>> i think 24,800. stuart: you think go up 500 points into the close? whoa, brave man. >> 24,375. a little bit higher. stuart: let's see who is right tomorrow. neil, it is yours now. neil: do you think, stuart we have too many crazy financial products today? if the jury is not concluded on this, besides all the mutual fund and stocks and etfs, al these volatility measures, cbo fear index. think about the gobbledygook from velocity shares, then the proshares, short vix, short-term futures etf, these are vehicles to trade on other vehicles, i sometimes wonder if this idea, sort of secure people from losing money in the markets actually makes it worse?

sort of analogous to portfolio insurance in '87. stuart: not like you to engage me in conversations in the first minutes of your show but i will tell you -- neil: i'm kidding. i'm kidding. there is always sort of a monday morning quarterback that comes back to look at weird things prior. you and i can remember the whole portfolio insurance thing of 87. just me, just me alone, all these creative products that are meant to sort of cushion the blow of just market forces end up creating the crisis to begin with? stuart: all i will say is, neil, don't ever come on my show with that stuff, you will get the buzzer throughout. that is a fact. i should have taken your question seriously. i got a car waiting for me right outside. it is warming up. neil: lizzie would appreciate my curiosity on this. liz: yes i do. neil: talking to the wrong person amounts soon as the

papers were cleared, that's it. thank you, my friend. i think stuart is absolutely right to say i'm obsessing about something so arcane. we didn't have these product as little more than a few years ago. now you have a big financial money bank, credit suisse, we're dropping one of them. man, oh, man, it is killing us. we'll get to that in a second. get to the back and forth volatility in a second. focus on. 10-year treasury. that has been the focus of a great deal of attention. we never know the trigger point which people move into that as safety. what we do know is we have had 1000 point trading range in the dow alone right now. and we are also hearing that steve mnuchin, the treasury secretary, is not too, too much concerned about this volatility, telling a lot of folks as things stand right now the markets are doing what they should. to which the financial press said, duh. let's go to deirdre bolton to

break it all down, what is going on right now. >> neil, you were talking about all the wild swings in all the markets. look at the dow. this is the-point range for the dow itself. we'll pull up an intraday chart. you will see essentially it looks like a series of little mountain peaks. this is crazy. a lot of people i've been speaking with, in the next 48 hours we'll still have volatility just as some much these formulas you were talking about, algorithms, that people write, they decide when they want to sell. the machines do what they want, they do it faster. you have had increase in volatility. what feels shocking about the past three days, as we put it in context, i show you the chart you already know, neil, but the end of january, we kept hitting high after high after high. a lot of strategists, fundamental stratgifts saying listen, we were kind of lulled into this peaceful place, this eight-year plus pull market.

that is what making the selling of the past three days feel all more shocking. not just us, we're affecting trade around the world. look at asia and europe, we'll pull up those levels. you had huge losses in japan, hang seng and singapore. same thing in europe. just a selloff across the board. i spoke to a few people to what extent the algorithms are affecting our trade. one trader told me yesterday when we had 900 point drop in ten minutes, that gut lurch, he said listen, nothing breathing could have caused that drop that fast. this was set up by a formula. essentially giving investors of all stripes a little gut check of epic proportions. this is hazing of jerome powell's first day as chair of fed. welcome. neil, back to you. neil: talk about baptism by fire? only couple months later that green green -- alan greenspan

came on board. mark cuban told us earlier he is buying something but as concerned about something else, people stuck with a a lot of margin debt. others were telling me, no, neil, this is pricey, price earnings that guys like you look at? >> depends what our personal financial situation is. if you have to mark-to-market every day, then you shouldn't be in the market. i think part of the problem today, why we had the biggest selloff ever, when markets to straight up the past 14 or so months. people get overconfident. there is saying everybody is a genius in a bull market. when they get overconfident, they start buying on margin. that works until it doesn't. you have had people, i saw something recently there were a record number of retail accounts

set up recently, a lot of money coming in from individual investors was at records. a lot of that was probably being borrowed. if all of a sudden you get an alert on your phone or get a call from your broker and your stocks are down significantly you bought on margin, you're pretty much forced to sell. i think that contributed a lot to today's decline. neil: you know, everyone of the recent hits we've experienced in the markets that margin call, when your broker calls you up, look you have to sell stock or add some cash to your account to make things whole here, that is always been something that continues the falloff here. now you may not know it in your brokerage account but the default for a lot of these guys is to make sure whatever additional stocks, mutual funds you buy on margins based on value of your portfolio. usually 50% of what you have there you can buy additionally. they argue it is neat, clean, very efficient. the problem with that when

things turn south it quickly loses its neatness and efficiency. let's get the read from charlie gasparino. lauren simonetti i saw her at 4:00 in the morning. david asman is here round-the-clock as well. lauren, you had wind what was going on in asia. selloff ensuing. europe, worst levels by day's end but still very, very volatile. >> i couldn't see the futures where my cameras was, i was anchoring with connell, passing me notes, down 200, up two. down 300. neil: he was making it up. >> making it up. passing love notes. no, it is crazy environment. you don't know what to expect. we saw europe open down 3%. then it was down two. neil: right. >> asia just destroyed. japan was down almost 5% today. so some really ugly involved numbers but everyone keeps saying why? they seem to be following the

u.s. market. they seem to be citing central bank policy perhaps not here in the u.s. but around the world will change today. hazing day yesterday for mr. powell. neil: absolutely. >> will central banks respond to inflation a la wage growth? the fact that interest rates are going up. which is not a bad thing,. neil: david, you and i covered '87 crash in different venues, velocity shares, inverse provix, wonky and everyone is right to criticize me, they were tumbling, be markets, down 80, 90%, setting up fall in the morning. here is why the inspiration of those indices, for those protections were to shield you from market forces. >> right. neil: i consider them to be a modern-day portfolio insurance which was stupid then in '87.

i think just as stupid now, as if you can shield yourself from market force. >> only way you shield yourself is by diversifying. that's why one. new instruments, etfs, our old friend ben stein talks about is spdr fund. get a spdr. diversified in 500 stocks, ride out the storm. neil: that is the mark cuban approach. >> it all depends on your time frame. if you're looking to make a lot of money over the next six months, you're in tough shape right now. but if you're putting money in a spdr for a couple of years, forget about it. this storm is going to pass. that is true. we're not going into recession. that is the important thing. if it were a terrible economy and mark credit crash like this it woulding long-term route for next couple years that is not the case. we have relatively strong economy. there are headwind we have to head into with higher interest rates. generally speaking the economy

is good. when the economy is good it generally reflects in the market as long as you have long-term time frame, one or two years. neil: we heard from the trump administration, heard from treasury secretary steve mnuchin to your point, no one doubts the economic fundamentals are sound. did the market fundamentals get ahead of them? >> i think so. here is where i disagree with some of you. first off these crazy products, we get them all the time. neil: you're absolutely right. >> whats thing in 2007, 2008, derivative of mortgage-backed security. >> cdos. >> synthetic -- neil: if you want to do wonk on tear road thing, every single selloff has been punctuated by -- >> remember what carl icahn said two years ago. the etfs sell into illiquidity. there is not a lot of buyers. by the way even if you put your money in a spdr etf that buys the -- neil: dow or s&p or whatever.

