thanks so much for being with us tonight. good night from new york. kennedy: tonight another round of confirmation hearings from the hill. new fallout over president obama's decision to commute the sentence of convicted wicky leaker chelsea manning. are we on the verge of another punk rock revolution? lady lightning rod took her crusade before the senate committee as education secretary

betsy devos poked the senators like elizabeth warren. >> you have no personal experience with college financial aid or management of higher education. kennedy: i'm sure most funeral directors never died, but still managed to stay in business despite the inexperience. she pioneered vouchers and charter schools to let parents make a choice over their children's education.

sister were there is no more reckless ideology and sacrificing the minds and futures of kids to support union jobs of crappy ideaistic teachers. try saying this to a horrible tenured teacher who has long ago given you have on the system. >> you are fired. kennedy: our children are becoming the victims of socialist snowflake factories. go ahead and subject schools to the natural forces of change and choice and give parents greater tools to strengthen family bonds and society. it's easier to close a charter school than a failing

traditional public school. connecticut senator chris murphy pressed miss devos on the issue of gun-free schools. >> do you think guns have any place around schools. >> that's up to states and loaf cals to decide. >> senator murphy lost some of his youngest constituents in the sandy hook massacre. but gun-free zones make a madman's job easier. her contempt for a broken system and a desire to decentralize the most blatantly communist aspect of our so sight is a vast improvement over the one size fits all wasteland that does such a disservice to untrained

minds. i will never ignore you. i'm kennedy. the senate today also grilled tom price. trump's pick for secretary of health and human services. among the biggest flash points, his past, his personal finances and his plans to replace obamacare. price says the aca violated every principle of healthcare and he drafted a replacement plan with a heavy free market approach. he sparred with al franken and elizabeth warren. >> your proposal would cut medicaid funding that goes to the state government by more than $1 trillion. is that correct? >> i think the metrics we used for the success of these program of is not necessarily amount of money that goes into it. we believe is after he appropriate.

>> do you want plea to read you the number out of this? >> i'm sure you are correct. kennedy: let's run some of these number ofs. a trillion dollars from medicaid. that's not worst thing in the world. >> a lot of the plans to cut medicaid cut the growth of medicaid and you still ends up spending more year over year, you just spends less more. so part of it is just how you think of it. but that exchange gets to a fundamental question about federal program and how we think about them. are we judge can their success based on how much money gets proud of into those program or based on how well they work and how well medicaid does way it's supposed to do for the beneficiaries it's supposed to serve? >> i think in many cases supporters of these programs

look at them on the question of how much are we spending, how much have we spent and they decide whether that's good enough. the answer is it's never enough. and there is no ends to it. kennedy: there has to be a better way of testing whether these programs are effective. let's talk about price's program. he drafted legislation as opposed to other representative senators and those involved in the process who have 5-point plans or white papers. price has a bill. he has something that could replace obamacare. how likely is that once he moves out of congress? >> i would say that it's not super likely. this is a big theme that was in the hearing today. democrats would ask tom price, are you -- it's for the trump administration going to keep this or that as expect of obamacare. trying to get him on the record saying we'll keep obamacare in

place more or less. what price ternldsed to answer back, that's up to you it's driven by the legislature. you guys are the ones who make legislation and who vote on it and pass it. price's job is to implement the legislation. there are some things he can do from his perch at hhs. bust repeal d replace process will be driven by congress and start in congress and it has to move through congress before the administration can get going on it. kennedy: you watched the hearings. what grade would you give representative tom price? >> the hearings are always tough. i think he did well for himself. he will have another one next week, and i think he will ends up being at hhs. kennedy: thanks so much. i appreciate it always. now it's time to meet the party panel. tonight it's kat timpf.

