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oh. i'm jamie colby for "strange inheritance." and remember -- you can't take it with you. that's our show. thanks for watching. >> what does it take to police america? >> they're banging and screaming on the door. >> he's standing over me with an assault rifle. >> now some americans are mad and pushing back against authority. >> what are you placing me under arrest for? >> some are upset the government spies on us. >> what you do on your cell phone is none of their damn business. >> i can't understand what rand paul is yelling about. >> today, after all, any can spy on any. >> that was pretty cool until he started taking pictures of my wife over there. > >> i could do it if i could just ntrol t drone.
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the private spies and police. >>hey started looking at us. >> policing america. where's the line between security and liberty. >> i want the police to be better armed than the bad guys. today, what does that mean? >> more than 100 square blocks were decimated by fire and lo looters. >> after the los angeles race riot is in the '60s, some cities created heavily armed assault teams named a sw.a.t. for special weapons and tactics. for years they were called out only in emergencies, like a riot or bank robbery where hostages were taken. their use has increased from one raid a day to today, maybe 100 raids everyday. including case is where have to wonder, why call out the s.w.a.t. team? sn>> would anybody be afraid ofe
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if i was trying to menace you in some way? >> joe is a stand-up comic. the 5'3" inch man caught the attention of an s.w.a.t. team in new york city. why? >> i had a really mind numbingly bad customer service at the apple store. i went home and did what we all do. i bitched about it on facebook. i thought i was funny. >> joe phrased it like i will walk into an apple star -- >> with an armed carbon semi-automatic weapon. >> pointing round after round into one of those smug fruity con seearnings. >> people were responding it was obviously from fight club. >> i thought i was lit aerary until 90 minutes later the s.w.a.t. team were there. everyone has their guns drawn.
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>> was that necessary? >> if they took 90 seconds to google me they would have seen i'm teaching a yoga class in an hour. i don't have a police record or violent history. >> his local paper suggested joe had been stupid. >> who doesn't vent on the internet. i never thought i could quote a movie, even a movie like "fight club" and bring an s.w.a.t. team to my house. if i didn't answer the door with a sense of humor, who knows what could have happened. >> new york city's police force would not talk to us about their raid. others like talking about what they do. >> i have participated in and planned pentagon ene ened appro high risk operations. >> we are not soldiers, we don't think we're soldiers, we're not fighting a war against an enemy. we're trying to help people. >> police department, search warrant. >> he say his team usually kn k knocks first and depending on
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circumstances it was 10 seconds or a minute before breaking down the door. >> we're not liable for any damage we do to people's property. we try to limit it and my guys will try to patch up the best we can the door. >> the suspense of barging into homes makes good tv. there are several s.w.a.t. team reality shows. >> before we did that show, kids would see us in the neighborhood and run from us. after that show, kids would run up to us and get in this van and want to check things out. >> while sergeant hughes doesn't like waking suspects up in the mid of oh the night. others do. >> we want to win without a fight. >> steve is a 25 year veteran of the dallas police department. >> if i have a gun at home and someone is banging at my door and sweeping, i'm more like to pick up my gun and shoot. >> when you knock and announce, you announce police. >> just because the guy says police, doesn't mean he is
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police. >> a great point. >> just hear bang-bang. scary. >> it's supposed to be scary. we use that to gain a tactical advantage. >> and get them before they can think? >> exactly right. >> it doesn't get used too often today? >> i've been involved in over 1,000 warrants in operations, i can't think of any time it hasn't been prudent to use s.w.a.t. >> we've become so comfortable using s.w.a.t. as a first report instead of last. >> this man says the police are turning into warrior cops and s.w.a.t. teams are greatly overused and today they used s.w.a.t. teams to radio truck stops that have video poker machi machines, barber shops, organic farm and frat house said to have underaged drinking and this raided people accused of credit card fraud. >> using this type of force and
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violence on people suspected not violent is a wildly d disproportionate use of force. >> arizona police thought someone in this house might be part of a family drug ring. inside with his wife and child was an ex-marine who completed two tours in iraq and then worked in a local copper mine. he had just gone to bed after his 12 hour shift. >> they take the door down with the battering ram. his son is in the house and he's in the house and he grabs his military weapon and one officer tripped and fired his gun and one mistook it for him firing at them and they opened fire. >> 71 shots. they killed jose. >> his gun was still on safety. >> inside the house, officers found no gun or illegal weapons. cannot fault an officer for shooting a person who raises a gun at them. >> s.w.a.t. veteran, steve ives teaches detectives and says try a ruiz instead of a raid.