>> looks what happens. you get redemptions. they don't sell one stock. they sell baskets of stocks. >> that's right. >> then there is somebody that buys it. it comes back up. neil: these products are now part of a mix and weird and wacky algorithms that get crazy. >> that too. remember people did not buy a lot of individual stocks. they bought mostly basket of stocks. neil: algorithms are set off bit baskets and set off, very unemotional. >> the baskets are timed to algorithms to peg off certain economic news. neil: this is what i feared. this is what i feared. >> bottom line is if you're borrowing money to get into some of these instruments you're really risking the home for that sort of thing. if you're doing that to get to the instruments charlie is talking about, forget about it. neil: but it compounds the volatility. we used to focus on, as we should, the cboe volatility index, level of fear, it is a snapshot. these were two new things

created by the same folks. inverse to protect you -- i'm i know i'm sounding wonky and obsessive -- >> credit default swaps. neil: my point people use these to shield themselves from market forces you can not do that. >> my point, generally you can't, but my point is those are not the reasons why we have a -- neil: they compound them. whatever is going on. >> everything is compounded when the heard starts moving certain way. -- herd. trump's fiscal policy, markets debate we get three, 3 1/2% growth or not much more growth. if we don't get more growth, the markets are saying you know what. >> we'll get much bigger deficits, much higher interest rates, not the 2.75% 10-year. figure like 3.75%. then we will have not just a market correction. we will have a recess. now the markets are saying that. by the way, david, we had the

conversation yesterday. i don't subscribe to that a lot of smart people think the corporate tax cut will not happen. not produce 3 1/2% growth you need. neil: what prompted the reassessment? we have the same forces, same macro forces? >> first of all the two weeks ago mistake by mnuchin who talked down the dollar. you just don't do that. that is what, that is what happened the day before the market crash in 1987. the treasury secretary back then it, was james baker talked down the dollar on sunday. monday the market went down 2 22 that is really big mistake. he tried to today. one good news, gold is down. if there is flight to quality, it is not going to gold. you know where it is going? the dollar. it going into the dollar maybe a good sign the dollar market is recovering. neil: he had an interesting

report, data is good. psychology is poor. >> what changed the psychology? neil: that is what i'm asking you. i ask the questions. i'm kidding. to make a point that trigger point comes when people either pounce on anomaly or something that hints that the crowd is wrong. >> everything that we've seen thus far, despite thesefy races and volatility making it is orderly. a lot of computers are selling. a lot of things seem orderly. what changed the psychology. neil: this is same guys that don't see it coming. >> i'm going with the jobs report. how do you explain the atlanta fed saying we'll see 5.4%? >> how do you explain the atlanta fed you have to stop because they say a lot of crazy things. george soros, they have been wild on predictions and stuff.

>> by the way the market is up 100 points. very interesting. >> we're talking it up. >> i guess so. >> george soros a guy we don't quote a lot on this network, talks a lot about herd mentality herd mentality could have been trump putting tariffs on chinese goods. people saying where are valuations? are we overvalued on based on corporate earnings? will this tax cut materially affect gdp? they said screw it. take some profits. because i'm telling you, neil, if we don't get 3 1/2% gdp, what that really means, let's do the math, that means the budget deficit more than widens out in the first year. neil: you're making a leap might be a catalyst. >> that is what the markets are doing. neil: 10% correction. we don't see that by day's end or soon, would you be worried

about that? that we haven't experienced that. >> not, not at all. i think the market may in fact turn around for positive reasons because they think that eventually the, these nerds who look at the figures and don't belief in effect of tax cuts are wrong. if the market decides, i agree with you, if we don't get the sizable increase in gdp, then the deficits are a problem. they will have to sell a trillion dollars worth of bonds at the treasury department and the fed will have to sell $600 billion worth of bonds. the only way they can sell that many bonds in the market by raising interest rates. you know what that does to the market and economy. >> you know your reputation and larry kudlow's reputation and my reputation is on the line here. neil: you don't have a reputation. >> what little i had, i walked right into that, what little i had, because we all believed that tax cuts produce faster growth. neil: we don't know that they haven't. >> they just haven't. >> we don't know that they have. neil: you are assigning

something -- market is not doing that at all. >> yes, they are. neil: no it is not. market is not doing this. i am telling you whatever is going on here has to do with these exotic products that are -- >> no. neil: i might alert you, credit suisse is already announced that it is ending its association with pro-shares, short vix etfs. for two reasons, one it's a mouthful and it is long. secondly it didn't do what it is billed to do. tell you folks, we will have more such stories. don't listen to charlie gasparino. he has no reputation. a we'll have more after this. (snap) (snap) achoo! achoo! feel a cold coming on? zicam cold remedy nasal swabs shorten colds with a snap, and reduce symptom severity by 45%.

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neil: why the market can be your friend, can turn on you and be your enemy. the gipper got it. what is the balance for the new president? i'm told ronald reagan was loathe to quote the stock market a lot or brag about it. this president not so much. so you worry about the president mentioning the stock market so much, good reason to. it has soared, but the old saw it can come back to bite you. this president has been often quoting these markets. bill clinton was loathe to do

thats a least quote the markets, to pair phrase him, like ronald reagan, you don't want to be caught in a middle of a big crash. the president owns the markets on the way up. does the president own them on the way down? we might get first hint from the white house briefing. where they're coming from this, treasury secretary steve mnuchin on the hill is saying he is not not worried. i'm paraphrasing here. the markets do what they do. blake burman from the white house. blake. reporter: neil, we've seen president trump over the course of many months tout the market on the way up. now that there has been a snapback or pullback at least couple days, broader message for the white house, is don't look at day-to-day fluctuations. look at bigger picture here at the whole. that is the argument they're trying to make right now. vice president mike pence in south korea ahead of the winter olympics, when he spoke to reporters yesterday a little while after the market closed,

