think, eight mostly muslim cities to the united states. ashley: we have no idea that today's incident is connected to that. liz: that's right. stuart: i do believe there's political fall-out, political implications. that's how we will leave it. neil, it's yours. neil: very good reporting. we will follow up on what we are getting, stuart. urging all americans to be very cautious and to understand that the american embassy is there to help in any way possible. again, you've heard these developments over the last hour, do i want to point to an inflation point in the markets when they first got wind of this. that beeping dot there kind of shows you the moment which our markets just got when these

developments at britain, before they knew it was potentially a terrorist attack. what is going on with this, we don't know. what we do know right now is it has superceded virtually any other news coverage right now on this the anniversary of the belgium terrorist attack. >> incident that's about an hour and 20 minutes old, give or take. we will start at the beginning and try to work our way through this with what we know right now. we do know that a man attacked a police officer outside of the uk parliament today in the -- and the london police are treating it as terrorism until they know otherwise. they're reporting on it and they say there are two incidents to look at presumably. you don't want to make too many assumptions. the two are linked into one larger incident. first a vehicle running over a group of pedestrians, the second a man being shot after stabbing a police officer.

first of all, a four-wheel drive vehicle said to have driven over and you see some of this in the automations on the screen. the westminster bridge in london. just a very busy tourist area. 2:00 o'clock in london in the afternoon and the vehicle drove over a group of people before crashing into the barricades outside of parliament. the man driving that vehicle, or a man we should say until it is 100% confirm, tried to get on foot past the barricades to get into the parliament. at one point that man stabbed a police officer who was there. the man said to have a 78-inch knife on him at the time. subsequently that man was shot an injured by the police. the police officer and suspect are treated for injuries. we don't have any word how serious the injuries are. is that the person the only suspect involved? if so the situation would be

contained at this hour. we do know of several injuries. we just don't know how many. we have the officer certainly. we have the suspect as well and unknown number on the street having been injured. parliament is still on lockdown we're told. the session had been underway in the afternoon hours has been suspended. the prime minister of uk theresa may is said to be safe inside of the complex. president trump who we say for a brief time we're told has been briefed and will continue to be briefed as the situation unfolds. the gallery of the house of commons came across that was being evacuated. they are stepping up security at other related complexes. the scottish parliament is one example of that. we'll wait, neil, for more information to come out. we know parliament remains on lockdown. we know of several injures. we don't know how many. we're assume the incidents are linked, vehicle running over pedestrians and the man subsequently being shot. that is where we are.

neil: onç the anniversary how t rolled out on multiple incident across the city but we are monitoring it. again not jumping to any conclusions. connell going back to you soon. connell said parliament is in lockdown, the scottish parliament, this is a big deal in scotland they're weighi another "brexit" vote. of this not agreed what england has done to take itself out of the european union here. there is an effort to get another referendum going before scottish voters that mandate, that new attempt has been suspended for the time-being. i suspect many things have been and will be in that neck of the woods. in. ypd is monitoring -- nypd is monitoring developments very closely. state department is urging those in the greater london area to fon loved ones to know that they're okay. michael mike balboni, new york

homeland security director. they start dotting is and security ts. what happens now. >> there is always a concern whether or not this is a coordinated effort. this is so bizarre, neil, trying to run people over and use a knife what to get into a will fortified facility. i was there in, got security tour from the sergeant-at-arms back in november. it is a very robust security status and to have somebody to to do this, you have to sit back and think this guy will commit suicide. nonetheless, brings the notion this is something that connects both europe and the united states. specifically britain and new york. we have our eye what happens, particularly events involving bombs. that is what is going on now. is there any intel that targets anyone here in new york or for that matter any city in the u.s.? >> you were mentioning that.

i'm comparing apples and oranges michael, but it super fortified institutions, obviously parliament, even the white house where no less than two intruders in little more than a week got access on the white house ground. one even tapping on the door of the white house before apprehended ultimately by secret service agents. showed different sense vulnerabilities here. continued vulnerabilities elsewhere. so much we don't know about this. british authorities at this stage are treating this as a terrorist incident until otherwisenformed. what do you make of that pproach. >> well it follows things we've seen in germany and in france where the vehicle has been used as a weapon. it is the same type of modus operandi they used before. the fact he got out with a knife if in fact the connection the car attack or car incident, not

necessarily attack that we know right now and the knife incident, the question becomes, is this same type of thank that happened at the christmas day market in germany? is this theç same type of approach, just use whatever weapon you can, go and target unarmed civilians and try to make a random statement of violence? if that is the case, it confounds us to think why they're doing that. neil: michael, i always bug you with these stupid questions at times like this but you are always patient and indulge them. when i hear talk of i increased chatter, we hear reports of increased chatter on extremist networks, what does that mean? >> there is obviously communications are going on all the time and what we learn, seminal moment was right before 9/11 there was reports of increased chatter. we didn't have all the social media platforms like we do today. there was always a lot of email

traffic back and forth. that is indicator that an event was going to happen. therefore, pay attention to that what we learned first of all the dark web, folks to beneath the surface. they're able to communicate in a way does not avail itself to monitoring by security agencies. we're not sure there is preamble of increased chatter. if this situation is not coordinated event, just an individual who is doing this and taking it on their own, that would belie the fact increased chatter had anything to do with this incident. neil: we're looking at anniversaries. you can pick and choose these anniversaries, sadly these things happen more than we like but on the anniversary of the belgian attacksshory before the paris attacks, we do see sort of coordination amongst these sort of things. do you suspect dates had anything to do with it? >> if you look back at history of the attacks, particularly from al qaeda, they don't really

pay attention to date. this is something that we always pay attention to on the anniversaries. they don't necessarily. they look for opportunities. if it is done from organized, coordinated perspective, of people who have been trained to committees types of attacks, they look for opportunities not necessarily for dates. neil: finally your sense if we are coordinating, and we're getting reports that the state department is in communication with counterparts in london. i assume that is much the same with parisian authorities there trying to coordinate whether they are there in belgium or what have you, how does that, you know, how is that information shared, extended? >> well that is, the developing various apps. obviously if you're traveling overseas you can get on the state department website. you can see what the terrorism threats are or different parts of the world which is always a good idea before you travel overseas. but in this kind of an event i'm not really sure that is that much help.

when you had paris, when you had explosions, when you had multiple site where people were injured, even in the airport in brussels, you are thinking where are your loved ones? they're traveling today. how do we get them information? most likely people reach out to the state department if they need to. most of the time people have a hotel or visiting relatives and they don't necessarily need that kind of support butç it is alws there if they should. neil: michael, thank you as always, my friend. we want to update you as michael and i were chatting here, parliament remains suspended. the scottish parliament has ceased activities today. they're in the middle of trying to get another "brexit" referendum going. they don't agree what britain has done to leave the european union. they're working mightily to separate from that, that they don't leave the european union. those activities were frozen as a result of this. state department is ready to assist the uk in any way. we told you earlier as did connell mcshane, the president

has been notified of these development. keep in mine he consistly said terror is problem we all share from disparate politics and all points of view, and we must be vigilant this is prior to comment by donald trump on this issue. the police in london are indicating this is a terrorism incident unless they learn otherwise. the better part of valor to keep the lockdown in place and treat this as a terror incident. who knows that better than someone who lived through perhaps the worst such incident in american history karl rove, with president bush during 9/11. he joins us right no. good to have you. i apologize under these circumstances. i know this is a little bit different. i had the opportunity to see the bush museum in dallas. obviously a prominent part of that was 9/11 andesponding to

that. but youeally got an appreciation of the dimensions how that unfolded and the magnitude of it. now night an day here. let's hope it stays that way, but how do agencies then try to get to the bottom of something like this, relive that with what we've learned to do since? >> yeah. well, first of all, these are different incident but there are some principles involved. one of which is, obviously that they want to, they want to understand who this person is, what kind of connections and motivations they might have. my sentence is they know probably by now exactly who this person is. i wouldn't be surprised if the authorities weren't already in route or in control of items in his apartment or house, and beginning to examine those. another question is always, how much more of this is there that we don't know about? i thought it was interesting