and former cia officer. and comedian joe devito. it appears as though donald trump is taking the intelligence briefings a little bit more seriously now that he's just two days away from the presidency. those briefings have been a bit of an eye opener for the president-elect. in an interview trump said quote, i have had a lot of briefings that are very -- i don't want to say scary -- but we have some big enemies in this country and very big enemies and in some cases strong enemies. at the same time trump admitted he prefers his briefings to be just one page and in bullet format. i don't think he should be sitting down reading a novel

worth of terrifying -- >> the intel has to be sky jestable. the -- has to be digestible. the briefers know that. this is a standard process. people gave the incoming president the schtick saying he wasn't going to attend briefings. president obama finds other ways to get that information given to him. kennedy: before the bring mary vote was cast. a lot of these candidates, had access to these briefings, do you think it would change them wanting to have the presidency. >> i think it would change their vision and what they would say about certain issues and foreign policies. we have seen that with incoming president trump.

it appeared to be a battle back and forth with the intel community. maybe it russians weren't involved in the hacking. he came out of the briefing with the head of the various agencies and he obviously changed his tone. that happens with every president. president obama came in, the reason why even though he's trying the last minute. he saw what we were talking about, he saw the importance of the drone program and he ramped that up. kennedy: he loved the drone program. i guess next in line as far as important what a president-elect can see days before he takes the oath of office. what do you think he learns about the aliens? >> i think we all know that to be oh arrogant to think we are the on ones here. he may want to deny the aliens. there might be somebody more powerful than hip. he wouldn't want the aliens.

i don't know if they are good people pore bad people. they would think if they were too mean and they want to give us our space. >> the alien briefing happens on week two of the presidency. >> why won't he let them talk to us. >> once you hear the truth about lizard people it does change a man. people are almost complaining he's moderating his positions. if he were hitler, aren't you glad he's winding things back a bit? kennedy: you gave him a hard time for not walking back. >> trump is not indecisive. there are people -- people like information. people who are indecisive like a lot of data because they can go over it without making choices.

if your house is on fire and you say what battery did we put in that smoke detector? i'm just hoping this judgment is better. > kennedy: i see the shift. mike baker? >> is it date-a or dat-a. kennedy: meantime fox and friends ainsley earhardt just interviewed the president. >> i don't like tweeting. i have other things i could be doing. but i get very dishonest media and dishonest press. it's the on x i can counteract. when john lewis said he's never done it before where he skipped an inauguration. well he has it turned out to be a lie. so i'm able to say that. kennedy: donald trump claims he does not like tweeting. according to twitter he has done

34,000 times in the last 8 years. kat do you buy he doesn't like tweeting? >> he loves tweeting. people who say i don't like drama, it just follows me. but they are saying they don't like drama in a facebook post. your actions speak differently. i don't even like twitter. i love twitter. i get it. i complain all the time. kennedy: how else would you talk to rosie o'donnell. >> that's what i'm saying. that was the most fun saturday i have ever had. kennedy: she and rosie o'donnell went back and forth on a lot of things including martial law. >> he won't use the potus twitter handle. >> a scorpion can't change its nature.

he's not going to change. i would like to see more discipline in the messaging. it would be nice, but it's not going to happen, so we move on. i get his point. when he says the ability to talk directly to all these people, i understand the value of it there are certain self-inflicted wound that didn't need to be played out on twitter. >> i understand. it's a learning process for all of us. >> spoiler alert on the frog and scorpion story. he's doing it for you, america. do you want a president with no outside money influence, you got donald trump. you want a president who speaks honestly and knows how to use social media and this ways we got. we should have asked for a president with better hair and knows how to take a step back.

kennedy: i see people touch his hair. the hair is real. >> it's funny that he settles scores with 10-year-olds. i know it's wrong, but i laugh at him. kennedy: it will be funny when he's actually president? i'm excited for the chaos. i think he's going to temper his twitter use slightly. i don't think he will use it as robustly as he does now. i think the job for anyone who comes into it is different and overwhelming. >> he should do more instagram and selfies. kennedy: snapchat. president obama's controversial decision to commute the sentence of document leaker chelsea manning creating shock waves. molly hemingway joins me to talk about the confusing move.

if you sent a dozen millennials on a weekend camping trip to the great outdoors. how many would make it back alive. i hope kat makes it through the break.