he made the case that the fundamentals of our economy are strong. he said yesterday, simply the ebbs and flows of the market. on the bigger picture, white house spokespeople that you talk to say, hey, look, there is tax cuts in place. there is wage growth we've seen. there is a strong labor market. let's look at the bigger picture here. that is the argument they're trying to make. for example, the spokesperson, deputy press secretary hogan gidley was saying that the president has not focused on the market as a priority of his but he questions where others had their priorities when the market was running up. listen. >> obviously the president did tout the stock market but would i hardly say that he focused on it. they went wall-to-wall with coverage of the stock market declining. i understand that is big news. where were they when it was going up? they didn't say a word about that they are trying to discredit this president's economic prowess and what he is

able to do. reporter: kneel you're right we'll here from sarah sanders in next couple hours. the topic will be how much the white house wants to own this stock market. the big story, democrat memo, response to the republican memo of the house intelligence committee. that is here at the white house. that is exact same process the republican memo went through last week. five days the president has to make a decision. the big focus on this will be sources and methods, whether or not they are in or not in this democrat response. neil? neil: i look forward to that. blake, you know what i look forward to? your questions, i think they're among the best. not because you work here you get right to the nitty-gritty and they don't throw you out of the press room which is a good thing. reporter: they haven't thrown me out yet. you have a suggestion today, neil? anything you want to ask. neil: like it now, mr. president? see how that goes. really does a great job.

no-nonsense. right down the middle. not red or blue, just green, making sense. get read on all of this with hadley heath manning, "washington examiner" commentary writer emily. jashinsky. whatever they think about the other news organizations not paying to attention to markets on the way up, they are certainly now on the way down. how do they handle it. should they handle it, what do they do? >> i us speck they will be quiet about the market if the trend continues. the strategy today was at least see the forest for the trees. let's take a big picture look on daily occasions touting daily increases. we'll see if the trend continues of less talk from the

white house. neil: ronald reagan comes to mind, bill clinton comes to mind, hadley, not talked in terms of the markets but more specifically about the jobs, underlying economy, economic growth, consumer spending, all of that, didn't align themselves to the market, they pointed out ronald reagan after eight years, after the the '87 crash, are markets higher than what i took office? yeah, they doubled. that is where he left it. what if markets rebound from this and donald trump is tempted to start quoting them again, what then. >> this experience this past week is a good reminder the stock market is not the economy. ultimately ronald reagan would have asked you are you better off than you were four short years ago. that is question he put before the american people. for some americans, yes, when the stock market does well they can do well. they answer the question postively. i am better off. we should rood for the stock market to do well.

the stock market is not the economy but not the enemy of the economy. it is not the enemy of working people. we want to celebrate when wages are going up and our labor market is strong. that look good today. but we should root for the stock market to continue to prosper because that affects millions of americans, not just those who invest but any type of retirement ask the or depend on charitable endowments to do well. i think president continues to tout a strong stock market if that continues to be the case but ultimately that is not the most important element of our economy. we want to make sure our fundamentals are strong as well. neil: the economic fundamentals, i don't care if you like the president, dislike the president anymore that if you like bill clinton or dislike bill clinton, in case of serious downdrafts in both of their markets at different periods economic fundamentals were sound, emily. there is a debate back and forth whether the tax cuts will make them more sound. a number of financial firms are upping their predictions of

growth in the economy later this year, precisely because of those cuts. charlie gasparino was here raising a possibility that they have been too generous in those, in those estimates. that is one of the things roiling the markets. i disagree with him on but what do you make of that? >> i think this all gets to the issue why it is problematic. maybe not problematic, why it's a risk for presidents, even implicit to take credit for market swings. that is where it gets really tough on political level for a president to step in, make that implication, or make that even explicit. this is going to happen, historically we see how this happens. we see how this plays out. so the trump white house will have to grapple with that in the comes days. neil: we have dysfunction continuing in washington, hadley, inability to come to accord apparently on daca. we might get an extension to keep the government operating with another cr. progress on immigration might be a year or more away. what do you think of that? >> partisanship reins very strong in today's washington.

that is the case with policy issues like immigration. the case with unfortunately, our process as we the public learn more about the nunez memo and potentially another memo as we continue to look into the russia investigation. ultimately our hope is the american people should be that our leaders can put good, sound policy ahead of politics here. and really work to protect, not just the integrity of our borders but also integrity of our law enforcement agencies. something congress is charged to do regardless of the d or r after your name. neil: you know what, i really like that? ladies thank you very much the dow is up 158 points here. i know i sort of trash my own, maybe network's approach to this. i don't focus too much on the volatile movements here except that we are in fast market conditions and in such conditions powered really by algorithms, i was meeting with a guy who is expert on this, and you won't believe the formulas that are used that can whipsaw

markets hundreds of points, sometimes within seconds. so that is why you don't really attach too much value to an average at the moment because you are literally one push of a button, a computerized trade, as it is known, could trade everything. it is built on a variety of different factors, mood, sentiment, the gap or the trading range between two wildly different products like a commodity and a stock index. that is what has taken over these markets, my friend. and that, is why i'm so obsessed about these other creatures that we created, long after the cboe volatility index, so-called vix, there is like son of vix, beneath the planet of vix, escape from the planet of vix, and now, i'm telling you it is like weird. i'm telling you, it is super, super weird and now the vix has kind of hit the fan and i will explain all this and even bore you more right after this.

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neil: welcome back, everybody. bum 159 points right now. we've been up all over the map. it is ridiculous. i'm telling you here is where i'm going to sound like the old guy, telling you in my day we didn't have these creative market by-products. you often heard about the cboe fear index, volatility index, so-called vix, how it was exploding. you know they came up with a product to counterthat. in other words if the market is tanking on fear, they have something called velocity shares daily inverse short term exchange traded etf. i only mention this because it actually compound ad a lot of the volatility. it fell 14% yesterday. steve file on my guest on "your world" on fox news, it is trading mechanism, sentiment indicator you can use as reverse

to the volatility vix thing which is ridiculous to put a number on fear. that was falling 84%. so it was setting the stage, this morning for added volatility having nothing to do with the fundamentals t was a built-in mechanism by which you could counter the fall in the fear index if you wanted to essentially short the fear. i know i'm giving awe mouthful here. but i'm telling you, we are veering away from simply buying and selling stocks and expressing sentiment, looking at things like value. i know my next guest would agree with that. he built a fortune getting away from some of these exotic products. he is a multimillionaire investor, foster friess. foster, i'm telling you, a lot of these things come to light. i don't know if it will be this particular market hits of portfolio insurance of 1987 or mortgage-backed derivatives or any of that stuff but it is another creative product to

apparently shield you from market forces and i don't think there is such a thing. what do you think? >> you hit the nail right on the head, neil, it is individual company's fundamentals eventually will carry the day. talking with my guys, they say 60% of the companies are showing increased estimates, that it is quite bullish. when the market runs up as much as it has, a breather is often expected. neil: absolutely. >> your point about these vix and all these different issues, exasperated because they're dealing with traders who are more emotional and they watch those non-fundamental issues which are kind of trading vehicles and i remember we always say never invest in the stock market we would tell with our clients, invest in individual companies. a couple fears we should be concerned about though. first time in history the federal reserve physically attacked wells fargo. this is going to be -- neil: that was a very big deal. you're right.

