and to the leadership, we're a party of entrepreneurial ideas and i think majority leader mcconnell has it absolutely right. bartiromo will be interviewing it's got to be open to amendment and more importantly, speaker paul r i think we all d lou, open to improvement. got to leave it there. thank you very much. it can always be better than the first ideas that came out at home, thank you for watching now. here's lou dobbs. of a set of bureaucrats hidden lou: tonight, house speaker in a room nobody could see. paul ryan exposed. you have senator paul on the floor talking about it. shocking new audio showing the lou: you wouldn't think you speaker's disdain and have to instruct a leader of disloyalty for then presidential candidate donald trump. the house of representatives >> i am not going to defend donald trump, not now, not in about the importance of the future. democracy and -- and his lou: and take up here tonight support and his guidance of the house of rresentatives good and great ideas rather for new leadership. we take that up with than to continue with this better way nonsense. congressman chris collins, leading republican randy evans. i'll tell you that is a gag and growing calls to purge worthy line that he continues to emit from time to time the deep state. whether voluntarily or involuntary, i haven't saboteurs and subversives discerned. trying to bring down the trump randy evans, great to have you with us. thanks so much. administration and they must be stopped. randy: thanks, lou. judicial watch's christopher lou: please roll the video now. ferrell says it's time to fire this freeskier soaring to all of the obama leftovers

before they do more harm to the record heights. trump administration. david wise soared an astounding good evening, everybody. 45 feet into the air as he, white house press secretary sean spicer says president whoa! trump is extremely confident he went over an axe before that the justice department will find evidence the obama administration wiretapped him landing safely. before the election. i don't think the axe was a >> i think he's extremely particularly necessary or good confident. there have been -- i mentioned idea, do you? up next, the trump this before, i'll let them do administration fighting back against the deep state and their job and the house and government leaks. senate and the d.o.j. report >> no resource will be spared this, as i commented in the in holding those account who leaked information that could past, there is significant reporting about surveillance well constitute a compromise of techniques that have existed throughout the 2016 election. methods and a compromise of our i'll leave it to them to issue their report. national security. i think he feels very confident lou: christopher ferrell of we'll ultimately come of this, judicial watch joins us and we'll vindicate him. warns there's a soft coup lou: spicer's comments a day attempt against the trump administration. he's my guest here next. after the justice department he's my guest here next. stay with us. asked for two more weeks in which to provide evidence afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. supporting the president's healthy, free, the world before me, assertions about having been wiretapped. the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the house intelligence

committee giving the department the east and the west are mine. of justice until march 20th to comply with evidence requests, the north and the south are mine. the same day the committee will hold open hearing on its investigation into russia's all seems beautiful to me. alleged interference into the presidential election. and the white house today to take advantage of this offer on a volvo s90, pushing lack against the visit your local dealer. congressional budget office's findings that 24 million people or is it your allergy pills? holding you back would be without coverage under break through your allergies. ryan care. introducing flonase sensimist. >> they have a record that more complete allergy relief doesn't match up with the ability to count people. in a gentle mist you may not even notice. they're pretty good at dollars, using unique mistpro technology, not as good as people. and i think when you look at new flonase sensimist delivers a gentle mist to help block six key inflammatory substances the additional phases or prongs of this comprehensive approach, that cause your symptoms. that actually changes the most allergy pills only block one. equation a lot. and six is greater than one. break through your allergies. lou: speaker paul ryan today new flonase sensimist. talking with president trump by ♪ phone in a conservative ( ♪ ) rebellion over ryan care is under way. upstate new york is a good place to pursue your dreams. that phone call after "breitbart" released audio of at vicarious visions, i get to be creative, speaker ryan slamming the work with awesome people,

president when he was a and we get to make great games. ( ♪ ) candidate back in october. >> i am not going to defend what i like about the area, feels like everybody knows each other. donald trump, not now, not in the future. and i can go to my local coffee shop look, you guys know i have real and they know who i am. it's really cool. concerns of the nominee. new york state is filled with bright minds like lisa's. i hope you appreciate that i'm doing what i think is best for to find the companies and talent of tomorrow, search for our page, you, the members, not what's jobsinnewyorkstate on linkedin. best for me. lou: not best for him. joining me now discuss the republican backlash surrounding ryan care, president trump's upcoming budget proposal among other issues is rnc national committeeman former chairman of the republican lawyers association, randy evans. great to have you with us. and let's start with that phone call, the audio of which was released by "breitbart". i mean that is damning an evidence as you could ever have of any faceless follower in partisan politics. it's stunning stuff.