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>> we would dress up in u.p.s. teams and knock on the door. packaget the door comes, fine. >> search warrant, columbia police, search warrant! >> when you burst into people's ho homes, nasty things do happen. this s.w.a.t. team believes there's a large supply of marijuana here. >> you shot my dog! you shot my dog! >> the police posted this video on the web an it went viral. >> they rush in the house, shoot the dog, terrify the kid. >> the video speaks for itself. they're not pulling hair, not swearing, not knocking people on their face, they're walking through the house, police with a search warrant, police with a search warrant. >> the pitbull is attempting to bite a police officer. i think they have legal authority to stop the dog from biting them. i know they shot the pitbull because the pitbull was
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reportedly a threat. a federal mags strait found the officers did nothing wrong in that case. >> nothing wrong even though they didn't find that large supply of marijuana, just a tiny amount. >> when you're using s.w.a.t. teams to serve warrants on people suspected of drunk times you are creating violence where there was none before. >> police work is dangerous. they don't know what's on the other side of the door. they want to make sure quick ily. >> if you're breaking into someone's house in the mid of the night, their concern is another drug dealer is trying to rip them off. >> police want protection and the pentagon has given them all kinds of things. >> in the early days it involved odd stuff, helicopters, big ticket items an agency couldn't afford and couldn't use. >> then it became. >> m sen as and grenade laun launchers and tank carriers, stuff used on a battlefield.
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>> now, president obama put limits on it but he says other equipment is necessary. his team used a garbage truck to try to rescue people wounded. >> we needed an armored truck thatay and didn't have one. >> no they give away the m rack. >> it is an armored car. >> your sheriff's office got an m-wrap. >> any armor you kcan get is a good thing. i'm in favor of getting it and not needing it instead of ne needing it and not having it. >> they get cash grants they used to buy this armored truck. >> >> it's 170 grand and the mraps just drive it off the lot. >> all this equipment has a purpose. >> the purpose is to protect the officer and make it clear to the bad guy that he faces overwhe
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overwhelming force, that fight back would be futile. >> show me your hands. >> we just served a search warrant where people are armed, know their criminal history, robbery and rape, we won't knock on the door. when we opened the door, one of the subjects stood up with a glock handgun. >> they tossed a flash grenade. >> before he could get the gun, my guys were on top of him. >> we are not going after johnny selling a quarter sack of weed from his grandma's house. >> sometimes they raid people who didn't even do that. they raided the home of this couple former cia employee. >> when my son was in sixth grade we built a hydraponic garden in the basement. >> a police officers spotted them leaving and wrote down his license number and said he left with a small bag of merchandise.
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>> the sheriff's county sends a full force. >> they're banging at 7:30 on the morning on our door. >> i'm face down hands over my head, staring it a this guy's boots and over me with an assault rifle. they said are there children in this house. >> they knew nothing about their work history. >> we held top secret security clearances for our jobs. >> and they kept us under armed guard while they searched every square inch of our house. >> we didn't know why they came until later. >> they must have told you. >> all they told you was -- >> we know there are narcotics in this home and we will find them. >> they even gave a receipt, no items taken. >> one of the guys told us marijuana seeds and stems had been pulled out of our trash. neither bob or i had ever used pot. then our minds go crazy, the
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trash people must be involved or neighbor's kids must be putting stuff in our trash. >> it undturn s out it was not marijuana, high quality tea. >> i drink expensive loose tea and when done throw it in the trash. >> police found it and did a re reading. >> they found it positive for marijuana and raided the home. >> it wasn't until after that they sent the tea leaves to the lab. >> the lab came back, said it doesn't look like pot, doesn't test positive for pot. >> leaves and stems. >> i don't know we're guilty of anything but drinking tea. >> sometimes s.w.a.t. raids are needed but 100 raids everyday? also, did you know there are now border checkpoints well inside america. america. >> we don't need reasonable
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if i drive across a u.s. border, i know i have to stop at a border patrol checkpoint. imagine driving to the grocery store inside america and being stopped by the border patrol. >> what crime am i being charged with? >> pastor steven anderson was just stopped at border patrol checkpoint 60 miles from the