that will be 400 million-dollar hit on that institution according to the wells fargo folks. that is not just punishment that could wipe out an industry, at least with the market value. >> what it does, it raises concern, the trump administration really serious about cutting back on regulations? that looks like regulation on steroid. neil: who did this? it was federal reserve, right? >> when that happens, neil, a lot of these investors are now passive investors through electronic-traded fund. so if 36% of american investors are in these now, when that etf goes down with the banks that causes people to create selling and a lot of them are on margin perhaps. so we have to have that as new ingredient. a little bit what you're talking about it's a synthetic issue that has nothing to do with fundamentals of the stock. neil: you're right about that, faster. looking collectively of the

market especially beaten down going into today, some interpreted reigniting value if there is such a thing. the market is cheaper now. mark cuban is buying s&p 500 etf there, because it represents fairer value certainly than it did prior. do you agree with that? or do you believe this market might be a little rich, finding value in might take a little value, what do you think? >> why it might be rich may be a concern about rising interest rates. the truckers my guys are talking to, are raising rates to shipping good, increases retailers cost of goods and puts prices up and prices up, interest rates could peek up, that would be one concern. another concern if the democrats make some progress coming into the midterm elections which could reverse the tax reform bill, much like the republicans trying to reverse obamacare. by and large, the fundamentals are all strong and people, i don't think realize, not only did the tax rate for corpses go

from 35 to 21, but, they get to expense things the first year they buy them. neil: so it would seem to grease the skid for more productivity. i'm told that bull markets don't die of old age but actually a couple of them have. they sort of peter out. this one will be nine years next month of the is it getting old? >> it is more of a function of the companies growing. companies that are doing well will be a lot larger five years from now. so the trick is isolating those. i believe too, what americans kind of sense might be coming which is what they want is more return to civility. we see a lot of signs where civility is beginning to come back a little bit. there is a opportunity in the health industry, which is 20% of our economy, where as i go walk around the colonies it is hard to find anybody opposed to publishing of health care costs. hillary supporters, bernie supporters, trump supporters. if we can introduce, which is

introduced, there is a bill in the senate committee by democrat early, ed perlmutter and mike gallagher, two congressman, cause all providers of health care to publish prices. you can't find anybody opposed to that. neil: could you be right. you're deeply religious and decent human being. you believe civility is returning. i don't see it but maybe you'll be right. foster friess, very good seeing you my friend. >> thanks for having me. neil: whatever you think of politics, i'm telling you the business of books, one of the greatest value investors to have ever lived that young man. neil: we'll have more. the dow up 244. more after this. stay confident for over 80 years. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence.

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neil: do you see this growth continuing? >> oh, my god, neil, 10 years i come on with you, i never said anything positive long a stock

or market. i find a way to see where the overvalued situations were. at 20,000, i saw 25. at 25 i see the repatriation i saw the money coming back. i did call the donald yesterday and say 30. neil: john tabacco, one of fine wall street minds. he has been ahead of curve. but is he too ahead of the curve. let's ask him, john, what do you think? >> neil, still sticking with the 30 call. neil: when will the 30 happen? is it pushed back. >> i don't have the crystal ball with me today. neil: you had it a few weeks ago, smart at this pants. >> i don't have it today. neil: all right, all right. >> by end of second quarter a lot of macro policies still in place will continue to drive the market what. neil: like what? givegive me a few examples. >> talking about 2 1/2% growth when obama couldn't get over 1.5

in the future. i'm hearing correction, wages are too high. like bizarro world from "seinfeld," people making more money, lower taxes putting money in their pocket is a bad thing for the economy. companies are repatriating. home depot giving thousand dollar bonuses. jetblue giving thousand do lar bonuses. you see the green shoots. neil: nothing like you and i can remember a few years ago but higher enough norfolks to start tell them. >> people get startled. after "brexit" we talked about at big swing down. i always feel the same. retail investors should invest for the long term. they should stay calm. neil: what is long-term to me? long term my age is lunch tomorrow. what is long term to you? >> if i make lunch tomorrow, neil, i will be happy.

neil: there you go. >> people should invest in the future, early 60s for the rest of their life. they shouldn't look at these stocks -- neil: what is standard long-term view? >> people's life-styles change every five to seven years. they should look at rebalancing their portfolio. i look at situations like this. these are great opportunities. markets are supposed to green out. when they go lower, find values. invest in the long term. neil: john tabacco, thank you very much. one fellow agrees with john tabacco, steve newspaper mnuchin, the treasury secretary. saying everything is fine. the markets do what the markets do. now if only he could get to his boss. after this. and explorers whose stories take us places our hamstrings can't. all we have to do is listen. download audible to start listening. mom anit's not theirs.car...

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neil: the fundamentals are sound. that is the read we've been hearing from a lot of brokerage community, investment banking community is, they don't call them brokers anymore, do they? from the trump white house we'll get more of that, when sanders takes to the microphone finally field questions about markets somehow eluded her when they were soaring. will be a little different today. we have republican congressional candidate. we have called out to his opponent, scott peters. always fair and balanced. yet to hear back.

hope springs eternal. they usually come on in the end. so we'll see. michael, very good to have you. >> my pleasure. neil: you were telling me during the break, whether you're left or right on this, the macro issue, the fundamentals look good. explain. >> they do look good. the economy continues to grow. i'm looking next two quarters it be quite positive. we could look at 3% next coming quarters. unemployment is low, some of the lowest since we have been measured. neil: market factored that in, priced to perfection. >> markets move on changing expectations. that is what we're seeing last couple days. neil: also markets move on in transsy against? washington. no progress on immigration deal. maybe punted for a year or more. another continuing resolution. the fourth of this cycle just to keep the government lights on. it is kind of crazy. >> it is crazy. wrong way to govern to hold the

government hostage on any particular issue. certainly in san diego where i'm from, the people do not want the government closed down over daca, any other issue. they want to keep working. let's address the issue separately. neil: how bad do you think a market downdraft gets. it gets all the talk. it settles down. we might be at a new level, more affordable level. what do you think? >> look at big picture. we're still up trillions of dollars since the inauguration. business people don't get too fixated on day-to-day markets. neil: would you advise the president in the future, tempting to talk about trillions added in market wealth, what you talk on the way up, you can't ignore on the way down? >> that is true. double-edged sword. how democrats were saying markets is up, average guy doesn't win, goes to the rich people. when it is down seems like everybody is losing. neil: you're right. average people are getting creamed in this.

