of the table and like how obama handle today. >> lou: we'll see the consequence and where the two men depart. make and gale, thank you for you. ♪ >> tucker: violent riots last night at the university of california at berkeley, you watch them break out live on the show last evening. the man who made that campus tremble joins us tonight in studio for his first interview following the outbreak of violence. good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." few people are hated more by the left than milo yiannopoulos. the jewish immigrant who has become the face of the right. evidence was on full display last night at berkeley where milo was scheduled to speak but was evacuated shortly before the speech for his own safety. watch what happened.

>> [bleep] [whistle blowing] >> tucker: that was america ride night. milo yiannopoulos joins us for his first end of year since we spoke with him by phone last night. thank you for joining us. here's the reason i want to talk to, not to endorse your views, some of which i agree with, many but i don't, some of you were prevented by a violent mob. if you are an anarchist or scientologist or activist, it wouldn't matter. you are not allowed to exercise their first amendment rights and that is shocking.

give us first a quick recap of what happened last night to you. >> i agree with you in the first place. i'm not any of these things of these posters characterize me as an effort to legitimize the violence. even if it were, it wouldn't matter, as you say. i went in to do my talk, we go in a couple of hours ago to set up our attack and put in a costume or something. i was going to go -- i was going to talk about cultural appropriation and a full native american headdress, a full, custom headrest with my name embroidered on it. i was so mad i didn't get to wear that. we wanted an hour or article beforehand, we were planning it, suddenly, there were explosions outside. firecrackers and rocks being thrown to the building. police were having things hurled at them. then, i was evacuated to the fifth floor by the fire escape, all very exciting. then, suddenly, i was being taken out of the building, i was informed that i was being evacuated because there were hundreds of protesters outside, blowing things up, holdi things of the police. the police didn't seem to be

doing very much besides hiding in the building. we had to rush to the parking lot, find one car, the exit was blocked. we ran into another car, we finally got in one. i was bundled in, put in a bulletproof vest and whisked away. and that is the price you pay for being a libertarian. >> tucker: what is so striking, no doubt the average police officer does not a simple size with a mob like that. not about that. the truth is, they did not come to your defense in a meaningful way. the video proves that. why? >> well, we don't offer absolutely sure. one thing i can tell you is that the mayor of berkeley, who was gleefully egging the stuff on today, who, today had to apologize for the usual leftist name-calling of meek, -- >> tucker: what did he say about you? >> usually slayers, the white supremacist speaker, everyone who has spent 2 minutes in my bedroom knows that i am not a white supremacist. these usual slurs, and an effort to legitimize violence against

you. it is like the punch a nazi thing. i can imagine a reasonable person taken along the argument that is okay to punch nazis. by the left because everyone nazis. >> tucker: isn't it nazis doing the punching? they don't tolerate dissent but celebrates people do? >> people were saying they were going to burn my book while calling me the fastest. this is the sort of irony that the per progressive life doesn't appreciate. that the name calling, grateful as i am to be on your show, i like the attention, the real people i want to hear from are the guys who are on cnn, who are legitimizing ordinary conservatives being called white supremacists, anti-semites, racist, sexist, when they are not. there is inevitable, obvious consequence. >> tucker: obviously, i have an interest in this because i don't work at that network. i don't even want to affirm what you just said. i have to because it is true. here's a tweet that sent out. i hope this is for macy in a twitter feed. "extremists milo yiannopoulos,

whose berkeley event a spark protest takes on the college establishment and rallies white supremacist." that is from the cnn twitter feed. as any of the true? >> no. is beggars belief. >> tucker: the subject is, you deserve it. >> yes, it is. these people must be held to media has created this account that is okay to say almost anything about anybody who is right of jane fonda. i feel slightly conservative or even libertarian points of view, especially if you are persuasive and charismatic and funny and effective like we both are, you will get called the most appalling things. it's a way of legitimizing, in some cases, as happened last night, violent responses. >> tucker: but i find so striking about this, it should not be a left right debate. all americans, as their birthright, have the right, and dumb i can try to the bill of rights, to say what they think is true. period back. yet, i checked extensively, sorted our staff, to find liberals defending you, i found one. one at "the atlantic, a sincere