you were on the phone call, right? >> i listened in on the phone caught. i was shocked at the time, there was reporting at the time that paul ryan basically told republican members to do what they need to do to get re-elected and if you look at transcript of the call and we listen to the audio now, that's what he says which is exactly what voters rejected. this idea that you don't believe anything, you're not going to follow the leader who's your nominee, that you do what you need to do to get re-elected. that's exactly what voters rejected which is the idea that you come to washington and number one job is to get re-elected, as opposed to do something like move, repeal and replace obamacare, cut taxes, do things that you promised to do, and i was stunned then, still stunned today. lou: if i may, i would not argue with your construction but add a partial construction, what speaker ryan was saying on the phone call was to every single member of the conference

that was on that phone call you will support a strategy that will result in hillary clinton being in the white house. the subset of that strategy is preserve the house, preserve the senate so that you could stultify and stymie her, just as the democrats are trying to do now with president trump. it was a bald, cynical and vile statement from anyone who is a leader of a political party? >> well, in fairness to speaker . ryan, he did carve out hk be lou: joining us now to discuss anding say we don't want to do the need to crack down on government leaks and purge the things that will help her win deep state from government is but did place a principle christopher farrell, he is the emphasis on, i am your speaker, director of investigations and i'm your leader, and we need to research at judicial watch and do whatever we need do get it's great to have you with us. chris, let me start with today. white house press secretary re-elected, and i'm focused on sean spicer saying that the getting re-elected as opposed to pushing an agenda, pushing the trump agenda, and that was president is confident that his the most appalling part of claims of surveillance on the

whole conversation. part of the obama lou: randy, i would say bald administration will be faced, he said that he was substantiated. going to support a strategy in your reaction? christopher: i agree with him. which hillary clinton would become president of the united whether it's literally wiretapping or electronic states, even uses an excuse for surveillance, concealed how important it was to monitoring, some type of signals intelligence or maintain the majorities in the communications intelligence, any of those different senate and in the house. intelligence sort of collection let's turn to this issue of methods appear to be to have leadership now in pragmatic been used against president terms. trump, then president-elect speaker ryan has failed. trump and his transition team, how else do you explain this he has screwed it up to a sort of verbatim transcript of fare-thee-well the one piece of the phone call with general legislation that was supposed flynn? it's very dangerous stuff. to be his absolute signature, people are flirting with comments which is a special that is ryan care, the repeal access program and using it and replacement and it does with the press to try and destroy the president. lou: yeah, they're trying to neither, and we're watching a destroy the president. have you said this amounts to a severe backlash within the republican party. soft coup, frankly, this looks >> well, i think the large part like an all-out effort to of that is the way they're trying to govern the caucusment subvert the president of the united states to sabotage his the one thing we learned is the administration.

it rises, in my mind, it republican caucus is full of entrepreneurs. they have a bunch of ideas and think on their own. appears it could easily rise to the idea you have a monolithic approach, a take-it-or-leave-it the level of sedition. your thoughts? from the top down is christopher: i agree with you. antithetical to how the average i think when this is all played house member works. i remember when speaker out, when it's exposed, it will gingrich was elected in '94, we had 55 new members. make watergate look like a we had fire brands, but at the third rate burglary. end of the day, it was let's it will show that the national collection assets were focused hear all the ideas, make it on a political candidate and transparent, open, everybody puts ideas in and i think then later on as the president-elect and his that's what president trump wants. transition team in an effort to if you remember, he began with it's open to negotiation undermine and destroy him, and because he wants the best proposal for america, not just this will dwarf any scandal the one that everybody settled you've seen before. on. lou: and this speaker comes right on the heels of obamacare lou: and fbi director comey, he is one of the most peculiar figures in all of this, whether in which there was not a single republican vote, demands that it be because of his reversals there be no amendments with the investigation of hillary clinton. whatsoever and is left with it appears by the way the only only the only thing he could thing that was not wiretapped brag about is he had a record successfully or surveilled was energy and commerce committee her private e-mail server. hearing in which there were your thoughts about comey? christopher: comey is

