rough week. david, thanks so much for being here. >> thank you, liz. [closing bell rings] liz: thank you, david dietze. markets close in the red. the s&p 500 finishing its second down week in a row as we hear the closing bell. what a day, david, melissa, i'm sure you have got more? melissa: absolutely. wall street whiplash for wild ride. look at dow popping on big news coming from the white house, before returning back sharply into the red, closing lower for the second day. the s&p, nasdaq, just turning negative as well. all three of the major averages negative for the week. i'm melissa francis. david: and i'm david asman. happy friday, everybody. this is "after the bell." here is what we have for you in a very busy hour. once again, the president's chief strategist, steve bannon is out at the white house. new details how this all went down, what happens now, and why investors on wall street were initially, anyway, cheering. meanwhile, you've got at least

19 conservative groups fuming over bannon's ouster, but check out the dnc's response. some wild stuff coming out of the beltway starting with their official statement. quote, there is now one less white supremacist at the white house. what is that all about? we'll talk about. the manhunt continues for the barcelona terror suspect expanding now beyond the spanish borders. what we know about the suspect and the victims coming up. melissa: and another big white house shake-up. president trump has decided to remove chief strategist steve bannon from his white house role. our own blake burman live at white house with the latest. blake? reporter: melissa, this one started boiling over last three or four days when steve bannon gave a interview to a liberal outfit, which undercut the defense position as it related to u.s. posture relating to north korea and an official at the state department. the rumblings kept growing

louder and louder. it today became official, president's chief strategist, with him down the homestretch of the campaign and been here yearly a year to the day, is out at white house. here is how the white house described final day or final moments with steve bannon. they say, and i quote, from the press secretary sarah huckabee sanders, john kelly and steve ban nan mutually agreed would be steve's last day. we're grateful for his service and wish him the best. while steve bannon is gone from the white house, he might necessarily disappear from the spotlight as he came to the then trump campaign from "breitbart news." several from within "breitbart" already taken to twitter this afternoon backing their old boss. it remains to be seen exactly where bannon goes from here, though that is certainly a vehicle that could keep bannon in the limelight and in the headlines for the trump administration going forward. as you mentioned, david, yes conservative groups come out on this day hoping that steve bannon would stay as a part of

the white house but we know how this all shook out. there is also another storyline we're following. you talked about the dnc and statement they put out, nancy pelosi, the top leader for the democrats of course in the house also released a statement along a similar line which she said the following, and i quote here, the trump administration must not only purge itself of the remaining white sue supremas on staff but abandon the bigoted ideology that clearly governs its decisions. i called over to pelosi's offices who they were referring to as white supremacists remaining on staff. that that refers to sebastian gorka, steven miller, two top policy advisors because of quote, their extreme views. that is pelosi's office, one of many storylines involving high-profile controversial person no longer here in the white house. melissa: i can not before they

would go to the extreme of calling those two white supremacists. that is a very serious charge. reporter: it is a serious charge, both dr. gorka and steven miller part of the white house apparatus. george today, there are reports circulating that he might be next, but either way, no matter what you call it, it is most certainly a serious charge for two people still on staff at the white house. melissa: blake, thank you. david: that is a serious charge without any evidence. that is what is most bothersome. invisitors cheered of bannon's ouster, spiking 140 points but they fell back into the red. nicole petallides on floor of new york stock exchange. i understand, nicole, why the markets went up with the news on bannon but why did they eventually come down? >> the trend is a little bit of a cautionary tone. we saw it yesterday we discussed disbanding of ceo council, fallout after charlottesville.

