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americans to have a right to say who is allowed to visit here, and if you're dangerous and can't tell if you're dangerous, you can't visit. charles: they're calling it muslim bashing and it's going back to the courts. keep your fingers crossed. nick, we had a celebrity on tonight. appreciate it. you, too, steve. l lou dobbs is here. lou: tonight u.s. forces on the move, hundreds of marines in syria to provide artillery support for the assault to take the islamic state capital of raqaa. former cia analyst fred fleitz among our guest tonight. house speaker ryan pushing better way plan instead of president trump's health care agenda, creating confusion and concernation in his own conference. >> was republicans have been waiting seven years to do this. lou: tonight i'll talk with one of the architects of the gop
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house plan, a plan some critics call ryan's rhino care. chairman of the powerful house ways and means committee committee congressman kevin brady joins me tonight. president trump promised border security and he's delivering. a new government report shows border apprehensions in february fell to the lowest level in more than five years. we'll report on the trump administration's progress on the border wall here tonight with us conservative commentator, best-selling author, michelle malkin. good evening, everybody. the battle lines in washington are now drawn. the repeal and replacement of obamacare will be fought out along two principal issues the conservatives are not on board with at this point. the medicaid extension, subsidies posing as refundable tax credits, the conservatives such as the house freedom caucus. the republican study committee and senators mike lee, ted
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cruz, rand paul, among others are simply outraged saying they're seeing a rushed process and far too much back room dealing. in fact, both the house ways and means committee and the energy and commerce committee voted to repeal the republican health care plan without seeing the congressional budget office estimate of what it would cost. speaker ryan today tried to sway some of his colleagues by going into full professor mode as you see there, giving a power point presentation. in fact on the merits of the plan, and vice president mike pence gave an interview to our own bret baier saying the trump administrations listening to conservative opposition. >> i think we're going to listen very intently to conservative leaders. we're all literally on the same page about where we need to go, but how you get there is oftentimes complicated in washington, d.c. based on the arcane rules of the institution, but what president trump has said to our whole
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team is continue to engage members. this is the bill, but if there are ways to improve that bill than to give people greater confidence we're all going to arrive at the same place where obamacare is done and replaced it with the health care reforms that lower the cost of health insurance by expanding people's choices and giving states more flexibility. lou: more flexibility. president trump mounting his own charm offensive in support of house gop plan. hosting in fact a bowling event tonight with republican lawmakers. that is quite a -- quite a scene to conjure up, is it not? joining me to discuss whether this plan is the best one for the american people and best possible one of its architects. congressman kevin brady. he is the chairman of the powerful house ways and means committee, and mr. chairman, it is great to have you with us. >> lou, always good to visit a fellow texan. thank you.
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lou: amen, brother. these are tough times, however, for even texans because we're looking at a gop irrespective of what anyone is claiming here. right now the gop, conservatives are very concerned about a number of issues. amongst them, tax credits, they're concerned about taxes on the cadillac plan. they're concerned about medicaid extension, its cost and the reasons and why fors that the republican leadership decided to preserve it. so let's start with those three principal objectives and critiques if i may, from the conservatives and your response. >> first, let me just make -- this is not conservative opposition. these are conservative colleagues. they have great ideas. in fact we're working with them, i've been working all day long as we have almost every day, trying to make sure we get as much as we can in this
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repeal and replace because we have two principles altogether. not just get rid of the subsidies, the mandates, the funding for planned parenthood. all that is gone can. we restore state controlled health care, can we restore the free market? that's where we're having great discussions about how we do that. i'm telling you at the end of the day here, lou, we're going to come together to back the president on this and get it done. look, we fought for seven years together for this day. it's not a tough time. this is an exciting time. lou: and it's interesting to hear, again, speaker ryan talk about better way last night. today lecturing, not seeking the input and the views of fellow conservatives, as you style them, and i think correctly, but lecturing them as this is the best possible solution which suggested in