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mexican border. >> what are you placing me under arrest for? >> the officers say the police dog alerted them to something in his car. anderson says the dog never alerted to anything. he wouldn't let them search his car so officers break both windows and then tased him from two directions [ screaming ] >> here's what he looked like later. on youtube, you can see lots of confrontations like that because lots of americans are upset about being stopped not on the border but miles away from the border. our government did rule that border patrol may set up checkpoints within a reasonable distance of the border. what's reasonable? >> they said that distance is 100 air miles from any external boundary of the united states. >> 100 miles. that's where most americans live. >> two-thirds of the people live in these spots, it's entire states, all of florida, more than half of california, all of
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maine, all of new hampshire. >> agents tell people that all residents are suspect simply by virtue of living in southern arizona. >> america does need to police our border. rick understands that. he's an air force pilot that served in iraq and afghanistan. now, he's based in texas where he found he had to pass through checkpoints all the time. >> there's no way to leave the border town without going through a checkpoint. >> the checkpoint he had to pass through most often is 67 miles from the border. i started to feel like i was asking ter mission to leave that town. i'm just traveling in the united states and i haven't crossed any borders and i didn't really like that feeling. >> he installed cameras in his car. >> i wanted to be able to prove the truth of events. >> i'm asking if i'm pre-to go and if they're going to detain me. >> here, he's on the phone with a lawyer. >> they're standing around and not telling me. >> the fert courts said they can conduct brief stops for the
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limited purpose of verifying residence status. they could not involved the searches of individuals or interior. >> if the person says, yes, i am, they should be let go. >> according to the supreme court, yes. >> that may be silly. the guy could just lie. >> it may be silly but you can't set up a fishing expedition. >> what's the reason to want to check my trunk? >> just, your car is dirty. >> here, a border patrol agent inspects one of our cars. >> it was a peaceful little town. it was calming, there wasn't no problems. >> big government creates problem, as the number of interior checkpoints has grown, more americans say this is destroying our town. >> there's less and less tourists coming here. >> this woman had to close her business. >> it's sad. economically, this town depends on tourists, and we're not on
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the border, we're in america. >> people here say it's like living in occupied territory. apache helicopters overhead. surveillance towers, dozens of border patrol trucks cruise their street. >> it's a one block town and the border's not even close to here. >> imagine living in a small town where in order to go to work or take your kids to school, everyday you had to answer to an armed federal agent at a checkpoint. >> i don't need reasonable suspicion. >> that's the law, sir. >> no, it's not. >> they might want to ask you about your medical history, where you're coming from. >> is that toolbox or something? >> on other days they may decide they want to search your car. >> you can't hardly get out on the road somebody doesn't stop you. they think everybody out here is a criminal. >> these are the kind of experiences real people are having on a daily basis at checkpoints and fundamentally fly in the face of what it means to live in a free society, where you don't have to answer to federal agents when you're going about your daily business. >> leave us alone, just big
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brother, looking at us, you kno know. >> am i being detained? >> more americans are pushing back. >> why am i being detained, agent gilmore. >> arizona photographer, james for ray refused to answer extra questi questions. >> where are you coming from? >> why? >> well, why don't you pull over there? >> why? >> because i'm sending you over there. >> answer my question. do you have a gun in the vehicle? >> they could have just asked him do you have a gun? >> he asserted his rights. >> which led to this. >> open the door and get him out of the vehicle now. >> why are you twisting my arm? >> because you're not listening to what i'm asking. >> i am! >> [ bleep ] taser him. >> he was put in handcuffs for an hour and half while they tour apart his car. >> they found no contraband. >> he says it's wrong he's asked
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where are you going in his own country. >> roll down your window, is that as far as it will go? >> i bet the border patrol agents will say, come on, just tell us where you're going? >> i answered 17 questions and produced a military it and two passports. >> if it was your job to be a border job and somebody wouldn't answer questions, wouldn't you want to detain them? >> you might want to. but unless you have reasonable suspicion for a crime? >> i'm suspicious because he won't answer questions. >> lack of cooperation cannot be used as a basis for reasonable suspicion. >> this is a person having to stop in the middle of the road, who'one nothing wrong and found himself surrounded by armed government agents with dog dogs. >> the border patrol would not respond to our questions about this. so congressman peter king defended the agency. >> i think a border patrol as border patrol. these are inland. >> it is a reasonable course,