and principled liberal, defended you. the rest did not. some, in fact, seem to endorse the violence against you, that squelch as your speech. >> if you come out against it and you condemn it, you are sort of thing there is something wrong with your own side. you are saying that something you have done has created an environment in which is okay to physically attack at the guests. let's be completely clear. this is an attempt to paint what happened last night at the destruction of property and as protest. it wasn't. it was violent rioting in which people were physically assaulted. people were bleeding, people were beaten. all sorts of things happen. people who just showed up, not all of whom who were fans of mine, but just wanted to come and listen to what i had to say. those people were attacked, physically attacked. this is political violence in response to perfectly mainstream opinions. what cnn and other networks wants to do is to justify something otherworldly or nefarious about me to legitimize about behavior on their own side. >> tucker: even if there is something otherworldly or

sinister or nefarious about you, you still have a right at an absolute right to despise your political views, do you not? at what point -- >> it is particularly ridiculous, the new york magazine admitted today, anything that is outside of the mainstream, any typical trump order, i don't have opinions that millions of americans don't share. i just happen to save them on a slightly more provocative and interesting way in a slightly larger platform. >> tucker: "the new york times" headline over the story about what happened last night, which is today. "berkeley cancels milo yiannopoulos beach and donald trump tweets outrage." no mention of the fact that you were shot down by a mob. this is the first line. "a speech by the divisive right-wing writer milo yiannopoulos." >> they are trying to insinuate, bloomberg to the same thing, milo yiannopoulos sparks riots. hang on a second to now. what are they trying -- where is this heading exactly? >> well, i feel more optimistic

about this and probably most conservatives because i have been on more college campuses and anyone else in america for the last 12 months as part of my tour. i have seen a change in atmosphere. i've seen conservatives more involved and happier. i have seen also huge numbers of alumni changing their positions on whether or not they will support their old schools. missouri, when they pander to raise breeders, they discovered they lost 30, $40 million. enrollment went on so much they had to close two dorms. you know this. this is going to start happening all over america. my view is, the american higher education market, it is a market, is going to fix this. schools are going to have to pick. either they go the direction of the university of chicago and they say, don't apply here if you want to safe spaces and trigger warnings. you come here to be a challenge. this is a place you going to expose yourself to people that you are going to hate. see if it changes your point of view. or they're going to go to the directory direction of university of missouri. only one type of those institutions will be a financially viable. >> tucker: i'm sure we will

get mail say that milo is not a serious person. but i am interested in your response to criticism because you hear a lot that you are not actually make an argument, you're intentionally trying to provoke the kind of response we saw last night. >> my responses, "so what, who cares." i'm an entertainer, i'm a performer, people like -- one of the things that authoritarians hate, one of the things terriers hate is a sound of laughter. they can control what you find funny. that is one of the reasons to laugh, always trying to dictate what humor is acceptable. you can't joke about that because it it sexist. you can't tell a joke because it's racist. they do that because laughter, you can't control. trying to sort of hammer that down, i'm the worst example for them of someone who is persuasive and interesting and funny. every one of my shows visual doubt, everything will time i do it to her, people say, i have never thought about that. that makes me dangerous. dangerous because my audience is so young, so big, so strong. i am a person probably that annoys them more than anyone

except donald trump because i'm a sexist. that scares them. >> tucker: who, by the way, tweeted about you at three in the morning yesterday. to say "this is appalling" and to threaten pulling federal funding from the university of california system, to which the lieutenant governor of california did not attack the mob, set vehicles on fire, tried to injure you, but attacked trump for threatening the funding. >> this seems to be a fairly obvious consequence. if you don't uphold your legal responsibility to enforce the first amendment, to provide speakers with platforms and audiences with the ability to listen to speakers of all different kinds, agnostic ideology, as you are saying earlier, if you don't do that as a university, you are not performing your essential function. berkeley gets $317 million a year. it is one of the biggest research universities, one of the highest ranked research universities. it is turning out graduates i don't do very much because only 47% of the graduates going

