nonetheless we weather the storm. the dow industrials are nearly 12 noon now. we're up 76 points. it has been one extraordinary day. time to turn it over to neil cavuto who is willing to take it away, neil. neil: thank you very, very much, stuart. here is what we know. when it comes to one nicolas cruz there is still so much authorities do not know. take a look. >> law law enforcement will do everything we can, the fbi, our sells, to make sure this person is convicted of all charges. sadly there have been copycat threats made today at other schools. we will respond to every threat. this isn't the time to worry about how many dollars might be saved if we don't have a deputy here or a police officer here. this is nationwide. we need more. what i'm asking our lawmakers to do, go back to places like tallahassee, places like

washington, d.c., give police the power, if they see something on social media, if they see graphic pictures of rifles and blood, and gore and guns and bombs, if they see something horrific language, if they see person talking about i want to grow up to be a serial killer, we need to have the power to take that person, to bring them before mental health professionals, at that particular time involuntarily, have them examined. people will be rightfully so concerned about their rights, as am i, but what about the rights of these students? neil: there is the president of the united states. he had his own message for victims. blake burman at the white house with more on that. hey, blake. reporter: i covered scott israel in miami, interviewed him when he was running for sheriff. what you get is out of the broward county sheriff, and nation is seeing that today. shortly after he spoke the

president spoke at the white house. president trump had a message for america's children, saying you should not feel alone. you are not alone. you should feel protected. there are people who you can talk to. there are people who you should go to talk to. the president also addressed very briefly what he feels needs to happen to change the tide of what seems to be one mass shooting after another. the president never mentioned the word gun. instead he talked about the need to address mental health. >> we are committed to working with state and local leaders to help secure our schools and tackle the difficulty issue of mental health. reporter: top democrat in the house nancy pelosi took a much different stance earlier this morning, she would rather get something accomplished legislatively as it relates to gun safety than win the upcoming

election. attorney general jeff sessions focusing on the need to enforce the current laws on the books. >> it is not good if we have got gun laws that say criminals can't carry guns and they never get enforced. so we intend to force our laws. if anything, the recent events have caused us to know we need to do even more. reporter: in this case as you know, neil, the killer, the shooter, acquired this ar-15 legally. as for president trump and his schedule going forward, he was expected to be in orlando tomorrow for a infrastructure event. that has since been canceled. as you heard from the president himself earlier this morning he is planning to go to parkland at some point here in the future. neil. neil: i caught governor rick scott saying something at that same presser those that are mentally ill should not have access to a gun. it was the furthest i've seen

him go in that regard. what about the president? reporter: furthest i have seen rick scott go as well. keep in mind it is republican legislature in florida. rick scott is widely considering, widely rumored to run for the senate in 2018. he is term-limited here. as for the president, keep in mind, neil, they have not answered questions yet on las vegas, on the shooting that happened 130 days ago. they say now is not the time to address something like this. they haven't come out with a defined stance as far as i can remember. but as you heard from the president there, they clearly feel there is a mental health issue that needs to be addressed in this country. neil: thank you very much. blake burman on the latest on that. the president outlined he wants to go to florida. they haven't fixed a time on that. to everything that you read about after the fact nicolas cruz was a powderkeg. how to address powderkegs before

they blow? we have paul violis who joins us. security brief host. paul, you and i chat after something horrific like this. we piece together signs of trouble. we piece together, you know, signs of discord, all of that. and here, maybe on social media as well in the case of cruz. what do you do? >> well you know what, neil? the most telling thing about this, i've been working school violence shootings since the mid '80s, the behaviorial profile is exactly same as what it was then. nothing has changed. the only thing that hasn't changed we're not doing anything about it. he spoke about it to people and spoke about it on social media. the level of predictability is frightening. we need to keep our eye on the ball, telling people, not just if you see something, say something, and what is

something. these certain behaviors will in fact lead to this type of incident. neil: when he was on social media the reference you made to a youtube posting, i am going to be a professional school shooter. at first we didn't know the source of the comment. we do know his name t was picked up by someone who caught that, and alerted officials. in fact alerted the fbi. how does that get dropped? what happens? >> i have, you know what, neil? that's a great question, i don't know how that gets dropped. there is gross disparity when people make threats, someone can say you are going to die, everyone is going to die, but to make a statement like that myopically focused on intentionally taking life i simply can't see how the ball got dropped in that area. i simply can not. neil: i could see if it was an alias or using a different name t was his name.

>> he was holding up a flare. neil: they can check on that. his behavior when he got kicked out of this high school. he was angry. a lot of kids there even predicted apparently he might return. >> right. neil: furthermore that he was disgruntled, angry, a little scary. now there are many who fit that kind of definition. i understand it's a needle in a haystack deal but, the sheriff seemed to intimate it was matter of resources. we need more law enforcement. we need more sheriffs on site, deputies on site, there was one at this very large school, but nowhere near the shooter at the time cruz came to the school. what do you make of all that? that it is matter of more weaponry, more people, more agents, that sort of thing? >> well, neil, let's just break that down real quickly. i really don't agree with that. the reason why i don't agree with the sheriff in that

particular regard if you look at the sheer size of the particular campus, or most high school campuses, if you have one school resource officer or one armed security guard, that will not do anything to preemptively mitigate the incident yesterday unless the person walks in the direction of that person. what we really need to focus on are two thins. one, investing in the reality of security at schools, not the illusion of security at schools. and two, we need to embrace the fact that this is avoidable. that we have to teach students and teachers about not just who this particular person is, which you're right, many people share those characteristics that actions and behaviors they put in motion that tells us in law enforcement this is a high probability incident right here. those are the things we need to arm our students and teachers with, so they preemptively mitigate with validity and liability law enforcement so they can do their job.

that i truly believe is the answer to this. neil: well-put, paul. very good seeing you. this area doesn't necessarily fit the classic definition where you will have violence at a high school or violence at a middle school or violence period. in fact this different fit a lot of typical definitions this is us, america. senator marco rubio pointed that out earlier. >> parkland, by the way is one the of the safest communities in america. it is a place people move to get away from this i say you're not going to get likely to get mugged there, or carjacked there or home likely to be broken into there. it is very safe community. it can happen anywhere. it takes one person in the wrong circumstances. neil: this community last year was considered the safest in the united states. to psychologist robi ludwig, that we can learn on that. we shouldn't generalize. >> we shouldn't generalize. i agree with everything that paul said. we needed indicators teaching

not only other teachers, but students, what the signs are because the difference between these young kids murdering other kids and adults and adult murders, kids leak. they share information. they brag about it in some cases. they're telling other kids they like the idea of killing people. they're sharing it on social media. they might even be revealing it in the work that they produce, so teachers need to keep an eye out. neil: if you did for every kid with a questionable comment or drawing or run-in in a teacher or administrator you would have a lot of kids lined up. >> you might. put all the factors together so better safe than sorry. we want to encourage kid to say something if they see something and what to look for. is there a kid saying there is a d-day? they're planning to come back and it is going to be dangerous? are they stockpiling weapons that they have access to?

are they loners? how do they handle aggression. neil: what would you tell parents, doctor? one of the things, this was the case with the columbine killers and social media isn't at all what it is today, where they were piling up weapons. they were getting more and more stuff. people knew about it. now of course, it is all over the internet when something like this goes. if you know about it, what do you tell kids who are privy to this, their parents who want to be privy to this? >> say something. my daughter is very disturbed by this she is in high school, she said, you know, there is this kid at the school who kind of remind me of the shooter in some ways. i said you have to say something. she said, i dent want to say that he is going to do something. i said that is not your job. your job is to observe and say something. so i said something. have a good relationship with your kids. encourage them to talk to you. be willing to share that information. neil: they're afraid of sounding like tattletales.