just controversy in washington. just taking their eyes off of the trump agenda, and then you have the barcelona attacks. today we did see market turn around. we went over the unchanged line 60 times today. the markets clearly turned around with news of bannon and with that, the talk ultimately as bannon leaves it brings more stability to the white house. gary cohn is more likely to stay, people like that and they can move forward with the agenda. we did move up after having been down over 100 points. we thought it might be two days in a row of triple-digit losses. we saw financials do well today. some names as goldman sachs were winners in the dow jones industrial average. we saw some of the retailers on the move. foot locker for example, after weaker-than-expected earnings, not as many basketball sneakers to the downside. the dow is down two weeks in a row for the dow and s&p. nasdaq an russell down four weeks in a row. the idea for more stability in

the white house going forward. david: i guess. nicole, thank you very much. have a great weekend. appreciate it. melissa. melissa: bring in today's panel for more reaction. carol roth, former entrepreneur and investment banker, robert kelly, former president george w. bush policy advisor. carol, let me start with you, what do you think about stocks turning around on this. >> what happens in the future? what happens next week? where are we? >> we have a very interesting dynamic, melissa, we have mixed information coming out in terms where the economy is, some down with foot locker, up with gap and estee lauder. not sure what that means for the consumer. you have the political chaos on top of it. in this particular environment, it is summer. we're heading into a long weekend. i don't think people were excited making a call on friday going into a long weekend. as we get into next week, we need to look at that dynamic

both what is happening really in terms of numbers but also the psychology around the politics. melissa: paul, i think a lot of people hear of the chaos going on, whether it is what we're talking about in the white house and this back and forth, all of these distractions, the terror events that went on this week, you think where is tax reform? i mean just all the policy issues at that are right in front. health care they didn't get done. hoping they would come back and -- infrastructure was a great idea. it would jobs. it would be roads that we all drive on. would be private investment. all these kind of things. that too gets lost in the shuffle. so i think that is what some concern in the market is. do you think i'm right? >> no, i think so. you know, people that do the markets, that invest, that follow it every day, want stability and their allies are really now more in charge of the white house. there are fewer people in the white house that are disagreeing and creating the tensions.

and so the upside of this, the glass half-full is, general kelly now has a chance to have a white house that can fire on all cylinders, be headed in the same direction. melissa: good point. >> a downside a big part of president's base may well be thinking we lost what we thought we had one. all the goldman sachs types will steak over. we'll not get anything we want. the president needs to move as fast as he can along with other people in the cabinet, to assure not only base, but people that want to see stability and progress. we're now focused on agenda. there will be no more distractions. no more unnecessary fights with the media. moving forward what we were voted in for. if the president does that, gets economic successes no critic left or right will be able to stop it. melissa: we said that some times? david: haven't we? many weeks etf been like that. >> i'm a glass half-full guy. melissa: we're trying. david: we are trying. surrounding a megamerger, following bannon's depart you

are from the white house, $85 billion deal at&t-time warner is reaching advanced stages. ashley webster in the newsroom. go ahead, ash. >> dave, we know steve bannon was opposed to the deal as was candidate donald trump on the campaign trail. we understand the department of justice in particular the antitrust decision is close to coming conclusion on this deal and it could go through. we'll find out at the end of next month. this deal would give at&t and time warner immense amount of power. rival media companies say too much power. time warner could favor in-house programing and leave them out in the cold. however, at&t saying, listen this is whole new media landscape. we need to be stronger to compete with tech titans, googles, amazons spending billions on their own content.

we understand yes, that antitrust decision may be chose to giving a green light. the question under what conditions? a lot of speculation time warner will have to sell off some assets and spin off perhaps cnn, which raises all sorts of questions. how much would cnn be valued at. one analyst says 10 billion. others say it is too small amount. it could go for more. who would buy cnn? cbs is interested. les moonves was at sun valley last man, saying yeah, i'm interested in cnn we're getting ahead of ourselves. bottom line, opposition from president trump when he was candidate trump, steve bannon, all that said, appears under certain conditions, this deal, $85 billion could get some sort of a green light at the end of next month, guys. the last really megadeal in this space was comcast buying nbc universal back in 2011. david: another media deal. ashley, thank you very much. >> sure.