completely compromised. still no amendments, ways and means, no amendments. i'm surprised he's still around, frankly. this is the stuff, it is authoritarian and frankly for a not just on this issue of the legislator, a house election and the outlaw e-mail representative and a speaker who's never, ever passed a server and the wire trapping and electronic surveillance of president trump, but, look, significant piece of legislation. there's other major corruption it's pure theater. issues that comey's turned a >> lou, it's reminiscent of blind eye to they know he knows eight years ago. about because i brought it to it's reminiscent of how president obama rammed through senator grassley and to the both house and the senate. i.g. at the justice department. do it my way or no way and there are corrupt agents in the that's not the way to go. that's what voters reject. el paso office of the fbi. all sorts of internal problems. they want the idea we get the best proposal possible, but fbi agents who are serving and hearing all ideas, let the best ideas bubble up and move rently retired tell me that the forward, and i think we're mood in the fbi is comey is seeing the opposite of that. basically what they refer to as we're going to have the same result if we're not careful. a dirty cop and they want him gone. lou: and careful the leadership lou: chris farrell, as always, has not been, i'm going to be good to have you here. taking up. thank you for joining us. christopher: thank you, lou. randy is joining me later in lou: director of research for the broadcast as well to talk judicial watch, board member and great american. about the choices that now face the trump presidency, his up next, felony or freedom of speech?

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lou: a question last night. do you think speaker paul ryan has vastly oversold the live-streat the airport.e sport binge dvr'd shows attractiveness of the healthcare while painting your toes. legislation. on demand laughs during long bubble baths. and 86% of you say he has. tv everywhere is awesome. let's start with sean spicer saying the president is the all-new xfinity stream app. confident he will be val dmaitd his claims that he's been surveilled by president obama. xfinity. the future of awesome. >> i think it's going to come out that there was an attempt and an active surveillance of things at trump tower, including donald trump. . probably not. lou: i.t. contractors employed by dozens of house democrats but how did they catch mike flynn? they were surveilling him.

are the focus of an where? investigation. fox news reporting the probe is he was at trump tower. raising concerns about e-mails that were hacked. contractors also allegedly it was not like it was some big shock. removing hundreds of thousands it was upon when donald trump of dollars of equipment from sent out his tweet that they the offices and ran a forgot what they wrote. procurement scheme in which they bought equipment and then yeah, i think it will be validated. overcharged the house. lou: going to this business with this scandal is just getting paul ryan, either you vote for bigger by the day. this piece of legislation that joining me to talk about seemingly every conservative in the outlook for ryan care, the speaker's job and future the house that every itself, a member of the house conservative is repealing about energy and commerce committee and the senate says will not and the first member of fast no matter what. he has fouled just about congress to support the trump everything he could up in this presidency, candidacy, and congressman chris collins. enterprise to repeal and replace representative collins: good to obamacare. be with you, lou. hasn't he? lou: hard to think that far back he was a mere candidate >> that's the political language and now president. so good on you. you use when you don't want let's turn to ryan care, what anybody to mess with what you has happened here in the last have done. what he's selling is not girl 24 hours is a disaster by any stretch of the imagination. scout cookies.

cbo scoring. what people are looking at this first thing, we're hearing from thing and realizing, they are sean spicer since last week what a terrible thing the bragging about they are not going to have subjects does. congressional budget office, we had a very good indication it will can tax credits. a tax credit is a subsidy, lou. which way that was going to go except you get it a year later. in the report, and it did, but but you didn't have the money to begin with. now the protests about cbo, all for poor people who can barely of the other nonsense that's attending this, this is a afford health insurance, they screwup of a huge order on the don't need a tax credit. they need affordable health insurance. part of a speaker who had told there are a lot of things that need fixing. everyone remember the mantra, better way? we're not hearing a lot of to say it's all or nothing, this better way nonsense, are we? representative collins: well, or forget about it, i think you know, lou, we're going to that's a little bit on the bold have to agree to disagree, perhaps. side by the speaker. lou: i kind of thought we might. lou: randy evans who worked with representative collins: today, speaker gingrich, one of the the cbo scored that our country's leading republicans. affordable care act wil he was talking about the authoritarianism exhibited by speaker ryan it's truly a still $387 billion over the next ten years, that is significantly shocking insistence on his way more than we were hoping for. or the highway. and i don't quite understand also we're going to be reducing

