[busker] liz: feel like making fun of people using the term by fir indicated binary markets. i don't know what they're trying to say. stuart: peter kernen can explain it in five seconds. three seconds to cavuto. it is yours. neil: keeping eye on mother nature. hurricane maria is a cat-5. soon to hit puerto rico. ratcheting of supplies and you were with puerto rico's governor yesterday talk about many to get out of puerto rico if they have means to do so because this will be a doozy of a storm. it slammed caribbean island of dominica. cat-5, rooftops torn off. other caribbean island are certainly in its path. a guy who saw the busy season coming, we hope it is wrapping up, weather 2000 chief

meteorologist michael schlacter. good to see you. what is puerto rico looking at, what is the region looking at? >> jose hit barbuda and lesser antilles. neil: what is left of barbuda at this point? >> unfortunate desolate situation. guadalupe and dominica got direct hits on its way to the british virgin island and probably direct hit on puerto rico. could be worst ever. the benchmark for the puerto rico is the 1928 lake oak hurricane that went through that as category five -- lake okeechobee hurricane. neil: continental united states, you're getting close to the neck of the woods, or what. >> we've been warning entire century last 17 years, we saw it with irma and jose, a lot of strong hurricanes build ridges to the north, force themselves a

little further west than computer models like to see. i wouldn't write this off out to sea just yet. people in turks and caicos, bahamas, east coast, need to watch this until it gets 7 or eight days. neil: southern florida, gulf region, so far? >> nothing is off the table. i think florida and the gulf of mexico are unlikely scenarios but right now the models are saying out to sea. but anywhere between bermuda and the carolinas and southeast coast need to keep an eye on this. neil: the fact that it is not present a threat or close to a threat to the gulf and all oil refineries that are there, i can't imagine, i know this is slightly outside your purview, why it is gasoline prices futures prices have held stubbornly at or around the levels they were right after harvey, certainly after irma, with very little exception. what is going on? >> one thing could be that people haven't fully assessed damage to some refining

capabilities that happened with the harvey floods and whatnot. it is out of my area of expertise but perhaps it is also the fact we're still in the heart of the hurricane season and we have six, eight more weeks. neil: we do, don't we? goes to november 1 and all, what is your feeling after this? i know lee is way out there still a storm, in the atlantic. but beside that, i mean these things tend to fester and form often times seems like overnight. >> lee technically fizzled out. but we're still watching it for possible regeneration. just to correct you slightly, not november 1st, but november 30th is the end of the season. neil: okay. >> we saw in 2005, even december can produce storms as long as waters are warm enough and sheer is low. this entire autumn season through the holidays we need to keep an eye on the tropics. we get through this, and as we point out, what is the normal historical pattern? that is slows down up and

through october, november, end of november, what? depend on -- >> right. i would say there is a town trend between mid-september and mid-november obviously. as we saw in 2005 again, wilma, late october. sandy, late object. neil: we saw that. >> we could still produce very strong storms. i would not keep your eyes off the tropics anytime soon. neil: forgot about sandy, five-year anniversary. that was mid, late october. >> yeah. neil: michael, thank you very much. meantime political storms, president starting one by his speech, calling for the denuclearization of north korea, slamming the country for its human rights abuses and hitting those who help that country but it was a certain term he used for the north korean leader getting the most press. listen. >> the united states has great strength and patience but if it is forced to defend hit self or its allies we will have no

choice but to totally destroy north korea. "rocket man" is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. the united states is ready, willing and able, but hopefully this will not be necessary. that's what the united nations is all about. that's what the united nations is for. let's see how they do. neil: all right. if the markets are skiddish under those bellicose comments, referring to a leader of another country as "rocket man" and the united states would be intent on destroying "rocket man" if he keeps sabre-rattling like this, they have certainly a funny way of showing it. dow threatening new highs. the s&p in and out of new highs. let's get read of those comments, we have a military assistant to donald rumsfeld and

neil gardner. what i gleaned from the foreign press online, was not favorable, that this is no the way leaders speak at the united nations. what do you make of that? >> i thought it was a very good speech. arguably donald trump's best speech of his presidency so far alongside the warsaw address in the summer where he launched a strong defense of western civilization. this was a very blunt speech and very direct. i thought it sent a very clear message to america's enemies they will be held to account. iran, north korea, venezuela, cuba, for example, this was a president not afraid i think of, to take on those who threaten the free world. it's a very different kind of address. sort of wishy-washy speech delivered by barack obama on countless occasion as the u.n. this was very, very tough speech. i thought it was the right message to send at an extremely dangerous time for the u.s. and

its allies on the world stage. well-done, donald trump. i thought he did extremely well today. neil: steve, president was well aware the north korean delegation was sitting in the front row feet from him, he had to know as well, even though the chinese premier was not there, neither was russian president vladmir putin, he was singling out those countries for enabling north korea. how do you think that was received? >> president trump doesn't do nuance. he says it like it is. neil: there is that, right. >> and goes for it and doesn't worry if somebody will wring their hand bit. yeah, this message went to countries that nile just mentioned but also to china and russia. not that we're threatening them but letting them know we're holding them accountable as well. they need to play a positive role in sort of ratcheting this thing down or they see us respond. neil: the question is what kind

of response. one thing to talk tough. the president has to follow up on that. the indications he is kind of sick of the united nations and jawboning and watered down sanctions and the like. what is he telegraphing to them. >> he letting them know we're ready to take offensive action if that is required. neil: what does that mean, ready to take offensive action. united nations bristles at that sort of thing. nile, sorry. >> i think it was very clear president trump is prepared to use military force against america's enemies. you always have to that threat of force to back up any kind of efforts you're making at the united nations or different areas on the world stage. i thought one of the most significant aspects of the speech, very powerful combination of iran and, i think very clear signal that the administration may be about to walk away from the iran nuclear

deal and i think it would be right for the united states to walk away from this disasterous agreement which is only made iran stronger. so i think this speech does telegraph potentially the u.s. withdrawal from that agreement which i think should be welcomed. neil: you know, steve bucci, one of the things coming up mentioning that iran deal and the fact the president never liked it during the campaign, hinted many times he wanted to walk away from it. the risks of walking away from an international agreement, even though this is not a deal part of an international agreement but it would be precedent breaking in the decorum of the united nations to even consider doing so yet it, there were polite applause to what the president was outlining even though i man a lot of folks were seething. what do you make of that? >> again, president trump doesn't much care who is seething. he is not really worried about decorum. he is stating what is in the interests of the united states

of america. that deal is a lousy one. it does not benefit us a bit. in fact it is very, very debttry meantal to the united states and our security. neil: what does he have to prove, steve, to show that the iranians have violated it? now he talks about violating the spirit of that agreement but one of the things would be helping the north koreans or aiding them in one way, shape or form, you would have to prove to the united nations. we can do whatever we want, i understand you're saying, but to sell the case to an international body that doesn't seem to flip over donald trump, that is not fair or not, it seems a little weird they're judging us but they are, that this president might abrogate a deal without proof the iranians are violating it. what do you think he would seize on? >> if they were helping north korea and we had evidence of that, not necessarily trial-like proof, but something that we could hang our hat on i think he would go with it.

