business of the day which he conducted with great presidential aura. stuart: we've covered this throughout the morning on the fox business network and our thanks to all of those who joined me in covering what is a dreadful story. my time is up. neil, it's yours. le lot worse.very much, could welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto, watching fox business, and here's what we know, the house majority whip is going to be okay, in stable condition, going through surgery. steve scalise had a close call, dragged himself off of second base to get out of the shooters range. but shot himself in the process here. it were not for capitol hill police protection, it could have been a massacre. it wasn't. what we're learning is something confirmed than no less president trump that the suspect in all of this, 66-year-old james hodgkinson of illinois is dead. the fbi has officially taken over the investigation.

developments and talk that both nancy pelosi, and speaker of the house paul ryan will not make a joint announcement by separate announcements here of the we can also take a peek at the corner of wall and broad. you would have might thought this disrupt markets, lead to panic selling. but these guys on corner of wall and broad have a funny way showing it. gold is increasing in value, normally a safe investment for a lot of people getting scared. there was plenty of reason to get scared. gold had been shootings up 9.7 the ounce. ron desantis joins us, republican from florida. here is the interesting thing about the congressman. he left the baseball practice minutes before the shooting. i'm veryç glad you're okay. how are you now? >> it is still a little surreal, neil. i was taking ground balls ad 30 base, scalise at second and jeff duncan at shortstop. jeff said looked at each other

after we had taken a lot. let's bet the traffic. we both hit batting practice. so let's do it. had i stayed, jeff stayed, we would have been in the immediate line of fire. all i had was a baseball mitt. i wouldn't be able to defend myself. i'm coming to terms with that. when we went into the parking lot i got into duncan's staff member's car. jeff got in the passenger front seat. an individual approached us and wanted to know kind of in very direct, somewhat hostile tone whether it was republicans or democrats practicing. jeff duncan said it was republicans. the guy immediately turned around and walked toward the field t was a little strange. once we got back to the hill and news broke there were shots fired. jeff duncan and i immediately called each other. we said we have to report this guy. it was a strange encounter. neil: was this guy you've seen photos on the news, james

hodgkinson, did it fit that description? >> both jeff duncan and i believe, yes, that is the individual who approached our car. this would have been five to ten minutes before the shots started. neil: let me be clear, sir. that five or ten minutes before the first shots rang out, this guy approaches you, and asks whether republicans or democrats are playing on the baseball field. you thought it odd enough to tell authorities, right? >> yeah, i mean, once you see there were shots fired, neil, to set the stage for this, this is just kind of like a municipal baseball facility. it is not anything special. there is not a lot of people out there. sometimes people walk their dogs or whatnot. so an encounter like that, it wasn't that it was so strange in of itself, but 7:00 in the morning, or 10 of a 7:00 in the morning i noted it. we drove off. once the news broke, jeff and i immediately thought back to that encounter, said look, we have to

provide this guy's profile to the police. we did do that. once he was identified, once his twitter page and all that was pit out and his profile, i texted it to jeff. i said this is the guy. jeff said, yep, it is the guy. we both agreed it was him that approached us. neil: what we do know now, congressman, had it not been for congressman scalise's capitol hill police protection, he gets it being in house leadership, this could have very different results, huh? >> oh, i think without question. had you not had scalise there, that would have meant there was no reason for the capitol security police dthil to be there. i think you're looking a number of people wounded and likely killed. we would have been defenseless. you can sit there and say you have a baseball glove or a baseball bat, but this guy has a rifle and a pistol. i think it would have ended up being a massacre. those capitol police saved lives today, there is no doubt about it.

neil: we're getting report, sir, the game is still on tomorrow night. democrats and republicans one of the rare chances we get to see bipartisan unity on the baseball field. that would go on, i would imagine under a little bit more than usual protection? >> yes. i said if they keep the game on, i'll be there. i will play. i'm a little sad for steve. steve scalise is a guy, he loves coming out to practice. he is always dressed in a nice uniform. he was really happy i started to play again. i played in college. so i can add something to the team. he would see me on the house floor, man, you're coulding out, we need it. he was excited about the game. neil: everyone is into this. i didn't know it was such a big deal, it's a huge deal, isn't it? >> we already raised $650,000 for charity. that is really the most important. some of these guys like to live out their childhood dreams on the national baseball stadium which is fun. neil: someone told me scalise thinks he in the world series,. that they had to let him no, not

quite. it's a big thing. you're happy the game is still on tomorrow? >> i'm happy we'll not let this he deter us. i'm a little sad for steve. looks like he will be fine. looks like he will pull through. that is the most important thing. i don't think it will be quite the same without him. he has infectious cheer about this, about being out there. and so they will definitely be a hole in the lineup. neil: congressman, glad you're well. glad he will be well. thank you again for taking the time. >> no problem, thank you. neil: let's go to our hill senior producer chad pergram live at the scene in alexandria. givegive me a sense of the scend this field is like, the area is like. obviously any hint of violence not daily in this community but tell me what you can about it. >> this is a pretty bucolic area. i a few blocks in this direction. the reason i'm dressed this way i was at the gym few other blocks in the other direction

when this broke out. the ball field they practice early in the morning neil, they come out 5:45, 6:00 in the morning because if you're a member of congress you have a day full of hearings, votes on the floor. you don't have time to go out on normal time of day to practice. they come out early to the ballfield. it is residential area. i live a few blocks from here. there is a ymca across the street. where the gunman was firing from the third baseline behind the dugout, between the ballfield and the ymca. in fact thisç baseball field ud to be where they played the congressional baseball game, before they moved to a minor league park, buoy baseball park and expose played at rfc stadium and then they moved to the nationals park where they practice. this is where the alexandria dukes was one year a minor league team. low level affiliate of seattle

mariners in 1979. this is a pretty nice baseball facility here. this is residential area. there is a dog park. i've been told a couple minutes ago, a dog was lost in the chaos during this somebody was out there walking their dog. that happened. to have this happen here is pretty extraordinary. people are again talking about the role of the u.s. capitol police. neil: chad, much has been discussed about the tone and increasing vitriol in washington and nastiness back and forth and that, that is the backdrop for all of this. sometimes i think that can be a bit of a leap here. but is it your sense what little we know of the shooter that was part of it? he was a big bernie sanders supporter. bernie sanders disavowed his actions obviously moments ago but that the tone has gotten to the point where this kind of thing isn't a shock? what do you make of it? >> right. the fact that this happens, i thought it was interesting one

of the first persons to come out and you say the ball game was on was republican arizona congresswoman mortgage that mcsally. she represents the district held by gabrielle giffords, former democratic congresswoman who was shot about six 1/2 years ago, her then aide ron barber was shot in the incident as well. he took the seat from giffords. that was the seat that mcsally took when she he defeated barber a couple years ago. to do something this collegial, this congressional baseball game are something members are passionate about. there's a long history. jim bunning former congressman and senator, pitching. jerry ford when he was in the house of representatives notably hit inside the park home run in this game before he became vice president and president. they take this seriously. they come out early in the morning to practice. neil: they're committed to the game tomorrow night. we'll see what happens. >> that's what we're hearing.

neil: chad pergram. john, we're hearing had it not been for the capitol hill police we could have seen a very different scene there today. what's your take on all this? >> oh, absolutely, neil, absolutely. i think they're absolute heroes. let's give credit to the alexandria, virginia, police department showed up seconds basically into the incident, engaged in gunfire withç the yu now killed suspect. they did an absolute outstanding job and representative wenstrup who was a combat surgeon in iraq and treated wounds of representative scalise. it was tremendous difference being a tragedy not not a massacre. neil: there is been said whether everyone in congress needs security protection or just leadership as it stands now. i'm sure there will be a heightened since of police and security awareness next couple days. then what, what do you think?