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regular order and republic hearings you're own hearings would not -- he would be shocked i guess to hear better ideas. >> no, i tell you, i see the exact opposite. what speaker ryan was trying to do is explain the environment we're in, and how we have to stuff 20 pounds of reforms and more choice in state control into what the senate rules will allow us. what he was pointing out is here are our challenges. i know this, every meeting, every phone call, every discussion, every sitdown with our conservative friends, they've already sat down with the speaker. i don't buy this he's not listening. it's in fact just the opposite. he and i and others have been working through the weekends and nights to bring as many of these ideas into this plan as possible. and we have more work to do. and by the way, this is historic. repealing and entitlement, once it's embedded and replacing it. it's happened one time in history. you can't do it all in one
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bill. but we want to do as much as we can in this first bill. lou: i understand, and with three phases, two that go beyond one piece of legislation, it is historic, but on the other hand, the idea that entitlements are being curtailed when, as you well know, many of the conservatives, senators, particularly senator rand paul, senator mike lee, are concerned that those tax credits are simply subsidies under another name. you can reassure them? >> yes, i do. one, i know where they're coming from, and we're always cautious about making sure there's equal treatment in the tax code, so the biggest health care entitlement after medicare and medicaid is the one that you have. you and everyone else, including me who work at a big business. the largest tax break in the tax code is this health care break. so the question is why, can't
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small business people get the same treatment? why can't an entrepreneur or the mom-and-pop deli that's the bottom of your building that doesn't get any help, why can't they get equalreatment? that's what we're providing. the truth of the matter is they work just as hard, they're critical for the economy, working hard and playing by the rules, so that's what we're doing. lou: and small business people, as you say, certainly as deserving are more deserving of that treatment under the tax code without question. >> and the other thing too i want to make sure you know, look, we know it's going to take states awhile to take back control of health care, design it for their families and communities, approve all the new plans away from obamacare. that's why we want to act now. secondly, restoring the free market, giving people choice over their plan, not the one washington wants for them. that will take some time.
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the reason we're moving now is to make sure our states and frankly our individuals have plenty of time to get this in place. you gotta get it right. lou: gotta get it right, and that begs the question as to why your committees would even move forward, move legislation forward without getting an assessment of cost that you could -- showing that respect for the taxpayer that president trump insists be the core value of federal spending. >> so lou, i think that's a fair question. so we know that because the senate rules, that the house is working hard to comply, that this has to balance, not just balance in over 10 years, has to balance over 20 years. so we know for us to bring it to the floor, it has to do that, and it will. not the numbers to balance it, that we're waiting for, it's really the who gets covered by state control, you know, how much our insurance premiums reduced?
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so those are the types of information we're awaiting. and when we do get cbo's score, it will only be a piece to the puzzle because we've got more work to do to restore the free market after this bill. lou: you know, there is something always -- there's something that resonates when a representative of government talks about restoring the free market. i understand what you mean, i understand what you're saying. >> yes, you do. taking the large bureaucracy and pulling it by the roots and restore choice and products. it is a fight. we're going to have to be relentless to get this done. lou: relentless and at the same time open-minded and generously accepting of a lot of views that have -- not represented quite yet in the legislation, would you agree? >> look, we are always improving this. there are great ideas out there, and i will tell you this from ways and means committee perspective and speaker ryan as
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well, we're going to accommodate every great idea on this. lou: who's the arbiter what is a great sgld. >> so when we reach consensus. house republicans are. we're driving this in a big way. we got to deal with the senate rules and we're going to -- look, we're going to stuff as much conservative free market reforms as we can in this. lou: what might be a byproduct, perhaps there will be immense support for reform and good sense of the senate, but might be too much to ask for. >> feel free to drag the senators on the show and ask them that question. i'd love to hear the answer. lou: well, me, too. and kevin brady, thank you for giving us some of the answers tonight, and we're delighted that you chose your time with us. >> love coming on the show with you. lou: congressman kevin brady of texas, the chairman of the ways and means committee.