to fall time employment when they leave. it seems to me a lot of that could be repurpose very effectively if berkeley refuses to honor its first amendment commitments. >> tucker: i want to get your book. you are traveling the country because you are selling the book. >> i just started, i'm about to switch into the book to her. berkeley was supposed to be the last grand finale, my wonderful costume finale, the grand finale. i am now focused -- i am now focused on the book of cours whic rocketed to number one of the amazon bestsellers. >> tucker: a simon & schuste but, they took a lot of criticism for giving you an advanced on the book, publishing it in the first place. part of the response was to pledge that the book would not contain what is called "hate speech." what is hate speech? >> i don't know. i have no idea. i don't think anybody else knows, either. it seems to be speech that somebody doesn't like somewhere. a joke that is wrong, something that someone, that if in someone's sensibilities or hurt feelings or politics or something.

certainly, the supreme court doesn't mention it as a kind of speech that should be treated with any type of reference. hate speech is defined by the political left as anything we don't like, anything that violates social justice doctrines, feminism, black lives matter scum ideology. it is not something that i have heard particularly defined. >> tucker: i have literally no idea what it is. your publisher, shut simon & schuster, has pledged to keep it out of your, did an editor say, this is what hate speech? >> i don't know what they mean by that. look, all i can tell you, this book is going to be a lot more serious than people anticipate from me. i have my college tour to lob bombs, be outrageous, whatever. this book is pretty meaty, substantial. i demonstrates a lot of reading, a lot of consideration of the issues. this book is going to be one of the big books of 2017. it is going to be one of those big, signature, cultural moments for a pet looked on my particular millennial generation i suddenly woke up and decided that being republican was cool, the libertarian punk

alternative choice. i'm one of the people they look up to you as a whatever, cultural figure. this book is much more serious than people imagine. if you are a feminist, black lives matter activist who is looking to be offended by this book, you might be disappointed. if you are somebody coming in, thinking, this will be a load of jokes about his black boyfriends and name calling and fat jokes, you might also be disappointed. this is a pretty substantial book. a book that sets out where i believe america went wrong in terms of respecting the first amendment, the state of free speech on american college campuses and the media and in academia. and of arras and america. >> tucker: we talked about this last night briefly. you are obviously an immigrant from the uk. >> on a visa technically. >> tucker: presumably, you came here with the assumption that this was a place that you could express your beliefs, even if not everyone agreed with those. how has it lived up to the billing? >> horrifying. honestly, i'm not being the theatrical, it was horrifying to come here to the land of the three come home of the brave, to

be a journalist here, you imagine, you could say, do, be, anything. that's what you would think. we don't have free speech protections in europe. if it exists, there are rules. if it exists, it is regulated. in europe, you can get arrested for being misogynist or offensive. these are actually offenses. these are things that people can take you away for. americans have to understand how bad it is in europe. in america, i always imagined that this was a country that where we could become a, say, anything. but i discovered, not just in journalism, particularly, most importantly and academia, which is where i try to pop my tanks on the lawn and take the fight to the left, which is why they hate me so much, reads conservatives there are so spineless, i take the fight to them. i have experienced restrictions on the freedom of speech, groupthink, and penalties, social and institutional penalties. >> tucker: and financial penalties. >> for free expression like nothing ever experience. >> tucker: we are almost out of time but we have

