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financial services, particularly banks. we think the interest rates will rise, the economy. to your point about earnings, earnings are stronger. fiscal reform and we'll see gdp growing and inflation expectations rise, also selectively in health care. liz: we've got to run. we close the session lows, dave and melissa. melissa: hold onto your hats after nearly 200-point rally, the dow is down 4 2. the nasdaq and the s&p dropping as well. i'm melissa francis. david: a drop doesn't look good. i'm david asman, this is "after the bell". more on the big sell-off. here's what else we have in this hour. heinous actions cannot be tolerated, president trump condemning serious chemical attack that killed dozens of civilians saying attitude toward dealing with syria and assad has now changed. how will america respond? also house republicans trying to find common ground and
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health care plan, the vice president's work with conservatives yielding a major new development or so it seemed, a key opposition group club for growth appeared to be on board last night, now singing a different tune. talking to a member of the group and senate republicans on the bring of taking historic measures to send neil gorsuch to the supreme court. you're looking at the live debate, utah senator orrin hatch, seen a lot of these, longest serving republican in the senate, he's joining us this hour. melissa: spectacular late afternoon sell-off. the dow down 40 points, up nearly 200 points this morning in reaction to the federal reserve minutes from the meeting last month. adam shapiro was at the fed when the news came down. adam, what is the release of the markets like that? >> reporter: when they begin to sell the assets from the $4.5
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trillion worth of assets on the balance sheet. they're going to stop using the principal from mortgage-backed securities and treasuries, using that to buy more treasuries and more mortgage-backed securities. that day is coming to an end, not yet. here are the key quotes that upset investors in the market. first the members of the federal reserve actually judge that changed the committee's reinvestment policy would likely be appropriate later this year, look for this to start or be announced as they prepare us for it towards the fall or even the winter. second, they said many participants emphasize reducing the size of the balance sheet should be conducted in a passive and predictable manner. they like to tell you way out what they like to do, and finally all participants agree regarding reinvestment policy should be communicated to the public well in advance of the actual changes. the bottom line, they're going to take steps in about six months to end the era of easy money, back to you.
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melissa: there you go, adam, thank you. news from the fed overshadowing a stellar jobs respect. joining me jonathan hoenig of capitalist pig hedge fund, both fox news contributors. jonathan, taking the stuff in the jobs report, construction, manufacturing, mining growth, all parts of good producing jobs that were added. this was good stuff. >> yeah, great report, but ironically as you pointed out the markets sold off primarily because of the comments from the federal reserve. not just about the balance sheet but also several members of the fed believe that stock prices were too high. that put a little damper on the rally today, but when you look at tech juggernauts like amazon, apple, facebook, ebay. all at 52-week highs, the rally narrowed, it is beyond in terms of the bull market and stock. melissa: gary, in a lot of ways
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this is what we want the consolidation and the exuberance, to see the good data, small business led the private sector job gains. that shows the pent-up enthusiasm, doesn't it? >> yeah, i did not see anything wrong with the numbers coming out on jobs. in fact, the intangible i care about most, real strong at this point in time. look, if people followed me for years know, i really do believe a huge portion of what the market's done since 09 is central bank, massive intervention, you saw what happened today. doesn't mean it's the end of the world. tightening monetary policy what i consider overvaluation and markets could be time to get medium term correction. one day doesn't mean a lot, certainly right in here, that was ugly action today. david: it was ugly, despite the
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stock dive, the s&p 500 is expected to post the strongest quarterly earnings. reserves are expected to go up 7.1% higher as well. so gary, this does seem in part to justify that stock rise, that the feds seem to be diminished somewhat. >> well, i sure hope so. in time we'll find out. let me tell you what the most important part what they're saying on earnings growth for the quarter. it's been going up throughout the whole quarter. when we started in january, expecting 3, 4%, throughout the quarter, the guidance was much, much better. across the spectrum industry including the energy industry where prices are much higher than i were a year before. so if this continues, earnings continue to be strong, that takes the paydown, gets the e up longer term. david: it's not just a bunch of