>> i'm a big second amendment advocate. i think it is absolutely ridiculous with vitriol from both sides that members of congress are not authorized to carry firearms. it might be a cost effectively to have security detail, but at least let them carry firearms in the capitol wherever they are going. they are a public figures. you and i receive being on media and facebook and twitter. you can imagine what a member of congress must receive. best line of defense for any american is personal firearm, carrying a personal weapon. neil: i'm wondering whether the environment has anything to do with it? reminder for everyone take the level of agita down a little bit. the history had history of being angry at donald trump, bernie sanders supporter, a volunteer, i might add, that vitriol was obvious but what do you do? >> you know, i think the problem is that we on the right, look i'm biased, i'm on the right, we, many of us assume there is

still idealogical center but these left-wing groups, on this guy's facebook page he had little people next to photo of bernie sanders, democratic socialism, we the people. he was not just a sanders supporter but dissip pile of alinsky. i don't know if you can bring those people to the center for political discourse. i don't think that is possible. neil: do you think incident like this jar people's senses? rarely does it last. i harken back to 9/11. both parties were on same kumbayah step but it got extreme again. it seems particularly nasty today. i'm wondering whether anything can dial that back? >> unfortunately i don't think this incident will because fortunately no one was killed, and everyone will come out of this okay after surgery. so, let's be realistic, media cycle being what it is these

days, this will be forgotten in a week. as troubling as it is to say, i don't think will change much with these violent radical left wing groups, let's bring it down a notch and come to the table. neil: i want to get your take on protection aroundç and availab. there is distinction between capitol police an secret service but they're going to be on extra guard, extra watch in light of this. but i always wore to your earlier point, john, it sort of ebbs with the events. as the immediate concern dies down so too that heightened awareness until the next incident? >> yeah. look, these are many so of the most highly-trained law enforcement people in the world. capitol police cross trains with the secret service. you and i actually spoken about this before. these low-tech, asymmetrical attack, one-off lunatic with a rifle and some political motivations is impossible to detect. so there will be increased presence.

local surrounding agencies like alexandria, prince georges county on maryland side will get additional briefing where senators and members of congress might be for particular events. they will pay particular attention. send more officers over and secret service will supplement. there is only so much you can do. only finite body in these agencies to be deployed. neil: in these trying circumstances to put it mildly. as i said bernie sanders has put out a statement here on today's attack and that the attacker was apparently a sanders disciple and big advocate for him. this is again coming from senator sanders. "i've just been informed alleged shooter at republican baseball practice. volunteered on my presidential campaign. i'm sick kenned by this despicable act. i condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. real change can only become through non-violent action. anything else runs against our

most deeply-held american values. he goes on to say my hopes and prayers are that representative scalise, congressional staff and capitol police officers who were wounded make a quick and full recovery. i will also want to thank the capitol police for their heroic actions to prevent further harm." meantime we're focusing on speaker paul ryan on the house floor right now addressing this matter. all right. he just spoke i guess. is he still speaking, guys? these are some of the members now talking. speaker ryan already did. can we stay with this a little while, guys? they're adding a moment of prayer. >> we as americans are blessed by a free and open society with rights secured by law and the constitution. but once again we are he reminded that there is a vulnerability that comes with that openness. may we all be vigilant in being

good citizens, neighbors and defenders of our way of lifeç t a time when so many challenged to our way life and government seem under siege. we thank you for the men and women who respond to the crises that befall us especially the capitol police and all first-responders may their heroism and generosity of spirit be an inspiration to us all and may they be assured of our appreciation of their service. and in this great silence as we are gathered most dramatically as this assembly in the people's house, may republicans and democrats be mindful of the rare

companionship they share. men and women who have taken very public responsibility for our country. that carries so many burdens and today the reminder, shared danger. may this day be characterized by kindness, goodwill, and compassion, one to another. god bless america, and may all that is done this day be for your greater honor and glory, amen. >> amen. the chair examined journal of last day's proceedings announced to house approval thereof. pursuant to clause one, journal one, the it stands approved. chair will lead the house in pledge allegiance and invites

members of the gallery to join. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. neil: all right. i believe nancy pelosi is now going to be speaking shortly. let's continue to listen. >> address the house for one minute. >> gentleman is recognized. >> my colleagues, there are very strong emotions throughout this house today. we areç all horrified by this

dreadful attack on our friends and on our colleagues an those who serve and protect this capitol. we are all praying for those who are attacked and for their families. steve scalise, zachary barf, matt mica, special agent david bailey, special agent crystal grinder. we are all giving our thoughts to those currently being treated for their injuries at this moment. and, we are united, we are you united in our shock, we are united in our anguish, and an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. [applause]

i know we want to give our thanks to the first-responders and to the alexandria bless department who were on the scene in minutes. i know this house wants to state unequivocally we are as ever awed by the tremendous bravery of the capitol police. [applause]

i spoke with special agent bailey and special agent griner this morning. one was being treated and one was about to go into surgery. i expressed our profound gratitude to them. it is clear to me based on various eyewitness accounts that without these two heroes, agent bailey and agent grinder, many lives would have been lost. [applause] i know that we allç want to len as much as we can about what happened. we just all received a briefing from the sergeant-at-arms. i have complete confidence in the investigation that's being

conducted by the capitol police, the fbi, who are also working with local law enforcement. i know we want to extend our gratitude for the outpouring of support we've receive from throughout the capitol and from throughout the country. and now knowing steve scalise as we all do, he is likely really frustrated that he is not going to be able to play in the baseball game. i also know steve wants all of us to commend the bravery of those who came to the aid of the wounded. in the coming days we will hear their stories, and we will have the chance to hold up their heroism. my colleagues, there are some memories from this day that we will want to forget and there are so many images that we will not want to see again. but there is one image in particular that this house should keep and that is a photo i saw this morning of our democratic colleagues gathered in prayer this morning after hearing the news. you know, every day we come here

to test and to challenge each other. we feel so deeply about the things we fight for and the things we believe in. at times our emotions can clearly get the best of us. we're all imperfect. but we do not shed our humanity when we enter this chamber. for all the noise and all the fury, we are one family. these were our brothers and sisters in the line of fire. these were our brothers and sisters who ran into danger and saved countless lives. so before this house returns to its business, let's just slow down and reflect, to think about how we're all being tested right now because we are being tested right now. i ask each of you to join me to resolve to come together, to lift each other up and to show

the country, to show the world, that we are one house, the people's house, united in our humanity. it is that humanity which will win the day and it always will. god bless, i yield. [applause] ç >> for the purpose of gentlelady from california zook recognition. >> mr. speaker, i rise to join the distinguished speaker in paying tribute to the brave men and women of the capitol police force and in sadness for the assault that was made on our

colleagues and members of the his staff. to my colleague who hear me say something you never heard me say before, i identify myself with the remarks of the speaker. they're beautiful remarks, mr. speaker. thank you so much for the sentiments that they represent, thank you so much. [applause] again, we are not one caucus other the other in this house today but we speak for each other and saying that we send our thoughts and prayers to our colleague, steve scalise. personally we have our italian-american connection. so as soon as i heard his name i was filled with concern as i would be for anyone here but we have that special connection. so our hopes and prayers, i said

to the speaker, i will be asking you five minutes how is skief steve coming along? for zach barf and congressman roger williams's office, mica, a former staffer around speaker acknowledged, crystal griner and david bailey. in acknowledging their sacrifice how fortunate we they were on the scene because other lives would have probably been lost, i want us to remember every separating gel day the capitol police protects all of us, takes risk for us. while a day like this is a time where we can focus on it so sadly, it doesn't mean that other days aren't as, aren't as challenging. and especially want to call you call attention to representative john gibson and officer jacob chestnut, who almost, 19 years

ago, 1988, it was in july, lost their lives protecting the congress, the capitol. not just members of congress, the staff, the press, and our visitors, people who come to see this capitol, this great edifice to democracy known throughout the world. so they are protecting a great deal. and it is an attraction. r&c @&% that makes it all the more risky. you may not know this, my colleagues, but every time i pray, which is very frequently and certainly every sunday, i pray for all of you. all of you together. earlier years i used to pray for your happiness, for the fact that we were working together, heed the words of president kennedy in the closings of his inaugural address, when he said, may god's work must truly be our

own. how do we view what god's will is for us? how do we come together to give confidence to the american people, as our founders intended we would have our disagreements and we would debate them. we would have confidence in our beliefs and humility to listen to others. but in more recent years i have been praying not only for that but for our safety because i above anyone in here, i can say that quite clearly, have been probably the target of more, political target and therefore the target of more threats than anyone, perhaps other than the president of the united states, barack obama. and so i pray for barack obama. you now i continue to pray for him. and i pray for donald trump, that his presidency will be successful. that his family will be safe. because it is about family. we are called for a purpose to

this body. it is a great thing, and we know what it means to each of us to serve and we recognize that in others. we also recognize that you have your constituents, we have ours. we respect you and your constituents who sent you here. all worthy of respect. but we do have our differences, and so i pray, my prayer is that we can resolve our differences in a way that furthers the preamble to the constitution, takes us closer to e pluribus unum. today, it is, again, it is in the family. it is an injury in the family for the staff, and for our colleague and for his leadership. as i mentioned just a minute ago, in fuller thing, sports are

a wonderful thing in our country. probably one of the most unify -- maybe the arts or music or plays or whatever, but sports really bring us together in our cities. you see people have the biggest differences of opinion in politics, onç politics and yet yet when their team is on the field people come together. people come together. so when this team was on the field practicing in such a, with such comradery and such brotherhood, i don't know if you have any sisters on your team, we have two on our team, for this person, to take this action is so cowardly, so cowardly. we all learn more about motivation and the rest of that but it seems particularly sad. any violent death of course is sad but particularly sad that at a time when we, people want us to come together and we are

prepared to come together tomorrow night that this assault would be made. we can not let that be a victory for the the assailant or anyone who would think that way. we'll go out there tomorrow night and everyone do his or her very best and use this occasion one to bring us together and not separate us further. with that again, i want to thank the speaker for bringing us together. again, with endless gratitude to our capitol police, particularly today of course, crystal griner, david bailey, but never out of our prayers -- tiff john gibson and officer. thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts this sad day. steve, you are deeply in our prayers. wetcount the minutes until you return. please convey that to him, mr. speaker. thank you all.