guardians of the first amendment, the official ones, the aclu come historically, we try to get anti-american ahead of them on tonight to talk about this. he is refused to come on. also, the human rights campaign to come on and talk about this. is anybody from the aclu or pan-american or anyone claiming to represent the first america called you to say, we are goingo help? >> of course not. these organizations have almost completely given themselves over to a particular view of free speech that is hugely restricted. which circumscribes, which cuts out mainstream, ordinary conservative opinion. there's a reason, i sort of parallel conservative media in this country, there is a reason why this extraordinary bifurcation between liberals and conservatives in this country, because the establishment, the media, academic, and entertainment establishment has made a certain opinion impossible to express in public. >> tucker: the definition of corruption. milo, thank you so much. now, the news out of the white house, president trump is

planning to impose new sanctions on iran as early as tomorrow. two days after michael flynn's at the country was "on notice" for conducting a ballistic missile test. for more, we go to trace gallagher. trace. >> tucker, and they wake up that missile launch an iranian attacking the saudi vote vessel, "nothing is off the table." we have learned the new sanctions will be imposed on multiple iranian entities that are designated as being involved in terrorism related activities. we are told the new sanctions will not violate the 2015 iran nuclear deal. today, the u.s. treasury department of department of department of adjusted statements, which is at the new kgb, back in december, after u.s. intel agency said that russia had tampered with the u.s. election. the obama administration ramped up russian sanctions. it meant that u.s. comp dominant companies and citizens were no longer allowed to ship things t.

some democrats accused president trump of using this sanctions to reward russia for modeling in the elections. >> the treasury department, for what i understand, a fairly common practice for the treasury department, after sanctions are put in place, to go and look at whether or not there needs to be specific carveouts for different either industries or products and services that need to be coming back. >> the treasury department says the adjustment to the sanctions was in the works during the obama administration. now, though president trump's contentious saturday night phone call with australian prime minister malcom turnbull. apparently, when the australian p.m. tried to confirm a deal the obama administration struck to accept refugees being held in australia, trump accused him of trying to send america the next boston bombers. here is the president commenting at the national prayer breakfast. >> when you hear about the

telephone calls i am having, don't worry about it. just don't worry about it. they are tough. we have to be tough. the time we have to be tough, folks. we are taking advantage of by every nation in the world, virtually. it is not going to happen anymore. >> at the prayer breakfast, the president also defended his order to temporarily bar entry to the u.s. from people from seven majority muslim nations, saying he is working to stop those who would do us harm from exploiting our generous immigration system. tucker. >> tucker: thanks a lot, trace. up next, president trump lashes out at us really over what he calls a dumb deal. the previous president made to take refugees. charles krauthammer tells u u uu

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a deal made by president obama to accept 1250 refugees from somalia, iraq, and iran, but australia doesn't want unless you sent here. yesterday, the president tweeted this. "do you believe this, the obama administration agreed to take thousands of illegal immigrants from australia. why? i will study this dumb deal!" could this be characterized as a blunder? we are dry now by charles krauthammer, author of the great book, "things that matter." thanks a lot for being here. funny with australia, people saying, pick your battles. i don't think they mean all of them. you can certainly criticize our president on the basis of that. but the core question is an interesting one. why should america take 1250

refugees from somalia, iran, iraq that australia doesn't want? >> first of all, full disclosure, i am married to an australian. >> tucker: yes, you are. [laughs] >> i am under some constraints with my dual loyalty. but i think it is a perfectly valid question. you know, the australians had probably the strictest laws against illegal immigration. they take you to these islands that are far away, they are not a pleasant place. you are stuck there forever. so, i think it is a question -- of course, you have to ask obama, why did he agree to this. and i mentioned this a little earlier, tonight, in september, there was a deal in which australia agreed to accept refugees sitting in costa rica. these are refugees from central america. now, that is very odd, as well. why did that happen? i suspect there is a quid pro