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hot air sending the market up, there are factors behind it, like earnings? >> i agree, david. the earnings are better, the stock is better, and the stock market reflected. that has the stock market anticipated that? you look at rally and you can see starting slowly to narrow. only 50% of stocks above the 50-day moving average, down from 70 toward the beginning of the year. the market doing well. the news is good. what's going to be next? is it tax reform? is it increased regulatory reform? that's what the market is looking for. david: we don't know, we know earnings are going to be spectacular, jonathan and gary, thank you very much. melissa? melissa: giving health care another go. republicans trying to come up with a plan to revive the gop's replacement bill for obamacare. vice president pence and top white house officials meeting with house republicans last night, and lawmakers remain divided how to proceed. fox news' peter doocy standing by on capitol hill with the latest. >> reporter: melissa, the only
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thing that could keep house republicans from going on two week easter recess would be the prospect of voting on a revamped obamacare replacement package. it does not sound like there is anything imminent to mark up let alone to vote for. the vice president mike pence has been in and out of the capitol including last night to bring moderate republicans and conservative republicans together. he left last night without a deal, and is not scheduled to come back before the recess starts. a few hours ago, paul ryan tried to keep hope alive the gop can put its thumbprint on health care. >> i'm hopeful that there's -- i don't want to put a to specific set of odds on it or an artificial time line, what's happening is what needs to happen is members need to talk with each other why they think the way they think so they can get a better understanding of each other's concerns, that's how you bridge gaps. >> reporter: so far president
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trump has not abandoned his effort to court republicans, switching over and trying to woo democrats but the chair of the democratic caucus says they could be convinced if a major part of the gop reform effort goes away. >> one thing you have to do is stop talking about repeal and replace. and talk about improving the law as it is right now, and that includes working with democrats on the ideas of improving the risk for insurance companies in states that are struggling in terms of the exchanges. >> reporter: if those exchanges keep struggling the way president trump has said he sees things playing out. in a few months or years, democrats will come to him and ask him to fix the health care system. melissa? melissa: here we go, peter, thank you. david: standing in the way of compromise, conservatives and moderate republicans are still at impasse and the club for growth is calling them out. conservatives including the
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club for growth were willing to accept the latest deal that would let states seek regulation waivers but moderates want obamacare largely left intact. so they say. this is big government liberalism at work among house republicans and speaker ryan is letting them run his conference. here now is andy roth, club for growth vice president of government affairs. andy, what happened? seemed last night, our producers were inside the beltway reporting on the meeting between the vice president and members of the freedom caucus. seemed like there was a deal, today there is a statement from you guys which says no deal. what happened? >> we got indications early on the moderates were backing away. the conservatives decided they were likely to take the step as groups like the club for growth were willing to do as well. moderates are revealing true colors, why you are not sealing a deal.
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they like obamacare intact or largely intact. david: what specifically were the moderates, to use your phrase, what specifically were they objecting to in the deal you worked out with vp pence? >> hard to say, you have to ask them. deal is to allow waivers granted to the states to let governors get rid of most of obamacare's regulations, and those regulations are driving up the premiums. this seems common sense to us, but apparently moderates don't like the idea of deregulating or even federalism. they want to keep the regulations on the books. david: you use the phrase big government liberalism. those are fighting words among republicans. what is it about their view of health care that would qualify them for big government liberalism? >> that's the interesting situation we're in right now. a lot of republicans, most republicans, including the moderates, supported full repeal of obamacare less than two years ago. now they're breaking their promise. why?
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that's why i think the big question should be focused on right now today. david: do you believe that they in fact are for government health care system? >> yeah, absolutely. they want their cake and eat it, too. they want to say that they are for repeal of obamacare, but then when it counts, when it's time and it matters and not a show vote like it was under the obama's administration, now they want to say, well, we want to keep it. david: andy, do you really think they're on the same side of this issue as bernie sanders? >> yes, and that's the one thing that's not being reported right now is there are a lot of democrats within the republican party in the house that are pro union, pro spending. david: i've got to emphasize, you are saying this moderate republicans now are on the same side of health care issue as bernie sanders? >> well, bernie sanders is for single payer. what the moderate republicans are arguing for is they are wook keeping obamacare largely intact.