>> they are. they need to be reeducated, listen, you as student, you as peers may be the first to hear this information, through bragging, through social media, we don't even know about, neil. because we're a different generation. neil: right, right. >> my daughter was seeing things on snapchat so violent from school shootings that they haven't even put it on tv. our kids have access to information. they need to be given permission and told what to do with that information. neil: you know, so many kids today, their lives are online. their emotions are played out online. >> that's right. neil: they're back and forth. their interchanges are online. then there is privacy advocates are going to say, they have reason to be shielded from policing online. where is that line then? >> you know, i think what paul said, instead of the illusion of safety, we have to understand there are terrorists within our own school system. we have to do something about it. so, yes, you're entitled to privacy if you're not endangering anybody else.

if there is question about that, or a kid identifies with killers and school shooters and likes the idea of doing it themselves, then that need to be reported. neil: all right. to that end, the marco rubio on floor of the united states now talking about what if anything republicans in particular would get behind now to make sure something like this doesn't happen again. let's listen in. >> it's a tough issue. it is part of the reason why it is so hard to prevent these is because if someone decides that they are going to take it upon themselves to kill people, whether it's a political fascination of one person, or the mass killing of many, if one person decides to do it and they're committed to that task it is a very difficult thing to stop. that that again, does not mean that we should not try to prevent as many of them as we can. perhaps the answer in how to prevent them begins asking

ourselves, what do these things have in common? they have two things in common of the first every single one of them was premeditated and planned. none of these shootings were act of passion, someone got up in the morning and was upset and decided to do something out of rain. they all involved careful planning and premeditation. they took deliberate steps to get the guns and ammunition they needed. in many cases they carefully studied the outline of the target which they were going after. they specifically planned soft targets. there is evidence of that in this case. and they planned to maximize the loss of life. they acquired the weapon that they needed, and, they used tactics that they needed to kill as many people as they could. by the way, because of that premeditation and planning is one of the reasons why these flaws that have been proposed wouldn't have prevented them. because when someone is planning

and premeditating an attack they will figure out a way to those laws or quite frankly to comply with them in order to get around it. that may be a argument for new laws of a different kind but it is what makes it hard, though not impossible. the second thing they have in common almost all of these attacks were preceded by clear signs of what was to come a cursory review of all the recent cases point that out. we all remember the loss of 20 people at a church. this is the case of a person said that he tried to killer. this person was arrested an convicted for domestic violence, unfortunately not reported to the back groaned check. a person left a mental health facility, caught taking guns on

a air force base. he had special media posts buying dogs to shoot them and actually expressed admiration for the south carolina killer in that church killing a few years ago. an individual was actually charged with animal mistreatment a few years earlier. and sandy hook we know the killer had a spreadsheet with details of the previous school shootings. it was also an individual whose mental state was rapidly deteriorating to the point where he spoke to no one but his mother who he ultimately killed before carrying out the horrific massacre but someone who was isolated in their room all day largely playing video games. and the pulse attack which was precip it at thatted and inspired by adherence to jihadist ideology, as senator nelson pointed out this individual not once, but twice been on the radar screen of the fbi, both times was cleared. they interviewed him.

they asked him question. he didn't meet the standard for staying on the list and he came off. we're still learning facts about yesterday's killer. unlike these others we may learn more because he was apprehended alive and authorities have had an opportunity to question him and that will continue. but here's what we know. we know he was exfelled from school for behavior that the administrators thought was dangerous. we know that from press accounts now both teachers and students did not act surprised that he was the assailant. in fact many of them said that there was a running joke, obviously not a joke anymore, that one day he would do something like this. we know that the media and others have discovered social media posts which are in hindsight deeply disturbing as they point to glorification of gun violence and murder and animal cruelty even apparently. we saw reports this morning of a post on youtube a year ago where he posted that he wanted to be a school shooter. this was alerted to the fbi, who

followed up by the way in an interview with that person who alerted them. they all have this premeditation in common and we sit here in hindsight see all of these little points and say, taken together those are warning signs. the problem is, they're not taken together. the people who might have known about him being expelled may have not known about the social media posts. the people who knew about the social media posts may not have known about what he wrote on youtube. the people who knew about the youtube may not know the fact that police were called for several different times and reasons and so forth. so americans the challenge why it so hard to find something that works. there are a lot of proposals. i hair them and i heard them before and i hear them today and i'm not diminishing them. because it won't work i don't want to hear your argument i

understand, i really do. they used a certain kind of gun, make it harder to get those kinds of guns. i don't have some sort of defacto religious objection to that or some idealogical commitment to that per se. there are all kind of guns that are outlawed and weaponry that is outlawed or special categories. the problem we did that once. it didn't work for a lot of reasons. the one is there are millions in the street. those things, they last 100 years. and so you could pass a law that makes it hard to get this kind of gun in new condition but you're going to struggle to keep it out of the hand of someone who decided that is what they want to use because there are so many out there already that are grandfathered in. neil: we are monitoring this. senator kuhn rob saying -- senator marco rubio saying there are no easy solutions hire. a lot of for example,

republicans not eager to address gun control issues or even reining in guns period. a lot of democrats against republicans criticisms that a lot of this is inspired by violence in movies and videogames. you might add treasury secretary steve mnuchin to this. in what otherwise was a discussion about the budget speaking before the house ways and means committee the treasury secretary added something rather interesting saying personally i think gun violence it is a tragedy what we saw yesterday. i urge congress to look at these issues. speaking before the house ways and means committee, when this issue came up about what if anything the administration, or anyone else for that matter can do on this. you already heard earlier today from the broward county sheriff who said that we have to reassess the risks that are out there and the weaponry that is out there and also the opportunities for people who stray from what is considered normal that are out there. now add to that some republicans who are saying, well, we might

have to address this whole gun issue. we might have to address whether, for example, it is necessary to have this type of weaponry in the hands of folks who shouldn't have it. rick scott, the governor of florida saying that the mentally ill should not have access to a gun. that would seem to be inarguable position but not being echoeded by the president of the united states. not echoed by other republicans. there seems to be a middle ground on some of these other issues. hard to find what that could be after this tragedy. nancy pelosi is calling for action on gun violence. we sooner see action on that than a democratic majority coming in november. you can read that as you would, as you must, in this time when both sides play politics. we'll have more after this. fras? think again. fras? it's time to shake up your lineup. the alerian mlp etf can diversify your equity portfolio