[applause] >> before the house a communication. >> the honorable, the speaker, house of representatives, sir, pursuant to the permission granted in clause 2 of rule 2 of the rules of u.s. house of representatives, the clerk received the following message from the secretary of senate on june 14th, 2017, at 9:24 a.m. that the senate passed senate 831, signed sincerely karen hoss >> what does the gentleman from north carolina seek recognition. >> i do move the house now adjourn. >> question on motion to adjourn. those who favor say aye. those opposed say no. the ayes have it. the motion is adopted. the house stands adjourned until 10 a.m. tomorrow morning for

morning hour debate. neil: all right. you haveç been watching what ia rare case of bipartisan unity. the house adjourning for the day. the senate does as well in recognition of this very close call in washington, d.c. today, a shooting, attack that could have been a whole lot worse. the shooter we now know has died in that attack. we are understanding from george washington university hospital that there is one death being reported. we are only left to assume that is indeed james hodgkinson, 66-year-old, former bernie sanders volunteer, who has died. we're following this. following markets that held up pretty will through this. maybe easing on the concern this could have been a whole lot worse. market watcher, scott martin, former reagan economic advisor, diana furchtgott-roth. i'm reminded on occasions like

these, blessed rare though they are, the comradery that develops afterwards. i think it is a pity that can't remain, you know. >> yes, i think it is really a pity because that is what everybody needs to get health care reform through and tax reform through, and the data were a little bit softer today. oil prices down, commodity prices down, retail sales down, cpi down. so we really do need some oomph to be added to the economy and tax reform is the best way to do that. neil: scott martin, i'm wondering too, we've seen the markets resilience even abroad, specifically in britain after the terror attacks there, three in as many months. after each one, relatively subdued response. so i'm looking at our reaction here to something that could have been, as i say, a whole lot worse. collective shrug, what do you make of that? >> it is amazing these days how the markets can just move on in the future, neil.

you look back, gosh, look back at the terrible september 11th attacks many years ago, if you purchased stocks many days after the markets were closed, held them you through end of the year and so forth into 2002, you actually made money. the markets bounced back considerably after those attacks. reality while a lot of these attackers, disruptors wish to rob us of our freedom, rob us of our economic activity, the reality is energy becomes stored. so the markets move on. so yes, maybe there is a small hiccup for a matter of minutes while evidence gets sorted out but in the longer term the economy moves on, markets move on. unfortunately we digest more of these incident every day. neil: diana, i wonder if it's a matter of getting use to it tooç which is sad in itself? >> markets are set by long term and short term developments.

unfortunate and tragic as this shooting is it doesn't move commodities or price of future earnings. i would say this isn't something would move markets. on the other hand the attacks of september 11th, this caused more money to be spent on security. it did cause a change. so we can see larger developments -- neil: that was a much bigger attack. >> exactly. neil: the financial center of the world so obviously there are distinctions there. i'm wondering, scott martin, what this portend? if there is a talk of maybe more cooperation and maybe tomorrow night's baseball game will be example of that, could there be more talk of progress on other things, whatever your views on taxes and whatever views on some other i them, they can carve out some sort of a acceptable middle ground or progress on any of them? >> yeah, let's hope this stokes the comradery, neil, that you talked about previously here because the reality we need it.

the economy needs it. the markets need it. there has been such a divide in d.c. since trump got in the white house, it almost feels like the house and senate want to go against him, because they want to go against him, not because the policies are necessarily bad. to have the incident with respect to the shooter, he went out with the mind-set of dividing the country and causing death and destruction, maybe this hassle very lining to it where it brings d.c. and the country together to realize we're in this together. we have to move forward. that starts with economic progress, tax reform and the like. >> but i wouldn't hold my breath. i wouldn't hold my breath. i don't he think it will lead to more unity. neil: what we do know, we know there is a lot of ainge are out there. anger on the right toward the left, anger on the left toward the right but unprecedented at this stage, people reject the notion of donald trump as president, refusal to work for any of his goals, conversely, republicans to entertain working

with democrats on the health care front. there is still a lot of that antipathy. i'm wondering what if anything it will take to change that or that is just the way it is? what do you think, scott? >> i think that is the way it is for now, neil. it has been easy to be caught up in that environment, frankly it's a new environment. donald trump is a new president as far as somebody different than we've had in the white house prior to. so there is an adjustment period here and i believe that it is easy for people to stay in the mind set of saying i don't like him. i don't like his policies. i don't want to read what he is proposing because i just think it's bad but the reality is, for the sake of the country and for the sake of everyç american, congress needs to legislate. as stuart varney likes to say, they need to govern. therefore that means take a look at the policies, think about benefits they may have for everyone, act on them good or bad. neil: guys, i want to thank you very both, very, very much. not much action in these markets one way or the other.

we have former home depot cofounder bernie marcus with us right now. bernie, you talk about the tone and things changing and hope always springs eternal on this sort of stuff but i mean, after the event, that comradery seems to die down. what do you think happens from here? >> unfortunately i'm a little more cynical than most people. i would hope that they would be begin to understand what is happening, what happened today which obviously is a terrible tragedy, they ought to get the message, some of the vicious rhetoric going on between both parties, i blame them both, i blame the president and i blame the democrats and i blame the viciousness of the media as well, that that is accomplishing nothing. you know, and i just heard some of the comment that you had. on health care, for instance, if

i could get schumer in a room and sit down with him, say, senator, i don't get you. you keep talking about how terrible the house version of the obamacare thing is and how bad it is going to be in the senate. why won't you join in trying to make a better bill? i mean, don't you think, if they pass something that is going to be bad for your constituencies, that that is bad? where is the common sense, senator schumer in not wanting, staying out out of the policy completely? if you bo back in history, and you had, always had divide between republicans and democrats but somewhere along the line they would join and work on solutions together. the rhetoric now is so vicious that i don't know that they can just do it out of principle. that you're crossing the aisle, i think they will be attacked for doing it. i think the media has a lot to

do with this. i think that both sides, i wish that the president would sit down with leadership of the democratic party, around say, guys, let's cut it out. let's get together and let's start working together, accomplish what has to be accomplished. we have a great country. we have a wonderful future. there are things that have to be done. we need to create jobs. we need to have a safe environment. we have to make sure that people feel safe going out of their homes but we need to have jobs for people inç america and we have to take care of the infrastructure, all those things he is talking about. why aren't you joining in? let's shake hands on it, let's start out tomorrow and do things differently. let's try to do what is good for america and stop thinking about parties. i wish that could happen, neil. i just, if i were the president, i would do that today by the way. neil: yeah. hope springs eternal like you say, bernie, but i'm wondering

the atmosphere we live in environment this incident happened, night and day, that people take it to the next level to start shooting at u.s. congressman, but i'm reminded of this kathy driven fin, for art purposes, comedy purposes, has trump's head in her hand or cnn host call the president a piece of you know what or manhattan-based shakespeare theater purports to show donald trump in shakespearian role which he is killed and people have a good laugh over it, is the environment such now that it breeds dismissive, perfectly okay with the most horrendous thinking what do you think? >> yeah. no, i agree with you. i think it's, i mean every time you turn the dial, every time, just tune into late-night comic routines, you know, 11:30 at night you hear these routines that go on, they're not funny.

they're vicious. you know, laughing at things that are really harmful to people is maybe a new type of comedy in the united states but it's all part of this vicious cycle being fed bit politicians, which is being fed by the media. unfortunately you have sick whom beings like this guy with a gun today, that gets to him. this is only comedy. to him it was serious. to him i have to do something about it, and i will kill somebody to prove my point. i am so worried about the life of the president of the united states, paul ryan. i'm worried about the head of the senate. i think all of the politicians in washington have to be very concerned, and i think that the american people should understand, they got to stop this nonsense. if they don't stop it, and the people that support it by the way, and there are people out there, that are supporting a lot of organizations, who talk about

violence. and there are many entrepreneurs, and fill philanthropists supporting these things. they have to sit down and understand these things, you will reap the benefits of it.s there won't be benefits. it will be detrimental to this country. this a great country. i have lived here 88 years. there is no place in theç world like it. there is no country that comes close to it. why would you want to dramatically change it? it just doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense. so i hope somebody out there has a brain in their head. unfortunately many people in the media world especially because they are the ones that keep pushing it, and pushing it and pushing it, i think they're more interested in the amount of money they make on headlines than they are on what's going for this country. they ought to start thinking about that.

