to fire the special counsel, i don't know what could be. steve forbes great to see you, ned ryun, eat to see you. ned ryun, eat to see you. >> i'm very capable of changing to anything wants to change to. down* i'm sick of both these people and sick of the endless coverage of them. most of what they will do will be bad. the best comes from the private sector. but people look to government. they think it's sharing. so when people propose better, private solutions, they get booed.

america, don't boo. private is better. that's our show tonight. private's better? that doesn't sound right to people. private seems selfish, secretive. by contrast, public or government-run sounds like sharing. we are all in this together. i have this phone because it was invented without government. first they had to give the developers permission. government was barely aware

people were working on this thing. permissionless innovation is a beautiful thing. to the author of this book, this permissionless innovation that brought us google, facebook, the phone, is threatened now? >> it is, john. there are a lot of efforts to impose permission-based. john: drones, they are inventing all kinds of things but the government says you can't do it news get an faa license. >> there are hypothetical worst cases that could occur, and they end up basing policies off the worst case scenarios. if you base it off worst case scenarios, you will never get the best case scenarios.

john: they weigh less than asea guls -- than sea gulls which planes hit all the time. john: so drone makers are going overseas? >> a lot of them are basing their testing in canada and australia. a lot of driverless car companies are going there as well. think about 20 years ago if mark zuckerberg of facebook or 1250e6 jobs or anybody from google had to come to the federal communications commission and get their blessing to operate. you have to wonder how many of them would exist today. john: how come all these things were invented in the united states rather than europe?

>> america got it right with our public policy towards deck tall technology the first time around congress and the clinton administration put in place policies that per permissionless based. they gave them the green light. but that is already change. we have forgotten the lessons of the past where america went out and conquered the world. our companies are household names. conquered the globe. john: at the beginning of the computer revolution, france said we are going to control this. they created a computer company. they gave people computers. throw out your yellow pages and use these. they have them in five different colors. they were going to be the leader according to the media i read. >> france took an industrial

policy approach to the internet. but that's not the way innovation happens. you have to create the right environment and let the innovators invite. john: now europe threatening google. the right to be forgotten. >> this is a threat to history and journalism. they will scrub issue away with the so-called right to be forgotten. john: there are some mistakes out there, my reputation can be smeared. somebody googles me. let me start with a clean slate. the courts in europe said right you deserve that. >> if we have a global internet censorship regime, that will be a disaster. the whole internet will look like china or soviet russia. there will always be a way to

find information. but europe wants to impose its censorship regime on the rest of the world. our fda, the food and drug administration, very heavy handed doesn't want to allow for that sort of thing and they are driving innovators offshore. we have three printers that can manufacture amazing thing. including what you saw today. prosthetic hand for children with limb deficiencies. volunteers were making on the spot these prosthetic hand for kids. but technically what they are doing is illegal. even though it's being done free very cheap for parents who need these things for kids that usually cost thousands of dollars. john: they probably got away with it because they were volunteering their effort. >> basically everything changes

when you charge even a penny for something. whether it's drones or virtual reality. you do it in the sharing sense. as soon as you want to charge a penny, you are going to be regulated. john: think about the tsa. americans assume airport security is something that must be run by government. tsa screeners are slow, sometimes rude, and random tests show most of the type they fail to find forbidden items. i think tsa stand for thousands standing around. now airlines warn security lines will get even worse this summer. so many airports want to switch from the tsa to private airport screeners. >> the tsa chief is in washington to meet with airport officials after wait lines got so bad they may replace the tsa

with private screeners. viewn * a few big cities did get permission to try something different. the lines are short at france airport. they move quickly and passengers say the screeners are nice. >> people here are friendly and willing to help. >> they are a little more understanding. >> ebb is a lot more friendly than dallas. reporter: dallas and the other big airports employ government screeners. san francisco was allowed to hire screeners from a private company. they were twice as good at finding contraband. why would private screeners be nicer and better. here is a reason. they practice. the fastest screen letter win $2,000. there is even dramatic music. the tsa trains its screeners,

too, but not like this. in this competition screeners race to search bags and identify forbidden items. here is a pipe bomb, and they rush to recheck the bag. they look at slide of people and try to remember details. how many buttons are on her sleeve. watch it. >> four. john: the private company makes these screeners specialists. >> usually it's did you go? yes. you tell a person your score, they will try to beat you and you want to be the winner. it's kind of like bragging rights. john: they get better with these contests? >> yes, they have to. privatized seems so selfish. i'll better making money. that's money coming out of my pocket. >> it's the american way. >> profit make you try harder.