when you as very successful businessman looking at this, some people are getting too clever in this stock market? there are all various exotic products, trigger algorithms. >> right. neil: we have more mutual funds and etfs than we do stocks. that is weird, right? >> it's a bit weird. but people look for exposure in different ways. how do i get exposure in asia? how about japanese stocks. they have a fund for that. neil: formulas and measures. >> we see some day-to-day volatility, right? push a button or trade on its own. the algorithms will execute their own trades. when it gets wild swings in either direction, i came in first thing in the morning bought on the open today. i think it was down market. neil: what were you buying? >> s&p 500, you and mark cuban. he was doing same thing. >> i'm in good company. neil: interest rates still very low. >> still low. neil: are you worried as some empty markets seem to be worried

we look at backup in rates? >> i don't think it is severe. economy sin creasing, rate pressure, i don't see it moving couple decades ago in the wild swings in the market. i don't see that happening for us. fundamentals are strong. let markets work. don't need to worry about intervening from washington. neil: stay calm, stay calm. michael allman. we had almost 1000-point range yesterday. very crazy. is that good for bad? forget about your stomach, for your financial health? after this. hi, i'm the internet! you know what's difficult? armless bowling.

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all right, the volatility continues. that is how fast they were running on the floor of the new york stock exchange today. we have not doctored this tape at all. bottom line we were up as high as 367 points and down as much as 567 points and that was literally within seconds of the opening bell. nicole is at the new york stock exchange with more. >> you saw a speedy open right outside the gate. as you noted, we had a lot of volatility, wild violent swings after two days of trading we were down over 1800

points, 7% and today everybody was really worried about the open and most of the traders that we would open to the downside which we did and as you noted, up 367. it's been back and forth. holding onto some gains of 94 points for the dow. what's interesting is i asked around to say are we going to retest the lows and this morning it was maybe that we were retesting lows. now there is a sense of calm in the back half of the day. i also wanted to take a look at the volatility index. 3675. yesterday 115% to the upside and a lot of that, what happened as it moved higher, the people who went the other way really got squeezed. there was a lot of talk that maybe they had a jump out of certain positions in order to cover margins. right now you see 3683. quickly, peek at the automakers, general motors have been cutting costs on pickups, suv and showing lots

of resiliency here in north america. gm of 3.6% today, ford motor also gaining. >> thank you very much. to nicole's point about this trading and the short-term fund that allows you to do that, as if you can trade the fear. like you to think about that. it's a numerical way to represent fear. it's asinine from it's very definition. i'm just saying, we have become too clever for words. then there's a product that to counter that product which is equally asinine and then there's a product that is a middle road for that which is crazy asinine. i'm telling you, this will be the death of us. did i tell you when i was a kid i walked 6 miles to school uphill both ways. i'm sounding like that. better stop. let's go to adam shapiro. he's been monitoring things on capitol hill.

>> essentially wednesday mnunchin was asked about a specific issue that the fundamentals of the economy remains strong, there is no threat to the financial system and study the course. it is still up over 30% since donald trump was elected president back in november 2016. but when you watch secretary who is taking questions on all kinds of issues remember this hearing was supposed to be an update on the annual financial stability oversight council report, all kinds of questions like crypto currency and dodd frank ray literary reform. there are also questions of stock volatility and look at a montage of what he said to those questions. >> i'm not overly concerned about the market volatility. i think the fundamentals are quite strong. >> does this have financial stability implications? >> no, i don't think these types of moves, given how much the market has rallied, have

financial stability concern. >> what is the disconnect between the market coming down in fundamentals being strong. >> i think you've seen a normal market correction, although large, and i think again there is just a disconnect in the short term. markets move in both directions. >> neil, if there are investors that will be on the headline for the next big thing that might be coming out of washington, the secretary has been talking about gst reform and that something that jay powell talked about, the chairman of the federal reserve. start looking at what's going to happen with the government supporting fannie mae and freddie. >> and the housing market. he's also been talking about regulatory reform with dodd frank that for smaller community banks to close branches and expect movement on those issues as well. that's all kind of wonky it's all about the market and he's not worried. >> thank you. so the fundamentals are good.

they're still sort of going through the economic systems are to hear the administration tell it, i'll find. is it? let's ask the reshuffle. we have dan shafer and michelle. are you worried by any of the sword you subscribe to the same view that things are okay. the actual overarching economy is sound. >> the economy is sound, let's ignore the noise from a couple of days, tax reform really hasn't started work in. more important co optimism is really, really strong about the year ahead and they are paying a dividend to their employees as well as shareholders so i think you have to look behind the couple days news and look at a years worth of news and it's a much different story. >> i agree with mitch. first of all, happy birthday ronald reagan. i think it's fitting we were talking about strong economies, i agree.

>> stocks go up, stocks go down, i'm always much more interested in the fundamental analytics so i'm not going to be scared by, the secretary said the market is up 30% since trump was elected. look at bond yields. >> he was constantly quoting that. >> he was definitely trumpeting and taking credit, which honestly i think he should because like, if the index, i agree with you, here is a little bit strange and we have artwork we can depict fear, picasso can do that. it's not have the bond traders do that. >> you been very concerned about this run-up, now given the selloff we've had, are you less concerned because, there was a good piece in the journal about how more

affordable the s&p 500, as in aggregate, has become. >> it's still way too expensive. the concept is that the price-to-earnings ratio are way out of line. >> 's youth still think it's a rich market. how far would it have to fall. >> back to where it started on the election night. that's where levels should be. >> it was 18332. >> that would be my first targe target. that's about 6000-point. >> tax reform and regulatory reform have little impact on expectation. >> no. >> i will tell you why. there is an underlying tone in the velocity of money which we have talked about many times, and for your viewers, that just means money changing hands. the problem is that has been dropping to the lowest level since they started recording it in 1960. so, if we look at that level and we look at the economic growth that we haven't been getting and interest rates basically went to zero in the

ten year treasury which became the new barometer instead of the 30 year is still below 3% and were hoping to get above 3% growth in gdp. if you put it all together it just doesn't make sense. what does make sense, from a traders point of view that the market will go to certain levels based on emotional factors. look at what happened with the coin. big coin is the precursor of what we are now experiencing in the equity market. >> now you're talking to different things. >> it's still an emotional side of trading. >> do you buy that? >> nope look at quarter after quarter of beating expectations in companies on the s&p 500 and layer tax reform and regulatory rollback , i'm with you carrie, that's what's fueling ceos to be optimistic. >> so the market might've factored all that in. >> they may very well have