that it took them a few minutes but nonetheless, some number of minutes to conclude that they needed to clear the gallery of the house of commons. then they also obviously have now taken steps to protect the scottish parliament which is several hundred miles away. this is always a question of how much more do we need to do? how far might this incident go? are there likely accomplices? are there other element in this? if so, what would the points of vulnerability be and what we need to do to take immediateç steps to protect them. we're in the opening moments of this. rarely do these things become completely known in a very fast fashion. we're likely to learn things in the several days ahead and, but the focus of all of the intelligence agencies and enforcement agencies both in the united states and the united kingdom and in other western countries have become unfortunately quite trained and quite adept dealing with this kind of situations. neil: as you're speaking i want

to make you and our viewers aware british authorities are confirming that one women is dead in this london parliament attack. various sources quoting a number of others as well who have catastrophic injuries, severe injuries, life-threatening injuries. we don't have a firm number on that. but again, karl, it is going to raise questions about this chatter, who knew what and when? we always try to go back to be on top of this sort of stuff. agencies don't talk to one another, communicating. we have in this country homeland security which unite all the various agencies and departments in charge of doing essentially the same thing, keeping us safe. everyone will reexamine that. but what's the next phase? >> well one of the most important things that came out of 9/11 was an necessity for the coordination of agencies. and you're right, home lan

security plays a big role in that but most western countries adopted the same notion of the united states as fusion centers. that is to say they set up mechanisms that allow coordination among the relevant, intelligence, homeland security and law enforcement agencies to takea look at this. my se, tat center in london has been spun up since the moment this began. there is close coordination between all available agencies that might have flows of information about this. i thought your previous guest, i thought mike made a really good point. this notion of these incident having a preamble of chatter. sometimes the chatter is connected to the event. many times it's not. he is right, the people that generally have something to do with this, generally operate in the deeper parts of the web less likely to be seen and heard. so we've got to be careful about, there might have been chatter that sort of indicated this might happen, this might be the act of a deranged,

self-directed jihadist or might be that of simply self-directed madman. a notion of getting in a car, driving across a bridge. running into as many people as you can, charging a fence with a seven-inch knife when you know on the other side of that fence, if you thought about this, are people with automatic weapons is, you know is a sign of how unhinged some of these actors are. neil: you know you mentioned the chatter issue. this comes in debating how far government should go spying on its citizens, spying on communications. this is a whole separate drama around whoç was listening in on trump or trump staffers calls and communications with the russians. i'm going far afield but to make a greater point here do you rethink the need for government to be involved in this sort of tinge when it comes to chatter?

it will once again draw distinctions how far you go but what do you think of that? >> no, look, i don't think this ought to cause us to change or alter our view. our view ought to be in order to protect america we need to be listening into the conversations of those who are foes and opponent. that we ought to be monitoring the internet for these kind of flows of dangerous information. this has allowed to us identify people who have sworn themselves to the support of dangerous ideology and have given support to terrorist movements. and yes, americans occasionally get caught up in that because as we saw last summer there was useful and necessary surveillance of russian actors who had incidental contact with americans. there are going to be bad actors abroad in terrorist strongholds who have contact, incidental contact with americans or deliberate contact with americans who have either reached out to them and given

them indication they might be open to persuasion. we need to protect our country. we need to use all available tools and protect our constitutional rights which is done in very strong fashion. when those rights are violated, by members of our government, there ought to be consequences but this has been, these tools served to keep america largely safe and much safer than it would be without them since 9/11. and a moment like this should not cause us to waiver in our devotion to thosekind of tls and surveillance. neil: well-put, karl, thank you very, very much. karl rove. the president has already been briefed on this. blake burman is at the white house. what he learned since. blake? reporter: this is standard procedure for what takes place here at white house. administrations past, keeping with tradition here at the trump white house, the president has been briefed on an issue rises to the level with we're seeing or what we believe we might be seeing over there in london.

the president was briefed we're told a little while ago by his national security advisor, that being h.r. mcmaster. the president was actually in an event dealing with health care a little while ago, and the pool, the media cameras were ushered in very briefly for a few moments, the president spoke is happening in london moments ago. take a listen to president trump. >> sorry, we're getting an update on london. there is some news having to do with london just happened. reporter: that, neil was extent of comment from president trump as it relates to a situation in london. it is health care at the forefront here at the white house on this day and on capitol hill the we can tell you that at the white house roughly 10 or so members, republican members who are on theç fence whether or not they might vote yes or no tomorrow up on the hill have been brought here to the white house to speak with the president.

one of the deputy whips, congressman patrick mchenry in north carolina said quote, we're bringing them to the closer. we expect members of the house freedom caucus, 20 or so members are firm nos believed to be here at white house to speak with the president tomorrow as the vote draws near. neil. neil: none of that, timetable of that has been affected thus far? reporter: not that we're aware of. president was in a health care meeting. we believe all the other meetings this afternoon are schedule as they were put on the schedule, neil. neil: blake, got it. thank you very much. congressman lou barletta. good to have have you. sadly under these circumstances. hearings with judge gorsuch, nothing has been delayed, stymied anything like that? >> no, nothing's been delayed at this time. i know the president is working very hard.

he is totally engaged as well as speaker ryan and leadership. right now we're still scheduled to vote on thursday. >> what is your sense how the vote will go, congressman? >> it is very close right now, neil, to be honest with you. i was a no because i had a concern with one particular issue in the health care bill although obamacare is a disaster, and i'm committed to replacing it but i met with the president last night and with speaker ryan and they have met my concerns. so i will be supporting the bill. i think we'll see more of that as the day goes on. the president getting totally engaged with members who have issues. neil: guys, if we could show the congressman right now to not jar people, we're showing an image he is not addressing for the time-being. i want to put it in context for folks. >> sure. neil: when you're looking at this headlight care vote tomorrow, sir, the feeling seemed to be from the freedom

caucus there would be at least 20 plus members who are not going to vote for it. are they accurate or how do you see it? >> they may have a good count of what it is but as i said, you know, as i talked to members, it seems that some of them are beginning to break down to, you know, how they can get to yes. i do believe there are enough members here want to try to get to yes. the fact that this president is as engaged as i saw last night, he is going to do help these members get to where they got to be. even though there may be 20, neil, there may be more than that, i wouldn't bet that is what it will ben thursday. neil: any process democratse along? i know consensus seem to be its up to republicans to carry the day? any word you're hearing that it could be, you know a few democrats who ultimately say, all right, this fix is better than the fix we're in? >> sure i believe there are

democrats who actually believe that and will say that, however i believe on thursday theyç wot vote that way. but the president when he addressed us at conference believes there will be things when we get to bucket number three, to the third phase, which he believes there will be some things that the democrat may like. at that point to come along. neil: what got you to come along? you were concerned and now to say i like it? >> i don't believe illegal immigrants should get tax credits from the federal government. if we want to stop illegal immigration we have to stop getting benefits. there was no verification of social security number to prevent illegal immigrants. neil: is that provision now gone, sir? >> i will introduce the bill after my meeting last night. i will be introducing a bill in april that will require anyone who is getting a tax credit from the federal government, that their social security number will be verified.

$750 million, neil, went to illegal immigrant and people who shouldn't be getting subsidies under obamacare. we can't let that happen in our bill. neil: congressman, thanks very much. >> you're welcome. neil: very latest on this. i know we switched back and forth here. we have a lot of concurrent things going on, not just this incident across the pond here in london where we now have one woman confirmed dead, several others with severe, what they're terming catastrophic injuries. we would be remiss if we weren't focusing on that. we're focusing on judge gorsuch hearings here, day three. they're supposed to wrap up tomorrow. tomorrow is also the day we're told the house is going to go ahead and vote on the health care rewrite. it is uphill battle. we have it covered for you. we're on top of it. stay with us.