quo here. some agreement. otherwise, it is incomprehensible. it is not quite understandable. the other thing is, apart from the fact that it makes no strategic sense unless it was a kind of a deal, we are going to take your refugees, you'll take hours, so, doesn't look as bad domestically, because remember, for an australian prime minister, they don't want to violate this sort of rule that anybody who comes to our shores is not going to stay. they are afraid that all of asia, and a lot of people in asia are going to come on boats tomorrow. as a domestic issue they can't allow this. maybe, they calculated, if we take coaster weekends off the hands of the u.s. and they take hours, it will look better. but the other thing is, obama should not have done this. that is a land mine he left behind. on the other hand, trump was stuck with a landmine. he had a chance to make. i guess, he got upset and he has a right to get upset at obama

and at the australians for a landing him with us. because again, there is no good answer as to why. but nonetheless, he ended up doing the right thing, which was to say, i don't like it, i don't understand it. but i got to honor it because it has been done. >> tucker: my sense is that obama felt the third world immigration into america was good for its own sake because it makes america better in some way, he was never forced to explain. what i find so striking, this was public. i noticed this when the story broke several months ago. no one pressed the den president on it. i think the underlying assumption is that former british colonies have a moral obligation to take for people from around the world. i wonder where that obligation comes from. >> i think it is larger than that. i think it is first world. you go to europe, the swedes, they call themselves the superpower of international philanthropy. they pride themselves. it is sort of -- is a root residue of imperialism. we are no longer imperialists. we are not going to be the benefactors of the world. we will demand nothing.

in the past, as an imperialist, you might have "civilized" them, but you took other natural resources. >> tucker: there was no more brutal imperial power than imperial japan, which invited a lot of asia and mess them up. no one expects that japan will take any refugees ever. >> but the japanese themselves don't. what i am saying is, the former western powers, imperial powers, still feel what the french used to call -- there obligation to civilize. in fact, i think, persists, no longer in the brutal way, the way that we took their wealth. but that persists. there is a sense, and the entire west, particularly in europe, that we have an obligation, sort of, i don't know, because we were so historically lucky, that we ended up advanced and they ended up not advanced. thus, we owe the world --

perhaps, it is biblical in some sense. but it does manifest itself in very weird ways. >> tucker: charles krauthammer, thank you. up next, executive director of the sierra club says donald trump's cabinet picks aren't just bad but they are an existential threat to the planet. why? helix plan my business was built with passion... but i keep it gring by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line. what's in your wallet? companies across the state are york sgrowing the economy,otion. with the help of the lowest taxes in decades, a talented workforce,

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>> tucker: won't someone think about the carbon? he and his organization have

opposed president trump's cabinet pick. he joins us from oakland, california. thanks a lot for coming on. how do you say, i've always like the sierra club, i grew up camping in the sierras, give money to the sierra club, i think john muir is really cool. i read your founding statement about protecting and enjoying the environment, i totally agree with that as a sportsman. then, i see you coming out in all kinds of issue they don't appear related at all to be to the environment. i'm confused. for example, you issued a report's release saying that president trump's border tax in mexico is going to be used to pay for the wall is enough phobic. you can debate that. >> part of the sierra club's job, our mission is to explore and protect the planet. we don't think that separating some parts of america from others is a good way to do that. the sierra club stands to protect the right of all americans to have clear and air, clean water, and a healthy democracy, in order to fight for

their rights. if we start to deny a pathway to citizenship for millions of americans, than those of the americans who want to have an ability to use our democracy to fight for a better world. >> tucker: that seems a little bit of a stretch. are you against putting gates of the national parks? that divides the country. >> are we against boarding gates at national parks? >> tucker: you are against the board of all because you are against dividing barriers between places. >> there are into gates on our national parks. >> tucker: sure, there are. if you want to drive into yellowstone, you have to drive through a gate and pay the money. in other words, protecting the environment sometimes means falling it off from too many people. >> really? there is no gate around yellowstone. there is a fence but you have to pay a $20 fee. there is not a wall around it. just like there shouldn't be a wall around our country. have you seen yellowstone? >> tucker: yeah, i was just there. my question is, it's a little more specific than that.