enough i will selloff, but nothing goes up in a straight line which is what you learned in college, stocks don't go up in a straight line and were seeing that,. >> are we back to a more normal trading range or one that you would buy an s&p 500. >> i think, as an investor you don't get it all at once and you get in overtime and maybe yesterday was a time, maybe tomorrow's a time. >> but the argument has been, for young people, the world is your oyster and the trend is your friend and the chart we were showing is a long-term you will be okay. >> were pretty much all screwed. what you think about. >> in terms of debt to gdp, y'all are gonna make us go bankrupt until we can figure out how to be more fiscally sustainable. pensions in many states like illinois. >> so you're blaming whatever financial hardship you're

having on our. >> will you created it. >> and you're pushing it to our kids generation. >> so to this point on growth, thing is they had to revise our expectations higher so things actually turned out better. >> it was a smudge. when i talk about the global growth at the inf raised. >> you can look at all of these numbers that look exciting and all these predictions that look great. the problem is the world is full of the most debt it's ever had. there's no way to solve it. >> you say it needs to go down to 6000 points lower so it is what it was at the election. >> were not going to go down

to 18000. if we were, would you be trouble that may be a great trust in this president was for not. >> talk to me a year from now. again, it's what mitch was saying and then i'll give you a more definitive answer. how about this but i have brown hair but i will be in the middle. we shall see. >> the dow is now up 19 points. again, i only mention it because they say just quote the dow. i'm telling you, it changes. the number that counts as 4:00 p.m., a little after when it's all finalized. mark cuban thanks the white house is going to pay dearly for bragging about something over which it has zero control.

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>> now the argument is, if you talk about it on the way up you only on the way down. you agree. >> no. when people are excited about our situation about their companies, the tax benefits certainly accelerated things and got companies excited. that's all good, but markets

don't look just at the current quarter. they look further into the future. >> all right. so mark cuban, essentially dismissing whether the president had much in effect on the market, the upside or the downside. they're talking to folks on the street and how they feel about all this. what's the mood. >> it's shocking, we were both surprised how upbeat people were. there really optimistic and may see the selloff as just part of the way things go in the stock market. we met all kinds of people, europeans, people in the industry who are buyers, people who don't work in the industry and have 4o1k, here's what some of them told us. >> we needed a correction. it was coming. we all knew it was coming. it's just starting to happen now. i think the market will rebound. i think the policy is in place by this administration will help it, the tax cuts, the economy, it will come back. >> it was time to come down. >> today maybe 500 or 600. >> what you going to do. are you looking for bargains. >> i'm looking to come down.

>> so that fellow told us he's looking to buy specific stocks when they hit his target price. the thing on his radar is bowing. we've had so much volatility today that it's just incredible. i have to share, we talked to one older fellow who was clearly italian and he said to us, let me see if i can give it justice, he said what, do i look worried? i'm not worried. are you worried. that's what he said. >> someone named willis voting and italian, that's interesting. you got a step back but i think there's great wisdom. our original name a we came to this country -- >> i stand corrected. it doesn't make up for the fact that that i italian accent was awful.

let's go to larry. he's at the uva. professor, when in the middle of the downdraft, we are caught up in the moment. the moments last? timing is everything, but do they end up having an impact on elections. >> you mentioned timing. certainly, if one came right before election day it would have some kind of impact. there is actually a general, a generally positive correlation between how the stock market does and whether an incumbent president is popular or not. there can be exceptions. trump may be an exception. i think the people who were just interviewed in the street, including that italian who i am sure spoke more like us than the accent that i heard, we are italian-americans, as you well

know, but they had it exactly right. anybody with a few years on them has been through a number of these and they know the worst thing you can do is run out and sell when you have this candid downturn. you need corrections are part corrections from time to time. it's good for the market, it's good for investment. people are going to panic over this. i do think the president would be better off not constantly referring to the stock market. what goes up will come down. >> absolutely. i totally agree with you. >> other presidents have been tempted to seize on a performing market but they've pulled back on things like job growth and wage growth them at the market help themselves. doesn't make it more difficult down the road when the president will be tempted, assuming the markets recoup and i believe they will, he will be very tempted again to

start talking them up. >> well, if he's tempted, he will do it. i think we've all learned there's not a great deal of self-restraint here, at least on twitter. he would be far better off doing exactly what you just said, talking about wage growth, low unemployment, gdp growth. these are fundamentals, and over time they matter more and they drive the stock market over the long term. >> the markets are going to come up now. the administration always complains that news coordination organizations ignore them on the way out. they won't ignore them now. i wonder how they handle

that. >> well, they should handle it by simply saying the markets go up in the markets go down and look at the fundamentals. that's what he should have been saying all along. yes there will be news organizations that say you sent out 47 tweets about the rising stock market. yesterday you didn't mention the crash. that's part and parcel of governing in america. you have to accept those sorts of things. all he can do is change what he does, if that's possible. i doubt it. >> we shall see. we've heard of market bulls and bears but some follow a different trendline. not the charts, i'll explain, after this.

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>> all right, some news that could affect the crazy markets, a short-term spending bill in the house as possible with the vote coming later today. the senate is on the verge of doing something even bigger. it could be looking at a massive budget deal that would increase spending levels for both the domestic and defense priorities for the next two years. it is pulling a number of parties involved on both sides of the aisle. let's get the read from doug collins from georgia. congressman do you know anything about the senate thing. >> i think it's an extension of some conversations we've been having for many months. we have to get to a bill in which we begin doing complete your funding and give defense a security over the next two years. there is work on that. is it there yet, maybe not yet but we are working toward it

because frankly that's what needs to be in play. we encourage our democratic colleagues to come to the table but they been sidetracked on illegal immigration and everything else. they just want to delay but we need that budget to make sure military is funded. >> you should hear what they say about you because i think it when comes to budget cap you get everything you want and nothing may want. you say what. >> well, there's understanding when you look at this that to get the fence they will have to be some movement in nondefense discretionary. for some of us it's more than with like to see but we have to balance the needs of the country and support the president in saying that he has laid forth his desires for the military. i think you will come to an understanding that we need to move forward. that doesn't mean we give up our principles but i think we have to understand we have to work together and until the senate does away with the 60

vote role with something with the deal at. >> we will likely be borrowing a trillion dollars more this year. i'm not blaming you exclusively for that or republicans or democrats, but here we go again. what's going on. >> the reason i say this because we've got to look at a longtime financial future that anybody,. [inaudible] neither party ever does it. >> we don't. i think that's holding our requirement that we have to face up to the future. when you look at long-term debt and the interest rate and what the debt payment would be, when you look at mandatory spending, we have to get serious around here to realize that 60 to 70% of this budget has never dealt with the appropriations. we just simply fund it. that is not a sustainable way to look in the future.

as go back to something very positive. tax reform. that will generate economic growth and provide income, but we also have to do our part on the side of spending and that's what were looking at a continuing resolution that may or may not come back with the bigger package. my question is why wouldn't you vote for this. we are funding community health centers with over 49000 people, we are funding those for two years. we are also defending our military, giving pay raises. how much worse is it to go out have issues like illegal immigration and folks who need community health center funding. >> the senate thing which seems bigger and longer term, that's something they are separately doing and then you reconcile all of the. >> we do. i think it will come back to us at some point. >> thank you very much. >> it's good to be with you.

