us there. just pray with us. and donald trump jr. tweeted out a picture, i was in atlanta with him at a meeting not too long ago, and i said i remember too. so i said i'll see you in d.c. actually, i'm going to the inauguration activities, and i'm be there praying, going to several prayer breakfasts and things like that. so, everybody, don't buy into the contention. let's do -- tension is good.

my uncle said that, uncle m.l., daddy, granddaddy, but tension should bring us together. acts 17:26, we're not separate races, we're one race. let's act like brothers and sisters because i don't want to be a fool, i really don't. neil: well, martin luther king iii, i guess your cousin -- >> yes. neil: -- had said that the electoral college recognized that donald trump won the election but said that hillary clinton saw a significant decline in minority vote totals of 10% or more, and in each of the states in which it happened, talking about pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan, it made up the difference -- >> absolutely. neil: and went on to say that difference in turnout may be attributed to legislative efforts to make it harder to vote. do you buy that? >> no, not legislative efforts to make it harder to the vote. some of that sometimes is there, but i've been out on the streets mock the people or going -- among the people or going across america, and african-americans are saying about mr. donald trump, president-elect -- and i voted for mr. trump based on this basis. he says you know what i'll do about racism?

i'll take -- i'll make sure everybody gets a level playing field. so many african-americans were saying that really is our agenda. our agenda is not abortion or sexual stuff and all of that. we want to have the same equal dignity regardless of skin color. mr. donald trump is proving that by even his appointment of dr. ben carson. everybody said send him back to the operating room, let him do surgery. carson says i'm going to do surgeries in the inner cities of america. mr. trump gets it, and he's reaching across the aisles, and by reaching across the aisles, that again will -- the tension will force us to communicate. neil, that is the key really. it really is. neil: i hope that can happen, but when 26, 27 congressmen opt out of an inauguration, it does make it tougher because they won't be there to communicate -- >> well, they didn't go, a lot of folks didn't go to president obama's either.

i had 21 tickets for members of congress that didn't want to go. my daughter told me, mom, i had one of the best seats at president obama's inauguration -- neil: really? all right. do you think then racially, i can understand why many in the african-american be community would think of anything after barack obama as a comedown, but do you think relations between the races are better than they were? >> you know what? they have to be better. i'm 66. my birthday, my 66th birthday, january 22nd, coming up, and i remember colored water fountainses, white water fountainses, people in my face calling me names, spitting, i had to eat in little dingy holes while the other little girls because of the skin and hair color were able to eat in the tearoom with their mothers. so a lot of that is gone. but what we've got to do for the millennials is to teach what we went through and why you're not entitled. you're going to have to work for something as well. because it could go back.

it has knotts gone back -- it has not gone back, but we have a job to do, neil, we really do. neil: there must be something to a movie like hidden figures -- >> ooh, hidden figures was great. neil: that was the number one movie of the weekend. >> it was amazing. some people tried to call it hidden fences, they tried to combine two stellar african-american movies into one, but there are really two. so you have fences and hidden figures. i'm just telling everybody -- neil: great movie. >> that's the way it should be. no profanity, no punching people in the face, no burning and throwing fire bombs, but look, it was super. it was great. neil: as are you. >> yeah, thank you. neil: dr. al vida king -- alveda king. she has lived the word and lived the life. thank you very much, doctor, good seeing you again. >> thanks for the opportunity. bye, everybody. neil: all right. in the meantime, donald trump on this mlk day is once again

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everybody in his obamacare replacement plan, people pounced on that to say is he going to a single-payer system? to gerri willis who knows all. [laughter] >> look, there are precious few details, but i don't think he's talking about a single-payer system, that would belie everything he's said to date when he talks about obamacare. here is when he told the washington post, that he's going for insurance for everyone, that he's got a plan that's formulated down to the final strokes. he's ready to pounce on this. he hopes for lower premiums, lower deductibles, cheaper coverage. that's his goal. but here's the surprise, i think, is that he wants drug companies to negotiate with the government for pharmaceutical prices for medicare and medicaid. and as you know, neil, medicare and medicaid a big part of the game, a huge part of the market. if they start setting prices, well, it'll essentially set prices for everyone, it'd be a big change for the pharmaceutical industry. as you know, replacement of this