or if they continue to take the kind of actions they're doing with their missile tests. neil: right. >> we might shoot one down and let them know, we're not playing anymore. we have to defend ourselves, neil, we have to defend hawaii. we have to defend guam. right now hawaii is less well-defended than guam when there is millions more americans there and the pacific command headquarters. that's a very likely target. we've got to protect it. we have to make sure they understand we're going to protect it, then we're going to respond. neil: nile gardiner, i was thinking of your old boss, margaret thatcher, for many in the united states, this might have been donald trump's maggie thatcher moment, his speech before the u.n. >> i think she would have liked this speech actually. she would have admired the fact that donald trump was willing to stand up for, for the united states, for american leadership. she also would have loved i think his talk about the defense of national sovereignty. and a lot of the language trump used is very similar to the

language used by british politicians in defense of "brexit," the defense of self-determination. the right of nation-states to form their own future, protect their own borders. i think there was a lot of "brexit" dna actually in this speech as well, which i think a lot of british people with support. neil: gentlemen, thank you both as we're getting responses from those here in this country and other countries after president they dealed, give it a certainly different type of address before the united nations, not politics as usual but did anyone expect any differently? here is the good news. one $.5 trillion of tax cuts over next 10 years are coming down the pike. here is the bad news for those you want them? they're desperately trying to find a way to pay for them after this. ♪

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neil: all right. 1 1/2 trillion dollars, that is how many in the republican party weighing over the next decade. the cost of those tax cuts, many of you wince at that, tax cuts are not a cost, look at them over next decade, 1 1/2 trillion dollars. the issue becomes how do you justify that. how do you compensate after ten years you have not exploded the deficit, in other words, allowed republicans with a simple majority to get this thing

through? republican congressman dan donovan, he is against the plan getting rid of state and local deductions not surprising in new york where it could be costly, right? >> 10% of our residents salaries. somebody makes $100,000 a year, they pay $10,000 in state and local taxes. eliminate that deduction, eliminate their property tax reduction and their mortgage interest, people of new york will be paying more taxes. neil: probably wouldn't remove the mortgage thing, state and local taxes they seem to be hell-bent on that. talking about powers that be in congress and white house. do you think that would happen, that would get approved? >> i don't know. i've spoken to steve mnuchin and gary cohn. they told me proving by lowering tax brackets, doubling the standard deduction, people in new york would be better off than they are now. i told both of them my driver's license says i'm no new york but i'm from missouri you have to show me. neil: that would more than

compensate for losing that 10 grand? >> i'm not too sure toes numbers work out. i'm waiting for administration to show me. neil: you're not of a fan of argument, states like new york will watch budget and taxing.

>> what happens in new york we see increase in state taxes, sales tax or income tax. and people that i represent, people of our city will be paying more money in their taxes at the end of the day. neil: meantime, congressman, where do you stand on this idea of for tax cuts being revenue neutral and those being paid for? many in your party, moderate wing, and i guess many in the white house looking askance giving tax cuts to the rich you got to put a limit on it, you have got to put a cap on it, you have to find a way to pay for them? >> neil, reagan did tax cuts in 81. tax reform in '86. person bringing up 700 bucks a week. bringing home 740-dollars. neil: you have to sl, they will. the deficits and debt. are you in the camp, if you go too far in tax cuts you will make that situation even worse? >> i heard economists saying tax cuts will make up the deficit that it will create by amount of money people are spending. so you make it on other end. americans get opportunity to dictate what happens to their own money, rather than having their government do it. >> your district is michael grimm's old distribute. he is apparently considering running. i don't know if it is definite

but he is challenging you in that event? >> that is what i understand. he hasn't announced yet. but i would put my record up against anybody that challenges. i have six democratic challengers right now. i have served that community -- neil: how is it your district, not overwhelmingly republican. >> not at all. neil: two to one democrat. why does it more often than not go republican. >> people in my community are able to distinguish between individuals. they vote for person who they think will represent them best. a lot of my residents are homeowners. they vote with their pocketbook, why tax reform axe tax cuts are important to the people of staten island. neil: grimm was a rock star. eventually going to jail. how do you stack up against that? how do you handle that? >> i think it's a different day you convicted of a federal crime and spent time in prison. neil: would you support him if he was nominee and will beat you. >> that will not happen, neil.

i put my record up against anyone's? neil: you put up for debate. >> people of south brooklyn, how well i served them over the years. neil: part of that serving is giving them something back. there is a great deal of frustration not you individually sir, with congress that it can't utilize its majority, that is republicans and get stuff done. is it your sense if tax cuts aren't done this year that you guys, forget about you, but as majority party, you're toast, you're done next year? >> i think the president's frustrated. i think america is frustrated. we control the white house and both houses of congress. neil: whose fault is that? >> i don't know if it is someone's fault. everybody represents people that sent them there. neil: yeah. >> there are different interests throughout our country. neil: your view on taxes is very much conservative wing of the party that say, tax cuts will by and large pay for themselves. others like paul ryan and senate

side mitch mcconnell, no, no, they have to be revenue neutral. you have to find away to pay for them. but even if your party there are stark contrasts, right? >> i do believe everybody believes we have to do tax cuts. the result of those tax cuts, how we pay for them or effect much tax cuts, you ask one economist they will pay for themselves, you ask another -- neil: don't talk to economists. is it your sense, if you get them and you leave out the rich and they don't get them but get lower corporate rates which i'm told they will benefit, that will be okay? >> you know, we haven't even seen the republican house plan yet. neil: would you like everyone to get one or are you okay if the rich are left out? >> i don't think the rich necessarily need more benefits. i think they find ways to benefit from our tax system the way it already exists. i do believe if we were to do tax reform on corporations, stimulate corporations to repatriate money back to our country, use the money for infrastructure for our nation, the president came to congress

and told us the united states in the last 10 years spent $6 trillion in infrastructure outside of our own country, neil. we want to spend a trillion dollars inside of the country. i support the president in that plan and way to pay for it is repatriation. neil: democrats on daca, this sort of stuff, a lot of your colleagues are getting nervous about that. >> the president is frustrated. he wants to work with anybody to move the country. the country has been stagnant the last eight years. he last eight months has been leader of the free world. he wants to see. mo. he will work with anybody that will help the move this country forward. neil: echo your comments to michael grimm, should he decide to run against you will not step out of the way. you will work for your seat? >> i'm in the for the long run. neil: dan donovan thank you very much. puerto rico looking to just try to cover cost of one billion dollars damages in irma. now staring at a storm maria that could be much worse than

