for self-protection. john: you're not saying all students. you're saying obey state age laws. some students are quite young. whatever the age of majority. what about my point about all people getting drunk? >> already illegal to carry while you're drinking, the whole mixing guns and alcohol argument that is already illegal. the whole argument is that criminals are not following laws. people who are following laws, need to be able to protect themselves. john: a few universities do allow concealed carry. colorado state began allowing it in 2003. violent crime there is down 60%. colorado university kept its carry ban. violent crime is up 35%. >> when you create a victim-rich environment, a gun-free zone, it just attracts criminals. it is a natural response. >> and, we cherry-pick colorado but there is data, in 27 years, study of all states, no state

showed a increase in gun violence as a result of legalizing concealed carry. more places are legalizing it now. >> even illinois has permits now. so, like, i think -- john: even illinois, illinois is really backward state? >> not so that much they're backwards, it is you know, they're learning. [laughter] [applause] the. john: we have questions for kraley come up. >> i'm eric. originally from california but i go to school in d.c., two places not very friendly to guns. >> i'm sorry. >> i was wondering, what kind of education programs, or what kind of message have you given to get people over the stigma that guns have, that guns are bad and they kill people? what has been effective. john: guns do kill people. >> people kill people. people kill people. [applause]

i'm really glad you brought that up. one of the things we found is, giving people exposure to firearms, a lot of people have never held one in their life. they have been misled by hollywood or certain senators who think that things like ghost guns exist or that there are, that you know, a regular five by six round is heat-seeking bullet. one thing we'll do, we'll raffle gun safety courses, have a live fire portion, or we'll just have people come in who are students, just like they are, who have had a different experience and it is, it is contact with firearms and with people who carry firearms. you realize they're not crazy. they're not violent. people who carry firearms generally have a great sense of responsibility because you're raised with it. [cheers and applause] >> hi, my name is sara. i used to attend simmons in

boston, small woman's college necklace one of the highest race areas in major city. in our school we were not allowed to carry pepper spray. i lived on campus i had no forms of defense. what i asked major heads security, what i do defend myself. she recommended i carry hairspray because it stings someone in the eyes. what would you recommend i do in that situation. i don't feel safe. >> i heard many stories like yours. i feel it is terrible. university is not your parents. they're not in charge of you. they can't tell you what measures you can or can't take to protect themselves. john: to be clear you are winning the war. idaho recently legalized concealed carry, kansas, mississippi, oregon, utah, wisconsin. on campus. >> take self-defense class. might be lobby for university to get one of those than a gun course or to allow carry. john: thank you. next, we play a game of, real or

fake. based on stupid things that happened on american campuses. [applause]

♪ [cheers and applause] john: i hear that on campuses political correctness is now so out of control, someone saying people can't even tell what is real or what's fake. let's test this with you in the audience. some of you have these signs. a college president recently said, all lives matter. and then apologized for saying that. so is that real or fake? >> real. john: some of you knew, yes, smith college president, said, i shouldn't have said all lives. this distracts attention from the black lives matter protest. and so it was wrong what i said. two, a college professor

apologized for saying, i feel some kinship with stalin. real or fake? john: yeah, you're pretty split on that. it is fake. month claire university professor did not apologize. stalin maybe killed 30 million people. he said stalin never committed a crime. [laughing] finally one more, a college student wrote a school newspaper column making fun of micro aggressions. students vandalized his dorm room. true or false. you know about that? that that is good. that student is here with us. omar is here along with greg, who follows cases like these. omar, what did you write about micro aggressions? >> it was really tame satire. my dad, who might disagree with me politically said, that was classy. so these people, the fact that

what they, that they reacted so intoably what i wrote serves ironically. john: how knows what a micro aggression is. explain what is going on. >> micro aggression is paper cut. someone might look at you strangely. someone might mispronounce your name. you're trying hard to do that. point it can be anything. can be anything the princeton started something, tiger micro aggressions. no one is allowed to tell anyone else what is micro aggression, and what isn't. if you're oaf phonedded you play the victim card and certain power. john: this is glowing movement? >> you have a right not to be offended ad confirmed in every possible way. we made it very difficult to talk about anything on college campuses. we come up with theory after theory to actually shut down, rather than facilitate debate. john: omar, in your article you have fix tick r tissues -- fictitious character who false