plan is very, very difficult, and i think that's why everybody was so surprised to hear that trump had a plan. why is it hard? because the more you broaden these plans and make them bigger and bigger, the more expensive it becomes, the more difficult it is to deliver on the republicans' promise of cheaper health care. what's more here, trump is not congress. trump can't pass legislation. he can sure suggest it, he can make his ideas known and, of course, his ideas are popular, but he can't write the legislation. that's up to congress at the end of the day. now, when are we actually going to get real, hard core details of what trump would like to see? well, it's going to be a while because trump says he's going to wait until congressman tom price is sworn in as head of hhs, health and human services. there is a courtesy hearing next, this wednesday, just two days from now in which his comments will be heard, but his confirmation is not expected until mid february. so as much as trump is trying to

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cheryl casone with the latest. >> liz, i just came out, actually of the lobby on martin luther king iii. this meeting would be mostly about the discussing the legacy of his father, martin luther king, jr., and possibly some other issues regarding the inauguration and certainly trump as president. we're finding out, just talked to them a moment ago, they have some lower level ftc, sec cabinet member meetings he will have this afternoon. another busy day at trump tower for donald trump. one of the things that mr. trump did do was take to twitter. here is what he said about martin luther king, jr., and the day itself, celebrate the martin luther king day and many wonderful things that he stood for. honor him for being the great man that he was. now also today, not just donald trump celebrating martin luther king day, but also

mike pence was in washington this morning about 9:00 a.m. eastern time. he was at the mlk memorial, meeting with civic leaders as well as the architect of the martin luther king memorial. that happened this morning. they did a wreath-laying, talking to people there, honoring the legacy of martin luther king. all of there is a backdrop what happened over the weekend,. liz, what happened with john lewis, democratic congressman from georgia, had comments about donald trump not saying that he was a legitimate president. that may be part of the meeting today between martin luther king iii and donald trump. they went in ten minutes or some hopefully we'll get news and find out hopefully what the two gentlemen are discussing on mlk day. back to you,. liz: neil: thank you very much, cheryl casone. elsewhere, much ado about what an inspector general will do in reviewing the fbi and the doj handling of all those clinton

emails. some might be concerned that focus disproportionately toward the fbi, not justice department something, "judicial watch"'s tom fitton. >> hi,. liz: neil: you said this is not credible that this investigation was designed for any other reason to provide political cover and protection for hillary clinton from the trump administration. what did you mean by that? >> what it means, it diverts the resources of the fbi away from the justice department and what they need to be investigating with the clinton emails, some of the investigations ongoing, changes all of that, we have to protect ourselves because we have the ig asking questions. why know what rule supposedly the fbi violated. there is general practice not talking about or doing any major investigations or indictments of

political figures close to an election but hillary clinton made this mess. i'm not a big fan of mr. comey. let's be clear here. this is peculiarly timed investigation, reeks of politics. reminds me of so-called russian hacking investigations where there may be a kernel of truth that needs to be looked at but the focus and timing an conclusions being drawn by the establishment are way out of line and meant to hurt president trump than get at the truth. neil: we don't know yet, tom. hope springs eternal. this democratic general is appointed by barack obama? >> he is democratic appointee. why is he talking about an investigation a week before and -- neil: told inspector general can just announce an investigation but someone must sort of lead the way. how did this happen? >> well, presumably continue

unless the new attorney general squelches it. that will be a political firestorm if he squelches it. if anything needs to be done it needs to be expanded and made credible whether or not there was improprieties which is quite evident, most people looked at between the meeting of loretta lynch and mr. bill clinton. neil: your fear there will be disproportionate amount of focus on the fbi, not on the justice department and lynch what she did or didn't do, what she communicated or didn't communicate, right? >> what the justice department did or didn't do helping hillary clinton. i could look what comey did as improper in the election that in a way helped hillary clinton. he recommended no indictment despite what the law says. why is the ig not looking at it in that regard? this is designed to undermine the trump at administration and protect hillary clinton and constrain president trump and his appointees doing investigation into the future of