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neil: all right. we're supposed to be getting an update in the next 15 minutes or so from scotland yard on this

what you can tell you thus far, about an hour 40 minutes ago attacker stabbed a police officer and shot by police on the grounds outside of britain's parliament buiings. e of the most tensely fortified secure buildings on the planet. that institution is still in a lockdown. about the same time, they're not quite linking this yet. around the same time a vehicle ran over mowed down more the term pedestrians on westminster bridge near parliament. authorities are treating this and continue to treat this as a terrorist incident. one woman who has died. we don't know at which venue. presumably on the bridge. we also know a number of others who are severely what they're terming catastrophically injured. all of this on the anniversary of suicide bombings of brussels airport that killed 32 people. a security analyst paul allyce is looking into this, has certain terror group fingerprint ring to it.

who would that be, paul? >> no question about that. neil. as your point used the term mode down. that comes right out of the al qaeda playbook. this is decade 1/2. continued since then. what they teach groups like al-shabaab an boko haram. when we look back what happened in nice, using vehicles as a weapon of mass destruction to quote-unquote, mow down the infidel what they preach in their magazine, "inspire." no question what we're seeing in the early stage is something clearly out of the al key playbook. neil: why al qaeda, why not any other terrorist networks out there? >> al qaeda has been the one very vocal using that as part of their business strategy and they grow out their cell and uses vehicles as weapons of mass destruction. and al qaeda has been vocal communicating as we follow up on intel side we hear that more and

more coming out of that group. neil: this would not be the first time as was the case in brussels on this anniversary. there were multiple incidents at multiple locations here. >> right. neil: i don't want to connect thises with this westminster bridge incident what happened at parliament. is that part of the methodology, to create panic all over a city? >> it is. neil, part of this we need to look at, the uk, specifically london, created and really founding father of you will using cctv for surveilance. closed kirkut surveillance than any other city. you can bet that metro police and uk authorities are going back looking forsenically at the cameras to see if this individual that they have in custody or has been shot, if he has been doing due diligence on that site in the past and to what extent.

so where the vehicle would go, at what particular time of day, where they get their greatest return on investment with respect to injury and attention from the media. neil: do you draw any significance of dates or anniversary day, for example, odd coincidences? this of course just today after london was among the major cities having a crackdown on planes flying into and out of the area, largely muslim nations, banning electronics items on those flights, what have you, coming out or in. what do you make of that? >> i definitely agree with what michael balboni had said previously on your show is that this really -- there is clearly an indication that certain groups, certain organized groups will use anniversaries as a plan of their strategy so when they're looking to pick a certain date, it has to them a greater luster in the message they send.

with also respect to the manner in which they recruit on social media, saying look what we can do, look how well-organized we are. there is definitely a correlation between pick and using anniversary states and deciding with respect to strategy on future dates. neil: paul, you talked about the idea of a vehicle that would mow down individuals on a bridge in this case. we've seen this play out in france and other locations. we've seen in recent parades in the new york metropolitan area, they cordon off streets to prevent that sort of thing. >> right. neil: that is something we have to almost routinely worry about and consider, that substantially changes the way we gather as people, doesn't it? >> no, it certainly does. neil, if we look at this from a micro to a macroperspective, really question, when you look at nice forsenically you break that down, that was mistake on perimeter security. they should have blocked that off. it was a special event. here it is relatively impossible

to block off westminster bridge. like saying we'll block off thing froms neck bridge every day. we can't do that. radical islamists getting our attention to plan future attacks this will definitely change the trajectory of it, no question about that. neil: paul, great knowledge. i appreciate that very, very much. >> thank you, neil. neil: in the meantime we are looking at how this is affecting things here. so far pretty steady as it goes, markets nonplussed by all of this. maybe this is a sad commentary on our times we're use to it. we have business going on as usual in washington. gorsuch hearings continue and health care back and forth continues, including wheeling and dealing trying to getcongressman and women on board at the white house an capitol hill. much more after this.

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neil: all right. it's now two dead. coming from sky news now in london after what they're calling a terrorist incident in that city. connell mcshane has the very latest for us the connell? port tort -- reporter: that second death was reported by our colleagues at sky news. one woman was dead reported prior to that. in london a police officer stabbed, unknown shot. some pedestrians were injured, some quite seriously we're told. a hospital official used the word catastrophic to describe some of the injuries that were

seen. we're waiting in a few minutes a scotland yard press briefing we're hoping to learn information what officials put out in a short statement ahead of the briefing, calling it a terrorist incident until they know otherwise. that is how they're treating what happened about two hours ago in london. now you see the map on the right side of your screen. i will try to explain to you and piece together from various news reports coming into our newsroom what we think happened. the westminster bridge in the top right-hand corner of that map and the uk parliament on the bottom left. an suv is said to approached parliament from the south side of the thames river, so driving north about two hours ago. as that suv was doing so it is reported to have driven up on to the sidewalk on the west side of the bridge, crowded at that hour in the afternoon with pedestrians. as it did so obviously would have injured a number of people. those are the catastrophic injuries i was referring to a moment ago. when the suv getting to the north side of the bridge,

parliament would be to the driver's left. keeps driving for some time. there is security wall that protects parliament. drives up on the sidewalk again cord into reports and crashes into the fence near parliament. it is at that point the reports are this person gets out of the suv and takes off on foot. as he does so he gets to parliament square and pedestrian entrance and tries to entrance parliament ground. he may have been to do so for brief period of time. there is police officers on patrol. the police officers confront the suspect. the police officer ends up being stabbed. sub gently other officers responding, armed police officers shoot the suspect. all of this happening in this wider shot from sky news gives you a idea what the area lookings like. all this happening very close, very, 20, 30 yards from the actual parliament building where it all ended up. so that is where we are. some of the injuries that

occurred outside of the wider shot here. you see the bridge of the shot as well, on the bridge, some more serious injuries as the suv drove you were on to the bridge and literally ran people over. we new moments ago, one woman reported to be killed. sky news from their sources. adding to that second person confirmed dead. many questions about what happened here. we want 100% confirmation from officials at scotland yard this is only one person that was involved both in driving the suv, getting out on foot and later stabbing the police officer. we assume that some of those answers come in the next few minutes. we expect that news briefing from scotland yard to begin. neil: all right, thank you, my friend. it is a little after 4:30 in london. 4:42 p.m. their time. markets closed. down 3/4 of a percent. if they were panicking about this they had a funny way of showing it.

trading was never halted in london. nearby in germany, markets down half a percent. i only hasten to this, there was no widespread continental panic when this first hit. much the same in oountry as well. only raise that to make the point either we're getting used to this sort of thing or putting it in perspective or it looks like the casualty count is as low as it is and people are breathing a sigh of relief because of that there is so much we don't know, alleged person behind this we're told, a middle-aged male, seems to be limited to just that individual four sure. we do know that there is coordinated incident hoare. whether they go beyond the parliament building or westminster bridge nearby is anyone's guess and scotland authorities will identify that. "national review" editor rich lowery, a incident that will get greater scrutiny in this country. good to have you.

one of the things that come up this week president trump's latest travel ban has been opposed by maryland and a hawaiian legal officials say it is just as intrusive and goes too far. i will not play the politics back and forth but would it make a difference here regardless? >> well the case for the travel ban was being as careful as possible. it is very hard to stop low-level attacks of this nature. you know you can't ban people from owning cars for heavens sakes but the trump administration wants to prevent us getting to the point where europe is you no, where we've had some low level attacks in recent years but seems to be a steady drum beet coming out of britain, france and other countries -- drum beat. that is the future the for america the trump administration want to avoid and that is the rationale for this ban.