downstairs and refuses help when a white man. i thought it was manifestation of patriarchy patronizing me. >> your moustache is it another instance patriarchy. [applause] john: you write this article. what happened? >> well, i was fired from the campus newspaper for creating a hostile environment. where i drew, well, i had negated people's existence i was told. where i drew the line, when they told me i have to apologize public toy people who don't even want to tell me who they are. come on, have the guts, have the dignity to come and talk to me like a mature adult what i wrote. john: after omar's article was published, some students sneaked into his apartment building, vandalized some things. don't even go here, leave along with expletives. >> plenty of expletives. >> people argue with you in person or in, really not? >> no.

this is all behind closed doors. i sent these perpetrators four texts in december. they refused to apply. john: you're beyond the pale. >> they do not want dialogue. >> it is a theme throughout what they do, they tried to invoke harrassment law say you can't write this incredibly, i would call his satire cute. it was sweet. they tried to say that is hostile environment so we have to fire you. you see harrassment rationales build up. giant cannon of title ix harrassment. we had a case, incident at city university of new york system where they told students that they couldn't, or employees that they couldn't use mr. or ms. on campus because it would violate title ix. they pull this out for everything. john: at marquette university. it was decided forbidden to even question gay marriage? >> part one, professor in a class tell as student we can't really debate gay marriage in class, that would be offensive and wrong. john: no talking about it. >> so another professor, blogs about this and they're now trying to fire the professor who

blogged about it. >> and, students don't getup set about this. >> sometimes they do. the students in this room are terrific students. students for liberty has consistently been on the side of free speech and open dialogue. [applause] is. john: omar, how has this ended for you. >> it ended well. i'm on "stossel." [applause] john: on that note, thank you, omar. greg. coming up an american a day. poll shows between socialism and capitalism, young people actually prefer socialism. [booing] when heartburn hits,

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[applause] john: when i went to college, my professors were pretty clear. it was simple. good people go into public service. greedy selfish people try to make money. so, how many of you heard that message from your professors in school? some, i'm happy not so many. a recent survey of young people asked, which is better, socialism or capitalism? slightly more picked socialism.

i think -- are they crazy? socialism eats freedom an opportunity. brian teaches economics at kings college in manhattan. one student came into your office said, is it okay if i go into business? >> yeah, it was sort of like she was admitting that she had cheated on an exam or something. put her head down, said, is it all right if i want to go into business? i thought to myself, is this state of our situation now among young people? we have to sort of apologize for interest in going into the marketplace? if that is good news. john: the king's college, is place more symphony think tech tan most. >> it is so surprising about it. but our students feel this urge to go into the non-profit space, they have their sense look ahead in the future, a fork in the road. go into the for-profit sector make money and non-profit sector do good but the worlds don't overlap. john: only way to make money in the for-profit sector give something customers really need

or want. >> just about half of millenials surveyed in the poll, the way the rich gets rich at somebody's else expense. they're systematically looking away from the private sector and looking toward non-profit, social enterprise, ngo sector. they're cutting off some opportunities for themselves. john: in countries where there isn't much of a capitalist sector, like, nigeria, turkey, china, vietnam, people have a higher view of the marketplace than america. >> yeah they have, they have eyes to see what we enjoy. john: i should be clear, that the people who said they prefer socialism to capitalism were just people your age, younger than age 30. and it was a very narrow difference. it may be that they just don't know what socialism means? >> i think that is actually true. when you ask the question slightly differently, hey, who do you want controlling your life, private sector interactions or government interactions, most say i want the private sector to be determining factor in my life. john: critics say we