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neil: all right. we are getting word now from former president barack obama who had to handle his share of

counselor-in chief duties after school shootings during his tenure. president trump experienced that a number of times, from had tweet from the former president, we are grieving with parkland but we are not powerless. caring for our kids is our first job and until we can honestly say we're doing enough to keep them safe from harm including long overdue, common sense gun safety laws that most americans want, then we have to change. we are expecting a presser in the next ten minutes to half an hour, again from the broward county sheriff scott israel. this might be the alleged timeline, involving alleged shooter nicolas cruz, how he went about doing what he did. it was near the end of the school day. you heard about setting off an alarm that he might have set off after there was already an alarm practice earlier in the day. the timeline from that, whether the shootings occurred outside of as some suspect then inside.

we might get a better idea of that shortly. also at 2:00 p.m., cruz's actual arraignment in court for these shootings and charges of 17 murders. all right. all of this at a time we are not remiss on other horrible mitigations we have to share with you, including what is happening in general news and what is happening in the markets. they are doing quite well, thank you. to market watchers ryan payne, jonathan hoenig. jonathan, the markets themselves seem we want to come back from all of the hit in the six infamous trading days to make a fifth up day in a row but the back and forth is battling higher interest rates. how is that going to go? >> in fact, neil, optimism is starting to surge that. out from the american association of individual investors, optimism is coming back into the market, despite as you said, not just a surge in interest rates, but really a surge in inflation. people, neil, i was surprised, even given the volatility we've

had, people shrugged this off. back in 1974 inflation was by far the country's number one concern, number one priority. so we're starting to see interest rates break out even, given the fact that we had a stock recovery here, why i think, neil, it is really good time for caution for most investors very much in debt, overextended to their financial situation. neil: ryan payne, when you talk about individual investors, they never knew what volatility was. in fact throughout this entire bull market we had only four relatively minor corrections nothing approaching a bear market, rarely 10% s that going to be the new rule now, just more volatility, more swings of 3 plus% either way? how do you advise they handle it? >> i think basically, that is more normal, right? if you look on average, we have a 10% correction every 12 months. the fact we went through this long period with barely any sort of volatility was not normal.

i think it is healthy to see a little volatility to come back into the markets. i think that is more par for the course the way markets operate over time. as an investor you have this amazing correction in january. if you look at economic growth it is going up. a little inflation i would argue is pretty good, right? we want to see wages are going up. we want to see we have moderate inflation that means the economy is doing better. as an investor you have a gift from the gods to get invested in the markets. if not, you can stomach a little volatility it is worth it for the long term. neil: the market, got close to 3%, what happens if we hit that level, because i think it is a matter when, not if? >> neil, that's different. what is different this time, neil, for the first time in really almost a decade we're starting to see interest rates move up. neil: right. >> neil, move up even ahead of the if he.

a lot of folk, fed will do this, the fed is going to do that, especially on the long end of the curve, interest rates are moving up. for example, homebuilder, excuse me, homebuyers finding mortgage rates the highest in four 1/2 years. i don't think you can shrug this off as real macroeconomic change, neil. what does it mean for the market? i wish i knew. stocks can do very well in periods of high inflation but as you pointed out it brings back volatility because incertainty comes up. what is the interest rate going to be six months, two years, five years. all the government spending finally catching up with us. that is why volatility will continue. neil: ryan, real quickly, a lot of people looked at this, it is not that we don't know if rates will go up, but how high they will to up. that unnerves wall street. what do you think of that? >> let's be real here. 10-year treasury going to 3%. historically that is extremely low. neil: you're right. but again -- >> how do you know? neil: the fear it notches

another, boom, boom. >> i get that but look we haven't seen that in inflation numbers a long time. we're just happy we're starting to see some inflation. neil: be careful what you wish for. >> neil, what was your mortgage in the late 1970s and 1980s. neil: not going to repeat how old i am, but that rate per day. but guys, we'll have to see how it all sorts out. meantime we are keeping a close eye on what would otherwise have been a stunning development, the president of the united states talking about a federal gas tax, as much as 25 cents a gallon. a lot of republicans are gassed at that. you know the gipper had a gas tax in 1983, nine cents, a little more than nine cents a gallon. former reagan economic advisor art laffer. republican congress went along with that the argument that our highway trust fund badly depleted, needed the money. could this republican president

do the same thing. >> possibly. i opposed it when the gipper did it back then. i would oppose it right now. we don't need more taxes. the gas tax is one of the more innocuous taxes in the system but drew lewis says it was user fee. gas taxes are not user fees by the way. you can't build a bridge with a gas tax. otherwise you have the cars going off at the end. i don't think, i don't think we need a gas tax. i don't think it will get through right away. of all the taxes that is one of the least-damaging taxes. neil: i talking about this i think yesterday, as long as we can make sure it only went, former transportation secretary lahood said we have to put it in proverbial lockbox, only for infrastructures, roads, bridges, whatever. i know how that lockbox thing works. someone else always finds the key. i'm worried about that. if it went to just those purposes, i might even consider it, as if my opinion means

anything. but it never does, right? >> well i don't think you ever want to lock a tax with a pend ture item. i don't think what you need to. you collect your taxes in the least-damaging fashion and spend the money in the most beneficial fashion and for the chance of that happening perfectly between a gas tax and highway fund just doesn't make sense at all. neil: something going with the money that we already provide for infrastructure, through tolls and, excise taxes, state, gasoline other related taxes better than $100 billion a year. i wonder where is that money going? that alone should be taking care a lot of this stuff. before we commit more money, can we not take better care of watching dollars and cents going on now. >> i'm 100% with you. we ought to watch it much more carefully and we don't need more taxes right now, neil. believe me when i tell you we don't. but again this is one of the

more innocuous taxes in the system. but republicans if they were smart to use this to negotiate democrats on global warming issue, obviously the global warming people love a gas tax inordinately to get concessions from the democrats to get a gas tax. we don't need taxes now. we got the big, big tax bill in. we have got deregulation. we have spending sitting out there that is a problem. but what we really need to do is focus on the dollar, making sure we get king dollar. this gas tax is a diversion. plus i don't think it is growing to pass this year. can you imagine republicans pass aghast tax hike just before an election. neil: not happening this year. >> doesn't make any sense to me. neil: quickly when i got you, steve mnuchin made news unexpectedly speaking before the house ways and means committee today, ostensibly about budget items, then the issue of shooting came up. he said maybe congress should