hillary clinton. political gamesmanship. neil: he could have a special prosecutor. not trump exactly but jeff sessions as attorney general. >> now jeff sessions he will recuse himself. presumably his deputy would have to do something. when you have an ig investigation it tends to distort everything that's going on and it is going to distract investigators, make you worry, if i start looking into the clinton campaign or clinton email issue, am i going to get an ig investigation or am i going to get caught up in this ig investigation? neil: yeah. >> if it was serious they would have been broader and much sooner than just a week before this guy was probably going to lose his job. neil: the president, that is barack obama, could interscreen and before the week is out pardon hillary clinton, right? >> well i guess he could. the no pardon would be broad enough to keep her away from being prosecuted at the state level perhaps. certainly we've got civil litigation and freedom of information act litigation which

is on going, that isn't going to be changed by a pardon. we'll want to get emails and a pardon will not help her at all on that. neil: tom fitton, keep us posted. president of the "judicial watch." it is weird the timing of this. how long it takes is anyone's guess. meantime they bash president-elect trump for many things. won't have a-list performers at the inauguration if it is important to a lot of folks but he raised ridiculous amount of money through companies like chevron, boeing, at&t and like-minded communications support all of that. 90 plus million dollars. that is almost as barack obama's first and second inaugurations together. the read on all of that with adam shapiro in washington, d.c. adam, what are you hearing? >> well, the donations and amount of money that have been coming in are setting a record. we'll put this into perspective a little bit. talk about some of the corporate donation,. liz: which have already been

announced. for instance, chevron donated to the inauguration committee $500,000. boeing pledgedded up to one million dollars. at&t, it is kind of an in-kind donation, when you walk around washington near the mall and capitol, cell phone towers have been put in place. this will quintuple the amount of cell phone service available on friday as hundreds of thousands of people descend on the nation's capitol for the inauguration. where does this stand, this $90 million that the trump inaugural committee raised so far? where does this stand, compared to other presidential inaugural committees? president obama, both inaugural committees, combined, raised roughly $97 million. gw, george walker bush, kind of cold, my mouth is freezing. 72 million combined. bill clinton combined,

56.5 million. this is record amount of money. the cost of the inauguration will be anywhere from 175 to $200 million. president obama's inauguration was $170 million. the money will go to this. there are open to the public concerts with toby keith and lee greenwood performing at the lincoln memorial. the festivities begin tomorrow night as different donors and different trump cabinet nominees gather for different dinners in honor of the president-elect. liz? neil: adam, thaw, very, very much the into the middle of that as adam is reporting, you have this side soap opera, congressman, 27, who are opting out of this, paul krugman writing in "new york times" it is act of patriotism to call trump an illegitimate president. whatever you think of

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german vice chancellor who hit back, if you want to build cars in the world i wishing you all the best. you can build cars for the united states but for every car that comes to the usa we pay a 35% tax, nonsense. just build better cars. i provided the german accent to-there. ya that is german's say we'll not put chevys on german streets unless you build them better. can you imagine where this one is going. we have general jack keane with us right now. it is getting nasty, general. this latest car tit-for-tat is just an example of it. what do you make where these relations could be going? >> well, first of all, i just think, you know, president-elect trump is beginning to already define a very different american presidency. this is a man who thinks out loud, speaks his mind, is very decisive.

i think this will be the new normal in relationships with countries. people will know what is on his mind just about all the time. as a result of it, we, as americans are going to adjust to that. they will have to adjust to it as well. listen, i also know that president-elect trump is very clear-eyed thinker. he understands the importance of germany to europe, importance of germany in relationship to the united states. i believe our relationships with them over the long term will be excellent. and they will have our disagreements. and certainly, listen, angela merkel is being severely criticized inside her own country by her own people for the open border policy that she implemented and over a million plus refugees are in her country and crime has gone up, gone up in the country and reaping that in terms of political pay back.

neil: when you start criticize something the country is proud of, auto industry is and autobahn, autos are like an art to them, so they are very proud they sell a lot of mercedes-benz and a lot of bmws all over the world, along with donald trump, saying you guys have a lopsided advantage. not that your cars are better but you don't give our cars a chance. he goes to the core about what them suck sellful in the first place. that is whole new ballgame. >> clearly german engineering best? the world, and resonant in those cars and japanese largely copied it as well in terms of what they have been putting in their cars. yeah, they're at the forefront certainly in the automobile industry in terms of engineering. i think they will largely stay there. i don't think it will change.