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hike this week but more than likely expecting one in december at roughly 59%. neil: another 59% are anticipating for the year? >> 59% is rounded more likely than not we'll see a rate hike. neil: nicole, thank you very much. to nicole's point what is going on with unwind $4 trillion worth of bond and notes they bought, i know this gets mentioned a lot, but might seem gobbledygook, to unload the bond even slowly will cheapen them. unload them, let someone buy them at a discount, the price goes down, the rate goes up, it could lead to a backup in rates at exactly the wrong time. that is the fear out there anyway, how janet yellen and company orchestrates this, will be closely, closely monitored. that is a lot of stuff to sell off. imagine if bunch of car dealers came together we have to get rid of our inventory.

that is what it is like. you will not sell the cars at full value, right? the cars will be cheaper, you will lose money selling them out the door. get the bonds out the door. the fear is not to get bond pricey yieldwise you end up hurting the very economy you're trying to help. meanwhile puerto rico has more pressing concerns like a you are who cain bearing down on it, a category 5 one at that. that is how bad and dangerous maria could potentially be after maria did damage, whole neck of the woods is in danger. we have national weather service monitor mike tice is with us. no matter how many times i see it, it looks like a monster. describe me what i'm hearing that. >> yeah, puerto rico, like looking down the barrel of a shotgun. this is catastrophe if it does make landfall in puerto rico. people here are preparing for

the worse. they had a few brushes from a few other hurricanes this year but potentially could be a direct hit on san juan, eastern coast of puerto rico. neil: you have to think there aren't many places to run in puerto rico. not as if it is the size of montana. options are few. when the governor was with us a couple days ago, he was already pushing for people to evacuate if they could. a lot can't, so where do they go? >> try to get to the inner of the island, trying in the middle somewhere in a concrete structure. there are lots of hotels locals can get into. i'm hearing about shelters opening up around the island. i just got in myself, i'm scouting out locations to ride out the hurricane safely. along the coastline they have evacuated most of the people. i haven't seen very many people at all. like i said, i'm scouting locations right now. getting ready to buckle down for a potential cat-5 hurricane. neil: you be safe yourself,

mike. thank you very joining us. michael theiss, literally keeping a close eye on this. meantime there is new report that the government was wiretapping former government chair paul manafort. remember when everyone was laughing at president trump that he claimed his predecessor barack obama was wiretapping him? if you're wiretapping the campaign manager, talking a lot of times to his boss, soon to be president of the united states, donald trump, isn't it fair to say that some of those conversations were tapped and donald trump was included in them? a very sticky wicket with judge andrew napolitano. don't let dust and allergens get between you and life's beautiful moments. switch to flonase allergy relief.

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neil: all right, judge andrew napolitano isn't saying i told you so even he did tell us so and hinted wiretapping that was going on and could involve and now did involve campaign chair

paul manafort. could lead to all sorts of things. fox news legal analyst and best-selling author, judge andrew napolitano. in manafort recording his conversations that it would stand to reason among those conversations would be those with then candidate trump. >> absolutely. that then leads us to this inquiry, what kind of a search warrant did the government have, did they have a fisa, foreign intelligence surveillance act court, that can be changed with the west wing. valerie jarrett and susan rice, can say to their bus, guess what we heard trump say to manafort yesterday during the campaign? if it's a criminal search warrant, where the fbi goes to a judge but under oath but in secret tells the judge when their investigation is about, what evidence of crimes they have, what evidence of trials they have expect to find, that can't be shared with anybody. we don't know what kind of a

warrant this is but we do know one of those two warrants was obtained and we do know they were surveilling paul manafort and others in trump tower going back to 2014. manafort was a tenet of trump's. neil: 2014 was before donald trump announced he was running. >> correct. at the time he was doing whatever he was doing, representing foreign governments, and they were on to him then. neil: on to him then in what way? >> concerned about communications weighs receiving from foreign powers and whether or not that was truthfully being relayed to the government because he was an agent for a foreign government. neil: ukraines and others? >> no at the time of ties with ukraine but before he is running the trump campaign. neil: gotcha. >> i believe -- there are two stories today. they were in fact wiretapping the trump tower. doesn't mean just telephones. it means every keystroke and every computer. it also means using an iphone

as a listening device. so if i'm paul manafort and you're donald trump and my iphone is here, we're talking personally, the iphone will pick up and relate to those monitoring the surveillance the in person, non-telephone conversation that we had. neil: so when donald trump originally said that barack obama was wiretapping him, he wasn't too far off the truth? >> no, he wasn't. i honestly don't know if he was referring to this or, if he was referring to the british wiretapping which was eventually admitted to by james clapper after he left office. that went back to 2015. neil: but does seem to me, you were expounding on this earlier, that trying to circle the wagons. >> i believe that bob mueller has a target on donald trump. and the best way for him to get evidence about whatever he thinks the president did that will result in whatever,

impeachment or even a criminal charge against the president, is to indict those around him and squeeze them into becoming cooperating witnesses. when the government told manafort's lawyer recently, expect your client to be indicted, i don't think that indictment will have anything to do with donald trump. i think it will be some sort of a financial crime, failure to report income or failure to report his status as a representative of a foreign government. then they will negotiate with him. look, you're facing 20 years here. we can reduce that down next to nothing, come and talk to us. they may do the same thing to others. neil: others like jared kushner, these people? >> general flynn, correct. correct. neil: do you think that the president every day he sees what he wrought by, getting rid of the former fbi director -- >> no, i don't. i think president is so confident in his own abilities he doesn't perceive the danger -- steve bannon was

correct. i don't know if this is the worst political decision in history. neil: jeff sessions is out of all of this. so who is running the shop? >> rod rosenstein, not a friend of the president. effectively running the department of justice. i say this with deference and respect because jeff sessions is a friend of mind but the attorney general is giving wonderful speeches and making policy judgments and decisions but actual day-to-day running of department run by someone with no love for donald trump. that someone, deputy attorney general rosenstein, is one who appointed former fbi director robert mueller. mueller has an issue, if he takes too longs before he starts indicting it looks like a fishing expedition. he has to start showing progress soon. neil: what is soon? >> well i think certainly before thanksgiving manafort will be indicted. i wouldn't be surprised if someone else is in that time period as well. neil: wow. judge, thank you, very, very much. >> pleasure.