certainly the advertisers and people that fund money, push money into these things ought to have some kind of control over it. i think it's a sad day. it takes a great deal of reflection on everybody's part. i hope that, i hope that from both parties they're beginning to reflect on how dangerous this is to our way of life. how, and it can not continue this way. if they continue to dramaticsly say the president is not elected official, doesn't belong there, there will be other nuts like this that will be out there. there are plenty of nuts out there. you feed these people, before you know it they will do something dangerous. you i think they ought to cut it out now. neil: well-put, bernie marcus, the home depot cofounder on today's tragic developments, what if anything we can learn from them. hope springs eternal i guess. congressman robert pittenger is

with us. he was in a gym with speaker paul ryan when news of the shooting came out. he is a colleague with steve scalise. >> good to see you. neil: if you don't mind, i'm sure you've been asked once or twice, congressman and how you learned of it, and what happened? >> i was getting cleaned up. speaker is there every morning as well. i saw the speaker take off, start running. talked to one of the attending agents told us steve scalise had been shot and some other officers had also been wounded in the process. that is what we learned then. neil: we have since learned as you know, congressman, james hodgkinson, the 66-year-old from bellview, illinois, behind today's shooter, a bernie

sanders supporter. we have on very good authority he asked a united states congressman, came up to them prior, congressman desantis, telling us this, your colleague from florida, whether those playing on the field were republican or democrats. that made a difference. they were concerned enough to bring that toç authorities attention. what do you make of that just that? there was enough anger on the part of one individual, hardly typical of thinking goes on with this president or might not like your party to do what he did? >> the vitriol has to stop. i frankly was not a great supporter of all of president obama but you have to understand that he is president of the united states and you have a civil discourse. we need to have a civil discourse in this country. i have frankly in my district had more town halls than anyone ever had. i'm going to start up this year, finally, in august to have our town halls. i've been wanting to say, let's have a civil discourse.

stand up and agree with me. neil: congressman, they don't have civil discourse. i don't know your general leans, but thinking of your colleague, martha mcsally of arizona and tom gallagher, of virginia, heightened security, violence. gets pretty nasty, very scary. what do you make of all that? whether that tone will change? >> neil, would i say to your credit, you have a civil discourse with your program. i wish all programs communicated in like manner. i think all too often many get on there want to vent. they have a platform, a national platform they can share their emotions and their feelings and their accusations and i think unfortunately contributes in a negative way to the dialogue inside our country and i hope and pray, and i do believe in prayer, that our country will come to a more reasonable reflection of upon this incident. as nancy pelosi said, the speaker said a few moments ago,

this is an attack on all of us an an attack on our way of governing. we need to come together and work together to resolve these. yes, we have major differences with each other. we can share the differences. i'm a true federalist. i believe empowerment should go back to the states and not have that strong of a federal government. nonetheless, those were few ideas, let's get on tv to share them but not generate hostility, viciousness that come out around spewed out and stirred up so many people. i think it is the wrong approach. i think it is frankly counterproductive to people who want to change this country in a different way, are going to do. so, i'm hoping that we'll learn from this. there is great verse in the old testament, come, let us reason together. we need to reason. we have a great democracy. we have a great opportunity for discourse and that needs to continue. yes, we have sharp differences but we need to show respect one

for another. neil: you know, really beautifully-put, congressman. it begs a question i have had, i know a lot of people say this is an isolatedç incident or one gy who takes his anger to the level what he did and to do what he allegedly did i, that's, that's unusual. but i, i don't i think it is. i'll tell you why. because i think in an atmosphere like which have right now where comedians think it is funny to walk around with the head of donald trump or theater group in new york thinks it is funny talking about killing the president of the united states, i think all bets are off in an environment like that and some of the shakier characters can seize on that, and feed into that and act on that. i think this could happen on the right or the left. that is what worries me, that people express relief this shooter is dead, this is an isolated event, move on, i don't know if we can, what do you think? >> no, i certainly do agree.

i think we're challenged in this entire environment. i think it is contributed on the discourse between each other. we need strong relationships. i have friends on the hill. keith ellison, he a friend of mine. we don't agree on much at all. we traveled together, trip related to terrorism finance to south america because drug lowered are linking with terrorists. we are doing one bill, a credit bill for people that don't have good credit. we are cosponsoring that together. there is ways we can find common ground where we can, look for those opportunities. when we do have differences, let's share those differences but in respectful way. i think we can get our point across. i think we can move the ball down the field in the way we think is best on each side. let's do it in a manner that is

respectful. neil: that is well-putt. >> i'm hoping that will come out of this tragic event, well-put, congressman, thank you very, very much. to the congressman's point, people are pretty good. there are people good to core but there are, but developments like this are plain wrong. what does that mean. kevin paul scott, charlie gasparino. you know, charlie, the reason many looked at the markets today and expressed relief, that the markets didn't panic on this, because it is not 9/11-like, or sadly this is part of our lexicon, we're getting used to it. what do you think? >> markets are pretty rational to some extent. net-net, they unfortunately look at it not as a major economic event but as a tragedy. i will say this though. if you look at some, if you want to sort of glean some public policy implications from stocks,

and you can doç that at times,i hate to reduce a tragedy to this, but this is part of it, gun stocks initially ran up dramatically. the reason why, they thought something like this would impact cause gun control and people would buy guns faster. that is what you see here. the other thing, that one thing struck me from your last two, last two guests, including most particularly bernie marcus, a man i admire a lot for what he has done for the country, what he has done for the business world, the notion that somehow the media is responsible for this. neil, we're all for civil discourse. you have one of the most civil, tough, discourses on your shore that i have everybody been on. i've been on a lot of shows, cnbc, nbc, you name it. been on msnbc, cnn, you name it. you run a civil discourse. but i am telling you that uncivil behavior, both in politics has gone on for many years before, before the 24-hour

news cycle. people have been doing bad things, well before the advent of cable news. neil: no doubt. >> kind of blaming on media -- neil: particularly pronounced now? not necessarily blaming the media, but the environment with so many news entities and social media sites this is 24/7 problem? >> there is two-ways of looking at it, neil. people to vent their frustration and their opinion have many outlets to do so in a civil way, not necessarily killing. neil: true. >> there have been presidential assassinations and assassination attempts before the 24 hour news cycle. neil: you're absolutely right. >> to lay this on the media, it is a kinard. listen there are nuts, there always will be nuts. listen you can blame this on gun control or lack of it. or say, if one of those, somebody else was armed they might have killed him faster. ta million ways.

neil: i hear you. >> charlie manson existed, before massive gun control laws? neil: you're right about that. kevin, let me ask you a little bit about that, whether you blame it on the media or not, there is a case for that, case against it but i do know the environment right now is very tough for anything to get done. republicans are working on their own plan to come up with health care and tax cuts because they can't get democratic help. democrats complain because you don't really ask, we'll not work with you, ps, we hate you, back and forth, back and forth. i wonder if in this environment anything gets done. republicans for the moment have run of the table with control of house, white house and senate. is that enough to close the deal, so it might behoove them to reach across the aisle, vice versa. do you see thatç happening? >> i think about all things working together for good.

today is a terrible situation. it is a terrible tragedy, often times it leads to, this dehumanization that is happened, helps us to see humanity in people again. to me one of the starkest scenes today, democrats coming around praying for republicans who had been, sometimes, terrible horrible things like this happen and maybe some good comes out of it. we realize there is some policy difference. neil: absolutely. >> these are all people that want to make the country better. neil: not everybody is a james hodgkinson takes anger at the right trying to kill congressman. he could have killed many more had capitol hill police, had not been there. charlie, your thoughts? >> gets back to my earlier point. i want everybody to work together. we all do. we want more civil discourse. that is all great. but to suggest that you know, because of this lunatic taking his anger out on on a bunch of

republicans everybody getting together, everybody praying that should somehow end policy debates in this country is crazy. >> it shouldn't end the policy debate. it should put a face to the policy debates. >> really, a nutjob? a nutjob put as face to -- >> just like 9/11, terrible tragedy, brought our country together. sometimes terrible things can happen and america is resilient and brings us together and allows us to see our commonalities more than our differences. that is amazing thing. the. neil: doesn't really last long. >> unfortunately not. >> neil, i have been on cable news with liberals, with conservatives -- neil: they both hate you. >> some of them hate you. i actually like rachel maddow who i have been on tv with. you can do that, you don't need. neil: you're right about that. >> you don't need a nutjob to help you reflect on that with this tragedy.