neil: how will that get along, general? this harkens back to the reaction europe first gave ronald reagan coming into office. of course they weren't prepared in the summer that they would even see a president ronald reagan. they thought jimmy carter would win and ends up winning in a landslide and had to adjust to this renegade cowboy. there are stark differences between ronald reagan and donald trump but they got around to really liking ronald reagan. can they get around to really liking or maybe more operative word is respecting donald trump? >> oh, i definitely think that is going to take place. i think there is probably a lot of that right now because if you look at donald trump, regardless of the politics. what have they got? they have to the an obvious strong leader. he is used to making decisions. therefore he will be decisive. i think they believe him when he says that he is going to return america to its normal leadership role in the world. and, they're going to welcome

that because there has been huge problems in the world as a result of america disengaging from the world. there will be disagreements and we've always had disagreements with the europeans. i think largely this relationship with the europeans will be fine. it will be as good as we have had in the past, even though disagreements will be there. neil: i know you don't like to dabble in politics, i know you don't like to insert yourself in the middle of a mess, but you're a very good historian. can you remember a time 27 congressman and women opted out of going to an inauguration, outside of the country dividing and falling apart and states leaving the union at the time of lincoln's inauguration in 1860, have you ever seen anything like this. >> no, i've not. i think this is disrespectful. one of the great things taking place in our democracy, friday, january 20th, peaceful transition of power determined by the american people and, i think all of us try to bear witness to that.

and those who are elected officials and part of our government, i think they should be right there bearing witness to it in person. and i think it is a disgrace that they would not do that. to wear it as a badge of honor, by not showing up and disrespecting the process that has taken place, i think that is pretty insulting to the american people frankly. neil: general, well-put. very good seeing you again, my friend. thank you. >> good talking to you,. liz: neil: general jack keane. you have many in that community who are protesting this thing and that is their constitutional right which it is, paul krugman says it is an act of patriotism to call trump with an illegitimate president. switch that with any president in recent memory including this one, barack obama, if any republican done the same saying you're an illegitimate president, whoa.

neil: what would your reaction have been eight years ago, four years ago if any republican congressman boycotted barack obama's inauguration, the first one or the second one? >> i would go to work with them the next day. neil: but you wouldn't judge, you wouldn't, wouldn't judge it any other way? >> no. i have, i haven't been in congress long but i've been in politics 2years. you get up the next day and work with the people who have been elected, duly elected. that is part of your job. that is what i intend to do. neil: part of my abbott and costello routine here, but you're not going to the

inauguration but following monday you will work with the guy that shouldn't have been inaugurated. he is free to do it and these 27 other congressman, total of 28 right now, skipping out inauguration are doing it. to charles payne where this all ends and what it all portends. what do you think, bud? >> i'm not sure where it ends because i think we're in uncharted waters. it is scary and worrisome because the fabric of the nation is ripped apart when you pray and hope it would be sown together. neil: do you think these device constituents, particularly in the civil rights community, no one disputes lewis is iconic figure, well if you appreciate that movement on this mlk day, work ship that movement we can't be any part from donald trump because he is afar from that movement? >> no. there are a few things at work here. you have to respect the office

the presidency and our republic what goes along with it. we pride ourselves on peaceful transition of power and project that to the citizens of the world. you project that no matter how betterly -- neil: the presidency, not the president. >> no matter how much you despise the other person. obviously they're in political parties. you're not going to agree on a whole lot of things. neil: can you imagine eight years ago any republican congressman opted out of barack obama's inauguration the hell that would have descended on them? >> i was googling around, i couldn't find anything. neil: the closest you and i were chatting about, abraham lincoln, 1860, whole states were flying out country. more could follow, doesn't portend well for the early days of the trump reaching out to this very group. >> doesn't. it really, really doesn't. got to be worrisome. we're talking about taking on

the renewed leadership in the world but, we've got to have, we have to have a certain amount of unity and healing within our own country before we begin to think we can solve issues of the rest of the world. if is unraveling, if it is frayed getting worse, not better, that is a problem for everybody. neil: are you worried saying the big lure and capitalism everyone can do well, now you have this large, civil rights group of men and women, who are saying this guy isn't legitimate, that it sends a different signal, just to kids? >> it's a not, take the painting for instance, pigs as police and representative clay saying artist who drew it, represent a certain amount of pain and anger within that particular artist in this community. you have to agree it does but when you put it up on the walls of congress, you're fanning those flames. you're actually making it worse, not better. and i think there is two things.