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>> neil, some industry watchers were speculating the first hack back in march was a test for bigger hack that followed, one that affected 40% of americans. equifax is saying that is the not case. after the march hack, equifax hired an outside firm which also helped with that big may through july data theft. now equifax said that mandiant found no evidence that the hacks were related. the company, mandiant declined to comment. the bigger deal the march hack shows more evidence that equifax executives should been paying more attention and how vulnerable their company was. this march hack cast stronger doubts on claims of these three people, these three high level execs who said they had no knowledge of data breaches selling two million dollars of stock this summer. some say if you believe three

high-ranking individuals did not know about one breach, it is even less believable they were unaware of two breaches. the department of justice opened a criminal probe for possible insider trading at equifax. cybersecurity experts saying none of the data from either hack, so the march hack and the later bigger hack, is around and b if hackers broke into equifax to get money in exchange for our data, social security numbers, birthdates, names, address, that work floating around the web for sale. some experts see this lack of commercial activity as near-proof that the party responsible is a state-sponsored group. and of course as we know, it affected more than 140 million americans. so, people saying, this big an attack, sophisticated an attack, must the work of a governmental organization. i want to bring you this as well just in, we're learning that the massachusetts attorney general is suing the company saying it

ignored obvious cybersecuritys vulnerabilities for several months and violation of state and consumer protection services and that joins the new york ag. neil, we can only imagine numerous more to come. neil: i can only imagine. deirdre, thank you very much. meantime a little bit of history being made not in a good way by toys "r" us, a sad way. filing for bankruptcy protection. connell mcshane, what happened? >> a lot of debt happened. they are $5 billion in debt. they figure they can restructure in bankruptcy protection to start to execute this quote, unquote turn around. other people would tell you amazon happened as happened to so many companies. and you don't make adjustments of toys "r" us online. they talked about a better online business and focusing, babies business is solid, babies 'r us, but it was tough to do it with all that debt. if you restructure with bankruptcy court you have to get on track. neil: they have to close a lot

of stores. >> they have to get a lot smaller. that is a problem a long time for them. would you think, talking about keeping stores open when they made this filing and at least as many as they can. not going that route but seems almost impossible to eventually not go down that way where you have to get much more smaller, much more efficient in order to keep up with them. neil: they were once a category killer and killing everybody. we've seen this time and again when aol was the category killer, prodigy was category killer, ibm was cadgoer killer bevacqua microsoft and apple. reminder again to the apples out there, even amazons, you shouldn't get too comfortable. >> even amazons. you never know when it is your turn or new technology comes along or new way of doing business comes along. apple in its own right is a perfect example of that, because it went through it and came back from it. apple was a hot company when it first came out, with jobs and

wozniak, and went through problems as any company did. got things running through the right direction. neil: being on top is not a it about right. >> not all the time. amazon right now, so hard to see things as they are different from the way they are right now. we look at amazon, we say it is taking apart business by business. look at kroger getting killed because of the whole foods acquisition. the stock is down 30% since it happened. like, whoa, here comes amazon. they're taking apart the grocery business. they're looking at the toy business and apparel business. all of that is true, but it is true until it is not true. if you don't execute, you could be the next one. listen, no sign that amazon is not aware of that. they have always had a long-term vision. remember years ago people used to say, same thing about amazon, well look at stock, it run up a little too much because this company is not really making money. they don't charge enough. margins are too tight. neil: depend on revenues and nothing else. >> they have done okay. they know that. they have a long-term plan.

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>> the united states is one out of 193 countries in the united nations yet we pay 22% of the entire budget and more. in fact, we pay far more than anybody realizes. we can no longer be taken advantage of, or enter into a one-sided deal where the united states gets nothing in return. neil: all right. so president trump says, some changes are in order. with us nato secretary-general stoltenberg. he is about to host a lunch with president trump in just moments. so i appreciate his taking time now. secretary-general, what do you make of what the president said? that we're essentially, united states, not getting what we paid for? >> that message is about fair burden-sharing. that has been the message from president trump both in the u.n.

and in nato. and i think it is important to work for fair burden-sharing in international organizations like nato and the u.n. and in nato we see that european allies and canada are now stepping up. for the first time in many, many years, there are now not decreasing but increasing the defense spending. which strengthened nato but also contributes to a fair burden-sharing within the alliance. and also at the u.n. we need to be focused how we make sure all countries contribute their fair share. neil: the president also referred to the north korean leader, sir, as "rocket man." we would take it upon ourselves to deal militarily to wipe out north korea if we had to. what did you think of that language? >> president trump is a president who has used strong language before. he often uses strong rhetoric.

for me the important thing is that international community is united in condemning north korea, developing nuclear weapons and long-range missiles and also united in efforts to stop north korea from continuing to do so. therefore we need the strong economic sanctions. we need all diplomatic and political efforts we can have to make sure north korea is not active developing these weapons. neil: he did say u.s. will have no choice but to destroy north korea if forced. that got the foreign press across the world lighting up even, democratic critics here in the united states. do you think that was appropriate language. >> the united states has right to defend itself and allies and

is global threat to the entire world and a threat that requires a global response. at same time we all should continue to work for a peaceful solution because, military actions is always dangerous and can always create even more difficult situations. so we will continue to work for a political solution. neil: mr. secretary, is it your sense this would end up in war? that sanction and sanctions after emergency meeting, after emergency meeting whether u.n. acts alone or in concert with the u.n., that north korea is leaving with us no other choice? >> i will be careful speculating but i will say that there is no easy way out of this situation. as long as north korea continues to violate u.n. resolutions and continues to develop their

nuclear weapons and missile capabilities. we need to try to find a route between doing nothing and just watching north korea developing these weapons and using military force which is always a very dangerous and difficult tool to use. and therefore we, we need to continue to work for strong sanctions, and continue to press north korea to stop developing these weapons. this is not easy, but i think we still have to focus on this. neil: secretary-general, thank you. you secretary general, thank you.secretary general, thank secretary general joining us from the united nations. thank you, sir. again, the president with very strong words from north korea. the president earlier on north korea. >> responsible for the starvation deaths of millions of north koreans or for the imprisonment, torture, killing