act on gun violence. he wasn't more specific about that. there is divided line between some republicans not that we can't entertain or look at reining in maybe dangerous guns that go beyond, let's say what hunters need, so we don't go beyond what our father fathers wanted. how do you feel about that? are republicans in a box on this? should they show flexible on this? should democrats show flexibility on game violence, hollywood movie violence? is that the make of a middle ground position? >> i don't know, you're way above my pay grade about guns. i don't understand the issue. neil: you are such a liar. you have a point of view. i know you have a point of view. >> i don't have a point of view. i'm a economist. you want to match incentives here and maybe sure things are safe as possibly can give the costs. i understand that gun violence is down over the last 40 or 50 years dramatically. but it is way above my pay

grade. i'm another, neil. neil: just to be clear, i really don't mean to belittle you on this, but an ar-15, that is a pretty serious weapon that could kill bambi 1000 times over. so i'm wondering whether therein lies the potential for the republican who have this reputation of being, you know, at the mercy of the gun lobby say no, this is where we're going to draw a line. what do you think? >> i don't really know. honestly, i don't have a gun. i don't use guns. my kids all love guns. they have them. you know, it's a complicated issue but it is really ahead of my pay grade, neil. neil: art laffer -- >> i don't want to answer the question. you get me on economics. i have answers for everything. neil: i threw that at you. it is about economics. gun lobby gives a lot to republicans. gun lobby give as lot to republican. >> but i've been a democrat as much of my life, neils as i have been a republican. neil: that is good to know.

>> i am kennedy democrat. i thought clinton was great president and trump is doing a great, great job. neil: you still haven't answered my question. art laffer, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. neil: i don't want to make light of this, this will be the royal debate. if you want to protect the right of gun ownership where do you draw the line? what is it necessarily to protect yourself to hunt, to do all of this stuff? some weapons end up in the wrong hands. as i think governor rick scott was saying today in florida, maybe the mentally ill should not have access to this type of weaponry. when it comes to weaponry, maybe we shouldn't protect something like a semiautomatic rifle with the power of an ar 15? whether that shows divide in ranks of republicans. when. steve: is adding his name to the list it would be probably interesting for congress's interest to explore this, maybe, just maybe, we're on to something, after this.

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neil: we awaiting return of broward county sheriff scott israel. we're told the timeline of developments yesterday and ticktock how it is, you know, nicolas cruz was able to do what he did and apparently with high element of surprise. keep in mind a law enforcement official was in the school at the time. apparently nowhere near when cruz arrived. was in effective in stopping him. we'll maybe get the idea how all of this happened. meantime let's go to steve harrigan in parkland with the very latest. steve. reporter: neil, we heard from the president earlier today. he addressed the nation but also spoke specifically to children saying he would do everything in his power to keep them safe while at school. he said he will visit parkland. he described the act as an act of evil. he said it is a mental health issue. he did not discuss gun control

during his remarks. the sheriff here said the crime scene inside of the school is being processed as quickly as possible. there are still bodies inside the school. all the families have been notified. some of the victims have been identified by other family members who have posted on social media. the word you can often read over and over again in those posts is broken. for fathers and mothers who lost their children, that is the word they're using. so injuries go far beyond the 17 people killed. there is new video released by the police inside of the school, snagsing down doors and windows to save who they can. gives you a sense of chaos inside of the school with smoke and fire alarms. how the shooter was able to escape to be at large more than an hour. after the shooter, we're learning more too about nicolas cruz, the 19-year-old orphan. he lost his mother three months ago. he was living with a family friend. that house has been searched as well as another mobile home 35 miles away from here where

there may have been bomb-making equipment found. disturbing pictures of cruz on social media often with guns or knives. he makes his first court appearance at 2:00. he faces charges of 17 premeditated murders. neil, back to you. neil: steve, thank you very, very much. get the read on all of this with republican virginia congressman, former navy seal scott taylor. very good to have you, congressman. there has been a debate, once again after these tragedies there invariably is, focused on republicans whether they're in the lockstep with the gun lobby. i know you heard these issues before. is there a sense, because i heard from a lot of republicans, marco rubio chief among them, there are laws on the books to prevent mentally i'll getting their hands on guns. there are laws on the books right now to make sure that particularly violent weapons, semiautomatic fives can not be used for hunting purposes.

yet they are abused. where do you stand on that? what has to be done about that, if anything? >> thank you for having me, neil. obviously let me say my heart goes out to the folks affected families and friends and victims in florida. everybody stand with them obviously in america. look, when you look at this, folks are very quick to jump to one thing or the other. are you beholden to the gun lobby. that is ridiculous. i'm beholden to the constitution. i'm beholden what our second amendment rights are to protect ourselves. you have to say. you hear about hunting this isn't about hunting. second amendment is not for hunting. it is the worst-case scenario to deal with tyrannical government period. one of our most fundamental rights we have. thank god we do have them. that being said there are issues, mental health issues. republicans the last congress, i didn't vote on this one before me voted for more funding for mental health training for law

enforcement folks to see something and deal with folks that may have an issue here. that is underreporting, i have a bill right now, i'm very displeased quite frankly with the military underreporting thousands of domestic abusers statistically more likely to commit gun violence. they were underreported. i find that tragic and inexcusable. it has to happen. so there are laws on the books -- neil: you're quite right about that you're quite right about the genesis of a lot of protections we have for gun ownership had to do with party we were wore i had about tyranny. worried about issues that were far different than today. >> well, neil, to be honest with you, i don't mean to interrupt you, i apologize, historically speaking this is issue you always have to worry about. we're not biologically different than anybody else in the world and many countries in the world have to deal with this thing. this, democrats are

also loathe to take on their hollywood funders on violent video games or violence in movies. you heard the rap against republicans. they're leery, not blaming you to take on the gun lobby, whatever, that the middle ground has to be each is willing to rein in what appears to be the coziness of each side to those respective bases. what do you think? >> well, look, i think we have to look at mental health. that is clearly an issue. we have to look enforcing laws on the books now. when you, i was looking through my instagram. there was video thing, very, very real assault rifle and violent videogames. we have to address root causes. we have to figure out why is it that somehow acceptable for some of these kid to go up and shoot schools? we also have to address the soft target. i'm in the capitol right now. you have to go through a metal detector. there are armed guards here. neil: right. >> i'm protected. why aren't we protecting