neil: i don't know we're contacting apples and oranges here or forcing issue. i want to interrupt myself with scotland yard authorities come meanting on this. >> at this stage i will confirm what we know has happened but i will not speculate. we receive a number of different report which included a person in the river, a car collisn withedestrians and a man armed with a knife. officers were already in the location as part of routine policing but immediately, additional officers were sent to the the scene and that included firearms officers. we're working closely with london ambulance service and london fire brigade. i would like to repeat our request for the public to avoid following areas. parliament square. whitehall, west minister bridge, lambert bridge, victoria street up to the junction with broadway and victoria embankment tube stations. this is to allow emergency services to deal with this on going incident. there is an ongoing

investigation being led by the counterterrorism command. we would ask anybody who has images or film of incident to pass those to police. we know there are a number of casualties including police officers but at this stage we can not confirm numbers or the nature of these injuries. our response will be ongoing for some time. it is important we gather all information and evidence. public safety is our priority and we're reviewing policing staffs throughout london and the capitol this afternoon. there will be additional officers on duty and he deployed across the capitol. i would like for the public to remain vigilant and if they see anything suspicious causes them concern and if they do to dial 999 immediately. the commissioner mackey is treated as significant witness as he was at the scene when the incident started. he is not injured it would be inappropriate for him to talk about the incident at this stage.

our thoughts and his thought are with all of those involved and responding to the incident this evening. i would stress if anyone has information about today's incident they're urged to call 0800-79-321. if the publics have any information or seeing anything suspicious to dial 999 at this stage. >> does the incident seem to be over. >> i will not speculate. we have officers respondg. i want to stress it is our priority to keep london safe. people going home this evening will see additional officers deployed and armed and unarmed across london to achieve their aim. >> shots fired? >> i have told you what information i have. we will keep continue to keep you updated as we find things out. i am not prepared to speculate. ladies and gentlemen, i will thank you very much for your time here. i would absolutely stress to the public our number one priority to work with our partners to keep london safe.

if people have information, dial the number, 080000-329, 781. dial 999 if they think it is an emergency. thank you very much. neil: heard short to the point briefing where british authorities is stand right now. they're not speculating that the london incident is he resolved, an incident that already claimed at least two lives. better than a dozen have been severely injured. we're not getting status on those individuals but connell mcshane and rich lowery still with us here. connell, on the latest development and the fact they're not closing the door on the possibility of others involved, what do you make of that? >> one question we wanted to see answered in the press briefing that was not answered whether or not there was one man in the suv that drove across westminster bridge as reports we had were telling us and that same man is the man who got out and walked

into the parliament complex on foot, is reported to have stabbed a police officer before being shot. it seems that from sky news and all the other reports that we have, that would be the most likely scenario, however, it was not, by this official confirmed 100% when he was asked, is this situation over? is there anybody else involved? really didn't give us any information on that. and, again we go back to our earlier reporting to say that sky news reported there were two deaths and a number of injuries and didn't confirm that either. that is the most important question, right, neil, is this over still? it happened a little over two hours ago. until we know it wasnly this one person i guess we can't confirm that 100% why the. neil: rich, we know the president is briefed. we know he is looking into this. he is no doubt looking at dates as the anniversary of the brussels attack that claimed 32 lives. we live in a crazy world, something he had said months ago. but echoed yet again.

much of the world is going to be looking how he responds. what do you think? >> it just plays into his world view which i think is the correct one it's a dangerous world out there and we need to be as careful and vigilant as possible. you know if there were more than one person involved here immediately that takes on a more sophisticated, sinister cast. even if there wasn't, anything happening near parliament in london is so symbolically important because this is the seat literally of western liberal democracy as we know it. this is where our system ultimately emanates from, and any attack anywhere in that vicinity just brings home the vast idealogical struggle here between totalitarianism and free peoples. neil: it will raise, rich, this back and forth we go through about, you know, governments listening in on phone calls,

trying to confirm what's chatter and what is just friendly conversation. it always comes up after incident like this. the administration of course has been on the receiving end of what it says, you know, spied on and what have you, that is going to be another drama to play out. >> that is just, there is always a balance to be struck there between vigilance against very real threat and between our system liberties. we've seen, you know, just in the newspapers this morning, neil, that the administration together with the brits, has banned certain devices from being carried on airplanes because of what intelligence about isis threat. apparently involving potential bombs and batteries of laptops. this is the world we're going to live in. we've been living in this world for a couple of decades now. and it will continue to and ultimately it depends on crushing isis overseas and ultimately discrediting this

ideology so you don't have lone nuts and others willing to commit mayhem and acts of murder on behalf of it. neil: guys, hang in there. not only is this anniversary of the brussels attack that claimed 32 lives, but spread out across brussels, a week to the day britain formally goes about this "brexit" issue and separating, according to theresa may, prime minister of britain, the formal ties between her majesty's kingdom and the european kingdom. whether that could have any role, that is delayed as a result of this is anyone's guess. we know a separate referendum being debated in the scottish parliament was put off because of this incident. the scots were no big fans of what the brits voted on. they want sort of a mulligan at this and a do-over. so they are not eager to be part of this. that is a separate issue i stress. maybe nothing of import here. i just mention it because it's a week from today.

the brit unfaced by all of this, down a little bit more than half a percent here. similar reads we got out of much of the rest of the region here including germany. wouldn't you know that scott shellady is there in london right now. what has you there in london, scott? >> well, we have an office here. as you mentioned with "brexit," that will mud did waters. we think there will be opportunity here that european union and great britain might have other issues and other countries doing that. that will create opportunity in the markets going forward and already has. we have a office we're getting ready for this summer because we have a lot of european elections to come. neil: do you think if the brits put off this formal severing, there are many levels to this, how would that be read using this, i'm not saying as an excuse but, to say we're a little preoccupied with

rrorists do something so big on the financial front? >> i've said for a little while now if you think donald trump winning the election in the u.s. will be, hysteria will abate anytime soon you should come over here. they're still debating the vote for "brexit." so, i would say this. neil: yeah. >> we're still, wouldn't probably change that much because they're still debating the whole issue and tone my blair jumped -- tony blair jumped in fray maybe if we had another vote. i don't think delaying of a vote wouldn't change anything. they're talking about whether they should have a whole another referendum again. it will be nationalists against globalists. that is shaping up worldwide. neil: we also talk about how important london is and the financial interests in europe and what have you. if this gets bigger than we thought or coordinated type of attack, way too soon for that, the brits i guess are quite properly looking at this as a potential terrorist incident and they're not going to alter that

until proven otherwise, it will change the environment, won't it? >> it will absolutely. this is gmt, this is greenwich meantime, this is zero, when it comes to the banking world and investment world i deal in every day. this is kind of the ground zero. this is where everything emanates from. this is a big deal here. the secret service here and police officers here are fantastic. they're second to none. everybody has all the confidence in the world. however they're very close to a lot of strife happening in europe and say africa. those type of things, this will not be the last time this happens here. who knows where it happens next. so they're constantly ready for something that might happen, number one, but number two they have to defend their force or their place in the world as the center of finance and banking. so, of this got a lot to lose here if they don't make sure things are safe. that is why they're very, very good what they do. neil: you're always cool and calm head in the storm, my friend. thanks very much for taking the time. >> all right.

neil: scott shellady. that referendum and the former breakup begins in ernest a week from today. so far no signs that is going to be delayed. nothing delayed in this country either, either on the gorsuch hearings or health care bill stated to be voted on tomorrow in the house. so business as unusual. but obviously amid a bit of a global trepidation. we're on that and much more after this. . . .

neil: all right, two dead, at

least reports of 10 patients now in a hospital in the london region. some with catastrophic injuries. adam shapiro with the latest on uk parliament and related area incident. what do you have, adam? >> a woman has been pulled from the river, apparently with serious inju as you have said. there are in their terms catastrophic injuries potential ly 1012 people that were hit from the car over westminster bridge and from we know from connell's reporting and eyewitnesses crashing into the wall by parliament estate and getting out of the car apparently an individual with a knife stabbing one of the security officers who in that shooting the assailant. there is an eyewitness and sky

news, our sister network, has been speaking to people and here what they heard and saw. [inaudible] [sirens] >> we saw people lying on the floor that were injured. [inaudible] >> again, neil, the police in london are treating this as a terrorist incident, but no words about the assailant just yet. there are descriptions of him but they are not yet confirmed by scotland.