david: carol and paul are back. paul, for all the talk you heard from candidate trump, even some when he was president he decided not to put his thumb on the scale at end of the day, on the regulatory scale. i think that is a good thing. what do you think? >> no i think you're exactly right. for the justice department to get this far along in the deal, if there were critics in the white house to stop it they weren't very effective. i suggest sheldon adelson, paul singer might buy cnn that would be nice. david: that would be interesting. carol, cbs want ad cable news network for a long time. is this the tile? >> certainly there are a whole slew of potential bidders because we're at a time where content is king and i think in general this deal is really good not just for the business community and m&a bankers, really for context how the trump administration is different. if you think back 15 months ago,

a $6 billion deal, staples and office depot was rejected on anti-competitive ground. if we're turning around saying this is something that can go forward, i think that is very positive for the landscape and from an m&a standpoint. >> right. >> so many potential suitors i think you could be surprised david. david: particularly since trump hates cnn. cnn part of at&t, it is still, obama administration held back on much flimsier ground if anything. there is a lot of activity going on. why the market generally speaking is up. carol and paul, have a good weekend. appreciate it. melissa. melissa: we're continuing to follow strong reaction from both sides of the aisle to the ouster of strategist steve bannon. where does the president's agenda and policy stand to benefit from bannon's exit and where will it suffer? david: also the massive manhunt underway for the driver of the van that killed 13 and injured dozens.

what we're now learning about the 18-year-old suspect and his terror cell as well as new reports that spain had been warned months ago by the cia that something like this could happen. melissa: and we'll speak with a former radical jihadist now terror expert what could have been done differently. how we protect ourselves at home now. ♪ ♪ it's a highly contagious disease

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a u.s. government official tells fox news investigators are focused on the size of the spanish cell and the scope of their support network. officials point to confirmation from spanish authorities linking barcelona van attack with wednesday's explosion in a near by city and overnight vehicle attack with suspects reportedly wearing fake suicide belts. the explosion leveled this house 70 miles from barcelona, initially thought a bass leak. investigators believe it was a bomb-making factory. spanish police say there was evidence of premeditation. the cell was preparing for even bigger attack. senior republican on house intelligence committee told fox this morning that the plot appears to have multiple layers and players. >> what is different, this was not a lone wolf. this is a well-organized plot and cell. it was really important for the, pan -- spaniards to track this down and other cells. this is more organized this was not a lone wolf doing it on his

own. reporter: there is active manhunt at this hour for the van's driver and still a lot of confusion whether he was 18-year-old or whether his brother was somehow involved. the cia is not commenting on the report that they warned the spanish in the summer about a isis threat to barcelona but they're not denying either, david. melissa: that is you, david. david: catherine herridge, thank you very much. melissa. melissa: president trump is weighing in tweeting quote, homeland security and law enforcement are on alert and closely watching for any sign of trouble. our borders are far tougher than ever before. but how do we prevent people from radicalizing on american soil? here is a former radical jihadist, former counterterrorism operative. let me start by asking you to reaction to catherine's report to the details she spoke of and some of the things you heard including the fact we believe the driver of the van is on the run?

what do you think of these details? >> well, it's, as your other speakers have said, it's a larger network. it is certainly not, quote, unquote, lone wolf. i personally don't believe there are such thing as lone wolves. there are wolf packs. this is what i have been expecting of isis in europe especially as they are beaten back in iraq and syria. you will start to see more small cells attempting multiple hits relatively simultaneously. it overwhelms security services. it scares the bejesus out of the public, it puts pressure on security services and politicians to find those responsible. melissa: i mean, one of most interesting things about your history of course is the fact that you were radicalized and came back. you know, i read that the proper study of islam, you say made you give up your extremist interpretations? what does that mean? tell us more about that. >> yeah, i mean that i usually

describe it is, terrorism is to jihad what war crimes are to rules of engagement. of course there is a lot of information, false or otherwise, on what jihad actually is. it is a legitimate war tradition. it has rules of engagement. you can't just say eat pork or kill innocent people. after spending two years in syria with a scholar, basically debunking my extremist interpretations that is when i realized i had it all wrong for, for that period of time. and i actually since then i've dealt with other former extremists or reformed neo-nazis, or reformed jihadists. you're dealing with the same dynamic. it is maturity. you grow up. that is what we hope for most of these people. you grow up, you realize there are other ways to do things. blowing people up an killing in the people is not going to