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kennedy: there is a whole pile of new fallout over president obama's decision to commute the sentence of military document leaker chelsea manning. she'll be a free woman in four months instead of three decades from now. a loof those pushing back on president obama's decision. during the president's final press conference he said he made the right call. >> the sentence she received was very disproportional -- disproportionate relative to what other leakers have received. and that she had served a significant amount of time. and it made sense to commute, and not pardon her sentence.

kennedy: was justice really served. molly hemingway joins me. i think what he should have done if he were a just president. ended chelsea manning's sentence in may of this year. taken the rest of the type she was supposed to serve and give it to hillary clinton. >> we have a little bit of an idea about which information is okay, non-secure with and which information is the worst thing ever. obama says the sentence was really long and disproportionate. i'm not sure that's entirely true. you have other people who received the same sentence, 35 years. jonathon pollard leaked to an ally. the on the ear rationale was man -- the other rationale is that man can is remorseful.

of course, everybody in prison is. i think what obama means to say is chelsea manning violated national security and bad things happened, but he thinks good things happened as well so he will let it slide. kennedy: let's talk about the julian assange connection. depending on who you are you may love or hate julian assange. assange it ear pears to have said he will you have a himself up for extradition to the united states if manning receives clemency which she did. what becomes of julian assange now. >> assange said all he needs is clemency for manning and he would be willing to extradite himself. but his lawyer says he wanted a full pardon. but we are getting conflicting information from this

administration about wikileaks. obama asked if he thought it was hypocritical and he said no, and he down played the role of wikileaks. wikileaks has been all over this russian meddling. but now of a sudden when it comes to manning, wikileaks is suddenly it's an okay thing to leak hundreds of thousands of documents to them. this was stuff of import. it compromised the identities of a lot of people working with united states officials. it also has serious down side and was so much more significant than hacking into john podesta's emails. kennedy: you have intent and you have action. russia may have had the intent but wikileaks provided the action. it seems people are abstracting

how they feel about russia and wikileaks depending on the outcome of the story which is hypocritical. but great reporting, thanks so as much, molly. coming up, the number of congressional democrats boycotting the congressional nomination. why are liberals so willing to ditch the festivities.

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>> if you are waiting for inauguration tickets friday, you may be in luck. nearly a third of house democrats are boycotting the presidential shindig. ainsley earhardt asked president-elect trump what they should do with those seats. >> i hope they give us their tickets. kennedy: the number of senators sitting out is zero. some of the attending dems say they will turn up to remind trump of his fight ahead. and they feel obliged to represent their flocks. and 25 of them are up for reelection in 2018.

so the senators are taking a very different approach. they are going to go. they are going to give the then president friday, they will give him the stink eye. representatives are staying home, knitting doll house and throwing a collective hissy fit. >> there is political advantage for the house democrats. thoverelmingly come from the most liberal districts. i would guess the central issue for the democratic party the next four years will be maximal opposition to donald trump. how far have you gone, what steps have you taken to oppose donald trump. the potential primary fight, none of the incumbents won't want anybody to say they weren't as awful to donald trump as they could be, so for those house members it starts now.

kennedy: it seems like they are all drunk on group think. it's everything is going to be annoying, everything is going to be standoff, everything is going to be a stunt, and things like white house correspondent's dinners which have been fun will be boring. >> so you are saying it will be normal. everybody hates each other and partisanship supercedes patriotism. this has been and ratcheting effect. basically we go back 20 years ago and bipartisanship and collaboration were considered virtues. we have had a lot change in the world of politics. but we are at the end now where the republicans -- the democrats define themselves in opposition to 0 george w. bush. now we'll intensify it even further beyond what republicans

did in opposition to president trump. kennedy: don't they realize people are sick of the partisanship. they want to know what they will do to work together to make our lives better and improve the economy and get rid of some of these nonsense regulations that concentrate power in their irresponsible sweaty hands. >> i hear what you are saying, however, donald trump taking the oath of office friday is a strong test a. that it works. it may not be good for the hyper partisanship. but donald trump demonstrated it gets results. no one was more absolutist in his attacks on barack obama than donald trump and it paid off in a big way. kennedy: and he met with kanye

west. >> no one can take that away from him. kennedy: we'll certainly see what happens here. i do hope that everyone stops being colin kaepernick because it's exhausting. "the national anthem" is playing, they are all taking a knee. they are off the team. the party panel returns. a new survey shows millennial are the woefully lacking in a specific skill set. but arianna grande says she is the hardest working on the planet earth. ♪