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we're coming right back. a lot more straight ahead, these are interesting times in washington, d.c. without question. stay with us. . the trump administration touting its policies to secure the border, companies are lining up to bid to design the president's border wall. >> these measures reflect the economy and the border are already responding to the president's agenda even while we're still in the beginning stages of putting his policies in place. lou: michelle malkin joins me here next. and wikileaks preparing to share hacking tools with silicon valley, the fbi and the cia open a joint investigation into those leaks. we'll have the details, much more, stht ahead. we're coming right back. if a denture were to be
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lawmakers investigating whether there was russian interference in the elections, whether there were any untoward communications between the campaign of president trump and the russians and to this point, some eight months of investigation and speculation, zero evidence. wikileaks founder julian assange today saying he will work with technology companies to fix flaws that have allowed the cia to hack into smartphones, computers and other devices. >> we have decided to work with them, to give them some exclusive access to the additional technical details we have, so that fixes can be developed and pushed out so people can be secured. lou: that's one view, and those who would be more comfortable with all of those tools and secret data in the hands of technology companies rather than the intelligence community
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of this country might be, as it were, assange, others certainly not. we asked for judge andrew napolitano for comment, and this is what he said about the likely legal criminal culpability of any one of those companies who were to take those government-owned documents and tools. wikileaks, he said must publish the documents first, then anyone can read them, if wikileaks seals documents or receives stolen documents and passes them onto the tech companies, all who knowingly participated in the transfer of the documents from the cia to those tech companies has engaged in criminal acts. president trump's illegal immigration crackdown is working. new government figures show the number of illegal border crossings dropping by 40% in the president's first full month of office.
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number of illegal crossings dropping from 31,000 in january to fewer than 19,000 in february. the trump administration this week also started receiving bids to design and build the border wall. the specifications are general and certainly dependent upon the ultimate design that the president approves. 30 to 50 feet tall, resistant to climbing, of course, tampering or damage and preferably concrete but could be steel, a prototype due within two weeks with a proposal and price due in may. my next guest says the trump administration's immigration enforcement is already yielding life saving results. joining me tonight michelle malkin, host of the michelle malkin investigates show on crtv.com. best-selling author. michelle, great to have you here. imagine this, we're already seeing a significant drop in crossings and apprehensions on
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the border during a two-month period during which those numbers usually peak. michelle: yes, and you would think that all of these self-styled humanitarians, the bleeding hearts who care so much about people who make these dangerous journeys would be applauding our president because he is showing true, effective, humanitarian concern for those people by deterring them from making these dangerous journeys in the first place, and his message, this very powerful message that enforcement matters in america is being heard all the way in central america because if you take a deeper dive into those figures, you see that unaccompanied minors, it's almost been halved the number of these children who are being sent over, and exploited by human traffickers and drug cartels. bravo, president trump. i hope this is a trend that continues. lou: and he's made it pretty
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clear that he's going to do what is necessary to make sure the trend does continue, including building that wall. we're looking at the process for bidding on this wall, moving straight ahead. you've got to be encouraged by the quick action, i don't think anyone, i shouldn't say anyone, i don't think many people expected the president to move this quickly. your thoughts? michelle: yes, and i think that the confidence he has instilled among the rank and file border patrol agents on the front lines risking their own jobs underscores how serious he is about this. look, one could grow cynical after watching for the last quarter century republicans pay lip service for the need to a fence. i call it fino, the fence in name only that never