>> as you know, we always like to have both points of view so whenever a bowl without a bear, even with the run-up in the market, last time we had this next guest on, he was worried about stocks that were looking heavy, but he said headed for a fall. remember that. >> what do you see? what your charts tell you. >> i would say at least as bad a bear market as oh 7 - 09, at the very least and that was more than 50%.

>> mark, are you nervous after today. >> no, i'm not really nervous. the market could go down a lot more but over the long haul, i think we will be okay. >> all right, count down to the closing bell. the new new york stock exchange, as we speak. do they believe everything will be okay. >> i just grabbed tom green who is a longtime trader. he has been on every trading floor. he's now here at the stock exchange but i said final hour, which can happen.

he said liz, nobody knows. i love him. i think he's extraordinary smart. every time he comes on the show i hear people write anything down and listen to what he says, but he's a billionaire. he can afford to take these hits. right now you have the retail investor watching, and almost feeling helpless because all you have to do is look at the volatility, starting yesterday and when you begin to back it up and see that it was just a couple weeks ago that the so-called fear index was at single digits, look what happened yesterday where it began to spike. it closed extraordinarily high. then in the aftermarket session you have one of these traded notes, it began to go incredibly squarely and now as we know, it has collapsed and will have to send out on february 20. so it begins to make people

wonder, what about volatility because if you saw today, it spiked in a crazy way and now you can see it has moderated quite a bit, but what does that tell the person watching, whether they are a sophisticated investor or not. so rather dangerous market. people do jumped in yesterday and thought yea, i got things on sale, yeah you did but if you waited till 311 eastern time when we were down 1597 points you could've really gotten stuff on sale. it's just a very tough game. you watch this way longer than most people. i guess the sense that you really understand that many people have to calm down, remain copacetic and realize this too shall pass, that is true, but when you see right now, when i started this a couple seconds ago, we were in the red for the dow. now were up. we're up a point.

jumping around just shows extreme indecisiveness and things start to happen in the final hours. that's when the hedge funds come in around 330, 345 to balance and close out their fund for the day. that's when the selling or the buying picks up. anybody who claims they know doesn't. >> thank you very much. she will be there the entire hour before her show so stay tuned for that. in the meantime, stay tuned for the man who predicted this day would be coming, sooner than a lot of folks. peter has an incredible voice. the deeper ominous voice tends to add to the fear factor. peter, good to see you. you are not convinced we are through, are you. >> how you doing. i'm doing great. i'm, we spoke it was a couple months ago and i told you at

that time the signal has been variable in terms of how quickly it takes hold. back in 1929, i think we mentioned it on the show, it was a rally of ten additional% to the upside on the dow. guess how far, i checked yesterday, since my appearance with you a couple months ago the s&p is up almost exactly 10% and now that was given away in a couple days. are we done to the downside? no. we are going to get bounces, some of them big and a lot of them will make people think goodness that's over with, but if this is truly going to be a bear market, there is a long way to go. >> how much longer. >> well, when we spoke last time, i told you i thought we were facing a bear market at least as bad as the oh 7 - 09

so that was over 50%. i still think that's going to happen. it's not going to happen in the next -- >> but that at least had a catalyst. concern about financial stability and whether our home mortgage industry was a fraud which it turned out to be, there are a lot of people scratching head who argue fundamentals are strong and corporate earnings are robust. but you look at other things. explain. >> am i glad you brought that up. i have a little bone to pick with the guys that were on after me. i know it was steven and charles and you referred to my interview and you ask them, is there anything to what he says about this bear market and nursing no, will never have a bear market top unless there are fundamentals that point to it. while they're absolutely wrong.

there's note top in history that the fundamentals appointed to pay go back to january of 73. a huge drop in the market and the headline was not a bear among them. that referred to all the experts. if you are fundamentalist, you're not going to come close to picking market. >> but don't fundamentalist change? i remember it didn't quite factor in what would be an oil crisis, things like that develop over time. are you looking at something that we are missing that will develop weeks or months from now? >> absolutely because the market leads the fundamentals, although i can tell you what it's going to be. that's a big trick. if you count on fundamentals to lead you through the volatility of the market deal you're not going to be very successful. >> you're one of the brightest minds on wall street. some agree or disagree with your forecast. you been pretty uncanny over the years. what you see now that a lot of folks are missing?

>> i'm seeing a couple of things. first of all, i began to see, at the end of last year, toward the end of last year, the tim kind of churning action that takes place as the market seems to be going straight up, the advanced declines are churning. there's no big up day or more no big down days. that tells you there's not the kind of leadership and strength internally in the market that you look for in a continuing bull market. the lack of big down days tells you the sentiment remains very high. everyone is buying the dips and speaking of sentiments, about this deal. some of the numbers we see from investors and intelligence showed the greatest number of bowls in the fewest number of bears in the last 30 - 35 years. the whole background. >> so you would run the other way if that's how people feel.