achieve the objectives that you want. melissa: because there is, you mentioned commonality with neo-nazis, and that is something i've been thinking about last self days especially watching some videos and interviews with some of the neo-nazis in charlottesville, and so much what they say and how they explain their beliefs sound so similar to muslim extremists, that you feel like there has to be some common psychology in terms of people feeling so lost, or so disenfranchised, so hopeless, that you turn to something so endings -- extreme that you think you're called to kill other people or other people are less than human? what part of that sound like it might be right or where am i going right? >> no, you're absolutely right and in fact i, i worked very closely with other security agencies all over the world and i recently interviewed a criminal intelligence investigation manager in germany

who investigates jihadists and he came from investigating white supremacists, owe nazis in germany, and he found striking similarities between them. there is hyper masculinity is one aspect of it. look at ideology and grievances. i usually give this quote, ideology without grievances down resonate and grievances without ideology are not acted upon. so when you have this supremacist ideology, whether white supremacist or jihadist supremacist, they only envision themselves as rulers, leaders over everyone else. there is hyper masculinity. there is a sense of meaning and belonging. a sense of powerfulness emerging out of a feeling of powerlessness. as you see more and more, whether white americans feeling there are too many minorities or white culture is not preserved or respected which are valid concerns i think, same thing on jihadist side.

they think our system is not dominant enough. it is being pushed back by increasing pressures of modernization and multiculturalism. when you hear them speak it is very, very similar whether you want whiteeth know nationalist state or caliphate, it is exact same thing. melissa: really seems like that. thanks for coming on. we appreciate your insight and honesty. >> thank you for having me. david: thank god he is on our side. good-bye, mr. bannon. even with top aide steve bannon out of the white house, face it, folks the political assaults on the white house will not end. where will they go next? details coming up. don't stare directly into the light. we knew that about solar eclipses but there are a whole lot of other things you should know about the eclipse coming up. we'll tell you about them after the break. ♪ relief. flonase outperforms the #1 non-drowsy allergy pill. when we breathe in allergens,

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>> i like mr. bannon. he's a friend of mine. he is a good man.

he is not a racist. i can tell you that. he is a good person. he actually gets very unfair press in that regard but we'll see what happens with mr. bannon, but -- david: president trump leaving the door open earlier this week as we learned new details about his decision to remove chief strategist bannon from the white house. here now, vince coglianese, "the daily caller" editor-in-chief. for all the talk about charlottesville, what i think had more to do getting fired than anything else, north korea, comments to a reporter. he said they were supposed to be off the record. he said there is no military solution. forget it. that directly conflicted what tillerson and jim mattis said about north korea where they said the military option was on the table. what do you think about that? >> i think so. you can add president trump to that list saying fire and fury would rain down on north korea if they continue to threaten the united states. steve bannon goes out and clearly shows the hand of the

administration. suggests that north korea has leverage here, because seoul, south korea, would be essentially evaporated in north korea was firing. that was enough for a clear difference between steve bannon and white house, betraying a policy position especially in a national security situation. david: differ with the commander-in-chief on thermonuclear war, forget about it, that is firing charges there. the way the democrats are spinning this, you knew they were going to spin it in their favor, try to anyway. connecting it to charlottesville. connecting it to their theme that anybody who supports the president right now is racist and starting with steve bannon, who is whispering little racist things in his ear. nancy pelosi or dnc let out a charge, there is one less white supremacist in the white house. donald trump, recent attempts to divide our country, to give a vote to white sue supremacists l

not be accepted. do you think the public will buy the fact, not just bannon but anybody supports the president right now is a racist? >> no, i don't. this idea they would tie steve bannon to the charlottesville response, it was not going to work. he said steve bannon is separate from the role the president played in that. president would not be compelled by those arguments. one thing that made me think steve bannon would stay in the white house is nancy pelosi demanding his firing. the president is clearly not affected by political wind here. he will not respond to democrat demands. if anything there is any internal politics involved may be john kelly trying to streamline the white house and bring it all into the very basic chain of command. david: you know, just to show how absurd things have become, maxine waters, who said some pretty absurd things, now claiming that even dr. ben carson is a white supremacist. now they clearly think that