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transpired. lou: i do remember that. >> i always have to temper my enthusiasm. in this case, there has been no other republican who has been so deadly serious about committing to national sovereignty than president trump, and these results that we're showing, that he's showing us now, it is mind-boggling when you think about what we've been through the last 25 years. lou: absolutely, and h1-b visas, one of the most corrupted visa programs in the country, we're looking at this administration hold the line on the number of h1-b visas. you've got to be encouraged, very quickly, your thoughts. michelle: i absolutely am. i have a show on crtv on right now. lou: what's it called? michelle: michelle malkin investigates. i went to san francisco where the latest round of h1-b inspired and enabled layouts
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have occurred, but president trump has put a freeze much to the chagrin of the open borders lobbyists in america and in india on the fast-tracking process. we've got the h1-b lottery coming up and a lot of very important decisions that president trump has to make to make sure that jobs, wages and well-being of american workers are put first. lou: all right, michelle, as always, great to have you with us. michelle malkin. michelle: take care, lou. lou: you, too. be sure to vote in tonight's poll question, the question is -- cast your vote on twitter at lou dobbs, we'd like to hear from you, follow me on twitter, "like" me on facebook, follow me on instagram at "lou dobbs tonight". on wall street today, a flat session, the dow, the s&p up two points, two whole points
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each, the nasdaq up just one point. volume at the big board 3.7 billion shares. we call today a draw on wall street. crude oil, however, tumbling another 2% settling at 3 1/2-month low, below $50 a barrel, and that's good news for everyone putting a little gasoline in your tank. a reminder to listen to my reports three times a day coast-to-coast on the salem radio network. up next, professor paul ryan lecturing the american people on something called the better way. you don't know what that is? i'll tell you, here next. > and more provocations from north korea. united nations investigators say the country tried to sell nuclear material online. we'll have the full report here next. stay with us. this is the silverado special edition. this is one gorgeous truck. oh, did i say there's only one special edition? because, actually there's five. ooohh!! aaaahh!! uh!
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lou: a few thoughts on speaker ryan's so-called rino-care.
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he decided to liketure on the plan to repeal and replace obamacare with his hour and a half long power point presentation, urging the gop to support his plan. >> this is the closest we'll ever get to repealing and replacing obamacare. the type is here, the type is now. this is the moment, and this is the closest it will ever happen it comes down to a binary choice. howie: his way, the highway, you are in or you are out. the speaker blaming what he called growing pains for opposition to the plans. but for all his claim of a binary choice, the legislation resembles obamacare light. the individual mandate still
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exists under a different name. the penalty going to insurance companies instead of the vernment. anybody going without come for 63 days will have to pay a 30% penalty to the insurance companies. as for the medicaid extension. it calls for freezing enrollment by 2018. 31 states in d.c. adopted the medicaid expansion by obamacare. 11 million people got medicaid under the expansion and some folks called that obamacare. as a result, the expansion states receiving $79 billion in federal funding while the states were putting in $5 billion for medicaid expansion.
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a smart deal if it went no farther than that for those states that decided to extend. but republican leaders want to wait until 2020 to freeze the medicaid expansion which has some worried it will never happen. that hell will freeze over before it's frozen out in an election year. it's time for the republican leaders to listen to their members and the american people and do what they promised they said they would do. but president obama promised. repeal and replace obamacare honestly and openly and transparently. god bless you if you do. i do want to say to congressman kevin brady, i admire his spirit and his political courage coming on to talk about this very difficult, difficult issue that has the reblican parting why
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roiling right now. the quotation of the evening. it might apply to the proposal of the house leadership. you can't fake quality any more than you can fake a good meal. we are coming back with much more. u.s. forces in syria and the commander of centcom says more our troops will be required. >> as we move towards the latter part these operations into the stability aspects of the operation we'll see more conventional forces requirements perhaps. lou: we'll talk about the foreign and political implications. we'll have the amazing video coming up next, stay with us. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one.