neil: i guess what i'm asking, kevin, maybe you can help you, will people pause long enough all right, to say i see a little bit of good in this republican piece of legislation or vice versa, i see a little bit of good in democrats concern about gutting medicaid if that is a big concern in this latest incarnation, that the two sides could broach that. what do you think of that, kevin? >> i think there is going to continue to be very vigorous policy debates. hopefully it will lead to saying, those republicans at the end of the day, they're not trying to take health care away from people with preexisting conditions. they're not trying to steal health insurance from old people. that is not what they're about. they're trying to find a solution that is best for all americans thatç works. that affordable, that we can do. again the debate doesn't stop. we have different approaches to it. but if we could just tone down the level of -- >> but did the republicans actually step back, listen,

there is no more vigorous opponent of president obama's policies than me and neil cavuto, but the republicans step back and say, we need to tone down the rhetoric that you know, barack obama is destroying the country, destroying the fabric of the country, trying to make us into modern day soviet union? no, they didn't. >> no, not as much as we need to. you're right. >> listen, nor maybe they should, one thing to act like an adult, understand the person is not evil but his policies are bad. i think most people engage in that. to divine there is something really wrong here because one lunatic did something who is probably not influenced by mainstream media. who knows what this guy's influence. could be the bible for all i know

the republican whip in house of representatives survivor could have been a blood spree today that was stopped by his capitol hill police protection unit. they reveal my wine who has gone to challenged the shooter right now who could have had free reign and done a lot more. rainfall indicating he was that this thing that had this capitol hill police. it would've been absolute total

carnage. but we do know at this point that the shooter, city six -- the city 6-year-old james hodgkinson. bernie sanders has since come has since come out with this statement. he does not speak for me. if violence doesn't speak for me. violence does not speak for me. adam shapiro at the scene at alexandria, virginia with the very latest. what can you tell us? >> well, the other people shot this morning, we can give you updates on them. capitol police officers who mentioned common david bailey and special agent cristal greiner expected to be okay. we were told she was actually shot in the foot. he's expected to be okay and we also learned within the last hour that matt mica, a lobbyist for tyson foods is one of the people injured. so five people were injured in the shooting. as you said, the perpetrator, the man who appears to have been the shooter, james hodgkinson

from belleville, illinois is dead. now, the president spoke with then the past two hours bringing people together and uniting people after a tragedy like this and this is what he said. >> we may have our differences, but we do well in times like these to remember anyone who serves in our nations capital is be here because of of all they love our country. we cannot agree that we are blessed to be americans, that her children deserve to grow up the nation at peace and that we are strongest when we are unified and when we worked together for the common good. >> you were talking about bernie sanders because this man, 66 children's hodgkinson who has been identified as the shooter and pronounced dead with a

bernie sanders supporter and volunteer. bernie sanders put out a statement today that i condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. real change can only come through nonviolent action and anything else right against our most deeply held american values. one other thing is iraq appear, neil, the republicans were playing baseball this morning are practicing for the congressional baseball game which is a fun event that raises money for charities, republicans versus democrats, democrats versus republicans. when you're talking about the overtones of this morning it's important to remember despite the rhetoric that the men and women are capitol hill often have relationships with one another outside of the politics. it's not uncommon they say harsh things publicly that they are spiteful and friends behind the scenes. back to you. >> i oftentimes think it's like recessional wrestling. i hate you, you hate me.

speaker paul ryan a few minutes ago saying this is an attack on all. take a look at it. >> we are united in our shock. we are united in our english and attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. [applause] neil: what is now bush for going campaign advisor max toronto and citizens for self-governance mark mackler. this talent today of a lot marker rockery closeness, and we all breathe the same air, harkening back to the differences between parties and nations. how long does that last?

>> it lasts about 10 seconds because the reality is and it's politically incorrect to say that i will save for the grassroots. this is a result of a year-long campaign of rising fascist violence on the left. dehumanizing opponents, conservatives, dehumanizing republicans, holding a severed trump heads showing the bloodiest assassination of trump. this is the logical result of that. the left has to take a deep, hard look at themselves and see if this is what they believe. neil: taken it to the level this guy did shoot a u.s. there is this visceral anger out there where we become, too often joke about donald trump's head on a spike very broad way, you know, new york city show that makes fun of that. that is carried to the next

level and i'm wondering if it worries you. >> es. it worries me that somebody would shoot anybody, but certainly members of congress. he's unfortunately dead so he can't get any answers on what exactly drove him if he was disturbed and happen to be by coincidence, but i will say this is not sent and to be politicized today. the fact that mark went into the direction after what was said earlier is practically part and parcel of what was the matter here. if not something that happened overnight. it certainly happened over the last decade. kathy gifford when she was then shot -- gabby gifford was a much more critical condition. sarah palin had aim and fire on her category. neil: he can go back and forth

en masse. >> i understand each one wanting to take that respective view. today of all be fine. i want to ask you whether any of this you are seen in different presidents times than this president's time, but it has gotten to the point where washington is beyond frozen in place and getting everything done, whether it's the violence, and the increasing attacks on each side. but nothing gets done. who makes a middle ground because that i know we look at with disdain as a retreat. ronald reagan compromised, bill clinton compromised. harry truman compromise. there is mention to democrats into republicans. what do you make of that? >> the unity we are witnessing today in this oratory will only

last for moments, literally just moments. given until at the very latest monday morning before the attacks on pleasant entrance continued again. that is part of the problem that we've come a long way. there were republicans, including me, who are serious against president obama. the rhetoric now against president trump. you can even possibly compare the two. it is so much more pitcher alec, violence base. i don't care what this guy mans party registration less. i don't care what method he used. it doesn't really matter. the problem that exists is the mainstream media care what it is. if the tables were turned, it was a trump supporter who attacked democrats practicing for tamara tamara no-space looking cometh immediately media would portray this much more differently. neil: i will say this. all the media going nonstop on this. so i'm not going to go there. i will say this.

bernie sanders himself was speaking on this capitol hill attack and the guy behind it being one of his core supporters. i want you to react to this, guys. take a look. >> madam president, i have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the republican baseball practice this morning as someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. i am sickened by this despicable act. and let me be as clear as i can be. violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and i condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. real change can only come about through nonviolent action and anything else runs counter to our most deeply held american

values. i speak for the entire country that my hopes and prayers are that representative scalise, congressional staff and the capitol police officers who are wanted make a quick and full recovery. i also want to think the capitol police for heroic actions. >> that was bernie sanders a few moments ago. what is the next step now? if you wanted the outbreak of the senator sanders, you are right. what would you recommend? >> first of all, congratulations to senator sanders. he was the only appropriate thing to say under the circumstances. what people like him should do is sleep away in toning down the rhetoric. mark said it well. the rhetoric is intense, violent, aggressive against the president, republicans, conservatives, christians.

we need to tote on the rhetoric of forever going to work together. >> much has been made of the student demonstrations at berkeley and elsewhere that doesn't entertain another point of view even when a speaker comes to their college be something else they find conservatives. this isn't the time i want to set a moment might not agree, the university or berkeley, we're not going to do any of this that even hints being totally hearing other points of view. >> , civil protester while most of the students were doing a civil protest, whether walking out or turning their back, which is very different from obviously what is the shooters today. point of personal privilege, neil, i almost didn't want to come today because for me i'm a democrat. my father-in-law who i love dearly as a republican. my father actually considers himself a conservative and i

don't like the tone that's already been said by a couple speakers here talking about against conservatives, fascist, everybody. >> let me finish what i'm saying. let me finish what i'm saying. what i am saying in his everybody's on match. a lot of people are very upset about what happened today and by saying the mainstream media would portray at this particular way. though, all of the networks have been covering it today. it's a very scary thing that happened than we do need to take a step back on the rhetoric we are having. neil: i'm glad you came. i could only think i was a dealbreaker for you. >> the democrats need to disarm the rhetoric. >> see, this is exactly. >> stop it. just stop it. >> demonstrated leadership.