we can have a debate about walls and xenophobia and all that, but again, why is that germane to your mission as expressed in your mission statement? i will give you another example. abortion. last year, on the university of roe vs. wade, you issued a press release saying that the sierra club stands in solidarity with planned parenthood. people feel that way, okay. what does that have to do with the environment? why does legal abortion make the environment better? >> we believe in empowering women's rights. we think that women's who have rights and the ability to have choice about the reproductive -- make their own reproductive choices, will help to produce strong families and help to protect the environment at the same time. the sierra club is pro-choice. >> tucker: but why? i get that you are pro-choice. that's fine. but that doesn't -- what is it had to do with the environment? how specifically does more abortion are legal abortion healthy environment? >> attempts to address a number of people that we have on this planet. we feel that one of the ways in

which we can get to a sustainable population is to empower women to make choices about their own families. >> tucker: okay. fewer people is better for the environment. given that, that is your position, which is a position, then come with the united states population has pretty much doubles and the last 50 years, it is about 225 million people. so, doubled again 50 years is a pretty quick rate of expansion. most of that has come from emigration, as you know. so, why would the sierra club, it is concerned about populations effect on the environment, you should be, in my view, why would you be agitating for more emigration? >> we are not agitating for more emigration. we believe the people who are in america should have a pathway to citizenship. >> tucker: but you a against the wall -- sure. if they are here illegally, why wouldn't it be better for the environment to make it? crowded countries are tied for the environment, obviously, as you well know. why would it be better for the environment to have fewer people here? >> because it's wrong, tucker.

i live in california. i have undocumented immigrants who are on my son's little league team. they go to my children's school. these are families. these are people who are part of our economy, part of our environment. when we go to parks, we play with them, we hang out with them. these are folks who shouldn't be deported just because of your political beliefs or other people's political beliefs. >> tucker: i am not arguing for their deportation. >> we don't think it is good environmental policy. we don't think it is good national policy. >> tucker: it has nothing to do with the environment. neither does transgender bathroom rights. that is legitimate. a fair argument. it has nothing to do with the environment. yet, you issued a press release saying "the lack of access to safe wrapped streams for transgender citizens is an urgent matter." it may be. why is it an urgent matter for the sierra club? what is it have to do with the environment? >> again, we think it's the right thing to do. they sierra club is the country's oldest and largest environmental organization.

we are an iconic organization, whether you like us or not. you used to be a member of us. >> tucker: are you listening to my question? what is and how to do with the environment? i have to know why it isn't germane to the sierra club? >> i was about to answer it before you interrupted me. we take a position on the border wall, on reproductive rights, we joined the women's march, on transgender rights, because we think it is the right thing to do. many sierra club members may be gay, may be transgender, latino, they may be undocumented. we believe it is important to stand up for people's rights so that we can all stand together to advocate for a better environment. >> tucker: that's fine. go work for the dnc. you are not running an environmental group. you are running a left-wing advocacy organization with every trendy issue getting thrown in the same basket and it dilutes your mission. do not see that are no? >> most definitely i am running -- that's what we will be talking about today. the other issues that we are working on. the sierra club is working hard to transition off of fossil fuels, move towards clean

energy. we have been working diligently and having great success at protecting millions of acres of public lands. we also take positions that our members care about that might not be the traditional home issues that you grew up on but they are important to our members. sierra club members -- >> tucker: i'm just saying, you are turning off a lot of people, like me, who care about the environment and want to help. why would i sign up for this that has nothing to do with your core mission? it is distressing. >> we are actually turning on a lot of members. we are breaking members about membership of the united states. we have a surge in membership. >> tucker: congratulations. thanks, michael. up next, president trump has made repealing obamacare one of his top priorities. the same critical error president obama made himself. liberty mutual stood with me when i was too busy with the kids to get a repair estimate. liberty did what? yeah, with liberty mutual all i needed to do to get an estimate was snap a photo of the damage and voila! voila!