precious resource. gun-free zones. massachusetts in new law you have to have shooter detection thing, basically detects a gunshot in one second, because it is software, goes to first-responders, people there, get down, get out. law enforcement in minutes. look at these things to protect the most vulnerable amongst us,. neil: you mentioned that, congressman, i remember earlier the broward county sheriff talking about this very issue, he thinks we have to look at maybe more funding. he didn't put it in some words. that we have to beef up law enforcement yet there was law enforcement figure at this school yesterday. all inner about schools have magnetometers. i don't know what the case was here, whether that was provided throughout the school, where this particular policeman was at the time of the shooting and all. >> that's correct. neil but -- neil: funding issue or is it

more? >> funding is part of it. funding is always part of it. if you do anything securitywise you will have to have it. i've never been proponent having a bunch of armed men walking around in a school with their guns sticking out everywhere, reality you mentioned law enforcement there, agent there, had they had the shooter protection thing he would know where immediately the gunshot was, exactly where it was. other folks would have been alerted folks responding to the scene. important to say this, neil, you will not have per speck security. you just can't have it, but like i said, why should i be protected as lawmaker here with folks with guns and to protect me from folks mentally ill, wish to do me harm, other lawmakers, we don't take a serious look at the gun-free school zones that have our most precious commodity there, our future. i think it is something we have to look at. neil: no, i think your voice carries special importance given your military past, your seal

days and your service to this country. sir, thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> always a pleasure, neil. thank you. neil: in the process, it means rattling cages on both sides of the political spectrum here. but there is room to address some these issues on the left and the right. because this will keep happening. more after this. hi, i'm the internet! you know what's difficult?

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neil: all right. the president speaking earlier to the nation on this school shooting, offering a role as consoler in chief. this happened a lot, certainly under his presidency, happened a lot under barack obama. happened a lot under george bush. to former cincinnati mayor ken blackwell where he has to play that role. what do you think of what he said today? >> focused his remarks right where they should be focused a community response to a system that is apparently broken. here was a young man who was mentally troubled. he was suspended from school, yet he was in school and he was fully armed. that's, that's a problem. that is a system break down that we have to, that we have to deal

with. the reality is it wasn't about the fact that he had a gun. it was that he shouldn't have had a gun, based on his troubled past. neil: there are laws for that sort of thing. there was nothing to telegraph that he had any mental problems at the time. >> neil, that is part of the problem. when you look at the data, you look at this community, not only the school community but the broader community, this was not a crime-ridden community. they were in fact caught flat-footed. but i will tell you, you know, there has been a lot of talk about the, about you know, gun lobby and second amendment and the fact of the matter is that the nra, working in concert with educators and law enforcement officials has a very good program call the school shield program and it talks about the way that communities can work

together to make sure that while the second amendment is protected we begin to deal with the mental health challenges that many in our communities, you know, are faced with. and talked about a responsible community response to reducing the number of incidents like this. there is no way anybody can explain a way the evil act by a der ring -- deranged individual. neil: making sure that individual can not get a gun. we had so much breaking news. we're awaiting on the brow card count chief on time line of yesterday's horrific events. more after this. achoo! (snap) achoo!

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>> do two things i want to focus next week when i see leaders as i want to focus on school safety. if somebody is mentally ill, they should not have access to a gun. in 2017, the fbi received information on comments saddam going to be a professional school shooter. the fbi conducted the reviews, checks, but was unable to further identify the person who made the comment. >> give police the power if the power if they see something on social media, if they see graphic xers of rifles than blood and gore and guns and

bombs, if they see something, horrific language, i want to grow to be a serial killer, we need to have the power to take that person and bring them before mental health professionals. neil: by the way commander broward county sheriff will be giving us another update momentarily now about the timeline of nikolas cruz's attack on this high school yesterday in broward county, florida that might give us a better idea how he was able to pull this off. apparently with an armed security guard on site at that high school. apparently very, very big, multi-building facility. a lot easier to say after the fact, how could that happen. he was nowhere near cruz when he arrived beard as for the assailant come his appearance will be at a courthouse very shortly. another hour or so of these

crimes including 17 deaths. ask a former n.y.p.d. commissioner, howard safer. you've been hearing a lot of this back and forth. a lot of you are trying to look at the timeline of events and say how he could have pulled this off, especially given the fact that so many kids after the fact were not surprised it was this guy. what you think? >> well you know, it is in fact to look in hindsight. we have to fix the system. one of the things that occur to me as we have a sexual predator list in every community. law enforcement should have a list of those who have mental treatment and not for dissemination and not outside my enforcement, but we should have some early warning system because there was morning but no system in place to do anything about it. trade to the gun laws that exist can you hear those advocating we

don't need more losses, we need the ones on the books that those mentally ill can i get a gun. but if they are not classified that way, where no one has gotten word to authority that someone is not way arafat mind, they never know, right? >> that is true. that is why we need to document for line force may come at people who have this kind of mental treatment or this kind is incident reported. we also have to do something about our insane gun laws. the fact is there should be a reenactment of an assault weapons ban had been in a r. 15 in the hands of this individual is just outrageous. neil: you know, that's something i thought of, too. we talk about ownership in protecting obviously for an evil overseers and all of that and i understand that, but it is now

morphed into protecting all types of weaponry that can fire multiple rounds a second, way beyond the issues addressed back in the days of that amendment. probably not aware dialing it back, yet for democrats is well on the issue beholden to a hollywood community and violent games and movies, and that sort of thing are reluctant to take them on. should it be a two-pronged approach? >> it should be. we should make sure that weapons that are out there are really used for the purposes that there are not multiple magazines, not multiple ability that have these stocks on the back, but we have to have some control. i've advocated in the past that we have a requirement each year that every gun owner coming for a safety inspection to show that his gun at dylan has possession because a lot of these kinds

although this one was purchased legally, a lot of these are with people who have no business carrying them. we have to really evaluate an assault weapon and how we are letting people with mental illness is go unreported and we really have to have some kind of database where we will know when these kinds of things are happening. in this case, the fbi had a report about it, but they had no method to really do something about it in advance. neil: no way to track the individual down. howard, thank you very much. the president could address this issue but the nation today. consoling the nation, but also promising he will make a trip to florida himself. he wants to gather local state officials and hear them out on ways to handle this issue. take a look. >> later this month, i will be meeting with the nation's governors and attorney generals, who were making our schools and our children safer, will be our

top priority. it is not enough to simply take actions that make us feel like we are making a difference. we must actually make that difference. neil: let's go to former new york state cochair robert strang. honestly we are waiting for a timeline on yesterday's developments, which i think are going to be the gist of the upcoming press conference. if i leave you, that is the reason, my friend. i want to get your take on how it is a lot of warning signs and very easy to be a monday morning quarterback on the same thing now can connect the dots. it's very hard before the fact. certainly a number of people had grave concerns about nikolas cruz getting expelled from high