americans are so dumb that they would think an african-american like ben carson is a white supremacist. that is almost lunatic. >> that would be quite a magic tick if ben carson is all of sudden white supremacist. ben carson announcing last few days his home was vandalized for fact he is working within the trump administration. ben carson earning few friend by doing that. say at bottom of his list is any interest whatsoever in white supremacy. david: vince, thanks for coming in. melissa. melissa: a missouri state senator in a lot of hot water posting deleting facebook comment hoping for president trump's assassination. isn't that nice? listen to her response to calls for her to resign. >> if there are legislators who are cheating on their wives, and legislators smoking marijuana in their offices they're not asked to resign i'm not going, i'm not going to resign for a mistake that i have owned up to.

melissa: hmmm. needless to say the secret service is now conducting an investigation. >> let's hope they interview her for very long time. copycat crime? one journalist speculation about the timing of the barcelona attack on heels of charlottesville. melissa: latest on massive manhunt in spain after back-to-back terror attacks. retired lieutenant colonel tony shaffer joins us next. >> we have now received word, and confirmed the death of one american citizen. we express our deepest sympathies to the loved ones of this individual.

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melissa: barcelona still searching for answer as little over 24 hours since the attacks. three events all appearing to be tied together. a massive manhunt still underway for the van driver that plowed dozens of people, killing 14, injuring a hundred. benjamin is live in barcelona. break it down for us this hour. reporter: melissa, this is ram ram -- la ram blast, this is one of the most iconic streets in spain. 13 people were killed in that

initial attack. 17 remained in the hospital, critically injured. we're tragically hearing one three-year-old boy among those killed. just learning one american is among the dead. we're learning his name is gerald tucker. 42 years old, california, here celebrating his first wedding anniversary. but that attack here was just the beginning. we're learning now it was intended to be one of many attacks. eight hours later, 62 house later in a town called cambrils. five men wearing fake sue sight belts and. one police woman killed four of those suspects herself. she is being hailed as a hero there. still the manhunt goes on. because they are not sure if they found all members of possible isis cell or indeed the driver of the van himself. he is being named as mousa -- he is 18 years old and he is may still be on the run.

his brother rented the van. he said his younger brother used the i.d. to get the van. police keep saying this is part of a wider cell intended to have many more attacks intended to kill many more people, the hunt goes on, barcelona trying to pick self up and life goes on as normal as possible. david: cnn's wolf blitzer made a bizarre suggestion yesterday. take a listen. >> there will be questions about copycats. there will be questions if what happened in barcelona was at all, at all, a copycat version of what happened in charlottesville, virginia, even though they may be different characters, different political ambitions. they used the same, the same killing device a vehicle going at high speed into a group, a large group of pedestrians. david: here now is lieutenant colonel tony shaffer. colonel, isis has been

recommending and pulling off vehicular terrorism for years now. what is wolf talking about? >> full disclosure, i have been on with wolf before and i have no clue. this is bizarre talk. i mean, look, the fact is this, i was there that day, david. i was there in charlottesville. i drove through the crowds doing anker rand and let me be very clear for the audience f someone so chose to act like isis, get a van, series of vans, that could have happened. this is not isis. charlottesville is not remotely. as you point out isis has been planning, basically training people -- david: executing these act. >> executing these things. let's keep in mind, david, we also find out yesterday and today there were other bombings planned to go along with the vehicle. david: right. >> this is completely bizarre for someone who calls himself a newsman. david: colonel, you're a military expert. you know more about it than anybody i know, but i have to drag you into the political

sphere. >> sure. david: appears what is happening, what happened in bars loan narcs taking people away from what the media wanted to talk about, what democrats wanted to talk about, is charlottesville. they thought they could hang president trump out to dry from charlottesville. this drew them away from it. they were trying to bring the two stories together. >> now that the russian narrative died a quiet death, they had something to pick up on speaking politically. they have been trying to find a way to tie something, some hideous agenda to the trump, people who voted for trump, and idea here, steve bannon is not a agent of russia, he is a racist. so that is the narrative they have been going with. that is exactly they were trying to swing it back around here to that objective. david: you mentioned steve bannon. >> yeah. david: i put forth talking about it earlier, my own understanding or belief that in fact it was his note about north korea, talking to a reporter suggesting that there was never now, or never ever will be a north

