individual would do in a secret ballot leck, and now what they're trying to do is pass a law saying there are no secret ballot elections. john: that's what you want is a secret ballot. and secrecy sounds bad for people. >> when you go for president, mayor, congressman, you vote in private. that's a secret ballot election. john: his group produced this film which explains why a secret ballot is a good thing as opposed to card check. >> what if labor bosses controlled class elections. >> thanks for your vote. >> want to show you to vote for me is best for you. miss hudgens has just agreed there isn't going to be any secret vote. sign these cards showing you who you like the best, my campaign committee will collect and count them. >> reason number five for the employee rights act. >> you sure about this? john: so the employee rights act which you're trying to get passed would require secret ballot.

>> guarantee secret ballots. >> this isn't fair, most unions don't send thugs around to intimidate people. >> they send people to individuals' houses, put them in intimidating circumstances and the slaw -- law is filled with cases where this happened. john: we have an experiment for the effect of unions, some states are right-to-work states, explain? >> 26 states say if you don't want to join a union you don't have to. the union cannot negotiate a contract that forces you to join a union in order to keep your job. in the other 24 states, if you don't join the union -- john: i had to join a union at abc. >> and quite frankly, if you don't join the union, you keep your job. most people want the option to join a union because i want the job. john: the states are split close to 50-50. look at this graph.

population growth was 13% in right-to-work states. 6.5% in the others. boeing built its new plant in south carolina because it's a right-to-work state. it left its own state, washington. >> and the union tried to stop them from leaving. john: five million americans have forced union states for right-to-work states. >> it's logical, it's logical, if you want a job where there are fewer restrictions, you're not going to be working in a state where you join a union. john: thank you, rick berman. next, bad rules that take these children from the only family they've ever known.

. john: the law is an ass, charles dickens said that and american bureaucrats prove him right.

consider the indian welfare child act, to protect indian taken from their tribes and placed in nonindian homes. white social workers took kids from the tribes and gave them to white families to make them american. the indian child welfare act made that illegal. but it wasn't happening anymore, and look what the law does now. lauren whiteshield was abandoned at birth by biological parents, a north dakota couple took care of her for three years and moved to adopt her. once adoption was raised birth parents' tribe invoked icwa to stop them from adoption to send her to her biological grandfather and his wife hope. even though hope has a history of abusing her own kids! one month after lauren moved in

with hope, the social worker says hope killed her. >> hope had taken the kids and threw them down an embankment. both kids got thrown down the rock embankment. the older kids were told not to say a word. she is going to be fine and bumped her head. and they took them back to the house, and lauren never regained consciousness. john: arizona's goldwater institute is challenging icwa in court. why would they give the kids to hope? the child spent three years with a family who loves her. >> this is the saddest thing about this law and why it is such a bad law, because it forces judges to subject indian children to different and lower standards than every other american child is subjected to when they are considered for placement. if a child is native american,

they say what does the tribe want? and the tribe gets to decide where the child goes. john: not up to them to say we want the child. >> not always. john: if the child has 1% drop of indian blood. >> we're seeing that in california with lexy page, she's 1.5% choctaw, her great, great, great, great grandfather was part choctaw indian. she's been living with namely for four years. john: foster family? >> for four years. they stepped into adopt her. the choctaw tribe stepped. in placed her with a separate family in utah who's not even indian. john: in another part of your video, you tell the story of a little girl whose indian mother gave her up for adoption and picked the family she wanted to have her. her tribal leader said fine and changed their mind saying we

want the child. they spent $300,000 bucks in lawyers and court fees. they were finally allowed to keep the girl who lived with them for three years. >> somebody can interfere and say i'm sorry, your wrong. it seems insane. it really does. >> three years, $300,000. had to mortgage their house. i mean everything that they had went into trying to keep the little girl whose own mother chose this family. this is the family she wanted her daughter to be part of, and the tribe stepped in and tried to block it. we see this all over the country today. john: so we called the tribes. we tried to ask why would you take them from these families, but they wouldn't talk to us. you, however, did interview one tribal judge who says icwhat is a good law. >> any child that is native should have the opportunity to know his or her culture.

john: they should have the opportunity to know their culture. >> but doesn't mean they should be forced into an environment that is unsafe. when you look at cases where children are taken away from the only families they've ever known after years of being raised by a family dropped off at another person's house and expected to just assimilate into a culture they've never had any background or information about is totally insane to think that those children are going to grow up and everything is going to be just fine. john: it's not. the law is an ass, thank you, starling. next, you get on choose winner of the whacky warning label contest. will it be that balloon that says may cause power outages? you get on vote next.

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. john: we're back with bob jones and his whacky warning label contest. audience, you get to award the thousand dollars, also a second and third prize. to the person who sent in the worst warning label. which do you think is the stupidest?

why don't you pick them up. the star wars lightsaber, the label says for accessory use only, not to be used as a battle device. folks? the utility knife. blades are sharp. okay? are some of you voting twice? i guess that's okay. the glass coffee pot, do not hold over people. all right, we have a clear nonwinner there. [ laughter ] >> bicycle bell, cycling can be dangerous, bicycle products should be installed and serviced by a professional mechanic. failure to heed the warnings may result in serious injury or death? [laughter] >> and last, the he'll yul party balloon which says in california, do not release outdoors or near electric power lines as it may cause power outages. no one said that.