school. how do you convey that? you could argue that with a lot of people, their actions would warrant attention of finger-pointing. where do you draw the line? >> it's like when we put a system in place to secure a location, city, school, it is always the same thing. you have your intelligence information. you have your actual security, whether it is guards, police and then you actually have your enforcement operations. those three things together work very well. you can take up philosophy, put it into a school and have those three areas work together. when you get information from students to have a place to go. you have a system where law enforcement will evaluate it. you have a system would have a forensic psychiatrist evaluated. they will work together and take the proper steps. right now we don't have that in the school systems. it is pretty simple to do if you

take your top personnel from the hospital, top personnel from the police department, took them department, took them right in the superintendent or principle. you can actually make this work or do well. we have all the tools. it's just a matter of implementing the schools across our country. >> you just mentioned there, i know there are political charges, and republicans take on the gun lobby. that's a little bit simplistic. they take on videogames and movies, so i know how that goes. but is there a middle ground here on this issue? there are laws on the book the things we can do to tighten them out. people want more laws. a lot of those who own guns are afraid they will be taken away. what do we do? >> well, we have so many laws on the books now that are not being enforced. for the most part when you take a look at the gun owners in

gunowners intercountry are law-abiding citizens. so really when it comes down to, look at the commissioner. you know, howard was our commissioner, howard safir when the crime is dropping in our city. yet the dare program in the city for police to develop relationships with kids in schools day in and day out. but today what commissioner o'neill is doing with community policing and how he is getting out there and developing relationships in the community, helping us from a potential terrorist attack by being able to communica with people in the community with line force then, by being able to verify information as they get the community and prevent a serious problem. these things are not mutually exclusive. you can do a good job with the tools that we have, the laws that we have if you have the resources to put this together and put a program together like they have in new york, like many schools around the world.

it is possible to do. you know, i hear everybody talking about different laws and new laws, but i feel that we do have the tools. it is just a matter of funding what needs to be done and the will of the people. as far as the will of the people, we are getting pretty close. neil: everyone is worried about your kids to your point. a lot has been said about the disproportionate acts of violence, with schools in our country versus other countries. south america a little while ago. it's an interesting line of attack, no pun intended. we have had 273 school attacks just send sandy hook in which 26 kids were killed and a couple of teachers. 450 individuals were shot and a third have been killed. i am wondering, is not unique to the united states? i know they are isolated

incidents in other countries, but nothing to this degree. is it our lenient gun laws, protect city to violence, what? >> various problems in other countries similar to the united states. when it comes to security in the school systems. again, it is the bigger picture there because many of those countries, law enforcement is basically nonexistent and if it is fair, it is not anywhere near where we are in law enforcement in the united states. neil: by the way, and a per capita basis those numbers change dramatically. go ahead. >> i do think this is something on the increase here. we sent it over the past 20 years. we are getting better at this everyday, including what has happened recently knowing better as a police officer in the school. we need to focus more on making certain that we have a plan in place and are able to deal with this. our kids are growing up, and

many becoming disenfranchised come in many with mental health issues. we have hit the laws that forensic psychiatrist or the school psychiatrist can share with the police chief. these are things that can be fixed. these are things that need to be fixed. especially when you have, to your point, the problem we have in our country today, i don't see why we are not doing this already. neil: well put, robert strang, thank you for your time. >> thank you. neil: we don't want to lose fact that their other things things going on in this world. there are sad reminders that they continue as these kinds of things happening. the dow, for example briefing to a high back over 25,000, trying to make five days in a row that we are positive on the year right now. much more on that as well. whoooo.

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>> i obviously -- [inaudible] saying that it was at the school, but it turns out now, everyone predict today. that is craziness. neil: a lot of connecting the dots after the fact that we will understand more when port authorities detail a timeline with the alleged attack

yesterday. how he went about it, how he might have pulled an alarm to entice students out of classrooms and into harms way. we are learning separately at the fbi is conducting a whole new investigation into this 2017 tip about the shooting suspect. of course, that is when he was writing more on youtube i should say. i'm going to be a professional school shooter. his name was not hitting. there is a lot of back and forth as they couldn't track him down because his name was announced. he most certainly did leave his name. obviously that begs the question, what happened there? child adolescent therapist here. very good to have you. there's a lot i didn't think of, talking about gun laws and everything else. maybe they shouldn't be applied to everybody, that there is a separate group, younger group of

developing minds for which this is an issue. >> i think this is a really critical pieces now we do know the adolescent brain is not fully developed. in fact, your adolescent brain is more than twice as likely to hit on anything, can act on anything exciting or risk-taking. any kind of impulsive decision and we know the inhibitory responses are nearly half of that. that basically means we know they're not going to make great decisions. i would say from 12 up until 24, 25. neil: so we would have a different standard or laws to address this young group then we would? >> we can certainly do that for purchasing guns that we do it for alcohol. we do it for nicotine. we do it for all kinds of things. if we don't feel they can control it, make solid

decisions, it is something that we could definitely do. neil: you and i were chatting come as a parent i worry about social media and what my kids are on and if they discover something be that to them, how do far do you go as a parent? most parents are of the mindset i don't want to get involved. >> i think that is something that maybe needs to change a little bit because it's in the escalation of social media in so many areas we never saw before. the bullying, depression, similarly out of control deaths, making fun of people. me and asked people to go further. when something seems really out of order or strange coming into go ahead and mention it to other parents, possibly the school administrators. neil: with mental illness becomes an issue, when it's an issue, we know many people who

do. the accusation if i were to make a charge to you, that is just me saying that and it wouldn't stop you from getting a gun. what elevates it to the point you make an official charge, and inquiry, how does that happen so that a person like this doesn't get a weapon? >> one important distinction is yes, there's definitely mental illness here, but there wasn't something prior. there wasn't a strong enough record. if he had been referred to the schools could do something with the violence in the escalating incidence that he could be referred on for mental health. certainly, i think we go back to parents accountability. he lost his mother, so we know that is a very heart wrenching situation and his family let him bring a gun with him to the next house. even if we weren't thinking as far as mass shootings, that is

the number one thing we ask about in suicide. if you have access to a gun to the likelihood you will commit suicide is way greater. those are kind of simple things you can do is the responsibility the sandy hook shooting. again, the mother kept getting this kid who had some very disturbing violent tendencies, more and more automatic weapons. neil: shoe is the only one who knew it at the time. >> where does the responsibility lie? this is a call to bring us all in a little more. parents do need to believe are responsible. it is often in working with parents, it is scary, especially when you think there might be a mental illness problem with your child, the certainly not something we should shy away from. neil: darby fox, and thank you. maybe we are looking at the gun laws differently. a little more after this.