>> we have to do well. if they don't do it well, they can get fired. but government rarely fires itself. private screeners have proven themselves so much better, 2 airports have persuaded the department of homeland security to use the private screeners. what else might speed air travel. privatizing air traffic control. so how would that work? and has it been tried? >> it's been tried in canada. there is nav-canada which isn't more efficient and less expensive than the air traffic controllers here. john: years ago they switched and everybody screamed the planes are going to crash and there will be lots of problems. >> no planes crashed and the number of flights are up 50%. it costs about 44 per % less per

traffic controller than it does now. it's liketronnic equipment we don't use. >> why do they do it when your government can't or doesn't? >> part of it is because this next gen technology requires fewer workers so there would have to be cutbacks. we have powerful unions here and they don't want any cuts in the w force. in the house bill that privatized the air traffic control, there is a bill in the house because the faa has to be reauthorized by the end of july. in the house there is a bill that includes privatization. john: you call it so-called privatization. >> it's so-called because it doesn't get rid of the union and the union would have to approve any transfer of personnel and services between the faa and the

so-called private air traffic control group. john: the air traffic controllers' union claims privatization would make air travel less safe. >> the problem is that the contractors in an effort to cut costs cut the number of controllers that are responsible for the safety of flights. john: sound logical. fewer people, more crashes. >> with the new technology, we don't need as many people as we used to. these driverless cars, for example. they communicate by text instead of voice commands. they think it's funny that we communicate with voice command. john: to show how cozy the politics are. congressman bill shoeser has pro

poised a partial privatization. >> the airlines for america, vice president of global affairs, an got $118,000 in campaign contributions for unions. and there is a cozy relationship between them. john: to join this argument please follow me on twitter. use the hashtag stossel like my facebook page so you can post on my wall. next, better private alternatives to government mass transit. a better way to go into space. launching an successfully landing its falcon nine rocket. it's the first time it's ever been done. been done. even better money.

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>> i can't afford a car right now, and i don't want one, so i make metro.

that's public transportation in los angeles. and taxpayers pay for the ad. people love the idea of public transportation. get people out of cars. reduce congestion. >> i figured out a way to make public transit part of my daily commute. that's how you do l.a. john: that's not how they do l.a. despite politicians forcing taxpayers to spend more on public transit. fewer people are taking it. now the department of public transportation. are you an extraordinary innovator? >> i try my best to be extraordinary every day. john: what are you going to do? >> the basic idea what we are trying to do is bring private sector innovation to l.a. metro by opening the door to private sector innovators to come to us

with ideas about new technology and ways to accelerate the buildout of our infrastructure. john: why can't lax just do it? why do you need the private sector? >> they are very nimble so they can adjust to changing technology morrapidly than the public sector can. and they bring competition. they are able to compete against each other and say here is a way we would do it that creates more benefits for taxpayers. >> why can't government be nimble? >> government can be nimble, it's just more challenging. i worked in large public and private bureaucracies. they have lots of policies in place and take longer to make decisions. the advantage of the private sector in this case. when they are able to work with the public sector on trying to come up with new technologies and innovations.

you get a public policy that's oriented toward what people want. and you get innovations that are what the market demands. john: los angeles has a long procurement process. >> any organization has a long procurement process. a series of policies have been put in place over the years, most of which were well-intentioned and trying to prevent corruption. but over the years have built up into a very large set of policies that make it difficult to procure things swiftly. john: if your county wanted to procure pencils, they couldn't just bow to the store and buy them? >> buying anything is more complicated when you have got a public entity. we want to buy pencils we want to make sure we are buying the pencils that provide the taxpayers with the greatest pencil quality at the lowest

cost and provide competition between the pencil distributors. john: at could take a year? >> we are hoping it will take a lot less time than that. john: what would help commuters is if they had the option to take the bus. as people move, bus routes can move. but buses aren't sexy. expensive trains are sexy. so california has hit up taxpayers for a bullet train. reporter: once governor brown set his sights on high-speed rail. it was cool. john: people found out what it would cost. $89 billion. >> my beef is the cost overrun for starters.

>> too expensive. we are taking on a huge debt load for an uncertain outcome. john: florida is building a train, too. but a private company is building it. >> a smarter way, an alternative to our state's crowded roads. >> that's how miami is getting connected. john: the private florida train will cost $3 billion. the first leg of california's bullet train will cost $30 billion. it gets a little further, but not much. why is it so expensive. >> the florida route was already in existence. they are not building a new right of way. john: isn't it bert they are not forcibly taking money from taxpayers? if they lose money, it's their own money. >> well, there are two sides to that coin. one, when you are talking about transportation being provided

by: a for-profit entity. what that means is it won't be accessible to everyone. one of the things we do as public transit providers is to make sure our system is accessible to everybody at all income levels. john: the california bullet train is $89 a ticket. how is that accessible to everybody? >> $89 a ticket is significantly cheaper than flying in many cases between those two cities. john: though you work for government, you acknowledge there are advantages to privatizing some things. many americans are mindlessly biased against privatization. east of here a long island official proposed privatizing bus lines. he got booed.

joshua, why do you think people are so hostile to this? >> there is this misconception this is taking tax dollars and giving them away to a for-profit entity. that's not the case when you are talking about transportation. even if the private sector gets involved, they are bringing greater cost certainty, they are bringing project delivery in a faster time, potentially cheaper and better because they are able to innovate in a way the public