and oppression of countless more. the united states has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. neil: all right, the response across the globe startled alarm even democratic senators, diane feinstein, something that spoke of wanting a war, i'm paraphrasing here so i don't want to overstate it. they felt the president overstated the case for violent action against north koreans. retired navy captain, the wreath from the left and other countries, the president was laying the case for going to war in north korea, was he? >> i think he was removing any and all ambiguity and what he

said right square off the shoulders was if north korea threatens the united states or our allies, we will have no choice. that message was targeted right to beijing and moscow as well because beijing has great influence over north korea. they pretend that they don't, but they are the 80% trading partner. they've got influence and the russians and the chinese as the neil: you know, i want to quote again from diane feinstein in which she said the goal of the united nations are to promote global cooperation. today she said the president used it as stage to threaten war. do you think he did that? >> not at all, neil. i think the president since

coming to oval office has studied classified briefing books. he understands what a war with north korea means. i have done war games on this a number of times and every time i played scenario, millions of people get turned to atopic -- atomic ash. he needs to be clear to kim jong un and what he tries to say to him, look, if you launch a nuclear weapon at the united states or any allies, we will destroy you. by the way, neil, u.s. stated nuclear policy going back to 1950's so there's nothing new here. does trump put that in lapping -- language with unique speech, absolutely but nothing to get hysterical over. neil: interesting when i was watching north korean representatives, oddly enough get in front row, thought they would intimidate him, it didn't have the effect, at least from what i could see, he kept

escalating, rocket man, not putting up with north korea. does that register when you hear from the president, sitting feet away from him or is it just the same sort of the un, this is what they do, they talk back and forth? >> i think the president when he called out and he called out the un, he called out venezuela, cuba, he called them out. it was blunt language and very direct language and, yeah, there was probably a lot of pearl clutching going on in the audience. the fact of the matter is, he is a guy who clearly lays out what he is thinking. you know, it doesn't appear that there's a great amount of filter in there. he's telling people exactly -- and the press said, oh, he's not going to mention islamic terrorism because the pentagon had an objection so he took it out of speech, well, they took tear down the wall out of

reagan's speech too. neil: harry, one of the things i learned from talking to you, nato secretary general in most polite terms, that's not the way they speak there but he acknowledged that donald trump speaks a little bit differently. i would imagine to diplomatic community, he was like a bowl in a china shop there. >> the president is not barack obama, he's not george w. bush, he's not bill clinton. keep in mind, he's not a politician. his world is the rough and tumble streets of new york city where heroes -- he rose from modest-size fortune and rose his way to the top. he didn't get there by stroking egos and being a normal person. that's why the american people elected him. he speaks in a very different language and he's trying to speak to not only the american people but that's different from

president obama who won a nobel prize. neil: there's a decorum that's expected. one of the things i noticed was flawed as it might be, it is deemed to be international agreement. there was donald trump telegraphing exactly that's exactly what he does. this is regarding iran. listen to this. >> the iran deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the united states has ever entered into. frankly, that deal is an embarrassment to the united states and i don't think you've heard the last of it, believe me. it is time for the entire world to join us in demanding that iran's government end its pursuit of death and destruction

neil: you know, captain, i always wished that there was thought bubbles of leaders listening to donald trump. i guess it would be a bad far side. what did you make of what he was saying because he seemed to be saying that even if you can't prove that iran has violated the deal, they violated, he said repeatedly, the spirit of the deal, has a very good hunch that they're working with the north koreans. but wouldn't you need proof of that at least to go to united nations and say let's rip this turkey up? >> well, i think the united states and -- has entered into a very, very bad deal and what we have to consider is that at the same time kim jong un is over there testing intercontinental ballistic missiles and iranians are tied into the program. regime change really ought to be our policy for iran as

denuclearization is our policy for korea. and once you put those things on the table, then you start getting the machinery, you start turning the knobs and the gears and you try to draw the rest of the world in it. you have two rogue regimes who are about to have nuclear weapons deliverable against any enemy they choose. neil: just to make the point i often do this on this broadcast that markets are kind of uncanny indicators for angst or lack thereof. if they are concerned into this escalating into war, either with north korea or for that matter ripping up agreements with iran and facing whatever, they're not too concern, we are in record territory again. are they just willy-nilly

ignoring risks here or are they right? what do you think, harry? >> sorry, neil. no. i think really the markets should be concerned. i mean, this is something neil, i've studied over and over again and specially when it comes to north korea, it isn't the north koreans that are going to attack us, accidental launching of missile and maybe crashes in solar japan. something like that can spark a war. the markets need to bake in the idea of possible accidental sort of situation. i think that's the greatest fear that i really stay up at night worrying about. that's what we need to be concerned about. neil: all right, captain, apparently the north korean delegation walked out right before the president used the stark warning about totally destroying north korea but not before the rocket man comment. what did you make of that? they probably saw that and said, all right, why don't we get out,

what do you think? >> it's symbolic just like many of the things that the kim regime has been doing, but once you get passed the symbolic theater, the dance that they do up there in the un and you reflect back on what's really going on, just as was stated a couple of minutes ago, this is really serious because it's not just miscalculation, it's the accidental launch of a weapon that could take really, really bad things happen, it could make bad things happen and it wouldn't be intentional, it would be accidental, but because the sides don't trust each other so much, it's going to be deemed intentional. neil: all right, gentlemen, i want to thank you both very, very much, good reads on crazy day. getting crazier for puerto rico, bracing for direct hit from maria, hurricane maria now a category 5 storm and, you know, puerto rico is still hurting from the last storm.