premiums which is a pledge we made and they confirmed it. where he ever got the idea, the the only issue we've got now -- confidence to be so i am peer was. lou: wait, wait, wait, am -- to congressman, i've got to interject here, if we're going be so imperious. to agree to disagree, let's get to it. representative collins: okay. lou: the first two years, you he has never done anything. know the premiums are going to >> donald trump has invited just rise, they're not going to fall. that's according to the markup about every critic he has over itself by the cbo. to dinner and bowling. representative collins: well, again, it's over ten years they're going down and i don't this is an attempt to bring buy they're going to go up over the next two years. people together, even if it's elijah cummings. people think that's going to happen because young and i think paul ryan could learn healthy individuals without the something from donald trump in individual mandate are going to drop insurance. how to lead and how to govern. i don't buy that either. it didn't encourage them to he's doing a good jock of have 20 million people opted to showing what leadership looks either pay the penalty or get a like. waiver and to not abide by the lou: you took paul ryan off the individual mandate. i would put forth the 10 hook which i afraud your adroitness. million people that did, and the trump rally for which he that's all that were that joined the exchanges, did so doesn't get as much credit as i because it worked for them. think he deserves, and we are fact they're going to all of a sudden drop insurance doesn't talking about $3 trillion in the add up -- stock market. lou: congressman, you're not we are talking about confidence

going to win this political at 15-year highs. argument and you know it. whether we are talking investor representative collins: if you or consumer confidence. let me stay on long enough -- we have people playing games with people who frankly aren't >> if i let you stay on long qualified to carry his briefcase. enough, i'm not going to get my humble words going forward, and he needs to clear the desk of we're going to get a couple of them anyway. these folks who are impeding the the reality is, it seems to me, progress of his administration. the speaker has an immense problem on his hands of his own >> i don't disagree with that. doing. there are some folks in he has talked about the better way agenda. washington that need to realize he has been absolutely disloyal the entire country elected him. to president trump as both people in the house were elected president and as candidate. you've heard the audio, you know this, i don't know if you by 1/435 of the population. were on the call. representative collins: i was. lou: this is one of the most objectionable people i've seen in politics, cynical, disloyal, they do need to get themselves disdainful of the people leading the party and the just steel away with the supporters supporting donald trump. attitude that donald trump is the president. we want him to be there. it's raw, pure, unmitigated ignorance, he has never done many of us really like him. we support him. anything in that legislature. never. we think his agenda is the right not as speaker. not as a congressman from the agenda for america.

first district of wisconsin. when they had it all for he's put through three pieces themselves, they really screwed of legislation. it up. it was all the most remarkable lou: to your point. this is the man who showed them part was naming a post office. how to win. and we're sitting here talking you would have thought they whether architects of his about somehow we should take victory. seriously his nonsense about not the inverse. this legislation because he's supposed to be a wonk? governor mike huckabee, thanks. i mean, you can complain about a quick programming note for my the cbo, and congressman, i've got the highest respect for colleague birmingha -- colleagua you, you can complain about the congressional budget office all you want, so can the leadership of the house and speaker ryan, but you knew what was coming. you knew what had to be scored and you still pressed ahead in bartiromo will be interviewing your committee, the energy and speake commerce and in ways and means good night from new york. as if, the hell with everybody, no amendments, no regular kennedy: tonight the white house pushing back against the cbo order, we'll just cram it down the throats of our conference. report on their healthcare plan. it is horrible, a horrible they need to start from scratch strategy and a horrible way to or should the haters relax. the number of so-called treat, in my opinion, your socialists skyrocketing in just members in the house. representative collins: well, last year.