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[♪] kennedy: ariana grande. if you are a millennial and find yourself outside and dying, don't worry, you are not alone. in a recent poll many of today's young whipper snappers lack the

basic survival skills harnessed by older generations. many have never been swimming or used a map or caught their own food. millennial pop singer arianna grande is it. she pro claims herself the hardest working 23-year-old on earth. kat, i'll start with you. how many days do you think you would survive post after he-pocalypse? >> zero. i thought it would be dead without going the maps. even where i go when new york is not a grid. if i go to wall street or soho, i don't know where i am. how do you know where you are. especially in the cold, the

little dohickey messes you have and i'm late to brunch. if i can't make it to brunch, post-apocalypse will be tough. i know a lot of people who know stuff. if i felt like an apocalypse was coming, i would come to your house or something. kennedy: we have survival food. we have maps and water packets. we have all sorts of stuff in my house. a good friend told me there is a fine line between survivalism and hoarding. you never swam in a lake? >> i don't understand it. if you are an urban environment and you are a kid you won't have many opportunities to do that. learning how to take care of yourself is an important thing.

kennedy: my dad always said you have to bait your own hook. >> when they were little kids we moved from the east coast to idaho. bewant them to know how to do these things. how to go fishing and hunt. by the way, one of the first things i learned whiff went into the agency was map and come pass work. how do you use a map and compass. all right. never minds. kennedy: ar arianna grande. >> i any there is a 23-year-old carrying a bracket of water in gambia. these millennials aren't doing very well in the air-conditioning. the human body is the same as we

had as being chased by a saber toothed tiger. kennedy: that's why we need a bowie knife. thanks, kat. anti-establishment is a term we have been hearing a lot the past year. but the sex pistols made rebelling against the system cool 20 years ago. that's next. hey there, starting your search for the ri am!used car? you got it. just say show me millions of used cars for sale at the all new carfax.com. but, i don' want one that's had a bunch of owners just say, show me cars with only one owner pretty cool it's perfect.

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ken report sex pistols hit the pop cultural world like a naphom. a lot of that had to do with steve jones who destroyed convention with sound that defined the punk era. an era we could be on the vernal of repeating with destruction of the status quo and a mercurial president-elect. he just released his memoirs

called lonely boys, tealts from the sex pistols to rock superstar. i heard you on the radio in l.a. for so many years. i know your story to to degree, but now i get to read about it in this book. kennedy: one of your if you low sex pistols i think is the most eye annoying pain in the ass. he walked out on two interviews i have done with him for no reason, just to be a jerk-face. and you write about how you longed to be in the clash. it was to get away from johnny, am i right? >> why do you think he walked out? he didn't have an answer? kennedy: the first time it was in 1995?

and it was with the monday after cocoa bane killed himself. so i asked the connection between cocoa bane and he was upset because i wasn't paying enough attention to his book. so he called me a [bleep] and stormed off. >> people like that stuff. it's tough to do an interview. but it seems like -- i think he's still co-oping that era. >> you guys aren't going to play again any time? >> not for the money we get. kennedy: it' not guns and roses money, is it? >> no, if it was i would love john. kennedy: who do you think has the bigger rift. you and john or the gallagher brothers.

it seems brothers always have a rift deeper than two individuals. ray davis and his brother, they would always fight. brothers always fight. we don't have a rift. we just don't want to be around each other. kennedy: i like that you and johnny ramon were friends. you didn't like the new york punk scene, why didn't you like new york punk. >> i didn't not like the new york punk scene. but a lot of people, these magazines in new york, people from the outside who ain't actually in the band come up with the punks died here. blah, blah, blah blah. we were actually playing before i ever heard the album. i like it. i was a massive fan. kennedy: but not patti smith. >> i'm not into hair.