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here but they have tagged it to maria, maybe in preparation to maria and what's coming. it could be a doozy of what's coming. fox news meteorologist adam klotz at the weather center. what are we looking at here? >> gusting up to 195, already a category 5 storm, just passed and ran through overnight hours yesterday, we are going to expect to be running on puerto rico pretty quickly. you are looking at the outer bands hitting the u.s. virgin islands and bans in puerto rico, san juan saw thunderstorms all with outer bands. there's the center of circulation as massive storm continues to head the direction. category 5. it moves just south of a couple of the islands before eventually running over puerto rico early tomorrow morning, as it makes the move, it begins to weaken a little bit.

still very powerful and strong winds, moving across the island on wednesday. good news with this particular system, in keys, spots that were hit by irma in the united states, you see this big turn to the right, so most of our models are in agreement this is going to be heading up on the east side of the bahamas here as we get into the weekend. islands still need to pay close attention. one of the biggest concerns with this is the wind, everything in that ball right there, those are hurricane force winds right around the center of circulation. you're looking at it go over u.s. virgin islands, right over san juan, puerto rico before it moves off. how fast winds are going to be, intense? these are forecast models getting into tonight and wednesday morning, up to a buck 25, 130. these are some very, very high numbers and this goes on for hours and hours, neil, that begins to really beat up an

area. otherwise and we are beginning to notice here in new york, mid-atlantic, we do have hurricane josé weakening, likely to become tropical storm. overcast conditions, rain moving in long island area, winds gusting 40 to 50 miles an hour. concern specially right along the coast. it continues to be busy in the atlantic, neil. neil: adam, thank you, fox news meteorologist n. the -- in the meantime puerto rico is in the direct path of maria. that would be anything from fuel to food. the former governor of puerto rico joins us. governor, thank you for taking the time. i know there's sort of a drill to this sadly puerto ricans get

used to although this is unusually severe. >> indeed. neil: a lot of puerto ricans did a great deal to help island neighbors with irma. and i'm wondering now whether they find themselves in a stretch here. >> indeed, neil, it's nothing like we have seen in the last 85, 90 years. with irma we had tropical storm winds and winds -- and some rain, but nothing like this. that's why we were able to receive over 1500 people from the u.s. virgin islands and british virgin islands that needed help. this would actually have catastrophic effect on infrastructure. thank goodness codes are pretty strict in puerto rico and code compliant properties which are most will withstand the winds. the problem is low-lying areas

in water and secondly once it's over the reconstruction process will be costly and take a long time. neil: you know, what is the best advice? when you overlay the storm over puerto rico, dwarfs it, it's so big. people head to mountains or evacuation shelters. what do you tell people who are concerned they can't live the common wealth, what do you tell them? >> heed the advise of the authorities, the state government and federal government are working hand in hand on this. there are shelters that have been ready just in case. your property is not up to par and if you live in low-lying areas, the concern will be water because apparently the system will bring plenty of water in the process. the other thing is that once it's over, be careful. you have to be careful because there may be some -- some

dangers out there with electric power, you know, probably will be down for a while and there maybe some live lines that could cause a lot of trouble. neil: governor, these hopely are -- hopefully short-lived developments. a lot of people look at this, i have seen it happen again and again even in florida related storms, maybe not good idea to go to the caribbean island, how do you deal with something like that, people take a look around and say, boy, that's a dangerous place to go, i'm not going to go at the least the hurricane season is over which is end of november? >> september is peak of the season. try not to go during the month of september. the infrastructure should be up

and running by the holiday season again and people should be safe and be able to go and enjoy great weather and the ocean and everything else that -- that puerto rico and the other islands have to offer. but certainly during the month of september specially it can be very tricky and, you know, normally people don't try to avoid planning weddings and other events or what have you if you're from the region because you know better, even if you're not -- if you don't have direct hit but if you have tropical storm winds and a lot of rain, your event may be facing a lot of trouble and people canceling and what have you. neil: yeah, it's all about being safe. governor, thank you very much. my best to -- >> we hope for the best, certainly. neil: absolutely. right back at you. i do want to let you know there are talks continuing about repealing obamacare. i know you've heard that a million times but they really

seem to be making headway on something that even has the vice president of the united states involved. mike pence saying that they are making progress on a new health care effort that has a lot more support among a lot more republicans than prior efforts. for these guys -- the argument would be that it would help them on tax cut. it seems to be talked about a lot more now. ♪

neil: all right, so who says this obamacare repeal effort is dead? insisting that progress is being made and, if so, could lay the ground work for tax cuts as well. of course, time is a waste. blake berman following all the developments from the nation's capitol, blake. >> here we are again to try to

reshape the health care system. at this hour right now the vice president mike pence up here on the capitol huddling with senate republicans to try to get him to support the latest iteration, the graham-cassidy bill in essence tries to allow blocked grants to the states for assistance while also getting rid of a lot of the obamacare taxes. the key players are many of the same when we were going through reform, key senators among them, lisa murkowski of alaska, susan collins and john mccain. there's already one firm no on the republican side and that is senator rand paul. >> all it does is reshuffle the proceeds from democratic states that keep the obamacare spending but instead of sending it to democrat states it's sending to republican states. that's why i call it pity. blake: mitch mcconnell called

graham-cassidy bill intriguing idea, will not include enough coverage detail. >> the senators on the other side of the aisle should be walking around here with a blindfold over their eyes because they don't know what they're voting on. maybe they don't care. blake: why now you might ask? the ability for republican senators to get the 50 plus 1 threshold to any bill or at least health care bill rather across the finish line expires at the end of this month. right now they are quite literally down to just a matter of days, neil. neil: blake berman, thank you very much. the president arriving at the united nations luncheon with general who was here with us a while ago. they happily explained to the president and everybody seemed to be understanding about it. that's the way these guys roll.

republican congressman sean duffy. congressman, let's talk about the rework to once again repeal obamacare that it's gaining currency where other measures have not. do you know as we are looking at the president, sir, where he stands on this or is this hopeful that something is approved? >> well, we know that the president wants to push his agenda which is tax reform and health care reform, so the president is on board and the agent of the president is vice president, mike pence who you just reported is working on the hill trying to get the votes for package. if i can say one thing, it's laughable chuck schumer said republicans are going forward with a blindfold of their eyes, wasn't it nancy pelosi said we have to pass a bill to find out what's in it. the hypocrisy coming from democrats. this is simple stuff. we want a block grant. who knows constituents better and health care constituents more than bureaucrats in washington, d.c. neil: does it bother u, -- you,

congressman that the president chose to negotiate more with them on key legislative matters? >> well, he hasn't negotiated with them on -- on health care or tax. on health care they want a single-payer, neil. neil: open to try to wiggle votes from democrats because the margin is so thin from the senate. you might be right. they might be able to wrestle votes but i'm really going to rely on republicans but has he alienated many in your base for doing this? people want border security and part of the wall, if we can get democrats in and get on the same page, that's a good thing. we are not about a party but america. that's a really good thing and you get a better package that way. the problem on health care is we are going in two different directions. as you've heard democrats want a