how about showing the leadership and stability and unity. >> i'm not talking about your pare show that unity and stability. stick to policy. have a policy debate. they need to disarm there with a nice political rhetoric or that's what has to happen from here. neil: a lot more both ways. i went to thank you all. i'm glad we had the discussion just the same good jeff flock is getting more details on the suspects background. the one behind the attacks are the first place. what are you hearing? >> yeah, james hodgkinson with the criminal activity i guess you could say or at least when it came in contact with police down at his home of bellevue -- belleville. here is what we've got coming meal. apparently had difficulty back in the year 2006 in the raising of his daughter. she left home.

he was at one point accused of two counts of battery and two points of damage to a motor vehicle as he tried to get her to come home. he also fired a gun at that point, had a gun ten away from him. he did have a valid card at that time. they cant termine whether it valid card now. his last contact with police as a decade later. earlier this year in march of this year on 324 when neighbors filed a complaint that shots had been fired around his residence. police officers went to his residence, found that he had a gun and he admitted he did discharge it. the officer told them don't do that again. he had a card at that time. presumably he still did when he committed whatever he did today. other than him filing complaints about other residents in town who damages property for whatever reason apparently he

had a personality that caused the police to come in contact on multiple occasions. nothing major in terms of that. neil: nothing of ideas doing. neil: former n.y.p.d. commissioner and security expert with us. to you first on what happened today if not for the capitol hill police, obviously this could have been very different, but those who were assigned to protecting congressmen scalise. could've been a very different outcome. >> absolutely. police officers respond to their training. they run toward shooters while other people run away. if anything good comes out of today, i think miller's the public to the fact that police officers do their job every day in a very good manner and they should be commended for it otherwise there'd be lots of other bodies out there.

neil: you know, one of the things that's been raised is maybe i'll congressmen and that they need protection. maybe they should be just provided to the leadership. i know on capitol hill grounds for example they'll get that, but off capitol hill grounds. this could be a slippery slope. what you think about? >> i do think it's a slippery slope. there's a lot more we don't know that but we do know. we do know this is a politically motivated active shooter that selected a soft target intentionally at this particular point in time to affect this type of rampage. we know that to be true. as you start collecting more information, will also say this particular advert individual this age probably had the mental health issues going on. that would not be surprising at all his law-enforcement continues to profile. the bigger picture about politically motivated whether congress should have protection or not. the one thing that speaks volumes here is the fact that if capitol police were not on-site,

going back to what congressman said, this would be a killing field. there's no question about that. they mitigated this been a lot worse than what it was. >> we are learning a lot about hodgkinson, the 66-year-old alleged attacker that would have been these that would have at least a warranted follow-up. you know, it is easy for me and others to play monday morning quarterback and assigned either ignorance or lack of policy and part of officials who had no way of knowing that they might that would do something like this. what are we doing here that still grasping in england when they knew exactly what he was up to. in fact, there was video warning and raging about the same kind of thing. being that there is a big difference between tracking people associated with a system that cannot people who are disturbed. one of the things we can do in

this country is start looking not at taking guns away from people, but how we regulate ownership of guns. we should be looking at mental health records. we should be required to one senior inspection of weapons and we should be doing safety inspection and take a good look law-enforcement officers or go into monitor 350 individuals. >> as i'm talking you, this is coming to us from san francisco where ups is reporting four people injured. area hospitals in san francisco in san francisco and the shooter there was only identified. we don't know much more than that. of course the issue paul has

always raised about copycat events. but you look for it so maybe there's a more heightened awareness for this sort of thing. how do you keep the calm? how do authorities keep the common a daily lives? >> the interesting part is it really doesn't seem that these events have any connection whatsoever. when you look at san francisco, what authority is really need them at the same thing you saw of a week ago that other municipalities have my enforcement agencies implement shooting such as this to let them know it is under control in the area is safe. the issue you will see as you peel back the onion in tampa and sisters markers to profile as it relates to what was foreseeable and not for see how bull. police departments will continue to send a message. the commissioner is saying police will send a message out

to situations like this are under control and are in fact save. what areas they shouldn't go to and what areas they should go. neil: we are getting a few more details. sorry you hate you at as it develops. san francisco police confirmed a shooting out of the ups facility in a nearby neighborhood. i guess that the terror, i hope i'm pronouncing that correctly, they didn't release much information on the entries or for that matter the shooter. shop owners quoted saying they heard about five to eight rapid gunshots. the next thing he knew, there was a mob of ups drivers running down the street screaming shooter, uniformed ups employees were let out and the land by officers next to the hallway. they are under lock and key in a locked down effect they are. what happens in stories like

this and clearly i'm not relating the two developments today, but this is something senator rand paul had raised in the case of the attack on congressmen scalise and others in virginia, that what brought down the gun man were guys with guns. they had guns on the other side. the carnage could have been averted. i know this is something police forces wrestle with. what you make of that argument? >> you know, there's two sides to this argument. the fact is somebody who's trained in is somebody who's trained in the study as a weapon probably could mitigate a situation like that. on the other hand, everybody having a weapon and shots being fired all over the place, are going to have our people injured. i am for a citizen's right to carry a weapon as long as they are checked out, trained and responsible. just willy-nilly given everybody weapons in this country think

would be a real disaster. it comes back to what i said before. i'm sure ups has an active shooter training responds and is probably what happened here hopefully. what we need to do is we need to get people to have some responsibility for the weapons they have. for instance in virginia, i've been a shooting ranges in virginia or people are firing automatic weapons all over the place and i have no idea what kind of training responsibility or backgrounds they have. that is something we have to look into. not take weapons away. be responsible in how they are used. neil: gentlemen, i want to thank you both. bar my trying to connect these incidents. on the report this because the data development. we would be reporting live if we didn't have developments in the washington d.c. area today. again, they are not connected for certainly don't appear to be. reaction now from republican congressman ron costello. he missed a right to his baseball practice this morning

which all of us went down. i'm glad you are well. how are you doing now? >> well, my sense of relief comes about through knowing that steve, the two security detail and the two staffers were getting good reports that they'll be okay. that's the most important thing that they are okay and their families are going to be okay. it is shocking in my particular case having mr. riordan that the only reason i was in a manner in the line of fire. i have my own sort of personal journey within myself over how scary it was. but i think the most important thing here is those of us who serve in congress, staffers, elected officials, we are all good people trying to do the right thing. this is a sad day. i hope it's a reminder to the american people that we are human beings and this is something we all need to guard against them realize when we disagree about things, we can disagree on policy but we want to make sure we respect one

another and if there is a toxic article culture, we should all try to bring about more civility and to lower the temperature. my concern is that they met have been today, we need to condemn it and also pray for the full and speedy recovery of everybody who was shot at today. neil: congressman, if you cannot date me, not aware of the full story, they chew obviously play on the baseball team. you were waiting for a ride at home or where? what happens in the morning is a practice from 6:30 to 7:30. it's about a 20 minute drive up there. most members played by 6:00 a.m. brad winthrop who was actually there to aid, provide medical aid to steve scalise, he drives solaris hitch a ride with him, but we have an agreement that 6:00 a.m. when i leave if i'm not there, they just go, which is what happened. i showed up at 6:02.

i didn't get it right there. i texted them or are you guys? i went back to the gym and waited for another member to get in the car and i was going to hitch a ride with them, but i couldn't find another member. at 6:20 i decided i wasn't going to practice today. first time i suited up and couldn't find the right they are. i went back to my office about 7:00 a.m. and then heard on the television by seven or defy the clock news reports of this happening. the wide learn about it, the more i realize i dodged a bullet in a very literal sense. that hearing what happened with my colleagues who do practice and what happened with the shooter and how determined he was and how he was navigating the playing field is just a very scary situation that it's personally very close to me. >> what went through your head? you're a young guy, obviously you love baseball, love playing on the scene. and when it gets a better late for practice to get it ready for a big game.