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president trump meeting with bikers and executives from the harley-davidson company of milwaukee. trump ran hard on jobs over the campaign. it is he at risk of going astray on obamacare? david kuehne joins us now from new york. mr. kuehne, thanks for joining us. you had a really interesting piece about obama's trouble with obamacare. you said, basically, he squandered his executive capital, his political capital, very early and his two terms and was unable to do much after that. your concern is that this administration might be making the same mistake. i'm a characterizing that right? >> that's right. almost every president -- all as they learn too late, political capital as a finite resource. president obama as a candidate first turned a majority of support after the stock market crash. the economic crisis made his majority, his mandate. he quickly moved to health care. he threw his political weight into health care, now, a central mistake of his presidency. that was of course the worst economic crisis and eight

decades. president obama pledged to increase the social safety net. now, we turn to donald trump. what is the most central point, the most central characteristic of donald trump's brand? jobs, keeping jobs. not only does polling shows that trump supporters overwhelmingly, 94% on the wall street journal pole, view jobs, keeping jobs in the united states as a top priority. but it is critical to independence a view of trump and if donald trump wants to stay true to his base and brand, donald trump wants to utilize this bri periodn a presidency, were you not only have political capital, but you can get more change john, i think you should take on the issue of his brand and this time, if you well. >> tucker: has someone who is already said that he is comfortable with expanding entitlements, or preserving them. it really quickly, what does he do? if your main goal is to address jobs, job growth, unemployment,

what is your move? at you do that? >> i mean, okay. that is a question. first, you have to balance your constituency. donald trump has to balance a free market republican orthodoxy, that us as allies. then, he has a democratic party that is for -- supports great infrastructure spending. of course, every fight we have had thus far has separated the parties along conventional partisan lines. for donald trump, he really has to bulk both party orthodoxies. right? there is a republican, conventional republican party that will never back any spending measure that donald trump pushes forward. the hard left that will never back anything that donald trump's name is anna. they believe in peer obstruction because they are offended back anything that by his politics. we donald trump has to do is cobbler coalition within both parties, and he could if you push it now --

>> tucker: i think that's right. pushes forward large infrastructure spending that focuses on jobs and constructions. the very people that made his presidency. >> tucker: i think you are very right. great to see see you. >> thanks for having reported >> tucker: up next, professor of georgetown same white people should not just have savings accounts, but they should have reparations account so they can ♪ you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief, try doctor recommended gaviscon. it quickly neutralizes stomach acid and helps keep acid down for hours. relieve heartburn with fast- acting, long-lasting gaviscon. and helps keep acid down for hours. i just want to find a used car start at the new carfax.com show me used trucks with one owner. pretty cool. [laughs] ah... ahem...

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tucker: georgetn sociology professor michael eric dyson has a solution to white privilege. he said white americans are to create individual operations accountscompensate black americans for centuries of oppression. he joins us now to explain how that would work and why.

professor, great to see you. how does this work and why? >> it is in the context, let me just briefly say, the context of a much broader discussion about white privilege and right in essence, white american identity. much more complicated than that. i go after african-american culture's contradictions as well. in the end, when i'm making suggestions about what can be done, many white people approach me and asked me, "what can i do? "not in terms of the broad, social transformations in the world, we believe in that, redistribution of resources. bone people asked me, what can i come as an individual, duke, one of the things i've suggested besides being educated, is to do something called an individual repair of inequality. if they feel inclined to do so, this is for people who are so inclined to seek out a way to compensate individually for what they think is a systemic injustice. i talked about buying kids computers, being able to take kids to school, to tutor them, to be able to do individual things that are tailored to