>> what about all these other derivative products. i was startled to see this development pick up steam for there are more ets in mutual funds and all these products that vastly outnumbered the stocks. >> that's a fabulous point because what were looking at now, someone, i don't know how accurate this is, but i heard a year or two ago that the derivative market and the future options is a quad really in dollar market. a multi- quadrillion dollar market. that number is inconceivable. that's where the risk comes in when something like that starts to happen. we've seen the last couple of days, a kind of hint at what we may end up seeing ultimately and the interesting thing is, if you don't mind, let me ask you a quick question and how many people that you've spoken to are

really concerned about this market? >> you and maybe to others. >> there you go. i think that's about the percentage. >> that's a huge point to make. don't worry folks, this is a bull market, there's no bad news, unemployment is at 815 year low, we spoke about unemployment last time i was on. the unemployment level is down to 4.1%, the last time it was there was the year 2000 what happened after that. the nasdaq went down 75%. >> is there something like that in the works? i know it's different and there's always a different catalyst, that we don't see until after the fact, but i think it's all these elaborate ways you can trade off in a counter trade-off of that that will cause problems. what is it in your eyes? in no your chart guy, what

could undo it. >> what's been a huge excitement over the past four or five or six months in the financial markets, that going. we see what happened to that. that led this whole procedure. we start to see that. >> you think the coin is like the nasdaq bubble. at some metaphor for this mania. >> very roughly, but yes. >> what about the president and of course he talked this market up, a lot of people will say you should take account for going down. i know you're not applicable guy, what you think. >> we talked about the last time, and i said, agreed with you, if you're going to take the credit for the upside, then you're going to take the blame for the downside. you know, i always told my kids as they were growing up, and they asked about politics and presidents, i said presidents get far too much credit when things go right and far too much blame when things go wrong because they

are kind of ponds in the whole overall gain that i would look at in terms of long-term economic cycles. in terms of long-term economic cycles, there is some argument you can make that this is the most overvalued market in history, despite the last couple days. you can still make that argument. >> here's the difference between you and me. you talk to your kids about things that really matter. i taught my kids, your mom and i are spending all the money, were not leaving anything. it always alarms them but they get on the stick straight and narrow right away. >> not a fun view of the world but i always enjoy having you on. >> it's always fun talking with you. >> again, you don't have to agree to meet on to disagree but i think it's important to get all viewpoints. parties on 87 crash, the bear market and 73 and 74 and the

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>> a lot of people are looking at what's going on now, they're saying you know, you should run for the senate, a lot of big names are passing up such an opportunity, but in your state they could use you. what you say. >> neil, i am very interested in public service and service for the common good there's a lot of different way to do that but running for the senate in 2018 is not part of those plans. >> all right. that was then. i felt awful that day. i'm sorry for the voice. no senate run, but you know, i didn't really listen closely enough because he said no senate run. and then lo and behold i get word that he stepping down which leads me too believe he's running for something. could it be governor? let's ask him. very good have you back. thank you for coming. are you running for governor? what is going on here. >> what i just made a decision to leave my job in washington,

but as to the next chapter, i don't have any announcements for you today. >> you taught me a lesson that i have to parse your words very closely. so you weren't running for senate. i know they been pushing you to revisit the governor's mansion in minnesota so are you at least interested? >> i have been topically reported, i am exploring that as an option, but certainly haven't made any decisions in that regard. >> i'm having my staff come through your words very closely because i don't want you to fully to me once, full me twice. i do want to know wiseman and other colleagues in the republican party are not filling the void when some of these big names leave, obviously the latest congressman to do so, now have what, three dozen luminaries, certainly just in the house were opting out say nothing of what's going on in the senate

and some of the heavyweights to replace them in washington just aren't there. what's going on. >> i think there's probably a sense that each case may be different in terms of how long they been in congress and what their other life circumstances or opportunities may be, but let's be candid, this will be a difficult year for republicans. 2018 can get better but it will be a bit of an uphill climb in congress or other places where hours are unbalanced so that's just a reality. thing people can simulate had enough. >> he thanks the market will be awful and keep tanking. that would not be good for the party in control, but are you worried? especially coming from the financial services market that this is the start of something bigger and i might not even be justified but market corrections happen, what do you think. >> i listen carefully to the previous guest and his record

of predicting gave me pause but i go back to common sense of the basics but if you have a market that's been driven in part to free money which interest rates have been effectively near zero in the begins to no longer be near zero, the cost of access to capital will go up, that will have a fact on asset prices. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to conclude that rising interest rates will have an effect on the stock market and that's what's causing this concern. you add the craziness that has been a bit coin and crypto currency speculation running wild to insane level. >> i'm wondering, the back of an interest rate when they were certainly a lot higher, so this backup, while a concern, in the scheme of things it still rather low, rates are low. the market is concerned it will get a lot higher, that there will be more treasury notes and bonds i have to be printed and sold to support what will be another trillion dollars worth of borrowing to

support a trillion dollar deficit, not good for republicans. >> there's a lot of focus on the monetary policy, but when you look at the fiscal side of the house, the day of reckoning is coming as well. unfortunately the congress and the american public are willing to tackle that yet, but you have, as you mentioned, the beginning of what looks to be another trillion dollar deficit which will contribute to a 20 trillion-dollar debt and its much higher if you count everything. that's on $3 trillion of revenue. it just doesn't work. the math doesn't work and people will figure that out and it will have market consequences. >> do you think the lesson in all of this is be careful bragging about the market when they are going your way it's great, but you also on them on the way down. >> politicians like to take credit for things happening that are really macroeconomic circumstances including governors and former governors.

[inaudible] the reality is it comes down for lots of reasons beyond your control. >> to just to be clear, you are running for governor of minnesota, you will announce shortly and you'll announce it on the show. [inaudible] well,, go ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ "

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neil: the president is meeting with a law enforcement roundtable on ms-13, other issues. you never know what issues can come up. let's listen in. >> we are joined by congressman peter king. thank you. congressman lee zeldin. you have been working hard on that. mortgage that mcsally, you're working hard out there, that is the word on that. barbara comstock. barbara, good to have you. congressman michael mccaul, an expert on this subject. it's a tough subject. ms-13 recruits through the broken immigration system. violating our borders. whatever they want to come through think come through. much tougher now that we've been there. we need much better border

mechanisms and much better border security. we need the wall. we'll get the wall. if we don't have the wall, we will negative solve this problem. i have gone to the top people. many are a the table right now including this group. without the wall it is not going to work. during my state of the union i called on congress to close immigration loopholes that allowed this deadly bang to break so easily into our country my administration identified three priorities. we went through and, looked very closely. we have identified three priorities for creating a safe, modern and lawful immigration system, ending chain migration and canceling the terrible visa lottery. we've been discussing it we're talking about it in congress. we're talking about daca and how we can work that out. i don't think the democrats want to make a deal but we'll find out. as congress considers

immigration reform it is essential we listen to the law enforcement professionals in this room today. i will turn it over to secretary nielsen. we'll begin a discussion. you folks might want to stay for a while. >> mr. president, thank you for hosting this roundtable on ms-13. this gang is first dangerous enough to be classified as transnational criminal organization. we talked at length of the devastating destruction and violence it causes in our communities. we're hear to hear from a variety of folk who every day combat this this is my privilege to be here. men and women of dhs, doj who make it their job every day to fight violence coming across our borders. also to be joined by members of congress that have shown great leadership. we thank you for that. always for your support of the doj. thank you for you all. in your recently-announced framework as you know you asked congress to close loopholes we talked about. when we