neil: former investigator bill on what that means. what do you think, bill? >> it's too early to say. a lot of pieces are coming together. certainly on isis-related chat rooms and sites and twitter, they certainly would like to, i believe, take some type of credit for this, if you will. you know, it's something at this point that by the earmarks of what it happened, mowing down pedestrians and assault police officers with a knife, certainly plays into tsis and al-qaeda play book with regard to using low-end tactics to commit horrendous acts. we seen this happen elsewhere. we don't know whether that's the case, since you asked the question about why they could be chattered, they are trying to draw more attention to the fact that it could be related to their inspiration. neil: do we know -- i don't know whether the chatter whether high

alert status was raised in -- in the london area. i know it's at the highest level right now but whether that had been telegraphed to british citizens. >> you know, knowing that the metropolitan police has a very elaborate system certainly given history of terrorist incidents going way back but incident a few years ago with the two and two incidents is that they have process in place to activate quickly and highest sense of alert, much like in new york. both cities cooperate and major cities cooperate and learning learning from each other. i would imagine that's what they are doing right now, bringing rim security around the key areas inside of london, specially they reported whether this incident itself is finished with. the actual incident at parliament appears to be done so but since they're not confirming whether they have caught all of the individuals they believed involved and is still unfolding.

yes, they would bring those rings around various key areas inside of london to tighten up security. neil: i had a prior guest that was making mind to the fact that the assailant had mowed down very people very similar to what had been done in nice and some of the attacks where, you know, a lot of people down and that that was an an al-qaeda feature. is that true? >> we said this for a while, it's within both play books. if you look at what inspire put out, the al-qaeda magazine and isis propaganda machine, they both have, in fact, in many way similar images of using vehicles, using knives and we would believe that isis has

actually been more successful and be able to get people carried out in high-impact events using at-hand vehicles, knives, clubs, guns what have you to carry out horrific incident. neil: i do want to get your thoughts on whether it's a coincidental that we had the crack down on electronics on planes coming out of the middle east region including at least eight nations with heavy muslim populations, whether this might be tit for tat for that, i'm making that leap, i'm just using the date and the time and wondering what you think of that? >> neil, we get down into really uncovering what drives people to commit acts on a particular day, it's sometimes a really issues and whether that happens to be part of it. i don't believe that that by itself would be something that may have resulted directly in this or had somebody, you know,

design something around this, maybe that could have been, you know, a spark behind it but we will find when we go into and post analysis that there's something that drives, whether it's the people that committed horrendous act in california, whether it's the orlando shooter, there's something at a particular day on a particular time that invokes them to do that. could this be something blind it? i believe that it was in the forefront of someone or there could have been other factors around this which were not yet aware as to why they chose today and today around parliament to do do this. neil: thank you, my friend. former investigator, incredibly the stuff stuff. i do want to bring you up to

date on markets including in britain where the ftse was down about half a percent plus, maybe 3 quarters of a percent. our own markets subdued although things are picking up here. that might have more to do with if the healthcare goes caboe tomorrow. markets in europe and in the united states are not free falling as would normally be the case in senator -- terror incidents. as i indicated here, a case that we are getting used to it or we are relieved that it's over there and it's not over here and the toll seems to be relatively might beer compared to others that we have seen. so who knows, what do you think? >> i don't want to make light of people lost their lives here,

this is a very serious situation but markets are rational when it comes to these things and when you sort of input the data of what happened during 9/11 which you covered and i covered. i was at the wall street journal at the time. when you put the economic data, the damage was pretty high for the economy. markets closed, businesses disrupted, new york city essentially at a standstill. i was living there. a huge economic impact. so the markets digest to that as such. the lone wolf things, when i talk to fbi agents and people that are in law enforcement, they kind of akuwait that to isis and the markets digest that and say, okay, it's a lone wolf. the impact on the economy is tepit. the other things that the markets say, our law enforcement is pretty good. for every one of these that gets through many, many more don't

get through. neil: that's right. that might not have been tale graphed to the british people or they didn't put out more warnings. charlie: some of the animal that is do this are inspired by isis. they are not necessarily directed. it's hard to figure out and it's a really scary situation. law enforcement by in large does a good job. when you talk to people in the markets what they are focused on is the vote tomorrow if it comes to a vote. neil: we are hearing that merk meadows saying that after a white house meeting that there's still not enough votes to pass

the healthcare bill. he went onto say that vice president pence discussed a couple of options to win freedom caucus votes but he didn't spell out what those options are. look, there are 20 plus votes. charlie: freedom caucus, i've been reporting this, the freedom caucus is telling people on the hill and associates here in wall street because wall street is looking at trade-off that as of now 30 solid no votes. i think they only need 22 to kill it. so you pick your poise. and the markets will -- if they get through this, even if they don't get through it, markets respond positively, if they don't, if they -- neil: markets respond positively through what? charlie: if it gets through. neil: isn't the consensus that it doesn't?

charlie: here is where it gets dicey if you're word about markets and stock prices. we are watching go down flames on a vote because he's not sure one way or anot that could be a real jolt to the markets. here is one thing i'm going to tell you, neil, that i don't understand, republicans say that they have to do health care before they do taxes and everything else. if that is really the case, which i don't know if i buy, i would have done taxes and regulatory reform, if that is the case and tax reform is put off indefinitely, i don't know, but this market is way overbought. neil: it's going to be late and less, right? charlie: right. neil: hints that will be pushed forward. i cannot imagine the markets would like that or most individuals looking for a tax cut would like that. let's say this doesn't pass

tomorrow, what do you think the markets do? charlie: here is the thing. we need guidance. this is why i've always said the markets are dicey. we need guidance from the white house. can they do tax reform without doing health care, can they? neil: i talked to chairman brady and he said, no, we are going to focus on this and get this right. charlie: why do they need to do? neil: i don't know. this is the first of the reconciliation items on tax cut would be treated as a connell: -- reconciliation where you need a simple majority. charlie: they can't do tax reform until they do this. neil: they're right about that. charlie: that's true, yeah. neil: no doubt about it. far easier to live with tax cut. charlie: if they can't do that until they do this, then this healthcare thing --

neil: they can't do this -- charlie: neil, i will say this, markets at 21,000, we are at 26. a thousand point decline in this market will be a great headline. it's a blood bath but guess what, it's not that big a deal in terms of where it's at. you can see big swings of this thing. it's possible. i don't want to say it's going to happen because it can go the other way. if donald trump turn it is screws and gets these guys to approve this thing, you can have the opposite because the market is set up for failure and people start buying on the expectation it's going to pass and that he won. neil: we are getting order from the house chairman nunes, i see in evidence that barack obama was tapping donald trump's phones but he is sort of clarifying that it's possible that some trump communications were swept up in incidental surveillance involving his campaign.

you're sort of piled into it. charlie: there's three ways of donald trump if he was ever tapped if got tapped, fisa warrant, number two, a title warrant by the fbi and justice department and number three, somehow he gets on a phone call from someone that's swept up. neil: i'm listening in on your phone calls and one is with donald trump, donald trump has been tapped in. chal charles he's not tapped. he's part of that. he's part of that communication. neil: you think he can come back and say, you guys were all laughing at me, everyone dismissing and that he's crazy. >> they were looking -- the fbi was looking at probable cause to look at one of his people who spoke with him and now --

neil: when i hear nunes who was unequivocal say that there was no evidence, now saying, wait, a minute. i don't know. i'm sorry, ralph, what do we have. updating on this incident in london. listen. >> i would like to repeat our request for the public to areas, parliament, bridge, victoria streetnd victoa off to embankment to train station to allow emergency services to deal with on going incident. there is an ongoing investigation and we would ask anybody who has images of the incident to go to the police. we know that there were a number of tragedies including officers. it's important that we get all

possible information. public safety is our priority and we are reviewing. there will be additional officers on duty. i wouldi would like the public to remain and let us know if they see anything suspicious. the commissioner is being treated. neil: all right. two dead and we have another injured suspect. british authorities are being cautious about this, treating it as a terrorist incident until proven otherwise. stick with us. we are back into this

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. neil: all right, we are getting some updates and talks about coordinated attacks and whether it was one individual behind the attacks that killed two and injured at least a dozen. adam shapiro is monitoring all of this, what are you hearing? >> so far there's just the one individual who is believed to drive the vehicle, they treated ten people on the bridge.