lou, it's going to be very who is to blame for that. interesting two weeks. and i will say this. it is up to speaker ryan to get legendary comedian and actor chief marin is here to talk the bill passed with 218 members. right now, there's skirmishes about his book and the assault going on, certainly with those on the so-called drug war. on the farthest right, the freedom caucus who want to end medicaid expansion completely, the new president has some new they want to pull it back by an extra year. fans and they are not just these discussions are ongoing. hillbilly at ride nationalists. i will grant you it is up to this time it's small business the speaker, the leader and the owners whip to get this passed, if we don't, we can't move into tax reform which will stimulate the growth we need in this country and will be all of us in 2018 if we don't get fundamental health care reform and tax reform. this is step one, clearly on the speaker and the leader and the whip's shoulders. i do believe we're going to get the votes. we may see changes. i've got an amendment i am pushing behind the scenes to get into the managers' markup when it goes to rules week after next so they are open to

some level of change -- lou: that's awfully big of them. you sound like you're talking about the pilot bureau and not the house of representatives frankly. i tell you, this president, you know this better than anyone, this president was elected because the american people are sick of the elites, sick of the establishment nonsense, and if you go through the list of donors for the speaker, it looks like he charged up both the business roundtable and the chamber of commerce simultaneously, and i mean, it's appalling, it is absolutely appalling what we're witnessing here, and if the congress thinks it's going to pull -- the congressional leadership thinks it's going to pull this stuff on the american people and on the president, we're head toward a very severe conflict in the house of representatives. look at this. jim jordan, mark meadows, the leaders of the freedom caucus, you've got a group of people who are not going to put up

with this t and they made that clear. the senate already told you, it's dead. it's not happening. what does it take to break through to the leadership of the house of representatives? representative collins: at some point very quickly, lou, it's going to be a binary choice, either we accept a compromised bill, and this is certainly a compromised bill. we're going to remind everyone a new york or new jersey republican is not the same as louisiana, texas or florida republican, and that compromises what you're seeing here. it's the speaker's job to get it passed in the house and the leader's job, mitch mcconnell, to get it through the senate. and when people come right down to it, there were a lot of those that said we weren't going to get rex tillerson or betsy devos through and we did. it's a binary choice, we either get rid of obamacare or it's here to stay. that's the binary choice, and i think when it comes down to that, the freedom caucus will support it, and i believe the senate will pass it, we'll get

this signed so we can move on. the fundamental tax reform to get this economy growing -- >> you know, congressman, you're talking about the reason to run a bad bill in a binary choice as you styled it and as speaker ryan styled it, it is because you want tax reform. that is plain crazy, and it's the kind of legislative -- congressman, it's the legislative construct that's gotten the republican party before in trouble. representative collins: no, so i guess the question would be the sticking point is the medicaid expansion in 2020 being there at a 50% reimbursement that the freedom caucus doesn't like. here's what they're not acknowledging. under the waiver program of medicaid that option has always been there. new york has had that expansion piece -- lou: we've got to go, congressman, we're getting killed here. i'd love to give you the time to go into the medicaidstension

but all of the issues are in front of us. the speaker knew, that the leadership knew that, the president of the united states right now has his -- his administration on the line because of the foul-ups and the outrageously absurd, unimaginative thinking of a speaker who thinks he is somehow presiding and who has been absolutely ugly awful to the party's candidate. i think people are -- he is absolutely, in my opinion, speaker ryan, the sooner he goes, the more likely you have a chance of having a binary choice, and hopefully it would be a good one, not another artificial hubson's choice that is the favorite of the leader and speaker. congressman, thank you for joining us. representative collins: okay, lou, stay warm. lou: you, too, partner. be sure to vote in tonight's poll -- it's that simple, that plain.