single-payer system and so we are fighting and swimming upstream and we need 50 democrats with the vice president to get the package across the floor. i look at rand paul and right now he's not positioned in calling this obamacare like, we are in a position where we don't do anything obamacare on pathway to single payer as oppose let's scale back and give more control to governments which is the smartest way to move forward. i think republican and democrat senators went home over august break, people elected said, what the hell are you doing, we sent you there to fulfill promise of fixing health care, our premiums are skyrocketing and you're sitting there fighting, figure this thing out. i think they've come back to washington with a renewed sense of purpose to find a pathway forward in health care. that's why you are seeing new life and new plan in the senate. neil: i know you've been

extremely busy today, congressman, have you had a chance to react to the president on north korea, rocket man, take it all away, unilateral action if the un doesn't get their act together, my interpretation, what do you make of it? >> i thought the president was cristal clear. we want the nations of the world to come together and help us on north korea and if they don't, he layed out pretty clearly where we are going to go which is defamation of north korea and that is the last option, worst option but that option is on the table and that was shocking for world leaders to hear today. but, again, in donald trump fashion, cristal clearly delivering the american first message which they are not used to hearing which i thought was pretty cool. neil: thank you, congressman, thank you for taking the time. beautiful state of wisconsin.

>> thank you. neil: host of other liberals said that he was provocative as north korea launching missiles every other week is not. be that as it may. the president at luncheon with these guys. we are all here, we are all here to look at the greater good of the world. and make sure everything's clear. yeah, that would be great. being proactive... it's how edward jones makes sense of investing.

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said that the united nations has tremendous potential and under your leadership and i have seen what you've done working with nikki haley and all of her friends, she's made so many friends and rex tillerson like wise have become fixture here but no better forum, there can be no better forum and certainly there can be no better location where everybody comes together, so i want to congratulate you, the word is potential. the potential of the united states in terms of what it's done has been wonderful, but we can do better and we are going to. the potential of the united nations is unlimited and i really believe -- i've met representatives and i know you will, you are going to do things that will be epic and i certainly hope you will, but i feel very, very confident.

i just want to toast to everybody in the room and let's give this as a toast to the potential, the great, great potential of the united nations. thank you all for being here. thank you very much. [inaudible conversations] neil: all right, we will wait to see if the president says anything else or a live mic, the moment i live for. the president toasting and he was criticizing today saying when push comes to push, there's a moment that we have to act against north korea and we minding delegation that is weren't there from china and, for example, russia, that you can't ignore this threat, north korea, and sending the same message out to the iranians deal

that he has prepared, excuse me, charlie gasparino, how is he doing? >> i don't know. the fruit will be in the pudding. do they listen to him? does he have enough stature to convince the chinese? the end game is china and, you know, china has been a critic to have president. he ran a campaign where he basically said everything from currency manipulating and stealing our secrets. now, there's a point where we need china to step up on north korea. can he do that? will they do that, and, you know, i don't know. this is a really dangerous thing. they are kind of in a sense isolating a lunatic, right, but, you know, when you put a -- when you corner a rat, you know what they usually do, rats usually fight back. neil: what i am wondering is whatever comments there is sort

of a decorum in the united nations and we talk today nato secretary general hosting this luncheon or one of the big attendees and he said, we understand, donald trump, we know and remember his campaign, finally all the nice words to say, but if you read and you read the reaction, very different than prior presidents. not that that's good or bad but certainly different cup of tea. do you get a sense from president trump as the world prepared that this is the guy that if they don't do something or -- or go beyond sanctions that seem to have very little in the way helps, he would take action on its own and that's what frightens them? >> listen, one of the positive things about trump is he basically wants to -- i think there's a positiveness in the notion that he's unpredictable, you can't predict him and that keeps people on edge.

that might not be the worst thing in the situation. that said, if you start threatening, if you keep threatening, threatening and not doing it, you know what i'm saying -- you really have an issue, people won't buy your -- neil: if the markets were concerned that he was tipping closer to world war iii, they're not showing it. >> he didn't come out -- neil: i'm not saying he did. the markets seem to handle missile launches, fiery talk, up sanctioned, sanctions, with calm. >> sanctions are good. sanctions is not war and the market believes -- what most investors think if we can economic isolate them, if we can get china to help us with this -- neil: you think they can? that's the dirty little secret. >> i speak to a lot of chinese businessmen in the united states, these are very rich guys and women who do a lot of

business with major banks. i speak with them all of the time. the businessman, woman and man, despise north korea and dictator. he's impediment to everything that they stand for. they want to do business with the united states and they want a mutual relationship where both players make money. remember, they hold our debt. the real question is the government, the government is interesting to china. they are kind of capitalist but, you know, xi he talks a lot -- neil: let me switch gears because i have judge andrew napolitano for the whole manafort thing, had it been the president as well mixed up in the tapping, manafort is going to be indicted it sounds like, the question is for what. >> i will just say don't jump to the conclusion here. just because --

neil: doesn't have for something that you and i think it's germane to the case. >> that's why this whole thing predated the campaign apparently. let's be real clear, i have seen this thing play out in white-collar crimes, investigations a hundred times, busts down the guys doors, goes in there, says we have you on wiretap because we have a court order, we found probable cause to tap phone -- neil: didn't they raid the house as well? >> that's standard operating procedure. they took computers. neil: let's say it's something that doesn't have anything to do with all this other stuff -- >> that's what i believe. neil: that it could squeeze him to get -- >> that's their standard operating. go up chain and up chain leads to the president of the united states. neil: do you think that fear, suspicion is what's real? >> i think it's real. listen, this is like -- there's a play book here. i saw it with steve cohn.

hedge fund manager was never personally indicted. they will do this sort of raid on people around him, michael steinberg, you name it, to get to flip. neil: you can't just look at you're grasping at straws. doesn't mueller have to get something and soon -- >> i don't know. they've been looking at this guy since 2014, right, they have something there. i'm just saying that this is the standard operating procedure. people around the person at the top that they are looking at and you sort of flip them as you work up and make no mistake about it, they are going -- mueller is going for trump. i'm not saying he's going to get him. i'm not even saying that manafort did anything wrong. i have seen the cases dissipate.