and i'm glad because none of the companies would talk to us. we did find a report from pacific gas & electric, bob, that says there are 100 to 150 power outages every year from these mylar balloons because they're not made out of plastic. >> i bet they're not all in california, though. john: the california part is weird. and the winners in third place, 250 bucks goes to conner dial in tyrone, georgia, who said the coffee pot. second place, the utility knife, blades are sharp. debbie from bentleyville, ohio, wins 500 bucks. and the star wars lightsaber won first prize according to you, suzanne from carmel, indiana gets a thousand bucks. [ applause ] >> i like giving out other people's money. so now we have time for a chat

with a couple of our other guests. you can ask them questions or criticize them. chris hahn and starly coleman. who's first. >> i had questions about icwa if there are any current legislative sessions to appeal it, thank you? >> the goldwater institute filed a class-action lawsuit on behalf of children who are subjected to lower standards under the law. we are also working in state legislatures to reform the law as well. john: will you succeed? >> we will not succeed through a legislative route. john: why won't the legislators change the law? >> the vast majority of people shake their head and say that is too bad. they run up. lawmakers run up against a powerful political interest in tribes. they have a lot of money, spend a lot on elections and nobody wants to be on the wrong side of what the tribes say they want. john: who else? who's next?

>> you mention you support free trade, and in the cases where it's one sided, how would you approach that? >> i am in the minority of progressives where i am for free trade. quite frankly, i'd rather trade with a country than go to war with them. john: what's wrong with fellow progressives. are they dumb? >> i think because i've worked in government and had to govern, i understand it more. i think that everybody -- everybody running for president is anti-free trade, and every period, regardless of party supports free trade. that's the way it is. the reality of governing means that free trade is good for the country, good for our diplomacy, it stops worse things from happening. john: who's next? >> my question is for chris. you came out earlier in the show in support of the soda tax. would you also be in support of a fried food tax or candy tax? >> look, i believe in personal responsibility, and i don't like the fact there are a lot

of people who do not take care of their bodies and health, they wind up paying for their health care weather now or later in life. john: is this a yes or no answer? >> i'll say i'm for taxes on things that kill you, slowly, that cost me more money. yeah, i'd be for it. john: yes, sir? >> you said yourself that you would have to foot the bill for somebody who isn't taking care of themselves. >> right. >> if we didn't have socialized medics, you wouldn't do, that they would take care of it on their own. >> we don't have socialized medicine, i pay insurance through my companies or through the government, and the cost of insurance rises because other people are less healthy than i am. >> but that's socialized medicine. the market of the medicine. >> i am paying for people who are eating five kit kats an hour or drinking ten sodas a day, or eating a couple of

zeplys that you get around the corner. i have to pay for the guy through my private insurance now. the only thing that would stop that is single payer health care. john: why would you not have to pay for it? it's funded by taxes, so the fat smoker -- >> i guess i have to pay for it then, too. we need to all get in shape. john: thank you, chris, starlee, bob. next, my stupid bad rules.

. john: let's end the show with a couple of my experiences with bad rules, and one case, a rule discouraged me from doing the right thing. in another case, the rule encouraged me to do the wrong thing. first the wrong thing. years ago i built this beach house, that's younger me there. the house was on the edge of the atlantic ocean. a risky place to build but i build anyway because a federal program guaranteed my investment. >> protect your home with flood insurance. john: congress created government flood insurance to help foolish people who don't buy private flood insurance, and lose their homes when the water rises, eventually a storm swept away my first floor but i

didn't lose a penny. thanks. i never invited you there but you paid for my new first floor. john: and next year the whole house washed away, government flood insurance covered my loss. this is insane, wrong. government so eager to compensate people hurt by floods creates a program that encourages us to build on the edge of oceans. if the insurance were left to the private market, companies with their own money on the line would price insurance properly. that would cover the real risk and discourage like me from building there. insurance policies would probably cost more, but that's smart it. discourages foolish risk taking. we don't have that because government destroyed the private insurance market by offering cheap taxpayer-funded insurance. the rule that discourages people including me from doing the right thing is new york city's gun law. the supreme court says we have a right to carry a gun for self protection, so new york city

pretends to give out gun licenses. but i know that the licensing's a scam because i applied for a license. says it you must fill out the must promise i know the definition of other weapons like switchblade knives, gravity knife, pillum ballistic knife, metal knuckle knife. a kung fu star? >> when i travel around town, i like to have the option of protecting myself. >> this is 50 pages. who understands this? >> it took hours and hours to fill out forms. we had to call the police department six times to clarify what questions meant. finally, it was done. >> i have to get this notarized, sign here and i will fill in the rest. then you have to go in person

to police headquarters. here they fingerprinted me. asked me to list reasons why i should be allowed to have a gun and charged me a $430 application fee. they said they'd get back to me. eight months later they sent me a letter rejecting my application. i was told you failed to demonstrate a special need. john: a special need? turns out that the special need i'd really failed to demonstrate was being willing to bribe the police. this spring we learned that the cops and the licensing division did give out permits to people who'd pay them off. >> bribing police officers to fast track gun permits. john: the corruption is a common bad effect of bad laws and too many laws subject to interpretation, it gives bureaucrats a chance to dole out favors to their favorite people. after the police rejected my gun permit application, a gun license specialist told me i'd

play the wrong way. he didn't suggest i bribe the cops, he may not have known they were taking bribes. >> glen herman runs this website which advises people on navigating the regulations. >> if you're this expert i would think it is easy for you to get people guns. >> still an ordeal. friends of the ruling class, that's who gets it. john: donald trump got a permit to carry a gun, so did howard stern and robert de niro. maybe you've done work for someone who knows a senator, they will get you in front of a judge and within two to three days you will have a permit. john: connections, cronyism, bribes. bad rules hurt us? in so many ways. so i suggest one new rule, i call it the stossel rule. from now on every time a politician adds a rule, he must get rid of five old once.

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