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that's the problem we have. for the last three election cycles, including trump's election, it was all predicated on repeal of obamacare, and they -- david: i don't know, i've got orrin hatch on. i know orrin hatch is against a lot of what you guys are saying about it, but i don't think he'd say in any way, shape, or form he's still in favor of -- i'll ask him. i don't think he's going to say he's in favor of maintaining obamacare. >> i would love to have that debate. there are a lot of them in the republican caucus who want to keep it. david: i'll ask him specifically. andy, thank you very much for being here. andy roth for the club for growth. boy, interesting. melissa: one of the big stories of our time. president trump telling fox news he believes susan rice may have committed a crime but the democrats are calling all of this distraction from the russian investigation. our panel weighing in. david: the trump administration
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is tested by two foreign threats, defiant north korea launching another missile. melissa: and atrocities carried out by the assad regime in syria. how should america response? we'll weigh in. >> these heinous actions by the assad regime cannot be tolerated. [ engine revs ]
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[ [ screams ] ] [ shouting ] brace yourself! this is crazy! [ tires screeching ] whoo! boom baby! rated pg-13. [ screams ] . david: focusing on efforts to achieve peace in the middle east, president trump's critical meeting with jordan's king abdullah today coming on heels of the suspected chemical attack that killed dozens of civilians in syria. our own blake burman is live at the white house with the latest. this attack really seemed to change the president's perspective on the middle east. >> reporter: it did indeed, david, horrible, unacceptable,
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doesn't get worse, those are some of the ways president trump described the chemical attack in syria. here at the white house in a press conference standing longside jordan's king abdullah. the president saying it makes him think differently about bashar al-assad but didn't outline specific proposals or details how the administration might move differently as it relates to syria going forward. the president was very critical of his predecessor, former president barack obama and the red line that president obama drew in 2012 and the inaction that followed after that. president trump was asked whether or not what happened in syria the other day drew a red line for him? listen. >> it crossed a lot of lines for me. when you kill innocent children. innocent babies, babies, little babies, with a chemical gas that is so lethal people were shocked to hear what gas it
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was, that crosses many, many lines, beyond a red line. >> reporter: david, the president said the attack, quote, had a big impact on him. at the white house yesterday they put out a statement in the president's words and i am quoting here that the attack was a, quote, consequence of the past administration's weakness and irresolution. the president was asked about responsibility of syria going forward. whose responsibility is it? he did say it is his administration's responsibility, along with the responsibility for north korea. david? david: and you wonder what's coming next, thanks, blake, appreciate it. melissa? melissa: taking action in syria, u.n. ambassador nikki haley warning the u.n. council that the u.s. may take their own action in the wake of the deadly chemical attack. >> gas that fell out of the sky yesterday was more deadly leaving men, women, the elderly and children gasping for their very last breath.