their desires and aspirations, such as becoming professionals, exposing them to things they wouldn't ordinarily see. in other words, it is a kind of ethic of compassion joined to a sense of conscience that motivates them to do what they are motivated to do. >> tucker: i support a lot of that. i believe in charity. what i don't believe in his collective guilt. that is why i'm confused by the phrase "white privilege." >> white privilege doesn't suggest field, suggest responsibility and accountability. the same america that people talk about pulling up by their bootstraps, addressing their situations, their communities, as being responsible for doing what they are doing. i don't believe in collective guilt but i do believe in collective responsibility. >> tucker: responsibility and guilt are synonyms and the situation. let's be specific. privilege. i am privilege, i wouldn't deny that. i am white. we live near each other, nice neighborhood, you are rich, you went to an ivy league school, like me. so, you are way more privilege

than most white americans. why would they -- >> first of all, privilege is contingent upon the context in which it is defined. individual cases could have an imbalance. people of color could be way more privilege, as you talked about, that the average white person. but remember, during jim crow, jackie robinson was most more privileged than white people, but he was still denied access to a water fountain. his kids couldn't go to the same school. i am saying that your argument seems to be rather vulnerable to rebuff because it does it mean economic accumulation can prevent you from experiencing we essentially racial inequalities. the amount of money you have doesn't do that. >> tucker: in 1955, that is much truer than it is now. >> even now, and we talk about the disparities in terms of people achievement, he said he was done out of princeton university saying a black person with a college education had less of a chance to get a job than a white person who had gone to prison.

so, even now, not 50 years ago, right now, the disparities are very real. >> tucker: if i leave in eastern kentucky and i am unemployed, why am i more privileged than you? and why am i in any way, as you put it, responsible for problems with people i have never met on the other side of the country? >> we know that larger forces provide people opportunities or disadvantages. many people say, let me restricted even further. some people say, i came to this country 20 or 30 years ago, i wasn't advantage directly by a system of enslavement that prevailed in america. if you came to this country is an immigrant and you are a white immigrant and you inherited certain privileges associated with people who are already here, that means that that privilege is given you regardless of the fact that you and directly benefited from that and you do not directly contribute to inequality. the constitution was written a long time ago, so, was the declaration of independence. those ancient documents continue to inform people's lives and

shape your aspirations. >> tucker: let me flip that around. let me know, there's a lot of hostility and what you are saying. i'm sure you will see there isn't, but there is. >> not at all. >> tucker: i think it's pretty clear. >> recognition of the situation. >> tucker: clearly hostile. leaving that aside. if i am an african immigrant who comes here, i am resettled from somalia at the public expense, high public expense. am i due to these reparations, to? >> i think people who have benefited from systemic and equity have been overwhelmingly white brothers and sisters. a direct relationship to a notable and documentable and empirically verifiable system of inequality. there is nothing -- i'm saying to you that people of color who are here now who have inherited that legacy as a result of their black skin and their relationship to black culture have to be acknowledged. my bk is not simply about parations. >> tucker: i know that it is

not. let me just -- we are almost out of time. >> it is about white roof refu- >> tucker: they still owe him reparations for slavery? >> no. i am talking about the people who are here. that is an isolated event. i'm talking about the majority of african-american people who are here who are part and parcel of what this country has been and who built it and this institutions to begin where it is now. >> tucker: if you want to know more about this argument, you can read this book. michael eric dyson. thank you so much, always good to see her. to see her. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me.

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>> tucker: this is a fox news alert. another night, another attempt to crush speech. attempting to deliver a speech at an why you tonight

, the video of the event, you can hear glass shattering. these people have been arrested. we are seeing more on this, we may speak to gavin >> tucker: we have a fox news alert, donald trump's muslim travel ban is blocked so-called for now. a judge has placed a temporary restraining order against the executive order blocking arrivals from seven countries. the ruling means that for now, the order can't be enforced. fox news correspondent dan springer is more with live on the judge's decision. the end, what you know? >> tucker, this is important because it's a nationwide enforcement. an effort to block this enforcement of this trump executive order, we have seen other challenges but they are more narrowly tailored. this is across the country. judge james robart, given the attorney general here in washington state a full victory