i was really dismayed over the weekend to see, really sad to see john lewis attempt to delegitimatize the election of donald trump. i was sad to see people trying to delegitimatize the civil rights movement which was needed severely. the idea of delegitimatizing and actually dismissing history whether it happened 50 years ago or 50 days ago is very dangerous thing particularly when powerful people engage in it. neil: i think it was bad of trump to tweet period. just be quiet. i know what he was saying going after lewis. he was talking specifically about, what is happening in his district, but his district has been fine. >> my father, who passed way last year lived in that district. it is very well-to do district, black people are leaving new york to go live in atlanta. black people leave detroit to go live in atlanta.

they have left chicago. it is one upwardly mobile cities in this country. it is better than 50 years ago. so dues rural america have issues. our country has serious problems. neil: a lot of people in the media interpreted trump's tweet to say he was going after lewis for not walking the walk on civil rights, which he want. i think anyone would quickly agree that he is an iconic figure in the movement as wounds, battered ribs to prove it but that is not what trump was saying. not justifying the tweet at all, i thought it was a bad idea, but i think people were contemplating that. >> we know the trump template. neil: he has to stop it. >> it could have been a congressman from connecticut. in other words he was saying lawmakers, washington, d.c. lawmakers are all talk. we've heard him say it a million times. that is not different. neil: but as an african-american, do you feel that, do you feel that this tension continues to exist and those who are suspicious of this

guy, donald trump, have reason to be? >> you i think you can be suspicious. i don't want to belittle anyone's beliefs. i think what elites have done to most of america. that is why we have the uprising, this political uprising in the first place. i'm loathe to do that. people don't want it done to them but do it all the time. i don't want to dismiss anyone's fears and anxieties but what i will say, for instance, the congressional black caucus is doing themselves a major disfavor and everyone else, saying treat barack obama a certain way, but let's change the rules of the game for respect for donald trump. same template, same set of rules, you requested, even demanding of others you should employ yourself. this is where they're making absolute huge mistake. neil: from when you were a kid are things better now? >> absolutely. i used to walk around, my mother's from alabama. i would walk around alabama and

men, grown, adult men, would have their heads slightly down and they did live in a lot of fear. there was a lot of anxiety. there were no real economic opportunities. as a young kid because i grew up on military bases i didn't know the racism or fear or idea of lynching and things like that. so i never knew that. so it struck me as odd. struck me as very sad. i was always sad to go to alabama to visit my relatives because grown men were walking around afraid all the time this is in the '60s, early '70s. you go now, it is amazing. it really has come a long way. it is unfortunate that as a people, as society we don't celebrate that more often. neil: but we reflect it in weird way, right? the movie, "hidden figures." three african women american in the space program. number one in america.

>> beat ben affleck and mark wahlberg. neil: anytime you can beat ben affleck -- >> i can unite both sides. the bottom line, beyond the power plays in in media, heart f american people want to be united. neil: i hear you. i heartily recommend this movie. i did not know the full story of these women. man, oh, man, get back to the greatness of this country, what we're all about, and what is the potential that movie reflects it, one of the best i've seen in years. i've seen at least three or four movies. when i do, i mean it's a big deal. just kidding, not kidding on hearty endorsement of that movie or my good friend charles payne, great reflection all. that meeting with martin luther king iii the youngest son of martin luther king is still going on. boy, oh, boy, they need to come to some sort of a peace agreement here. not that friction is with the martin luther king family but

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neil: all right. the tit-for-tat over cars is on between incoming president of the united states, donald trump

and virtually everyone in germany. one thing to hit them on pomtics and refugees and talking about a border tax on mercedes thatting united states a firestorm. moments ago, we got the german vice minister saying of donald trump's, you know, warning here, that there is an imbalance. that we accept more mercedes in this country, for example, than we see chevys abroad in places like germany. he just said this is from the minister gabrielle, the u.s. needs to build better cars. that is my german there. that is what the u.s. needs to build better cars for, which doesn't make any sense but the translation is what it is. jonathan hoenig on this, noelle nikpour as well. what do you make of this? this is what germans prize their cars and their autobahn an

everything else, now we're going right for the jugular, what do you think about it? >> if you remember, we elected donald trump to make america great again, not germ any great again. another thing, donald trump is doing what he is doing best, which is causing trouble, and everybody knows in business you use things like this as a shock factor, to negotiate. this is simply a tool to start dialogue for negotiation, because it is business as usual with donald trump. it is not government as usual. because if you look at this, donald trump has acquired america, almost the democrats would say, in a hostile takeover, and he is dissecting like you would in a business what's good and what's bad. this is a negotiation tool, putting it on bmw having to negotiate something that will make trump happen.