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there are times in the life of states that we are compelled to take our own action, for the sake of the victims, i hope the rest of the council is finally willing to do the same. melissa: here now is walid phares, fox news national security and foreign affairs expert. walid, what's the proper response here? >> first of all to acknowledge this was an attack and the president said so during his press conference and also said many, many lines have been crossed. meaning the kind of response could be multiple. one would be to repair what the previous administration had been doing, which is damaging and doing nothing and going forward. there is a trump plan applied in syria. the response will be to go faster on the ground, it's called defeating isis on the one hand and safe zones. these are the things that were not done by the previous administration. melissa: you think a safe zone
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rather than -- because now bashar al-assad put himself in the crosshairs through this action and earlier in the week, of course, you know, you had the white house saying that perhaps it made sense to leave him in place for the time being. he responded it seems with actions right afterward. you think that it's about safe zones and not about removing assad? >> look, removing assad is a much wider decision that would mean moving into the assad-controlled area, there will be five cities, doing a landing. that's a much bigger issue which will have to be done if anything with the coalition and, of course, the russians have to be taken into consideration. but actually the attacks took place in areas where assad is not president. it will be very intelligent to protect the areas and where the kurds are and the south, the jordanian, the king is here along the border. if you want to be smart,
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contain assad and make sure he understands if he attacks the zones under our protection, there could be retaliation against him. melissa: do you think this is an idea they are considering? >> i think the way we are in the united states, i'm not talking about internal information, what we see right now, we're advancing against isis. advancing in the capital raqaa and others. those areas are critical to be basically kept by nonasset forces. that is the responsibility of us. melissa: did you hear the president say his mind has changed, he's flexible, what he saw was so outrageous, he feels differently today. >> president trump proposed safe zones because the conflict cannot end without going through safe zones. now that he's seen the utilization of the children i think it could be a motivation to go faster and establishing
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that the president's border wall will not stretch from sea to shining sea. fox news' catherine herridge is inside the beltway with this. >> reporter: the homeland security secretary qualifying that will only separate children from mothers when there is a risk of harm. >> only, only if the situation at that point in time, requires it. the mother. if the mother is sykora, dicted to drugs or the same way we would do it in the united states. >> if you thought the child was endangered, the only circumstance you would separate. >> can't imagine doing it otherwise. >> reporter: kelly defend the department's position on courthouses, they are not safe zones and will not get a pass. in the next exchange, a committee democrat said the policy is a negative for local jurisdictions.
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>> are you aware that local law enforcement has a concern because this has created a chilling effect among victims and witnesses to crime, and resulted in reluctance to show up to testify about crimes committed in our community. >> i have heard some number of law enforcement people say that. but i've also heard the opposite view. >> reporter: secretary kelly's position is that the wall is really sort of figurative in terms of the southern border because there will be portions that are clear if you will, that you can see through, because they'll have sensors and not going to be a big brick wall as president trump described it, but said it will have the same effect in the end, david. david: catherine herridge, good to see you. >> you, too. melissa: claiming trump associates could be headed to jail. fallout next. david: also house republicans pushing for susan rice to testify on russia. president trump is commenting on the matter.
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wait until you hear his response. that's next. >> donald trump's name would have been mentioned in hundreds if not thousands of foreign intercepts. she just happened to choose these ones? the whole thing stinks to high heaven. ..
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david: what a day for wall street. this all in response to the
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federal reserve saying it's concerned stock val waitions were quote quite high. they suggested officials begin reducing the central bank's huge balance sheet later this year. house republicans are pushing for susan rice to testify. here is brad blakeman, former bush staffer. everybody is piling on and taking this. everyone is going to jail today. what do you think? >> i'm kind of over it, to be honest. not on do you have the president of the united states saying susan rice is going to jail. and a stanford alum is saying every trump associate is going to jail.
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i think the american people deserve answers on the unmasking process and the russian connections to trump. we need to do it through regular order and make sure the process is transparent and effective. everybody speculating all over the place isn't helpful as all. >> i would say this. my impression is i wouldn't be surprised after all this is said and done that some people end up in jail. melissa: brad, everyone is going to jail, yet we don't know anything yet. we haven't seen the kind of evidence on either side about anything, and people who are invested in this story want to know what happened on both sides. >> we do know a crime has been committed. we just don't know who did it.
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not the unmasking of individuals caught up in foreign surveillance. it's the dissemination of that information. our job is to protect the american public, not disseminate information for political purposes, for vendettas, for getting even. we just don't know who did it. melissa: we think what we know about all different conversations and all the times we heard that different conversations were picks up, they claim was all incidental. but we haven't seen it so we don't know that it's incidental. >> we need to take a pause. we need to rib that none of us have security clearance. none of us were in the room. none of us have access to this information. it's difficult to ascertain what's going on here.
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until they are able to weigh all the facts. we won't know what's going on. mel require' important to get to the bottom of, we are not suppose to know about these things. you do have to kind of get to the bottom of what happened, not on what happened in the first place, but what happened, the thing that were suppose to be secret were out there? brad: we do have a material witness, susan rice, who last week said she didn't even know what unmasking they were talking about. then when she was caught when the evidence says we do this routinely and we have to unmask the people to understand what the intelligence means. her story did a 180 in a week.