korean military solution, that is what got him in trouble because that put him at odds with both the president, secretary of state and the defense secretary. what do you think? >> let me parse this. i understand what steve is saying here. he is trying to say look, ultimately we can't resolve the north korea, south korea split by military. i agree with that. with that said, david, you and i both know credible deterrents requires the enemy believe you will use military force if necessary. david: right. >> that is the piece that was missing here. no, i do believe if needed we will use military force but ultimately as the president said we're seeking a diplomatic or negotiated solution. i think that is wasn't clear. david: can't publicly disagree with the commander-in-chief. >> can't do that. david: colonel shaffer. thank you. melissa. melissa: political investigation of the democratic national committee. new details about the former i.t. staffer to debbie wasserman schultz. we're following the money trail on that one. plus, it is the fifth largest prize in history. there are more than half a

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david: the plot thickens. former debbie wasserman schultz i.t. aide, and his family is indicted on four charges, conspiracy to commit bank fraud, engaging in unlawful monetary transactions, which basically means money laundering. here is former federal prosecutor doug burns. and what is extraordinary doug, you read the indict, you look what imran awan, it was dozens congresspeople, not just debbie wasserman schultz. >> okay, he was i.t. aide to debbie wasserman schultz. reality he and his family got $4 million in fees for doing i.t. work. david: by the way, he and his wife are only two indicted but they're investigating other

members of his family. >> to your point there was a lot more money involved. on the case itself in the indictment, what it is they received a two line of credits loans against two parcels of real estate, the way the rules worked you couldn't get loan if they were rental properties. untaxed assets. david: this shows how idiotic the congressional federal credit union is. they gave him a loin of $160,000, a home equity loan on property he was renting. what does it say to you about that institution? congressional credit union, 40,000 members, some of the most important people in the country, based in the beltway, they are making stupid decisions like this? >> yes, it tells you it was terrible, if i may defend them, if somebody will lie to you, say, no, this is not rental and sign documents saying it is not, you're relying on that. david: you check it out. >> they should check it out. you're right.

david: i would argue, counselor the reason this guy was not checked out as he should have been by the federal credit union he had all the sponsor inside of the beltway. he had dozens of democrats vouched for him. as long as connections inside the beltway you get whatever you want from the federal credit union. >> all i'm saying though, sometimes when people lie through their teeth, of course you can criticize lack of correct diligence, the point they're the ones indicted. david: this would lead me as investigator, as journalist, i'm an investigator to check into other loans by the federal credit union middle might have n just as egregious as the loan here. >> sure. david: one other thing. this credit union sent cash to pakistan n pakistan, there is banking institution, we know how corrupt,bccis was based there, worst bank of all time. opens up them dealing with foreign institution, might be corrupt and part of a terrorist conspiracy which there are many in pakistan.

>> they charged them with illegal international monetary transactions as well. you referred earlier as money laundering. the point is bank fraud, conspiracy. the wife is named in the indictment. illegal monetary transactions. of course lying, et cetera. i would also note, maybe i'm stepping out of my bailiwick but i mean this thing also is highly politicized in terms who is covering it and who isn't. david: we're basically only institution covering this story from stem to stern. this also exposes, gets back to the credit union, slimiliness, swamp like quality what goes on in washington. if you have connections you can get away with murder. >> quick editorial, the reason we're in unbelievably toxic debate is because president trump, whether you hate him, can't stand him, you don't like what he says, he has come in there under the guise, you're so right, of there is a lot of incestuous relationships and deal-making in washington, d.c., and it should be addressed.