neil: jonathan, something you predicted what you predicted would happen in this tit-for-tat, the german vice chancellor gabriel had to say, i believe, i will do my german, i believe, i believe bmw's biggest factory in the u.s. in spartanburg. the if all supply parts not being built in the u.s. were suddenly to become a 35% tariff. so here we go. >> yeah. that's it,. liz: neil: my german accent for what he said? >> no, i would get rid of straight away, no question. neil: whatever. >> he is using force, threatening force against americans. his role -- neil: germans are responding in this case. >> indeed. so you're getting a trade war, you're getting protectionism, getting exactly what herbert hoover did in 2000, in 1929, that precipitated great depression. what is more frustrating than anything else is hypocrisy of trump camp. trump manufactures his goods

overseas and a lot of conservatives, noelle, you wrote an article for foxnews.com how wonderful free trade was. free-trade agreements beneficial for americans. why is that changed? >> look, jonathan, i'm sad, i will have to disagree with you, my friend. i did, i love free trade but let me tell you something this is different time in america. this is getting back to the roots. just like. liz: talked about "hidden figures, getting back to american roots and making america great again. guess what, jonathan, this is just starting a negotiation. this is just threatening with this. this is not to say -- neil: if we don't have free trade, jonathan, he is saying in the case of the germans, they're not being free about it, the system rigged in their favor, you say what? >> well,. liz, the president's role is not to fix the german economy to noelle's point, to keep america free. protect america's right.

neil: he saying we're more inclined to buy german cars than we are to sell american cars there. >> liz, for one thing, trump wakes up, he watches "fox & friends" and tweets on whim and without any sense of economics. for one thing, gm doesn't even sell chevys in europe. why donald trump doesn't see a lot of chevies in europe. broadly he is talking about interventionism on most minute detail. noelle, that doesn't get us back to anything. america was built on free trade, freedom of association, the right to buy or sell whatever you want without government getting in the way. that is not what donald trump is advocating. >> jonathan, donald trump has the right to try to negotiate. business as usual, government as usual ran by obama did not get us anywhere. so the facts and figures don't add up with the obama administration, so guess what, we'll give trump a try. >> isn't that what, same i am my brother's keeper attitude, for example, got us obamacare? obama said i will negotiate on your behalf. donald trump comes along, don't

worry, you will be rich and healthy, let me be the dictator and me negotiate on your behalf. this isn't freedom or what america was founded on. >> jonathan, yes it is. neil: the german finance minister says i like that hoenig. he seems like a good guy. >> i like a bmw. i don't want to pay 35% more than i would otherwise. neil: don't get me started. i want to thank you both very much. i can't wait until the trade wars extend to ireland and scotland. i do great irish and scott impression. when it get to italy, game over! what are you doing. what are you doing? has the markets just not moved today? because they are closed today. that's why you're watching reruns on cnbc, aren't you? more after this.

neil: all right. martin luther king iii and donald trump in the lobby of the trump tower. let's listen in. >> mr. trump, can we have a word with you, sir. [shouting] [shouting questions] neil: the doors are closing. i can't be bothered with you. [laughter]. that was pretty, is martin luther king, jr. saying anything, guys? let's just watch. >> can we speak with you? can we have a word? neil: think he might go to the microphones? >> was it appropriate for the president-elect to attack

congressman john lewis? >> is john lewis all talk and no action, sir? [inaudible conversations] neil: isn't the door the other way? no, i could be wrong. that's interesting. he did come down with martin luther king iii. that is donald trump. they did not speak before a microphone. mlkiii could. we had his cousin alveda king short while ago. there might be a disagreement within the king family. they're united to provide opportunity for all americans. >> do you have faith in the president-elect. neil: let's listen in, he might say something. >> -- mr. king, do you think? neil: he is not talking. but this is on the heels of maybe trying to work a bridge