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she is not very truthful we know from benghazi and beau bergdahl. she has a credibility problem from the get-go. melissa: if you play the sound bites back to back. what she said to pbs and what she told andrea mitchell, totally different. >> again, i think we have some real credibility problems with everybody that's involved at the forefront of these controversies. susan rice with some of her previous flip-flops. then you have chairman nunes and everything else around -- swirling around him in regards to his handling of information and going to the white house and working with the white house. we have a lot of folks with clouds over their heads. it's a mess.
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>> we have some interesting breaking news on changing winds inside the white house. fox news confirming reports that secretary of energy rick perry has been added to the committee or national security affairs. steve bannon was removed from the same council. so that happened this morning. so interesting shifts inside the white house. melissa: ramping up pressure on north korea. the actual administration taking a tougher stand. why the white house says the clock has run out. peter brooks sounds off next. >> the world is a mess. i inherited a mess. whether it's the middle east, whether it's north korea. i inherited a mess. we are going to fix it.
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>> i'll meet with the president of china very soon in china. that's another responsibility we have. that's called the country of north korea. we have a big problem. we have somebody who is not doing the right thing. and that's going to be my responsibility. but that responsibility could have been made a lot easier if it was handled years ago. david: president trump warning north korea just ahead of tomorrow's meeting with china's president xi jinping. joining us now is former deputy secretary of defense peter brookes. i'm quoting an official, this was wide think quoted today. the clock has run out on north korea. that implies that something is about to happen in actions we take against it. do you know what that is? >> no, i don't. but it could be anything from
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political to economic sanctions to some sort of military action. right now, i think it president is probably waiting to have a meeting with xi jinping starting tomorrow to discuss this to see if china could corral north korea about its nuclear missile provocations. david: the guy who controls north korea is a nut. and chances are a lot of people in north korea realize the same thing. word gets around that this guy is crazy. is there anything we can do to force him out from the inside? >> it's pretty difficult. it's a complete police state. the government has control of the guns, the food, information. i have been there. i have been to north korea. it's a complete police state and it's extremely difficult.
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adding to that is jim jong-un has accomplished a significant purge of potential political opponents. david: killed his own half brother. if not that, it means there would be some kind of military action against north korea. what kind without provoking an entire war that could involve u.s. lives? >> if you are going to kick that hornet's nest you have to think long and hard by the. war on the korean peninsula would be deadly for both sides. the misnamed demilitarized zone, the most heavily armed zone in the world. david: what can china do? >> they are the largest benefactor of north korea. but they also get benefits from
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north korea in keeping u.s. troops south of the 38th parallel. i don't know if china will crack down. they are worried about regime collapse and refugee flows. melissa: the supreme court showdown continues. why senate republicans are one step closer over going nuclear over neil gorsuch. president trump speak out on the susan rice unmasking controversy. senator orrin hatch sounds off. that's next.
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republicans poised to take the nuclear option. but how might that change the senate and future nominees? orrin hatch, he used to be chairman of the committee on which he now sits. this was supposed to be the easy one. judge gorsuch is supremely qualified for the position. he's -- he's replacing another conservative. it's the next nominee that was suppose to be the tough one. what happened? >> i think the democrats are so bitter about having lost the election to donald trump, they are pouting all over the place. i think it's stupid on their part. they look like idiots. he has a tremendous reputation. he's a wonderful lawyer and jurist. they are treating him like he shouldn't even be given a
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chance. that gets kinds of old. david: they also seem to be wanting to change the rules. senator schumer floated an idea over the weekend. he said maybe the republicans should get rid of gorsuch, drop that nomination entirely and we could negotiate with republicans toouple a new nominee. that changes the concept of how a nomination is put forward. >> you have got that right. he's a friends of mine but he wasn't elected president. it's transparently stupid. the next one will be ar -- goino be armageddon. david: you will probably have to
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pass judge gorsuch with a simple majority. the same thing will happen if somebody retires the next two years. what could they do for the next one that they haven't already done? >> a lot depends on what presidential choice it is. i can't imagine any republic kansas can president not picking the best nominee he or she could possibly pick. in this particular case trump picked the best circuit court of appeals judge in the country. the next one presumably will be president trump. he has the right idea getting the best people on the bench that he possibly can. the democrats want them to be a super legislature from the bench so they can get some of their crazy ideas into effect. some of them may not crazy, but they are side.