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♪ >> final countdown to the great american eclipse. tens of millions of people are preparing to witness history on monday. that's right. mark your calendar. traffic jams in oregon, calling in the national guard to help with more than a million people expected to hit the state. if you plan on taking some time off from work, you're not alone. the eclipse will cost american employers almost 700 million bucks in lost productivity. here now on what to expect is tariq malik, space.com managing editor. thanks for joining us. >> a pleasure. melissa: first of all, when was the last time we saw this? when will the next time? >> last time a total solar eclipse in the u.s. was 1979. that was part of the country. melissa: '79.

>> have to go back to 1918, 99 years ago one that went from entire country from west coast to east coast. melissa: very rare. we will have another one not too long, right? that is unusual. when is the next one. >> the next one to cross u.s. soil, 2024, april 8th. that comes up from texas and go up through maine so. melissa: so i planned on running outside and looking at it here in new york. people said that is crazy you burn your eyeballs out. what is the truth about that? >> only safe to look at total solar eclipse looking in path of totality, at the moment, when the moon completely covers the sun. melissa: how long does that last? >> only a few minutes. at peak of this one, 2 minutes, 38 seconds. the rest of the time, new york sees partial solar eclipse. have protective glasses. keep your eyes safe. melissa: hire in new york i have to have special glasses, where do i get those? are they sold out?

>> i have some for you. melissa: do you have more. i have two kids. >> i have two more. melissa: oh, excited. sorry, david, not sharing. where do other people get these? >> they are selling out. selling out like last few weeks now. places you can find some. some walmart stores have some. best buys. here in new york b and h might have supplies. other types. you can have hard plastic ones. >> what about regular sunglasses? >> regular sunglasses are not safe, even if you double up. they let so much more light. these let 1/10,000th of light of sun in. melissa: will i enjoy it if i'm wearing these? >> what you will see, a sun get a bite like a cookie. that is0% here in new york. you won't see that, if you don't have the glasses on, and it is just a sight to see. you will see the moon up there. you can only see the sun through these. it will look like orange ball with a bite taken out of it.

melissa: is it the same as if you look at normal sun? you're not supposed to do that either? >> never look at the sun uneclipsed or otherwise without protective glasses. melissa: this is worse? >> it is just, people will stare at it more people. melissa: oh, okay. >> they know it's a special event. your eye doesn't have pain receptors like your skin does, if you burn yourself. melissa: right. >> you won't feel your eye being damaged by bright light of the sun until much later, maybe next day when you have a spot in your vision or, you know, god forbid ness or anything like that. melissa: yeah. >> you need special glasses. you can project it safely on piece of cardboard. make a pinhole projector. melissa: what is the phenomenon that we're actually witnessing? talk to us what the planets and sun and moon are doing? >> a weird event, cosmic coincidence. the moon passes between the earth and sun exactly between

the earth and sun so is it covers up the sun completely. sun is 400 times larger than the moon and 400 times away, once every 18 months the moon passes complete it to cover it completely. night turns to today on the ground. that happens somewhere remote, ocean and at arctic can where you can't see. >> can i keep these? >> yes. melissa: i can't wait. my whole household can't wait. monday will be huge. so sorry, david. david: melissa, you don't need the glasses and i looked directly at sun in 1979. melissa: that explains a lot, david. david: which camera? melissa: can't tell what is happening with the cameras. there you go. david: may be wasting your money on bottled water if you believe this one lawsuit. might be better off drinking straight from the tap. ♪ today, we're out here with some big news about type 2 diabetes. you have type 2 diabetes, right? yes. so let me ask you this...

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melissa: a new lawsuit claims that poland spring water is a close colossal fraud saying that the 100% natural spring water is ordinary groundwater. david: we knew it. the company says it meets all federal regulations. others say not. melissa: risk and reward now. liz: major news tonight at home and abroad. steve bannon, president trump's chief strategist out at the white house. now with these, a major manhunt now underway in spain for a terrorist on the loose there. a bigger than expected terrorist cell behind two deadly terrorist attacks, and it could have been a lot worse. authorities now uncovering a even bigger bombing plan that was in the works in spain. welcome to risk and reward, i'm elizabeth macdonald. first year money, the markets hitting triple digit losses this morning but turned positive on the news steve bannon's exit. the idea being trump's growth agenda could move forward. but the dow did fade