so, what goes through your head now? >> i felt for quite some time now i have safety concerns at times. people want you to do town halls. that is fine. when they invite you at places and you have no control over the form for the venue, you just need to be careful where you live. you need to have an extra set of eyes that they are. most people that want to talk to you or who are looking at you like they might know you, they may just want to say hi to you or they may want to air their grievances are you to provide a public forum for them to yell at you are asking questions. that is part of our democracy. neil: the colleagues say i don't need this. this is not only dangerous, but asserted that i want no part of it. so they stop them. i misspoke there. he does some might think i'm

audio on the phone. people are concerned. they are worried not only for their safety, but other town hall participated safeties. so that it's a change. would he think of that? >> i agree with that. it's been my position while i have safety concerns, you need to create a forum to create that one-on-one group interaction. i feel very justified in having those concerns. my wife has very justified in having those concerns. members of congress have always felt that way. the public should just be aware that we are human beings. we have wives and children and parents and we want to make sure that we are engaged in this sort of dialogue that we do it in a way that has some safeguards in place so it done responsibly. sure you do do think the tone changes beyond today? we heard paul ryan and nancy pelosi seemed very nice things about each other, about the

institution they represent from different political views. what i can remember is the short-lived. what you think? >> i am one of those members that tries to bring about stability and if somebody attacks that try and find common ground and not take it in another direction. every elected official eyes opportunities every single day for a temperature is hot to cover the temperature or to make it hotter. look, republicans and democrats disagree on any number of different things and that's okay we have a democracy. the first amendment faithfully ensures we will continue to have debate and disagreement. i think it is important that the american public realizes that doesn't make us bad people and we are in this for the right reasons and we have a public responsibility to let people know how we feel that any number of different contentious issues. we should number one do it in a

form that is safe and number two, earned the respect of constituent so they know while they may disagree with us, that doesn't mean we are bad people and we are doing the best we can and if we may disagree to walk into or have a public event based on terms they want us to have, it might be for a reason unrelated to necessarily talk to them, but it might be about the form they chose for the manner in which they want us to have a town hall. in my case that had town halls but i do them on my terms. we know who's coming to the defense of their constituents and we usually have a couple sheriff's deputies for law-enforcement officials there, just to make sure in a civil safe way. >> no it is not. everyone safety comes first. thank you very much. appreciate it. neil: i was mentioning earlier that if the markets are panicking about this, they have a funny way of showing it.

the volume is much lighter than it was yesterday. i don't have the exact numbers so i apologize. i do want you to think had they succeeded at one of the highest-ranking republicans on capitol hill actually been killed or worse, if the capitol hill police were not there and not able to burn that what grandpa was there earlier but it's certainly been mass carnage. charles payne joins me right now. how many of these stories have you and i covered? that is an interesting point how bad this could have had. >> absolutely. during the different accounts of the bravery, whether it was jeff flake or joe barton for so many others, absolutely remarkable. i think the market itself -- i think if it was a more dangerous

injury or if he had somehow died, the markets probably would rebound, but again, i think you and i talked about this and it's happened more and more over the last few years. the frequency of these things have been boras said. they become deadly and they are becoming a part of the fabric of our lives, our everyday lives. trained to do we just get used to it? wo of the older kooks can remember this. i don't remember the atmosphere. that's all i'm saying. not to this degree. >> out of office barbiturates now or if we have more channels to hear that it's real. just like a moment ago you had an employee -- disgruntled employee shooting 10 years ago, certainly 20 years ago, we would've never heard about that in new york city. so with this many channels, this many social media devices. you can also argue this actually

feed on itself also. part of the kerosene make in the problem even worse in these incidences where you have people making fun of our comics having a field day with donald trump. as i feed the beast? >> it does feed the beast. i'm looking on social media and people lashing out at liberals in a way they would want liberals to lash out at them. in other words, everyone's got to take one step back and say how would i want people to discuss this because you know, the anger and the pendulum swings back so much. there is no doubt liberals progressive loss. it's a bitter loss for them. they really have removed all sense of decorum, all sent -- there are no rules. if this is a botching max -- boxing match, there would be no rules. trade too much is said with regard to the heightened sense of anxiety and even potential violent.

you know, each side says the right staff. fine, fine. but does it change the behavior or the likelihood that democrats were quick republicans and republicans democrat. i don't know. >> if we can get back to what paul ryan and nancy pelosi that the back. if that can last more than five minutes, we would get something done. i like to also see some people say maybe i've been a little bit to brass. because the finger pointing always comes at this. if a couple folks came out and said aba could've toned it down here and there, that will go a long ways. ultimately, people of america are frustrated with this. they've been frustrated with it politically. that's in part by the lack of an outsider and we've seen this repeated all over the world are politicians have let us down. you'd think they would wake up. he would honestly believe that

some point the alarm goes off over and over again, but at this point dilemmas often bloodshed and that. neil: one of the things that is also, but this is the sense that we are losing control. the system itself is sort of unraveling. that may be an overreaction, but this feel particularly among young people is a sense of cynicism about the whole system and that it is turning on itself. what do you think? >> i agree a thousand%. 1000%. all big institutions are so skeptical, so skeptical. my son is not a basketball fan, but he's been watching the nba finals any kind of talked about maybe the last game was rigged, where they came back. neil: i thought it was rigged, too. >> because there is so much money involved. young people, but everyone, listen, why not be skeptical? we then went down a lot by all

the people in these institutions that we elevated to take care of us. >> you are questioning everything. >> use less of a believer than i am. neil: an old kook like me? thank you, my friend. charles payne with a lot more of this tonight. if you want another real score back on it got to watch. the republican governor joining us to talk about these developments. others on health care because let's not lose sight of the fact that is still being debated on capitol hill and those guys turned on trade return to work tomorrow. so did the senate, by the way. good to have you. thank you for coming. >> neil. thanks for having me. neil: charles payne and i were talking about hope springs eternal democrats and republicans can put aside differences, try to carve out middle ground on issues that

americans want to see action on. maybe not to each side the exact liking, but enough to move it out of the inbox. what do you think? >> i'm still hopeful and optimistic they can get that done. the dialogue in the debate is healthy and helpful in the way need to continue to find a compromise in a way we can provide answers that iowans and americans are looking for. especially when it comes to health care. health care is unaffordable, unworkable, unsustainable. and i would certainly seem that play out at this point if we aren't able to move forward with the stopgap proposal we put in place. we will have 72,000 iowans that won't have health care coverage come 2018. and so, as they are continuing to work on a solution, i believe they can still get there, but we had to come up with a solution. i'm very appreciative of the

white house. with that with them, they talk about giving states the flexibility to meet the needs of their constituents that we represent. ask our commissioner, our insurance commissioner, commissioner drug all men to work with our partners as well as carriers in iowa and find a solution that we could take to the white house that at least would provide an alternative for 72,000 iowans until they can get repeal and replace past in washington d.c. neil: the president turned the house effort to repeal and replace obamacare. it's heartless, cold, maybe the senate can do a better job. a surprise many in the house that he thought he liked what they came up with it what you think? >> well, i think we need to have the senate get something passed. i believe they will in they will make in a conference committee and start working out the

details. we can get everybody ran the table and figure out what we can do to provide sustainable and long-term health care of options for americans and iowans. we didn't have the luxury of waiting, so we put together a solution that will help bring young people in healthy people back into the individual market and that is what we need. it collapsed because we had young people because of the high cost of premiums stepping out and not getting insurance. in iowa, we've seen premiums increased 110% over the last five years. neil: i misquoted the president. he actually called what was celebrated with the house republicans in the rose garden last month has mean, that the health care bill was me in what has came up with. obviously, you have a different view on these things read more medicaid funding on the rest of the president's budget curtails the growth of that in the

future. do you argue that approach is wrong? >> i think that we need to -- i mean, you have to look at both sides. what was done in iowa is we took a look at using age and income-based tax credits as well as providing a reinsurance for kerry or so we could provide that instability, kind of a guard rail that would help with some of the high cost individuals over 100,000. so as we look to really maintain and provide coverage for iowans for americans, we need to look for ways to reduce premiums, provide stability and the individual market. iowa had a robust, low cost competitive individual market and when they passed obamacare, took away choice, raise premiums, took away options and therefore had a collapsing market. they talked a lot about what we

are appreciated from the state's perspective is the opportunity to provide some flexibility. so what we proposed in the stopgap proposal that we have brought before the white house and met with administrator seamounts or not, it gives us the flexibility we are looking for. the flexibility and dollars that were already awarded to mr. obamacare, that gives us more flexibility with how we utilize dollars so we can encourage more young people in healthy people to move into the individual market. neil: do you think today's tragic happenings, it could've been more tragic, the comments made by prominent democrats and republicans that they joined at the core premise speaker reinstein attack on one is an attack on all, that the tone may be changing where each side is more open to working with the other or do you think that is a short-lived phenomenon?