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you can do it. we do have -- when people come into this country illegally, they don't stay on the border, they keep going. >> if people aren't immediately compliant, they'll break a window, people have been tased? >> i am not aware of any significant abuses at all. i'm on the homeland security company. if anything the complaints we get not enough strict enforcement. >> isn't there something un-american about 100 miles from the border american citizens having to prove we're in america to drive to thegrocery store? >> we live in a very scary world. >> americans have the freedom to drive in their own country. real freedom lies in the thin space that separates an american citizen from the armed member of their government. >> that thin line keeps getting thinner because authorities keep on inventing new tools. >> movs use microsensing
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america locks up more of its people than any other country. >> one reason is -- >> mandatory sentences. >> mandatory minimum jail sentences are why lawrence and lamont garrison spent more than a decade in jail. they were about to graduate from college when the fbi raided their home. >> they slammed me on the ground and my brother in ground and put us in handcuffs and showed me a picture, do you know this guy? he fixed our car. >> the brothers were arrested for cocaine conspiracy. >> they found no property, no money, no drugs. >> no drugs? never sold any drugs? >> nope. >> the brothers denied they'd even used drugs. but some dealers claimed they had seen them. >> why name you? >> i did business legitimate
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repairing a car. >> they reduced their sentences for the witnesses. >> this is the snitch -- they made us look like some type of drug lord. >> why would they do that? because mandatory minimums encourage crooks to implicate others. >> then the prosecutor might lower your sentence. >> that gives me an incentive to make stuff up. >> absolutely. people do. a perfect example, perfect situation for someone to get themselves out of trouble. >> snitch is not a bad word in my volcano, a good word. criminals, murderers, they don't deal with choir boys. >> they can make something up. >> you can find that out when somebody is lying. >> she became a prosecutor right after law school. she has jailed smugglers and mandatory hit men. >> most of you like these mandatory minimum, why? >> it's more control for a
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prosecutor. >> and less control for a judge. >> the judge's hands are completely tied no matter the sirkceds of the crime or victim or defendant, nothing matters. >> the judge can't do anything? he can't say this is nuts? >> no. they complain about this all the time. they apologize to defendants and say, i'm sorry i have to do this but i can't do anything else. >> a judge apologized to scott earl. after earl had back surgery he got addicted to painkillers and then met a woman in a bar. he ke he -- she kept asking him for pills. >> he resisted her for a while. >> and she set up meetings and for that he was charged and given a 25 year mandatory minimum sentence. >> in the judge's apology said this punishment does not fit the crime. with great reluctance i will have to sentence the defendant to 25 years. >> judges are begging the legislature to change this law.
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>> it's a harsh sentence and somemes what mandatory minim minimums need. and if he pled with the prosecutor before this stage he wouldn't have been facing that. >> prosecutors want to avoid time consuming crimes. the threat of long jail time persuades accused people to plead guilty. have had grown men on a drug bust just burst out in tears we weeping. why? mandatory minimums. >> if you plead guilty you won't get the mandatory minimum. but if a defendant say, hey, look i'm not a drug trafficker, i want to tell a jury my side of the story. prosecutors drop the hammer. >> why would the prosecutor be such a hard guy about it? >> like go to voters and say, look at my conviction rate, look at these bad guys i put in prison. >> big bad john. >> former prosecutor john cornyn won his u.s. senate seat after bragging about being tough on bad guys. >> if prosecutors were the only left to direct mandatory mini m
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minimums. i work in florida. we have mandatory minimums for drug laws the worst in the country. >> the toughest in the country. >> the worst and the toughest. >> if you're caught with 22 pain pills without a prescription, you get anautomatic three years in jail. 44 pills, seven years. >> onsome of these laws feel li a panicked response to fear of drugs. >> panicked response? we're talking hard core dealers here. >> 22 pills? >> 22 pills. that's not somebody just using, john, somebody selling. >> the pain management institute says that could be less than a week's prescription. >> low level drug users. you have had dicts being picked up, charged with trafficking and being sent to prison for decades at a time. >> like the garrison brothers who weren't even users and
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demanded a trial and were found guilty. >> you got almost 16 years and 20 years and the snitch? >> under thr years. >> and the message is make something up about somebody. >> if it is correct they reduce the crime rate we should see two things, when they're imposed the crime rate should go down, repealed, the crime rate should go up. that's not what we see. >> michigan repealed its mandatory minimums 10 years ago. >> since then they released thousands of drug dealers and the crime rate has fallen 20% and saved thousands of dollars. next, more drones are next, more drones are coming, sma ♪ whoa that's amazing... hey, i'm the internet! i know a bunch of people who would love that. the internet loves what you're doing... ...so build a better website in under an hour with... ...gocentral from godaddy.
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