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i have to say, it's unbelievable. melissa: i want to get your take on susan rice. the president telling fox news he believes she may have committed a crime. do you think she should testify? >> i think it ought to be looked into. the intelligence committee is looking into these problems. there is something terribly wrong with what happened there. i don't know enough about it to comment other than to know there is something wrong here and the intelligence committee has to look at it very, very carefully and get to the bottom of it, and i think they will. i hold the record for the longest service on the intelligence committee. i can tell you they work well together. melissa: there is so much wrapped up in partisan politics here. whatever the outcome, it seems like one side is going to say
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they don't feel good about the other side having been involved. >> right now it's the instant committee, the one that will decide these things right off the bat. we have to look through it. if we can allow people to undermine the new president coming in and to do it in a way that's illegal if that's the case, that's pretty serious stuff. we don't want that to happen ever again. melissa: are you concerned about the possibility of collusion with russia and meddling in the election? >> they don't have any arguments. they are still bitter about having lost. hillary was considered the frontrunner, and most people thought she would be elected. i thought trump could win.
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but i have got to say it's just sour grapes. in all honesty i'm getting tired of the democrats screaming and shouting for no good reason. melissa: the other side of the aisle say 17 agencies agree they meddled in the election and they want more information on that. >> we are talking about 50 states. we are talking about a very intense election process. if they did, we ought to find out how to stop them so it doesn't happen again. but it wouldn't have had much of an effect on the outcome. david: we want to switch gears once again. it's not just democrats and republicans against each other, it's republicans against other republicans. on healthcare it's reached a exeen it. d
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it's reached a xenith. i had a guy from the club for growth. he said the problem is people like you, the establishment republicans who bought into the idea that universal healthcare has become a new right to every individual american to which you would say what? >> i don't know where they are coming from, but i have never held that position. they are the type of people, if you don't agree with them, you are nothing. there is plenty of room to differ on some of these things. these are -- if they blow this you have it will hurt the republican party in the future and hurt us in the 18 elections. i don't understand other than they ought to be working. if they have good suggestions we ought to take them up.
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but to call a conservative, it shows how hard pressed they are. david: the one suggestion they make, and you can say what you want about it. instead of having three phases, instead of phasing in repeal and replace. you pass a repeal component and let them say they are for or against it. if they are against it, then we'll have the falling apart of obama care over the next couple years to which eventually americans will demand they repeal and replace. >> i would love who to solve this problem for the american people and solve it for american healthcare. david: you would be in favor that in the next bill you guys vote on? >> of course i am. and a number of other things as well. they don't have all the ideas. these people who are
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radicalizing this process. many of them have friends of mine. and i think they ought to wake up and realize you can't destroy the good because you are demanding perfection with it many impossible to get perfection. david: great to have you here, senator. appreciate it. come back and see us again. melissa: one of the president's harshest critics in hollywood is offer something advice. cher is becoming a voice of reason? david: cher? melissa: i know. ♪ predictable. the comfort in knowing where things are headed. because as we live longer... and markets continue to rise and fall... predictable is one thing you need in retirement to help protect what you've earned and ensure it lasts. introducing brighthouse financial. a new company established by metlife
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melissa: you remember, she famously said she would move to jupiter if donald trump was elected. now cher is calling out democrats for trying to block
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neil gorsuch for the supreme court. this tantrum reeks of desperation. melissa: maybe her account got hacked. >> this is such a low points for the american media. they have been pounding the russia story for weeks even though top officials say they have no evidence any russia involvement in our election had any effect. they stay on that story. you want to find out what russia wanted to do to the election, fine. but now we have a close confidant of hillary clinton and obama, the same person who went

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