i'm telling you they are going after him and they are trying to squeeze people around him to give stuff up about the campaign and they are going to way their way up. that doesn't mean -- neil: to matter what it's on, many, many people who -- look at ray donovan. doesn't mean anything. >> let's be clear. we should point out the president can't be indicted. mueller can write a report that says, hey, he did all the bad things. he can only be impeached. he can't be indicted. neil: he could recommend -- >> here are -- ask the judge about this. neil: yeah. >> do what you want with it, congress. neil: thank you very much, a lot of legal drama building around the president of the united states. in the meantime we have real drama building up just off the

country, puerto rico, bracing for hurricane maria. obviously if that isn't bad enough, all of this coming at a time when home builder confidence was picking up slipping after the hurricane, a lot of people rethinking moves even for vacation homes to florida, caribbean. former fannie mae justify, can this sort of stuff happens during hurricane season, specially when it's busy as this one has been but usually short-lived. florida is still a draw, yeah the gulf is still a draw and they shake that off. but in the meantime, the slowdown is palpable, people are getting anxious, aren't they? >> yeah, hi, neil. this is the first time in history that you've had two category 4 east coast hurricanes hit in a year and make no mistake, florida is in big trouble. we look at it from just a housing perspective just alone,

easy to size these things up. you think about florida and texas combined. that's about 5 million homes that have been affected by this in some way, shape or form. it's about $750 billion worth of mortgages that are underlying that. back to your point, the businesses, the business community has been really crushed in florida. we do a lot of vocationing -- vacationing in the island and we have pictures and colleagues who work there, they describe as snowstorm in the east. it's a disaster, it's going to take a long time to clean those up and for businesses to get back online. neil: what happens? coil spring and back into action with the rebuilding and all the activity and people sort of forget this and move on, not all of the time. it's been an unusual as you say hurricane season but what's your sense of it? >> i think it's going to take a couple of quarters for this to

happen, for this to really rehabilitating and get back to relative normal. what's going to happen first is you need to clear all of the debris and what you found particularly in florida is that you have a lot of infrastructure problems. this isn't like dangling power lines, cement posts, 60,000 workers to get the power back up. you saw half a million folks that still don't have power. a long way to go to get back to normalcy. you have the whole process once you clear things up and fix utilities about reconstruction and getting revitalization of the economy and governments aren't very good at revitalizing those economies. they can find ways to rebuild. you will have fannie mae and freddie may and fha who guaranty 90% of those properties in harm's way, they will be looking at some sort of credit event and not to get off topic, think about that when you're looking at housing reform and fannie mae

and freddie mac have been stripped of all capital, now you have the perfect storm literally where they will be in a position where they could exhaust capital they have and be forced to have a draw from the treasury department. that's going to get crazy in a hurry. neil: if the treasury is so inclined. thank you very much. in the meantime, you know things are bad when -- when dreamers and protestors are shouting down nancy pelosi. [shouting]

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>> stop it. just stop it. just stop it now. just stop it now. just stop it now. [shouting] >> you don't know what you're talking about. you are not helping the cause. neil: all right, whatever you think of nancy pelosi for dreamer protestors to shout her down, she's about the best friend they have on capitol hill. again, you might not like her or

whatever your politics, but it tells you where the discourse has gone, where someone has been their champion on the hill is criticized maybe simply because she was working with the president of the united states on daca, on illegals and kids that were here. regardless, it's something that you don't often see but we found it amazing and if you hear it enough, you can set it on a loop and it's kind -- well, it's interesting. commentary writer, and political reporter. the anger on the left is just as pronounced, extreme left where the bikerring on the right and the middle of the republican party, you don't see it played out this way but it is amazing to me, what do you make of it? >> truly incredible, neil, no doubt about it. up here an capitol hill i have

been talking to democrats specifically in hispanic caucus who were blasting pelosi and schumer for working with trump to try to come up with a deal. neil: was that the issue -- whatever they were doing, they were doing on their own but this time working or thinking that they could cobble a deal together with trump? >> that's exactly right. the democrats were telling me that they were concerned that pelosi and schumer weren't pushing hard enough forcitizenship for the dreamers. this highlights the vulnerable of trump's new strategy and that basically is that democrats have no political upside in terms of working with trump. to the base trump is very toxic, they don't want democratic leaders to be compromising with the president. short of trump, the president giving democrats everything they want and not getting anything in return, the reality of getting a deal with democrats is that it's going to be very difficult

because the bar is going to be so high given the toxicidty with the base right now. neil: they are the ones who could be shy dealing with them now. >> this is true. from all the talk a from working with the president and b the democrats. democratic party -- neil: same applies, emily. i raised this with rachel, extreme on both parties may be calling the shots. this could be a preview of calling -- >> this deal would be something that's beneficial to dreamers.

this would help to dreamers. neil: surely they've got to know that. >> you think. it's counterproductive. they are holding policy hostage of no compromise, no interaction, cooperation with president trump. it's counterproductive and it won't help them and it's going to kill the party if they don't do something about it. neil: where is it going and where does it tip off, rachel, what this means on what democrats could do even on immigration reform and these are the same folks who hold democrats to the fire, i can't imagine anything getting done there. >> certainly going to be difficult, you know, with all this tension going on right now. look, there's something i hear conservatives and whenever i hear fighting going on between republicans and the house and conservatives, a lot of times you have the centrist republicans say don't be the enemy of the good. right now i'm hearing pelosi's allies saying the same sort of thing to the far-left side of

the wing. neil: didn't see this coming. >> there's no doubt about it. republicans control the white house. they control the senate and the house. that's the reality that democrats have to realize. the fact that pelosi and schumer were able to get the president to commit to finding a path through legal status for the dreamers is a huge deal. conservatives are furious over this. it really was a big deal to the democrats to be able to do that. neil: emily, if this is a sign of the appreciation on the extreme left, boy, i don't know how much the party is going to move in that direction going forward? >> well, yeah, they are moving in that direction. we saw 15 come out last week and support single-payer health care where republican legislation has been compromise, so republicans are learn to go deal with -- learning to deal with this.

neil: all right, guys, thank you very much. all right. puerto rico now activated national guard, calling for evacuations, if you have somewhere to go, go to it now because maria is bearing down. maria is a category 5 and puerto rico is not ready to handle something like that, after this kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin trusted advice for life. kevin, how's your mom? life well planned. see what a raymond james financial advisor can do for you. the toothpaste that helps prevent bleeding gums. if you spit blood :

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. neil: all right. donald trump busy at the u.n. today. a bilateral meeting with peter thompson. meeting with the amir. we're live on your world 4:00 p.m. eastern time when that is kicking off. he can say the darndest things and make a lot of news. we're there. trish regan from here. hey, trish. trish: he has a way of doing it. president trump delivering a very direct, a very fiery speech at the u.n. general assembly urging the international community to rein in north korea. welcome everyone, to "the intelligence report." kim jong-un and pursuit of nuclear weapons claiming the regime is on a suicide mission and the united states may have no choice but to destroy them. all of this as the north korean delegation sat right in the front row. watch. >> north korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear weapons and