between those angry democratic congressman led by civil rights icon and atlanta area congressman john lewis who said that donald trump is not a legitimate president. now he has got 27 other democratic congressman to agree. they're not going to be going to the inauguration on friday. some plan to go to protests but none are going. i don't know martin luther king iii's views on this subject. i know he has written extensively, he had an op-ed in "the new york times" last week and talking about opportunities for all and getting more african-americans to vote. undervoting or low participation to african-americans tipping the scales in donald trump's favor. now he is going the other way, because as i told them, they were listening, they were going out the wrong way. they're going now the other way. let's see if he stops by the microphone. doesn't look like he is.

[inaudible conversations] he was 10 years old when his father was assassinated. he might talk. he might talk. let's listen. >> we came here today for the drum major institute, started in 1961, my father and others. non-violent social change requires conversation. we had extraordinarily constructive conversation how to carry forth the legacy of dr. king and most importantly make it easier for everyone to vote. as martin put forth in a "washington post" op-ed just yesterday, we're 138 of 172 democracies when it comes to voter turnout. president-elect trump has committed to us to work with us, once and all making it easier for all people to vote. you read about the trump card which is in the "washington post" story and as martin will tell you, it is

every president from carter to clinton, to barack obama who says the system is broken and this president may well have the unique opportunity to finally live true to the voting rights act, maybe it easy for all americans to vote. >> let me briefly, not just reiterate but state that we did have a very constructive meeting. modern civil rights movement was the right to vote. my father for it, congressman john lewis and others, williams, fought for it as well. it is very clear that the system is not working at its maximum, and, through an op set that you may have seen we provided at least eight solutions again to address a broken voting system. that was the dialogue, most of the dialogue that we talked about constructively. we believe we provided a

solution that at least will give everyone an i.d. >> president who still has the scars from the march on selma, were you offended by president-elect's tweet that representative lewis is all talk and no action? >> first of all, i think that in the heat of emotion, a lot of things get said on both sides. and, i think that, at some point, i am, as john lewis and many others are a bridge builder. the goal is to bring america together and americans. we are a great nation but we must become a greater nation. and what my father represented, my mother represented through her life, what i hope that i'm trying to do is always bring people together. >> sir, do you know many, many african-americans are very concerned about a trump presidency. a woman came in here last week and told me is going to have black people up against the wall, both literally and figuratively. did he allay your concerns this will be a president for all people, black and white?

>> well, certainly he said that. that he is going to represent americans. he said that over and over again. and i think that we will continue to evaluate that. i think that the nation supports, i believe that is his intent but i think also we have to consistently engage with pressure, public pressure. it doesn't happen automatically. my father and his team understood that, did that. and i think that americans are prepared to do that. >> sir, if i may follow up, isn't there something that cuts to your core when you hear the president-elect refer to john lewis as all talk and no action? nothing could be further from the truth, isn't that right? john lewis is not all talk and no action. >> absolutely i would say john lewis he is action. as i said things get said on both sides in the heat of emotion. and, at some point this nation, we have to move forward -- people are literally probably dying we need to talk about how do we feed people, how do we clothe people, how do we create

the best education system. how -- >> on this day, what do you think your father's message would be to president-elect trump. >> this is final answer i will have. i will reiterate what i just said. my father is concerned about the fact that 50, 60 million people in living in poverty. somehow we have to create the climate for all boats to be lifted. america with a multitrillion dollar economy, $20 trillion, almost, it is insanity we have poor people in this nation. that is unacceptable. when we work together we know we can roll up your sleeves. there is nothing we as americans can't do. thank you very much. neil: there you have it, martin luther king, jr., goes by mlkiii, youngest son of the civil rights leader who we honor today, saying that he had a productive conversation with the president-elect. you might have noticed he was referring to enhancing or finding ways to enhance african-american voting. that's essentially using a photo i.d. card, that everyone could

use that would be acceptable in all 50 states, something that democratic and republican presidents alike have endorsed, and found to be acceptable to them. and would end this debate about both sides have had during different times of rigging votes at polls. but again, he didn't want to get in the middle of kerfuffle with john lewis, congressman opting out of the inauguration on friday saying donald trump is an illegitimate president. he has 27 kong mon and women opting out. we've never seen that before. he says in charlie gasparino and kevin, to you first on this, what do you make of martin luther king iii was saying, obviously trying to bridge the gap between some angry .