we do know that two are confirmed dead. one woman was recently pulled with serious injuries. the people who have been transported to the hospital are some of them to have suffered catastrophic injuries. the individual driving the vehicle apparently got out and rushed the security officers at the parliament area and then was attempted to stab a police officer and was shot in the process of doing it. they have not identified any other individuals or suspects as of yet, but they have asked recently in the press conference anybody who may have witnessed them to supply them with information and any video recording they might have taken with their cell phones. neil. neil: thank you very much. it's been largely business as usual focusing on health care, obviously keeping an eye on gorsuch hearings going on. blake berman, what are you hearing now? blake: business as usual in the sense that the schedule is on schedule, neil, and the president beinbried ta white house with everything

that's going on in london. that briefing came in earlier today from national security adviser hr macmaster. back here at the white house, the president was doing a healthcare event seated down with folks here at the white house when he made some very brief comments as it relates to london. here is the president from earlier this afternoon. >> we are getting an update on london. some big news having to do with london. it just happened. blake: meanwhile, neil, the full court press here as it relates to the healthcare bill which will get an up or down vote tomorrow on the house floor is in full swing. one deputy here at the white house earlier today saying that they are bringing everything to the closer at this point, that being president trump. there was member -- republican members here at the white house who are on the fence that were meeting with the president and

the whole house freedom caucus groups, some members had meetings here at the white house as well and that is the group to keep the eye on here as they might be some 20 votes short, at least as it stands, possibly even more than that heading into tomorrow on the house floor, neil. neil: have they talked about what they're going to do or how this is going to be presented if it fails? the consensus seems to be at least if you buy the freedom caucus numbers that it's 20 plus and you need 22 or it's put and there might have been as many as 30. obviously they have to prepare for the unthinkable. what are they doing? blake: the president was asked about it, what might happened next, what happens tomorrow, quote, we will see what happens. that is far short of a guaranty, neil, now as we get in hour by hour closer to tomorrow's vote it's a we will see what happens from the president. as far as house freedom caucus meeting went, we are also led to

believe that they are still very much open to negotiation here to try to get this over the finish line. keep in mind, they talk about this president being the closer, the deal-maker. they will need it none more so than the next few years for tomorrow's vote. neil: blake berman reporting. >> either going into a meeting or coming out. neil: congressman, can you hear us? >> i can. neil: where do you stand on this? >> on the healthcare i'm at no right at the present moment. neil: what would make you a yes, the president i guess wants to know? >> yeah, we talked earlier today. 100% repeal. everyone inside of congress including the president ran on 100% repeal and replacement. this bill leaves in the architecture of the affordable care act with the exceptions, with the refundable tax credits and its government control of health care.

it does not expand the market for the free market until 2020, until the third bucket gets done and i've been here for four years. that would be probably be into the next congress. it's imperative that we do it this congress. neil: you know one of the things, sir, that the president raised, look, guys, we are in serious problems here if this doesn't happen, we could lose the mid-terms, lose control of the house and senate. was it deemed a threat to you or what? >> no, i didn't see that as a threat at all. that's one way of looking at this. my opinion is if we don't get this right, i think we are more in jeopardy of losing control of the house, the senate and, you know, who knows about the executive branch. nobody here wants health care not to be fixed. we just want to make sure we do it right. we ran on repeal and replacement. this, again, is not repealing it.

i think we can do better. my recommendation is we put a pause and get the things that will make everybody get to yes on this. one thing we introduced was a bill that would hold insurance companies harmless to the mandates of the affordable care act, the essential health benefits so that they could draft right now, neil, and start marketing insurance plans that would bypass the restrictions of the affordable care act. that would open up the market, that would allow my family and myself to buy insurance outside of the exchanges or the mandates or the requirements of the affordable care act. until that happens, our insurance premiums are going to go up. this is one of the things that that would give me to almost a yes on this, if we could get to that point. neil: do you think or is it just extra dramatic that this would be an embarrassing failing and that was kind of sean spicer's message for the new president and loses on this because everything would get sort of

slammed back including the tax cuts stuff and all the rest, do you agree with that? >> no, not at all. i would rather personally -- personally i would have an embarrassing moment up front that i could fix something that's long-term for generations to come because this is really, you know, for the prosperity of this nation. my fear is it's going to stay in entitlement and grow into a bigger entitlement that the american people are going to be stuck with for the rest of their lives and we can't afford the mandatory spending curves around now. we cannot sustain them as a nation. as you know, we are heading to do exactly what puerto rico and greece is doing and we have to be more diligent at what we do here. neil: do you think that the president would make life difficult for you if you ended up doing as you say? >> no, not at all. i just don't see that. neil: okay. >> that has no baring on my decision.

i ran on a principle, in fact, i left a very comfortable lifestyle. i didn't do this for a job, this is for a cause and the cause was partly to repeal and replace the affordable care act and i'm pretty hell bin on delivering on that promise. neil: certainly sounds like that, sir. thank you very much, good seeing you. >> appreciate it. neil: all right, we are waiting white house briefing on this. also get a take on how the administration is responding or weighing on potential options here in this country to be for security or to see what's happening in london and efforts we could make sheer to make sure that doesn't happen here. stick with us

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confirmed dead now. now they're talking about, better than a dozen injured, some seriously. there could be two suspects looked at here. we'll keep you updated on that. also here in this country, a bit of an about-face. this is an intryinging development from the house intel committee chair devin nunes who little more than 48 hours ago saying unequivocally there was no evidence to support donald trump's claims that his phones were being tapped by the prior administration. now saying this is congressman nunes, chairman nunes with the intel committee, there is incidental collection of communication by the president. in other words, this theory and now supported by a number of others it is possible that conversations involving president trump when he was president-elect and even prior to that, could have been included in a round-up of those who dealt with the trump administration, the trump campaign team and that conversations involving him could have been included in that bunch.

justifying, what donald trump had been saying. all right. so we'll keep an eye on that. then there is that health care law that is in serious doubt right now. mark meadows of the freedom caucus saying there is a good possibility an overwhelming majority of his 30 plus members will vote against this. 22 would kill it. it wouldn't even go to the senate from there. right now the consensus seems to be up to 30 are inclined to vote against it. anything can happen. tomorrow this thing is on. no indications that that vote will be delayed but anything can happen, who knows that senate republican policy committee chair, doctor, by the way, senator john barrasso. good to have you. >> thanks for having me, neil. neil: i know you're watching this from the senate side. it looks dicey in the house. say this goes down to defeat, senator, then what? >> i don't expect that to happen. neil: really.

>> we're having a senate luncheon right now talking about what we do next week when it comes to the senate, how we can strengthen to get rid of this sigh compel we're suck in of increasing premiums under obamacare and fewer and fewer choices. people are very concerned about the high cost of insurance. we're focused on getting that down. >> you know, could you be right. i talk about these numbers to people on the freedom caucus who are seriously weighing voting against it in overwhelming majority. you're right, something could change if i'm missing something, they're missing something. part of me thinks, are you factoring possibility democrats vote for this to offset that. >> i would welcome actually bipartisan participation in all of this. you know president obama came to capitol hill before he left office told democrats not to be involved in the discussions f we want to fix health care for all of america, we discuss the ways to do it in better way.

we need 60 votes to do the full types of things that i think are important to fully reform health care. and as a doctor i have ideas that i think will really make a difference but i'm looking forward to the house passing this, coming to the senate. we said we'll do this step by step to improve freedom and flexibility and choice. neil: i'm sorry, senator, if it is stymied in the house for whatever reason, is there any manuever where you folks in the senate and in the house can just shelf this headlight care thing because it's a bigger issue and battle than you thought, and go right to the tax cut stuff? >> i think that would be a major mistake to do that. because then you're stuck with and left with obamacare, a system that we know is collapsing. in the whole state of wyoming people have only one choice on the exchange and premiums continue to go up. in 1000 counties across the country people are down to one choice. premiums have gone up on average 25% last year.

so what we need to do is eliminate the mandates, eliminate the penalties, eliminate the taxes and getting more flexibility and freedom back to the states. this is a way to reform medicaid. i have much more confidence in the states to do that. and truly giving people more choice. if the states make the decisions about what kind of insurance is available for sale in those states, that is going to bring about the kind of competition that you would want and lower the cost of the premiums. neil: senator, want to still have you here, we're hearing that the administration is expected to pounce at the briefing with sean spicer on the house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes saying he learned of incidental check schunk of communications -- clerk shun of communications of the trump transition team during legal surveillance operations. in other words, part the calls they were monitoring involved then president-elect, if not prior when he was running for president. what do you make of that?