>> well first of all, my thoughts and prayers go out to congressman scalise and his family and those shot the shooter. what a sad day come a senseless act. we have so many important issues that are facing this country, whether it is health care, security, growing the economy, giving americans the skills they need to fill the jobs available not only today, but the jobs of tomorrow. the debate in the conversation is healthy and that is how we get to compromise. a civil discourse is gone and we have to get past that, focus on the issues that we are facing as a country and really look for opportunity to move those initiatives forward. i'm optimistic that the united states will get something done with health care. they are talking about coming to some consensus and look at the conference committee can i get that done.

we are hopeful and believe we will still see tax reform for washington d.c. and that will have an impact on iowa in states all across this country and continue to look for ways that we can maintain the safety of a iowans and americans across this country. so we have an obligation as elected officials to find a way to sit down, how the conversation, but we also need americans and iowans to recognize these are individuals that have sacrificed to serve on behalf of then. as he read many others say, they are dads and moms and their parents and children. they need to realize they are human beings. they are doing their best to really represent the issues. even though there is a difference of opinion, there's opportunity to find it. neil: thank you for taking the time. appreciate it. >> thank you. neil: the governor i were chatting. we are learning more about james hodgkinson, the 66-year-old who

was reportedly behind the shooting today, a former bernie sanders volunteer who was killed in the shooting. a friend and a colleague or someone who knew an acquaintance said he wasn't evil, seemed like a nice guy, was tired of the politics going on. i can see how fed up u.s. especially in illinois, but nothing seemed to telegraph what he would do. he would stand up for himself. today he did. we will have more after this

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neil: all right. less than 15 minutes away on the fed decision. the growing consensus seems to be hiked rates another little bit or a percentage point. a good barometer for how the bond market is feeling at this point. coming down a little bit and that of course has prices going up a little bit. the quality not too unusual on days like this. overspend doug collins joins us right now for the beautiful state of georgia.

congressman, you're not the only one. so many of your colleagues did. i'm wondering if that anger for lack of a better term is part and parcel of what has to be done. what you think? >> i don't think so. it's a very fractured society. we are a society where we invite controversy, discourse, people to actually engage. what makes him appear, we don't lose their passion for issues. what we've got to understand is those issues that men and women who serve in congress and even our folks at the end of the day, neil: not all the time. not blaming one side or the other. i guess that a lot of people say we foster a sense of decorum. that doesn't necessarily be the

beastly actions of one day today, but it does make you wonder about what is happening. this incident notwithstanding that it's getting kind of nutty out there. >> welcome it's getting to the point that it's a hard time to have been honest conversation about where we may agree or disagree. that is an honest problem. when i do my telephone town hall, just the other day one of our telephone town halls they said you don't represent me because i do not agree with him. i said i'm listening to you. just because i don't agree with representing you. i think we've got to understand is a position where we can disagree and move forward through the rancorous getting out there where people do take unfortunately too take unfortunately to extremes like we saw today. neil: and was wondering, you know, some of your colleagues have expressed concern about going forward on his town hall meetings, whatever you want to call them, that they've turned into professional wrestling

events where they are prescript did to get nasty. i don't know if that's the end because you want to meet with your insurance. we talked to one of your colleagues is that ice cream is going to have to make sure they are constituents. when you think of that? >> if i do an event in people show up, i represent my district first of course, but i also represent the state and the people. neil: do you want to know they are constituents first and armas? >> i think what we find is that they show up and are not against teacher, they have an issue they're going to talk about. what we do have to do is public officials answer people, listen people. we are very honest with folks. you can yell at me and scream at me, but if it's an opinion i hold dearly to me are screaming is not going to change my mind. the guy to also understand the tactic is not going to work on something i feel passionately about overhauling our health

care system. those are the kinds of things that i have ran on for a number of terms now in public life for well over 10 years. we are not going to change simply because somebody is not in yells at me. that is not something. there needs to be discourse in a cycle that happens every two years. that is where the motivation should be taken out. neil: whether it was during barack obama's presidency and republicans used to work with them, they were being excluded and now a lot of democrats pay for president trump, many of whom still questioned legitimacy even though he won the electoral vote them back in forth, back and forth. how is that ever going to be bridged? the talk we heard today paul ryan, nancy pelosi about, you know, finding common ground, you've heard all of that. will that last? >> i think it will if we continue to work forward it i'm not a pollyanna to think

everything is a tragic crazy man doing something today will change completely. i do think it is a reminder to members. there's times that we need to look at each other and we can disagree. we can actually get into heated discussions, but at the end of the day they go to families, i go home to families. this is a time for me and a reminder to elected officials and it was for me when i thought of blowing up this morning for my wife and kids and my dad, a reminder that there's bigger things in life than the halls of congress. i just love being able to serve people. at the end of the day, the people are with me for the rest of my life. it's a reminder when they come up here we do our work and go home. i would like for everyone watching today the humane disagree vehemently with doug collins. at the end of the day, that's why serve in the military and overseas. arafat should be taken out and discourse and not feeding a

visceral reaction to it is problem in for anybody still questioned legitimacy of the presidency and things like that. it's time to move on. neil: all right, congressman, thank you for taking the time. and the other day this to be the lead item we are talking about. the shooting today and the implications of that quite properly distracted the mainstream media. all media, business and others. but we have this other development. the federal reserve to increase interest rates. we could get an indication of that in just a few minutes. connell mcshane joins me, charlie gasparino as well. in light of the improving economy the federal reserve will indeed hike interest rates. what is your sense? >> that seems to be the way they are going. the other side of the journal had a pretty good story this morning as to what happens to janet yellen wants her term as that. we are getting to the point where president trump thinks

about keeping her around. seems like he wouldn't, but you never know and it's difficult to predict. neil: they said they are like and they both like low interest rates. >> low interest rate people. >> on the low interest rate kind of guy. i think this. i think she's probably going to raise rates. i think that's kind of big game. neil: or she doesn't agree to a cell? >> it showed the economy would be the worst. i think what you have to do is look at future rate hikes. it is this. listen to future rate hikes. i think that is what is coming. listen to what she has to say. neil: dismissal and have to impress or afterwards? >> yes. in that sense, listen to buy the bond is that. the reason that is going on is because bond investors are predicting things are going now and trump might not get his

economic stimulus package, the interest rate and thus bonds go well. stocks are us though marginally higher. about 14. it is singling the market might be overpriced. that is the take away investors have to look at. watch what she says here. it will be big for the next three to four months. neil: you guys look at tragic developments like today and we see this every now and then when something horrific happens it may be better angels will prevail in this case republicans and democrats can get something done, find middle ground. >> to use the term short time in a partially right about that. i remember from september 11 the horror of that day. i always remember the day after 2012 and all the dealings were born yet. a lot of us wish we were. i think the feeling we all

witness said were so genuine and real. >> i think for some legitimate reasons, i made this point before on your show. just a start policy debate going on in this country about where to bring the country. president trump during the campaign was very strident in the policy debate. going back for a while, he attacks the left every which way he can. >> i don't get a bite from what he really feels. now a little more than a month ago. >> that's what it's calling the house health care. what i'm saying is if we are going to just attribute crazy nuts like this to the environment, i guess you got to say president trump played some role in that. i now believe that. i think that's insane.

the policy of trump is interesting here. he is now basically saying and i think this is an underplayed story because of what happened today. last night brian schwartz, my producer got really good detail on this day he said the current health care plan that was passed by the house was over-the-top crazy. think about that. neil: these people work there but tough. where does this go? if they don't get a consistent fight for the president on this, he will have a hard enough time roping republicans and then just democrats. >> yeah, of course. forget about what happened today, even if it never happened, it was the lawsuit filed for example with 200 democrats on board suing the president. obviously no republicans involved did not. how many legislative days to react until the august recess? 20 something now. not enough time left to get

anything done. neil: there's a lot of middle ground. there could be a way of finding agreement on medicaid. there could be a way to marry infrastructure with the tax cut. but they don't even try. both sides. neither approach is the other. >> you've got to live democrats more in this one. democrats see blood in the water. despite what people are saying i think the history has proven for the last, even just recent

history, 10, 15 years always the case. every time it happens you hope not but always is. neil: thanks. we're waiting for federal reserve. this is day most seem to think janet yellen and company will raise interest rates. the yes by how much, what they say afterwards. trish regan to take you through all of that. thanks, trish. >> thank you, neil. we're seconds away from federal reserve decision whether it will raise short-term interest rates for the second time this year. we're following all breaking news outside of our nation's capitol. a gunman opening fire during a congressional baseball practice this morning injuring house majority whip steve scalise and overly others. i'm trish regan, welcome "the intelligence report." as i said we're seconds away from the fed. we'll also have a live report from the scene of that horrific shooting a little later in the show. i want to keep a close eye on the markets.

we're still in positive territory. the expectation the fed will raise the benchmark interest rates, maybe a quarter of a point. investor watching closely to see what they're going to say about the future, the future rate hikes. how quickly will they move going forward? what is the state this economy is in? go to blake burman. >> rate hike, trish. yet another rate hike. federal reserve increasing the fed funds rate at quarter of a point. it stands at 1%, to 11.25%. not unanimous. neel kashkari the lone dissenter. the federal reserve board of governors talked about economic activity rising moderately. business fixed investment continues to expand and job gains have moderated. inflation appears to be a concern here as they say it declined recently and is expected to remain somewhat below 2% in the near term amounts it relates to the la