frankly i think that seas what we need. neil: charlie? >> i agree. he also had an interesting economic message. while we're throwing, trump, and lewis are attacking each other there is a poverty problem in this country and the poverty problem afflecks all races but let's face it, minorities, particularly african-americans disrow proportionately mired in poverty. there are two economic visions out there. i don't know where mlkiii fits

on this, but there is the economic vision of john lewis and traditional democrat progressives, government needs to spend more. that it is not the individual's fault. it is society's fault and racism plays a big role in the poverty that afflecks african-americans. there is the more trumpian way of looking at it, free markets. we provide opportunity and it is up to the individual to step up to the plate and i think, you know, it is hard to see where mlk iii fits in with that. neil: well is little poisoned and each side pointing fingers at each other. trump folks refer to congressman lewis, come out the bat saying our guy is illegitimate president. you shouldn't be surprised to get a tweet from donald trump. others respond to that tweet. well you have just critized a civil rights icon, way to go.

how do you bridge that gap and move on past the heat of the moment, especially looks like congressman, 27, maybe more by friday, don't go to that inauguration saying essentially, to donald trump, and their important followers he is not a legitimate president? >> well, look, let me first of all go back to this view of the world in terms of the american economy. there is a third view. it is not an either/or view and one we should embrace we all agree is important, that is education. look at it, right now, over 50% of american school-age children are on free and reduced lunch. that means most of american school-age children are in poverty, white, brown, doesn't matter, most living below the poverty line. with education that is how we grow the economy. there has to be stronger focus on that. i'm glad martin luther king, jr. iii said that but that would help --

>> there is focus on that, gets back to my initial point. there is something called school choice. let's be real clear here, new york, newark, new jersey, where minorities are forced to go to school the teachers unions, we spend a lot of money per captain on children and they get nothing in return, they are held hostage by teachers unions, same place where school choice are allowed to flourish, mayor bloomberg started charter school programs, those children come out -- neil: something different. >> try a free market approach. neil: that was trump's message during the campaign, when addressing african-american voters, what the hell have you got to lose, what do you think of that approach? >> let me tell you, you know this,. liz, i did not agree with trump on a lot of things i agreed with him about school choice. i've been one of the stronger school choice advocates in the country. neil: indeed. >> i think it is important. the beauty about school choice, a lot of people particularly the

unions misses, more choice, boost public schools together. saw it in d.c., new orleans, and milwaukee. i agree with you, that is one of the things exciting about having with betsy in there i work with very closely, it will put school choice front and center and re-energize the whole idea of education for you will. neil: talking about betsy devos, education nominee, her hearing is tomorrow. charlie, thank you both for your patience through that presser as well. we'll have more after this. hey nicole. hey! i just wanted to thank your support team for walking me through my first options trade. we only do it for everyone gary. well, i feel pretty smart. well, we're all about educating people on options strategies. well, don't worry, i won't let this accomplishment go to my head. oh, mucho gracias. get help on options trading with thinkorswim,

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neil: all right. martin luther king iii telling reporters that he had a productive meeting with the president-elect, gave very little hint that he would try to provide an olive branch or to get the two sides together to the john lewises and others who are not going to the trump inauguration on friday because

they do not see donald trump as a legitimate president. martin luther king's son saying things are said during the heat of the moment, but they're still said. and those 28 congressmen, led by congressman lewis, are not going to that inauguration. all of this on mlk day. hey, trish. trish: hey, neil. anyway, thank you very much. here we are just four days away from the inauguration. now, this should be a week of coming together, right? but the left is undermining the outcome of the election with at least 29 democratic lawmakers vowing to skip the inauguration altogether. congressman john lewis even going so far as to call president-elect donald trump's win not legitimate. i am trish regan. welcome, everyone, to "the intelligence report." president-elect trump won the election fair and square, we know that. but the left still will not accept the outcome of the election. here is the congressman, congressman lewis, on why he thinks trump is not a legitimate president. watch.