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republican nominee, and now "breitbart" obtaining audio of the speaker slamming mr. trump during that conference call with house republicans. >> i am not going to defend donald trump, not now, not in the future, look, you guys know i have real concerns with the nominee, i hope you appreciate that i'm doing what i think is best for you, the members, not what's best for me. lou: yeah, i'm sure everybody appreciated that. what's best for house republicans, not himself. that's laughable. perhaps he meant what's best for his donors, corporate, banks, health insurers, i said ryan seem hell bound in destroying the republican party, that back in october and he had no concept of unity or responsibility of speaker, it was worse than that. he was determined to destroy donald trump. and now five months later ibelieve the speaker is in the exact same place as he faces

opposition from dozens of conservatives in the house and other conservative groups as well on his plan to repeal and replace obamacare. a new ppp poll conducted in ryan's home state of wisconsin in that district finding more voters oppose ryan care than favor the legislation. that's in his home district. that same poll showing more voters in ryan's hometown have a favorable opinion of president trump than they do of speaker ryan. ryan's achieved next to nothing since he became speaker a year and a half ago. he achieved next to nothing in his entire career before becoming speaker, and he's worked against his party's presidential nominee and he has lost. he put forward a mantra instead of policies he lost again, and yes, that's right as a vice presidential nominee of his party, he and mitt romney also lost. it is time for his party, if not the speaker himself, to

recognize his limitations, his decidedly poor judgment and poor prospects for in any way finding a better way. i believe it's time for ryan to vacate the speaker's office in the interest of his party and, in fact, the nation. now, our quotation of the evening, this from woodrow wilson who said -- that's president trump. how would you describe speaker ryan? we're coming right back. speaker paul ryan says either support his bill or the health care system collapses, but senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says legislation will be open to amendment in the senate. >> it will be to open amendment in the senate like all reconciliation bills are. we're anxious to get past the status quo. lou: leading republican randy evans on what in the world is

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presidential candidate donald trump. this is the speaker during that interview with martha maccallum on fox news moments ago. >> this is ancient history. that was back then when the video came out. look, it's no secret donald and i had our ups and downs during the campaign but we merged forces at the end of the campaign. i campaigned with mike pence, i supported donald trump. we merged forces and since then we've been working hand and glove together. i got thick skin, this is such an ancient history, i'm surprised it's even a story. lou: well, that's interesting, he's got really thick skin and ancient history and five months ago and he never did campaign with president trump. back with us now, rnc national committeeman former chairman of the republican lawyers association, randy evans, one of the country's leading republicans. i can't wait to hear your reaction to that.

randy: couple things, first time i heard five months be ancient history. i must have learned history differently when i was in school. but the bigger history that speaker ryan has to confront is this, the consolidation of power inevitably leads to the loss of power. barack obama consolidated power, he ended up losing the house, the senate and the presidency. nancy pelosi as speaker concentrated power, she lost the speakership. harry reid concentrated power as the majority leader, he lost the senate. speaker jim wright and speaker tom foley lost the speakerships when they consolidated. i was in the speaker's office when speaker newt gingrich decided to consolidate power and we had a coup attempt. leads to the same destination, you either conclude you are the leader of many ideas or a totalitarian, authoritarian leader who says it's my way or the highway. that's what bothered me so much in the earlier interview, it's

a binary choice. trust me binary choices are my way or the highway. lou: hobson choices are putting up false choices of the two worst possible alternatives. i mean, this is -- and speaker ryan continues, randy, to pretend he's an intellect for god's sake and these are new ways, new approaches and effusing capitol hill with the brilliance of his mind. my god. what do you think? do you think he can remain in office or for the good of his party, for the good of the house conference, for this president, for the american people resign? randy: i think he'll either adopt a different leadership model or he won't survive. there is no way can you operate the speaker's office with that kind of control and expect to survive over a full two-year or four-year period. it's not possible.

i was there 14 years and having seen two different speakers, every time there was this effort to force this binary idea, this, you know, you have two choices, you either pass the bill to read it or don't pass the bill. any time you do that, you necessarily stifle the best ideas in favor of the leadership's directive who answer to a completely different constituency than the american people. lou: right, i think you put it as well as it can be put. and to hear congressman i have great respect r, c collins of new york, to hear him with talking points, binary choice, binary choice, like paul ryan, he would be willing to entertain a few amendments. my god, randy. when do politicians talk like that even if they are thinking like that? i mean the arrogance of the moment is overwhelming for the good of the president. for his administration, what

does he do here, in your judgment? randy: well, lou, the bigger problem is that it's directly the opposite of president trump's initial tweet on the issue of health care. what was his initial tweet? it's open for negotiation. what is the speaker's initial response? it's not open for negotiation. you either accept it or you reject it. now when you have them on completely different sheets of the music, bad things happen,