>> well i, depends on what comes out of it. i have seen what is reported, this kind of reversal in the last 48 hours. all of us have concerns those sorts of looking into someone and wiretapping. all of the component related to it. and i think we just need to get the whole story. neil: all right. senator, thank you very much for take the time. very good seeing you again. >> thanks, neil. neil: i want to go back to sky news, some new images are coming to us on the possible perpetrator, a single perpetrator. there is talk of maybe others involved. surrounded by officers, a middle-aged male. that is all we do know. we have the uk correspondent for "politico," he saw this all go down shortly a little while ago, almost two hours ago right now. tom, what can you tell us? >> working at my desk in

parliament over looking parliament square western of here when i heard a loud bang. sounded like a car crash. so i went to the window, suddenly you could see very clearly that it wasn't a car crash, it was not only a crowd crash. there were crowds and screaming an panic. they started to run past the parliamentary gate away from the attacker. then you saw the attacker run into the gate and begin stabbing, what looked like he began stabbing at the policeman. his arms were certainly thrashing around. and then, after that he ran forward further into the inside where he was confronted by armed policeman who shouted some kind of warning. then he didn't heed that warning. so they shot him two or three times. neil: so, he was shot a number of times. then what happened?

>> then, so he -- i haven't seen him move since he was shot. we were kept in our, in our room for a couple of hours. we've only just been evacuated from, from our room. so he didn't move. the police officer unfortunately, i haven't seen him move at all. there is instant sort of panic as police officers began running around shoutings for an ambulance. ten minutes later an air ambulance landed on the parliament square opposite the winston churchill statue, to provide medical assistance. but i, i can't honestly say whether that came too late or not. neil: what is our reaction, people around you, you seem very calm after this? god bless you, but what was the reaction of people around you? >> it was concern and anxiety but it was very odd because you know, as journalists we often look out the window at protests going on.

>> right. >> or you know, marchs and that kind of thing. so we're often hearing loud bangs, flares, all sorts of stuff. this is very odd to witness. almost sort of out of body experience. didn't quite feel like you were there but you were obviously there is this carnage happening right outside of your work window. neil: it looks like much of the city is in lockdown, whether we're talking about west westmir bridge or parliament? how is it people getting around the general area? >> i'm actually currently in westminster hall in parliament which is where we're being kept by the police. neil: i see. >> so we haven't been let out yet. all i know the immediate area around here is in lockdown still. westminster is one small part of london as you know. much of the city will be moving as usual. neil: all right.

>> but this is, you know, this is a severe lockdown right at the center. neil: tom, i admire your remarkable calm. be safe. be well. thank you again. all right, i want to go to sean spicer at white house. the white house briefing is on. >> stopped by the women and health care panel hosted by the centers for medicare and that event was attended by the vice president and health and human services secretary dr. tom price. health care professionals seen the challenges of implementing obamacare first-hand. they are valuable asset to his team as we consider to enact policies like the american health care act that will make health care more accessible and affordable for everyone. the women at the roundtable represent physicians nurses pharmacists, ad in instraighttores who make sure the people around the country receive preventative life saving care they need every day. doctors who attend to the

patients in the family practices, emergency rooms and clinics and those who support them on the administratetive technical sides are one of our country's most treasured resources. with the passage of the american health care act and rest of the president's health care reform agenda, everyone regardless of their financial situation will take full advantage of this resource. at last count 40 major associations have expressed their support for the american health care act. with several of them including the u.s. chamber, the national federation of independent businesses, just today the national taxpayers union calling it a key vote. following his appearance at panel, the president and his legislative affairs team hosted several members of the house of representatives for another meeting on the american health care act of the president acknowledged as he has before that the ahca is only one step in the the larger process of fixing the broken health care system created by obamacare but it is an essential first step. undoing and fixing all of the misguided policies will choir a

holistic, multistep process and that's why the president and his team are fully committed to maintaining an open line of communication with capitol hill leadershipoughout is entire process. throughout the weeks since the ach was first introduced they have been meeting with republican members from across the political spectrum. many of whom we seen move from no to yes as they learn more about the legislation and amendments that have been adopted. continued coordination between the administration and legislative actions will insure that our new health care system is effective and efficient. this afternoon the president will meet the congressional black caucus's executive committee of the president brought in and will continue to heart from representatives of you will interests that he notes he is president of all americans. diversity makes the nation strong and it means we don't necessarily agree on every policy item but we continue to have a dialogue towards productive policies that help america move forward. the president looks forward to

the discussing the cbc policy priorities and finding ways they can work together where the priorities align. this evening the president will have dinner with secretary of state rex tillerson. today at the state department secretary tiller letter son hosted global coalition looking to he defeat isis, for the first meetings of coalition of 68 members since 2014. this follows up on the defense ministerial that secretary mattis hosted last month in brussels. the coalition is united with the fight against isis an continues to accelerate efforts to defeat isis in remaining areas they hold in iraq and syria and maximizing branches and affiliates and networks. this is part of our whole of government approach to defeating isis of the trump administration will use all the tools of national power in coordination with our international powers to cut off isis's funding, expand intelligence sharing and deny isis geographic and online safe havens. also today over on the hill judge gorsuch in his second day

of questioning by the senate judiciary committee. during his nearly 12 hours of questioning yesterday, now at least i know how someones feels, the judge continued to prove himself and enormously qualified jurist, that americans will all be proud to see on the supreme court. it is not surprising that senate democrats are failing to gain traction for any of their potshots and opposition to judge gorsuch. there is simply not enough he politicizing in the senate democrats can do to hide the fact that judge gorsuch a immensely qualified and thoughtful jurist with a lifelong dedication to our constitution. a few administrative notes before i take your questions. last night we formally announced the president will travel to brussels for the may twenty fifth meeting of nato heads of state in government. during the meeting the president looks to reforming our commitment to nato and discussing critical issues to the alliance, especially allied responsibility sharing and nato's role against the fight against terrorism.

the president will host nato secretary-general stolen berg at the white house on may 12th. the president occurred major disaster exists in the the statf wyoming and ordered federal assistance for state, tribal al, recover i efforts in areas effect by seve wint are orm and straight lines wind that occurred in february. the president will deliver the commencement address at liberty university on may 13th. the president is proud to call liberty's president, jerry falwell and his wife becky and entire family and friends. looks to address the graduating class on this momentous occasion. moments ago many of you may have seen that the chairman of house intelligence committee devin nunes gave remarks on surveillance on individuals associated with president. let me quote him directly. i recently owe confirmed on numerous occasions the intelligence community incidentally collected information about u.s. citizens

involved in the trump transition. details about u.s. persons associated with the incoming administration details with little or no apparent foreign intelligence value were widely disseminated in the intelligence community reporting. and third, i have confirmed that additional names of trump transition team members were unmasked, and forth and finally i want to be clear, none of this surveillance was related to russia or the investigation of russian activities or the trump team. my understanding is that the chairman nunes is coming to the white house lighter to brief the president on this development. we will have a readout for that meeting once it occurs. with that i would be glad to take your questions. mara. >> two questions, one on nunes and health care. is your understanding that this, none of these unmasked names were leaked? >> i literally read the statement or heard the statement, came out and -- it was wrapping up as we were beginning this. >> okay. today in the president said keep your doctor, keep your plan,

didn't work out that way. you didn't get your doctor, you didn't the get your plan. this one of the reasons we have to repeal obamacare. is the president assuring people who currently like their plan under their doctor or health care plan under the american health care act can keep their plan? >> that is the hope. not to be cute. last time they were promised something that couldn't turn out. i can't promise something that doctor stays in a plan or stays there. that is a bit different. we're letting market forces come into play here. competition. doctors can change what insurances they take. plans can come in and out of markets. what we can be assured of is couple things. currently unobamacare premiums are set to continue to skyrocket. we've seen an average of 25%. we noted in arizona they have gone up 116%. i think there is no question the additional competition and amendments that have been brought into this discussion will help lower the trajectory of that. number one.