kennedy: there are so many great stories in your book and anecdotes from your childhood. one of my favorites was there was a bar at the end of king's road called the bird's nest and you said it was appropriate because you found a lot of birds in there. >> one landed an egg. i don't know where that egg is now, but i think it' alive somewhere. kennedy: 2015 was tough. we lost prince, david bowie. >> david bowie, that was the one i felt completely weird i heard on the phone. i was just talking to dave and i was getting him to come on my show. it was the first time i was doing my show five days a week. it's sunday night. a guest coming a bang. i was doing a friday thing.

so i called up dave. i talk about legally, and so he said, yes, sure, i'm come and talk about legally. 10 minutes later i get a phone call, david bowie just dropped in. i never get emotional or peel weird about anyone. we were both mourning the next day. he was doing this thing with legally. but the -- with the lemmie, but the bowie thing hurt my for whatever reason. kennedy: george my knowledge as well. we still don't know the circumstances of his passing. well, continued success. the book is great. the radio show is amazing. people who don't live in los angeles can still stream it on klos.

>> i'm not a political person, i think it's a load of nonsense hoff you vote for. i think it's coke or pepsi and the biggest string is youing the puppets. i'm not into politic. kennedy: let it be music then. company time. am i done? kennedy: almost. you are so almost done. coming up. a canadian scientist developed a killer robot that can shoot darts at elk. so i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me with once-weekly trulicity. trulicity is not insulin. it helps activate my body to do what it's supposed to do release its own insulin. trulicity responds when my blood sugar rises.

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darth vader riding a unicycle in a parking lot. i'm from portland. it's so weird. that's why i like it. i'm about to warp your heart so thoroughly you will think i'm armed with a digital flame thrower. but i'm not. this is a retired and cute puppy fighting sleep baby tooth and nail. i love it. he lost the fight. he was hoping no one noticed. then look, you guys. i'm totally going to drive. i can show you a similar video of a cat falling to sleep. but they don't sleep. they just close their eyes and

fantasize about all the ways to disembowel you while you are sleeping. anyone who watched the show knows my love for the 1991 movie "point break" and hollywood horribly made "point break" last year. the movie was a flop. but there was one part i did love. see if you can spot it. >> they are extreme athletes. skills to disrupt the international financial markets. that's not really part of the movie. that's a surfer making an attempt to catch a wave on the brisbane river in australia. the video has gone viral because of how lame it is. way more exciting than anything in the new movie.

i will give anyone involved in that movie a swift kick in the teeth. if i get even one chance to do it. maybe if i get two. >> give me two. that's exactly how you do it. obviously movies suck. they are mostly bad. overpriced, and a big waste of time. you know you only go to movies for that delicious popcorn, and no one can blame. but what does a corn kernel look like in slow motion as it's heated and bursts to life? i will tell you this, it's utterly pornographic. watch. it's like the big bane theory.

there is nothing warped about being aroused by the white fluffy life that is so season -s so sin fully satisfying. topic number 5. gopros led to us all sorts of things, from a first-person perspective from skydiving to a dog loping through a field. now someone has given us insight into what it's like to be a toy train. check it out. this is as elaborate as it is mesmerizing. under the sofa. i remember the first time i road rode on a train. my uncle pulled out a jammy and yelled in the dining card, "give me your money.

he laughed and laughed. anyway, that gopro train set is so cool, i asked my assistant paul to build a train set on our floor here at fox. paul? oh, that's traumatic. paul, you detailed an actual train. those people are going to write sternly word letters to our how resources department and i can't act as your human lady shield. email kennedyfbn@foxbusiness.com. tomorrow on the show, it's

"outnumbered"'s co-host meghan mccain, dave smith and my date for the inauguration. congressman thomas massey. i'm already thrilled. see you tomorrow night. >> i can remember being a little kid and asking my father what it was. >> a century-old mystery. >> he said, "it's from the white house." and i go, "talking about d.c. white house?" i was just stunned. >> the white house neither confirms nor denies... >> what do you see? >> gold! [ laughs ] >> let's investigate! >> i scrape the paint layers down to the wood. >> and when you heard what it was worth? >> and sold! [ door creaks ] [ wind howls ] [ thunder rumbles ] [ bird caws ] >> i'm jamie colby, and today