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lou: joining me to discuss president obama's surveillance, and the political implications of u.s. forces on the move whether it's ma fleens syria or the prospect some reports suggest that president trump is ready to november bomb aircraft toward the north korean peninsula. chief political worsant byron
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york. this even aggressive but constrained move on the part of the president to provide support to take raqqa, the capital city of the caliphate, the islamic state. >> there was no realle campaign prom is from trump other th to destroy isis. it didn't talk about the way to do it. but i think it was clear he thought the obama method from doing it from 30,000 feet with bombers and missiles and restrict jiffive rules of engagement. i think a lot of his supporters those would try an air campaign
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before he did anything on the ground. so certainly some people are going to be worried about some sort of mix creep. but we'll have to see if this works or not. if he does substantial damage to isis, i think people will be happy with it. lou: it's hard to anything creep when your mission is to destroy the islamic state and the president made it clear he means to destroy the islamic state. byron: that's true. we found out one time -- lou: this is the new guy. this is a man who means what he says, he says what he means. it's pretty straightforward. he is delivering on his promises. too much is made, i think, in washington, d.c., if i may say this, byron, too many of those
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folks talk about their feeling. i'm about done with their feeling down there. byron: he talked about not having american troops in the middle east. so i think we have two things going on here. i thought what he would start with is really ramping up the air campaign against isis and see what kind of damage that would inflict. lou: we'll see if doing it his way, does it approximate anything so far that the previous management of this country tried. byron, we are out of time, but i want to ask you about what we are seeing what obamacare's repeal and replacement effort. the division within the republican party which the gop leadership as you would expect would deny.
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but it is there, isn't it? byron: i think the republican leaders are benaifg an odd fashion. this bill did not have the aprofit more conservative republicans. they don't have a lot of leeway. nancy pelosi had 253 democrats when she just barely passed obamacare in the house. ryan had 237. then holding a hearing. the ways and means committee has a markup hearing wednesday morning and it goes until thursday morning. the energy and commerce hearing goes even more than 24 hours. what are they trying to do here? i think they are behaving in a strange fashion. lou: they have one advantage. president trump is putting his
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shoulders behind his. he's carrying out a bowling alley offensive with congress. this is good stuff to see. it will be even more fun to watch and see if it works. he's got a pretty good track record. byron: he's smart to be schmoozing with members of congress. that's something president obama didn't do and it cost him. lou: the base jumper launching himself off the 400-foot sandstone tower in utah parachuting to ground. what a way to start your day. i'm sure the stunning views. you have got to be rested after that.
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up next, 400 of our marines are joining special operations forces in syria. we'll take that up with fred fleitz next. >> if you wish to reform our immigration laws, then i think it's necessary that we control immigration. and the on way to control immigration is to control our borders and our ports. if anyone can defeat that sill,i will listen to any plan they support. you always get the amnesty, you never get the wall built. it's time to reverse these things. lou: watch "hannity" at 10:00 eastern. just say, show me cars with only one owner find the cars you want, avoid the ones you don't
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lou: joining me now to discuss the latest military provocations from north korea. fred fleitz, great to have you, fred. this is a very quick, unexpected move, to move under the 11th
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marine expeditionary force into syria at least for a battery of howitzers to be the assault on raqqa. fred: the world knew obama did not have a serious policy. his policy was to do as little as possible and kick the problem to the next president. isis can't be defeated on from the air. we know that from history. we are going to need ground troops. but they cannot be just american. it's important if ground troops go in, we need nato troops. it's sort of a coalition. lou: it may need to be a far more robust -- fred: we need substantial country tbriewtions nato. and they have an incentive to do this. the refugees are going primarily
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to europe, they have to solve this crisis. lou: we listened to nonsense spewed from washington, d.c. about how they are defeated for a good part of past 8 years. it's come to naught. we know many of the generals have not had the acumen, talent and vision to carry out a successful plan or there would be no islamic state. we are the world's only super power. we have spent trillions of dollars in the middleast and we look like damn fools. we have a new president. what do you think of what he's doing and is it the right course? >> the world knew we had an indecisive president under barack obama. they knew how far the united states would go. they don't know how far mr. trump will go. lou, north korea doesn't either. but we find out north korea is trying to sell nuclear material
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online for crying out loud. north korea trying to be the e-bay of fissionable material. the united nations wouldn't tell us to whom they were trying specifically to sell it. fred: i found that troubling. they were trying to sell materials that could make a fusion explosion which significantly increases the yield. i'm worried that north korea even has this. lou: what the hell is the united nations doing telling part of a story. fred: i'm worried north korea has it and i'm concerned who they would sell it to, iran. this is a very dangerous development. lou: the idea that the trump administration would send b52 and b-2s into the korean peninsula.