number two, i think they will see greater choice. so i think those are the things that we're willing to talk about being part of this plan because you can't, where they erred last time made promises they couldn't keep. i this one of the problems that they did, that they tried to suppress market forces and competition. instead of lowering costs, increases choice which is what they sought to do it did the opposite. that is where this is headed. i think that is important. john? >> thanks a lot, sean. ahca, mark meadows appears to be firm no in his opposition to the replacement bill said that 25 members of the freedom caucus are opposed to this replacement bill. do you dispute those numbers? >> i'm not going to -- i know we saw lou barletta was hard no came out said he is yes. steve king had been a no. he is a yes.

member by member we're seeing tremendous support flow in our direction and count keeps getting stronger for us. so i'm not going to start to get into yes or nos but i would just say that you know, former congressman mulvaney, director of omb mulvaney who was a leader in that caucus has been a very strong advocate of this policy. as you know he has been up on the hill talking to his former colleagues, assuring them of the effort and why the process has to go the way it does. but i'm optimistic in the sense what we're seeing and trajectory this is going, number of votes flowing our way, not the other way. >> on come nation hearing on judge gorsuch i have not seen any democrat come out in support of any support of judge gorsuch. do you anticipate democratic support on this nomination. >> i hope and believe some several spoken very postively. he has been extremely impressive

throughout the confirmation process. you her members, both in the senate, on the committee and then a lot of outside voices comment on how well he has done, how qualified he is. it is tough, it is tough for anybody to say that he is not, tremendously qualified for this position. alexis. >> sean, related to congressman nunes, can you explain why the white house agreed to meet with him at all about what his findings are? the reason i ask that is because the minute the director comey said there was an official investigation, it might appear if the white house is interfering with the investigation and congressman is presenting his information, not to the white house, but to the fbi. so why is anyone here at white house agreeing to meet with him about this findings? >> we'll have a readout after the meeting. he did this press conference. he made the announcement that he was coming up to see the president to share these findings. i don't know who else he shared

them with. i don't know, to your question i don't know if he briefed anyone else on it in terms of intelligence community or admiral rogers or comey or something they shared with him. after the meeting hopefully, depending on the classification level we may be able to share more on that with you. >> i just ask, is the president concerned at all that there will be an appearance immediately today, that he has interfered with an ongoing investigation, whether congressional investigation or the executive branch investigations by meeting privately with a congressman who says he has -- >> let me get this straight. number one, we asked, two weeks ago we said this was appropriate venue. number two, you guys have asked us over and over again why aren't we meeting with certain individuals. the chairman of the committee, one of the two committees we asked to look into this wants to share his findings. i don't, or what he knows. i think that is exactly how we talked about this working. but i would leave it to congressman nunes to come up and to brief and share his thoughts.

i don't know what his plan is. he sat, he briefed the media before he briefed us. he went down and talked about what he found. so you know it is interesting i don't i didn't see any complaint when you guys he held a press conference umteenth time talking about what his findings. no complaints from the media what he found with you guys. when he wants to come up tell us this is where the investigation stand here is where i unloaded or excuse me learned there seems to be a little bit of interesting double standard on that. >> because the president said that he had additional information that he believed the white house or he or his representatives would possess related to this investigation, what congressman nunes has is not related -- >> you're asking me questions he has not briefed us. he has not briefed president. you guys, noted he spoke to the media before he shared this with us. so you know i would ask colleagues of yours that asked questions more than, collectively the media has more

of an opportunity to ask questions, to hear than what he has to say than we do at this point. once we have more to understand what he said, to the extent we had i'm sure we're glad we share it with you. the media has more information than we do i at this point. john? >> sean, staying on health care didn't we know there was incidental collection of intelligence involving some members of the transition team? i point to -- >> not the way you guys ask the questions. you questioned us every day what we knew. and now you're coming back to me, didn't we already know this? somewhat of an effective job. >> flynn was monitored and his conversations with kislyak. >> i guess my point john, i don't know. he made a statement. went down to the press. until we get previous briefed on this, esident gets brief i dot know whahe knows and so to ask, until that occurs and until we have the ability to share some of that in an unclassified nature, i don't want to get ahead of it. i don't know what he knows. that is why apparently he is

coming up to share his findings with the president. at least that is what he said. again, let's wait and see how this unfolds. >> and on the american health care act, mark meadows says they don't have the votes. they need to start over, do a new bill. sounds like you're in pretty serious trouble. >> that is one members position. >> represents a large -- >> i named a few members part of that caucus that came on board. i think, look, every day you see more and more of those members from that caucus and throughout the entire conference express their support for the bill. the president was up yesterday for a while talking to them. we've had members in the vice president actively engaged, mick mulvaney, prince priebus and rook moore, lead the ledge i've team. they have beened intoing the hill. on the phone, having meetings with them. there has been a series of members all day. i think trajectory is going very going well.

>> you could change the bill removing regulatory framework and tax credits and all that, you will get massive buy-in from conservatives. >> there are certain constraint we have the in reconciliation process. for those who are steeped in the arcane rules of the senate, there is thing called the byrd rule. it does not allow policy to be created. it has to do with the budgetary nature of that vehicle to get sustainable at 50 votes. right now there are certain things i think a lot of people would like but that will not potentially get ruled in order by the senate parliamentarian. i understand what people want but we have created a vehicle to get this done. this is the only way that we will repeal and replace obamacare. and again, i think people have to recognize that there is a three-step process to doing this. this is exactly how the democrats enacted it. this is exactly how we will unwinded it and implement a much better sim. plain and simple. margaret. >> sean, i know you can't get

ahead of nunes, what he said was incidental, legal surveillance using fisa warrant. >> i don't believe he said fisa warrant? >> he did. >> he did? okay. >> that is why i'm asking the question, does the trump administration have the presumption that foreign leaders, foreign nationals will not be surveiled when they are in contact with -- >> look, again as i said i don't want to start talking or guessing what he may say or may not say or explain this i think that we will have more information or i hope to have more information once the president is briefed and find out what else has gone on in terms of additional information on this. but i do think it is a starting revelation, there is a lot of questions that need to get asked. i think it is interesting all of the questions are in presumptive negative towards us as opposed why was this taking place? why were people surveiled? ostensibly, that were involved in the campaign. no, no. the question --

>> presumption, was your presumption that foreign nationals -- >> it is no the a presumption. right, respectfully i'm not one with the presumption, you guys are. i didn't come up here presuming anything. i started my comment off -- >> i presume foreign nationallals are being monitored by u.s. intelligence when they're talking to anyone? >> then the question, then i think there is a series of questions which is, how many times was an individual picked up? why were they picked up? were they unmasked? a lot of this picked up during fisa warrant, american citizens prohibited by law being unmasked, quote having their name put out there. why would someone's name put out there? what ways were they described? there are a lot of questions that need to get asked. those are relevant issues need to get asked. how many times was one individual followed? did their name get unmasked and why? there is a lot of things that need to get followed up on. we're not in that position yet as i said multiple times. the chairman will come up here, brief the president. i don't know to what, extent and what he detail.

hopefully as we move forward we will have more. >> this is what you have been, you said there is more information to come. again we are not in the business of trying to get to this point yet. we say this is what they have. we've asked that the investigation be conducted and that people gather up information. what they have and to what extent we will know soon. april. >> sean, i have a series of questions about the topic. >> should there be a push to make sure that there is an indictment of the police officer? >> that's a department of justice question.