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neil: a couple things with an update from broward county and with the attack that began almost 24 hours ago, around that time eastern time yesterday. an idea how he was able to pull off what he did also due in court at 2:00 p.m., half-hour from now. the house ways and means committee, congressmen, thank you for taking the time to join us. steve mnuchin, treasury secretary said something interesting that maybe the congress should look into this gun issue today. who is part of a broader budget discussion to be fair. what you make of what he was saying? >> obviously, when you see an horrific event like this in

florida, we want to address the problem. i stand with our second amendment. the better conversations get to the root cause to get the mental health issues addressed, how do we find a cure for these individuals. that is something we should focus on. neil: do you think that i may understand all of that obviously with some authorities that you are deemed mentally unfit. a lot easier said than done. there is an issue that would've prevented it from getting in this case a weapon, a powerful weapon at that. i guess what i'm asking you is should it be harder to get weapons that are progressively stronger or more powerful?

>> neil, what should happen is an individual such as this exhibit violent tendencies, violent behavior. to me, that is a red flag for a mental health issue that we need to address and you need to find a cure for the medical community. i don't think we really embraced it as a country yet. mental health is a medical condition and as a medical condition, we can find a cure for these conditions these folks are engaging in violent. neil: there is no formal recognition you have a mental disorder. gone are the days we have a mental hospital, that sort of thing. it's changed a lot now that many areas within the general population and unless, taken in by police over an incident that bring something to their attention, we will never know. they are free to go and pick up a weapon or something like that. i'm overgeneralizing here, but it there room for sort of tightening up the laws that we have that with police just that?

>> there is an opportunity for that conversation because we've made great steps in the institutionalizing folks and trying to embrace and we need to continue to that policy appeared at the same time that someone exhibits a medical condition that is a threat to fellow citizens and our safety it is the right time to have a conversation of how do we get them the treatment they need and protect us as american citizens in a free society from that thread. that's an honest conversation and that's the harder conversation i have and that's why hasn't been older ways. neil: including the immigration of the plan right now, the president is not keen on assertive bipartisan middle ground idea where you would allow more illegal immigration into this country. he says that it could get out of control, kind of paraphrasing the position, but seeing that as the one that has more support for example, chuck grassley is

more limited approach to this. where is all this going? >> of this is going to be addressed, you're going to have kind of a middle ground type of bipartisan agreement. i'm not very optimistic as to what i hear out of the senate so therefore that doesn't bode well for the future of solving this. when you narrow the issue down to solving two issues in my fundamental opinion, taking care of the kids part of the dreamer population, we can solve that and allow them to have the american opportunity, american dream, boy also need to secure the border. those two items alone there is a solution that can be forged together. neil: that means by definition you would necessarily go right after the chain migration thing or the lottery program. those are another day. >> possibly, but you need to address some of that is part of this. -- the immigration system. that is part of this

conversation we may be just narrowed down to the dreamers, border security and what doing what we can to prevent this from happening again. >> on the budget and the president's budget a lot of people seem dead on arrival or doesn't even come close to balancing in the next 10 years. do you think this president cares? do you think your party cares about that? >> this is something i'm very concerned about and that's what i came out and i was very disappointed in the president's budget in regard to how it dealt with our debt and i will tell you as a party i was disappointed that that's why he voted against the budget cap deal because i'm about broke. i can accept the deficit on the growth of tax reform, but i cannot accept continuing spending policies unchecked. we need to get the spending and control of the debts under control because for my humble it, the debt crisis is occurring as we speak. that is real impact.

neil: especially as interest rates rise. >> you're not going to find enough money at a taxpayer dollars to make the interest payments. we are getting to the point where if you are home you would not deal to major bills because you're just paying everything on the credit card tab. neil: congressman, thank you very much to the congressman's point, back in 2001, 2002, the average rate on our debt was about 5.5, 6%. right now the average rate on our debt is a little bit less than 3%. just getting back to the historical norm and we're rapidly heading in that direction, you could be adding trillions of dollars to our debt. without anything to do a spending, which by the way is going up at an alarming rate, having everything to do with iras. 10 year note, just touching, very close to touching 3%. a little more after this.

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neil: we might have to break for mass-market discussion for the president on the timeline of yesterday's attacks in florida. devastating attacks on the school. in the meantime, take a look at where we stand at the market is racing ahead right now. these are in another session highs. actually we were a lot higher, 200 points higher. while in the positive territory. can we hold that it can this be the fifth day in a row of games? market watcher gary b. smith, melissa arnold after this and of course deirdre bolton. your take on what is going on. >> i was surprised how much we've recovered since last week that i know i am shocked by en. i didn't expect this often happened -- that happened last week so quick. abu retraced back, one week after word, smooth sailing in the market to make more records.

we've got to get over the high of last monday's selloff, which were not that far from doing. neil: that could worry some people as well. slip this off like there is no message intended there. i agree with that. as far as market tone goes, choppy markets, more choppy trades. reagan had lower lower last week was sentimentally about that. so it also seems the market is going to support this 10 year yield had four year highs right before the opening bell today. the fact that markets are still moving higher sense to me at some level investors are getting used to the concept of slightly higher rates. >> slightly more volatility. >> what's interesting with the phenomena as of late is they have banned inexorably back enough. it is like the 10 like the tenure as i'm almost screaming 3%, get there. i don't know what will happen if we get there because we are close to that.

>> i don't think anything will happen when we get there. you have to put it in a as you remember the days of super hyper inflation back in the mid-to-late 70s. now where to .1% inflation. we've had many, many great years. for the last 60 years, the average tuition is closer to 3%. even if it goes that 50% from where we are now, we are just back up at the average. many years in the 60s and 80s, the economy gdp unemployment has done quite well almost double what it is now. so people are used to obviously the lower grades, but there's a lot of room to go before it really becomes a concern. neil: are you in the camp of higher rates that are good because things are good? >> not necessarily. we need growth. it's a constant balance with the fed. i wouldn't want that job if you paid me 10 million a year.

it's crazy. it's impossible. the point is for regular people if they're making more money, so good about retirement and retirement accounts are going in there making more than nice, if they are paying a little bit more. they are paying a lot more. that is where it will come out for the cost of goods. next month, the market will react to that. it will look under a microscope. neil: getting too strong. what do you think? >> jerome powell has his work cut out for them. greenspan started two months after the 1987 crash. yeah, i do think marketers are deep racing in three or four and two carries point, historically yes, we still have pretty low rates. >> what if it gets beyond the three rate hikes at a minimum that are dead? >> every major number is going to be the marketeers and people

will look around saying my gosh, gdp is now over 3%. unemployment is dropping. yeah, i mean, people are going to get used to it and because of this severe competition we have, both domestically and internationally for the customer is dollars, nothing is going to get out of hand. >> here's what i'm looking for coming out. follow-through. if we have the follow-through in the rally this week, that is what people want to watch. that's what's important, the follow-through. as a higher or lower. right now it looks higher, not lower. neil: the follow-through would be if we retrace all the grandmas? >> that's right. neil: interesting. in the meantime, follow-through and a little reminder by the president of the united states for higher federal gas taxes. right now it is potentially now that president trump is indicated he would be open to the idea. let's go to jeff flock on what that could mean to forget there.