libertarians talk, we're selfish, don't care other people that is why we support business. >> one we tend not to be as good at pointing out some other aspects of the market that antimarket folks have claimed, like community or justice or relationships or inclusiveness. these are things that the market actually fosters. almost nobody in this room would say i love markets because they foster justice. i love markets because they build community. john: they build community because they bring people together. how do they foster justice. >> because we, everybody has a shot to go into the marketplace to serve somebody. markets create that opportunity for them. we should be talking about things like justice. john: students, do you have questions for brian? >> hi, my name is cory. i live in florida and go to seminole state college. i agree that in perfectly free market with competition that truly only way to make a profit is to serve customers. but given that the way our current economy works, tends to be very corporatist, like you mentioned before, export-import

bank or federal reserve, intellectual property and licensing restrictions things like that. don't you think a lot of rich people today are getting rich at expense of others? half of congress are millionaires. do you really think they got rich by serving customers? >> we tend to pay attention where markets break down. market pope opponents love to pay attention to cases where markets break down. 99.9% of the market transactions are every day where it is working well for both people. i would love to see us get better telling that story, telling that narrative. using some language that has been co-opted by antimarket forces to start bringing that back into the fold. i think it is actually ours to begin with. [applause] >> hi, i'm hunter. i go to university of north carolina at chapel hill. i love capitalism but there are a lot of people out there that associate it with negative things such as imperialism, or, corporatism. >> the rest of your peer group

will hear that and say, another guy who loves capitalism. what is capital to begin with? i don't even know what capital is. we need to think about changing way we talk about. hey, i'm so-and-so i love justice. i'm so-and-so i love inclusiveness, and community formation that is why i'm a fan of capitalism or free markets. [applause] >> hi, my name is patrick. i'm from lakewood, colorado, but i go to school here at american university. which if you know is one of the most liberal campuses in america. i was wondering if you think it would be a good idea to promote free market ideas and capitalism through evidence of markets that many of these liberals support such as, medicinal marijuana, pro-choice like abortion clinics? >> the vast swath of americans aren't there not convinced about markets will get distracted by high-profile controversial

nature of those issues. not thinking about markets or think about marijuana or abortion. that is really not where you want to lead them. start with stuff nobody disagrees it is good, happening not because you have a designer, not because of central planner, happening because people in community are spontaneously working together to serve one another. those are stories actually think move people and don't distract people. >> thank you. [applause] john: thank you, brian. thank you, students. coming up, you people here are obviously brilliant because you get it. you're here because you understand the benefits of individual liberties. so, how did they get it? we learn that, when we come back. i love kiwis. i've always had that issue with the seeds getting under my denture. super poligrip free. it creates a seal of the dentures in my mouth. just a few dabs is clinically proven to seal out

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[ applause ] . john: 1500 students from around the world gather here to debate what makes for a free society? but i got to wonder why are you all here? it's a weekend. you're giving up party time. why do you care? did your parents teach you this? how many of you got it from your parents. [ cheers ] . john: not many, did you read a book, instead of the statue of liberty, she holds three books,

free to shrug, free to choose and the constitution of liberty. how many of you woke up because of one of those books. how many atlas shrug. the constitution of liberty. [ cheers and applause [ cheers and applause ] . john: really? it's a tough book. economics in one easy lesson. [ cheers ] . john: milton friedman? how many of you woke up because of a college course? very few. how many of you got it from ron paul? [ cheers and applause ] . john: quite a lot. and finally how many of you got it because when you were in high school, one of your teachers played one of my stossel in the classroom tv shows, and you had a discussion about it. [ cheers and applause ] . john: all right! we have these videos, and people do learn some of these

ideas in high school. earlier i asked some of you about this individually. what got you interested in liberty? >> i had a professor who taught paul krugman and milton friedman and i liked friedman better. >> watching ron paul got me interested. >> i came across ron paul. >> ron paul. >> youtube videos on friedman. john: where did you find them? >> i typed it in the search box, and milton friedman came up and i've been hooked. >> i heard about libertarian from you, on fox news. >> my economics and government teacher in high school played your public choice video. these are not the kind of ideas showing up in textbooks that are written nowadays. >> i'm originally from russia, and moving to the united states, i saw that there is such thing as liberty. john: right! the young people sure know more about liberty and life than i did when i was their age. that's good news, that's our

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