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do you think there is anything to it? fred: i think there is something to it. we are sending defense missiles to south korea. a serious policy is what north korea is seeing. lou: up next, we'll reveal what's inside a compelling new book entitled, "reasons to vote for democrats." it's a comprehensive book. tammy bruce and mike gallagher join me. stay with us. ( ♪ ) upstate new york is a good place to pursue your dreams. at vicarious visions, i get to be creative, work with awesome people, and we get to make great games. ( ♪ ) what i like about the area, feels like everybody knows each other. and i can go to my local coffee shop and they know who i am. it's really cool.
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lou: in our online poll we asked you do you think speaker ryan would be wise to listen to conservatives instead dismissing them and saying this is what a conservative bill looks like. 92% of you have said yes. a new book titled "troans vote for democrats." it just hit number one on the amazon best sellers' list. 266 pages long. each noles pages is absolutely blank.
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the author is michael knowles. the contents on his views are very, very well. it shows what an innovative entrepreneurial spirit can do. the book sells for $7. joining me now, tammy bruce, mike gallagher, host of the mike gallagher radio show on the salem radio network. let's start, tammy, with what in the world -- the republicans right now, they are surprising just about everyone. tammy: we have a situation where you have an active president who campaigned on something specific. congress has been in a comb
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today for the last -- in a coma for the last 8 years it's like they have been on a beach somewhere doing nothing. now what they do matters. paul ryan was somebody who uninvited donald trump from events. they don't want to help him and they are not thinking of the country. what the american people want is what's pushing them forward. your points are right about the nature of what we can make this bill be. i appreciate the three stages. i trust the president -- the president is fine with the stages. he says he's willing to negotiate. remember it's the art of the deal. lou: when people put legislation into stages, i can tell you this, there is not great an is facing stage two and three will be an actuality.
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mike: this is part of the legislative process. if the freedom caucus gets a seat at the table. lou: having the president drive this thing may make everyone look like geniouses. mike: this is not just ryan-care. this could be trump/-care. lou: to committees to temperature move this legislation forward. if that continues there won't be amendments. mike: they h years u: we are agreeing. what i would say on this issue. i'm impressed with kevin gratey defending the plan. i'm impressed with the good intention.
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i'm not pleased to hear speaker ryan talk about his damn bert agenda. with the lecture and the power point presentation is not brilliant. what the president is doing is brilliant. tammy: i would suggest paul ryan knows donald trump's plans will work and he wants to be on the coat tails. lou: i hope you mention a correct weight to his judgment and intellect. mike: i would be more comfortable if president trump were pushing back. let them go marathon sessions and let them mark it up. tammy: if he didn't like it he may say so. he may at some point decide it's not going well. trump is a man who won't play ball with washington and how they normally operate.
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that makes me feel comfortable. mike: me, too. lou: what do you think about james comey telling everybody he has another 6 1/2 years. he has a 10-year maximum limit he can serve it's not a guarantee of 10 years. president trump can fire him like that. mike: i spoke to your buddy michael goodwin and he points out comey is the only f.b.i. director who has gone after both presidential candidates at the sameime, and it's a peculiar story. lou: i those wrote a terrific couple on that. he assigned some greater talent, if you will, to jim comey than i do. tammy: jim comey is a problem. everything he touched has gone badly. he needs to go.
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lou: thank you both. appreciate. that's it for us tonight. join us tomorrow. the fred barnes will be with us. and we are going to have -- hae a hoot of a time. kennedy: brian kilmeade is here. james comey says privacy is dead. what would the founding fathers do. and could technology turn begins and force us into a one-world government? dr. ron paul is here with the prescription. grab your keys. less than two months into his presidency and donald trump has lord over a divided washington with overblown can dazzle and calls for impeachment with no

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