just. reporter: probably important to debate, neil as we drive through here curiously enough on chicago with the eisenhower expressway. it is named after the president who as you know, champion the federal highway system, dwight eisenhower funded largely with the gas tax. if you look at it right now, the gas tax hasn't been increased since famously 1993, now 18 cents for folks to drive a car like i'm in right now, the trucks that maybe you see on the eisenhower expressway paid 24 cents. you know, there's an indication the president may be willing to do this. tom carper, the senator from delaware said yesterday after he met with the president we agreed, i quote him now, that things worth having are worth paying for. the president even offered to help provide the leadership necessary so we could do something that is proven difficult in the past. as he pointed out earlier in the

program, the whole notion of increasing the gas tax or any kind of tax, the freedom works president quoted as saying i hate to see a siphon off 20% of the thousand dollars tax refund bonuses back to the swamp this year. indeed there is concern that money gets -- gas tax money goes for things like mass transit or light paths which are great things, but they don't fix the roads and bridges. as the former secretary of transportation related told you, i think earlier this week, maybe what we've got to do is put that money in a lockbox and say listen, we can spend for a bunch of other stuff out there. curious enough as we look at the trucks out there, i see eminem hauling paid 24th of for diesel. the trucking industry curiously enough the supportive of the gas tax. american trucking associations with this quote, the fuel tax is the most conservative, cost

effective and viable solution. there's a reason why ronald reagan twice finds this idea into law. the guys in the trucking industry have a vested interest in this eisenhower expressway by the way has not been expanded in decades and it's always a pain in the bumper to traverse because it's always backed out. i could certainly use some help. where the rubber meets the road is a problem because that is where the rubber literally meets the road. neil: i know they are open to that. are they open to 25% gallon hike in the federal tax hike? >> is a dog theoretically gradually. they like it a lot better than they like tolling and people say that is because trucks to a lot more. they're rougher on the road in the cars and make it harder on tolling than they do in a gas spread over everybody. you can't do infrastructure,

neil, without the money coming from somewhere. gas tax or tolls i don't know where else you want to take it discriminately. >> if you can't see it happening this year, this election year. it's not going to happen. >> even the democrats probably don't want in an election year to be voting for an increase in taxes. i agree. >> ronald reagan was 83. >> a failed democracy. after the midterms. they wait until after it. thank you, my friend. jeff flock, keep your eyes on that road. a lot coming up here. the dow stayed well into positive territory and we are waiting for this press there in florida. waiting maybe for a 10 year note because we are not that far. after this. building a website in under an hour is easy with gocentral...

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>> we are committed to working with state and local leaders to help secure our schools and tackle the difficult issue of mental health. tree into the president promising you'll make a visit to florida to meet with those involved in this horrific

tragedy, the families of those injured and killed in this attack yesterday, the details of which come at a of which we will be getting shortly from port authorities. let's go to the daily mail white house reporter vanessa chambers, world poor port contributor ashley pratt. the president was once again thrust into this world that's become all too common for presidents in recent decades to be the controller and chief. how did he do? >> overall addressing the fact that there was some underlying mental health issues was a good move, but i do think many americans are getting very frustrated that when they send their kids off to school that this could become a reality. i think this is happening all too often. i think at this point it would do more for president were to say that something will be done to take action. people are getting fed up with the idea of thoughts and prayers. a lot of this is on congress' hand now, whether the two

commonsense gun reform, whether this is done and that is going to change at one point. i do feel a lot of that frustration. i do see a lot of americans getting to the point of this is counting the tragedies that are happening. again come a very real fear on the lives of many americans. as the president continues to play these roles, i think this is something that is a larger discussion nationally and in congress. neil: one of the things i see in both parties, you're against the reigning men of guns, you will not bend when it comes to things like hollywood and its influential role that republicans want to address and vice versa, so that we never find a middle ground on what prompts the instability in people with such instability to purchase guns in the first place. but there does seem to be more than a middle ground to address both and yet they don't.

that is i guess indicative that the environment in which we live when it comes to coming up with a budget accord or a host of other things. are you any more optimistic now than in the latest tragedy will make any more progress here? >> mealtime he touched on important point that last fall after the las vegas shooting, it seems republicans and democrats might be coming together on this issue potentially passing those bump stocks at the time and then not passed, several weeks went by and we never saw anything happened with that. congress then moved on to other issues happening. even today at the white house, the white house finished a call and immigration reform and what is happening in the united states senate on that point. why isn't the president having a call on a shooting? why is he having a call and immigration instead and then pointed to the president's remarks this morning that lasted about six minutes on the

shooting. in those remarks, the president didn't come up with any specific call for legislation. he did mention mental health, but no specific proposal by the white house it had to do with this and lawmakers calling on house speaker paul ryan to bring legislation noted to the florida house of representatives. >> someone presented to me the existing gun laws, some of the more popular ones made to address issues like mental health. we don't enforce them enough. i understand not. but even touching not to enforce existing laws or button them up, whatever the expression would be, a great resistance to do that two additional -- lead to additional laws. it almost means you're stuck when you're trying to get going. >> to actually two additional laws are additional deaths? that's the point that is very poignant here in congress. there is honestly a point at which there needs to be something done. whether or not that is more

laws, that needs to be what happens. the problem here -- >> what about chicago at the strip is gun control laws in the country. people come back and say that isn't the answer. >> i completely hear what you're saying. we look at this mental health issue. the shooter in the florida shooting was able to purchase multiple weapons including the one that was used in the last year and he had multiple issues. there were multiple issues here and the fact that -- neil: you are absolutely right, but here's the distinction unless its stamp somewhere on your record by somebody and a physical capacity, these issues don't exist. they are invisible, unknown to people. >> that's a huge problem. neil: a lot of people worry about be careful what you wish for because that's "the scarlet

letter" that will do all of the sudden are going to be marked and noted by authorities. >> today democratic lawmakers have been bringing up the issue in response to president trump's remarks saying he's the one who rolled back obama era regulation that would've made it more difficult for people with mental health issues to get guns. that is of course something that will continue to be a topic of discussion in the days and weeks especially as president trump as to florida. neil: guys come in thank you very much. i did mean to cut you short. we are waiting for this price and selling the stock market very closely as he continues to race ahead all of these other events notwithstanding growing optimism that we have the perfect balance right now with interest rates that are higher, but now way unmanageably high and earnings that are going very, very well as we wrap up earnings season, read here that things are going extremely well. more after this.

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neil: things being pushed back a little bit. the shooter of yesterday's horrific events will make a court appearance in next couple minutes. 2:30 that briefing pushed back in florida on timeline what he did. pretty good balance of news in general, even with interest rates backing up, the belief they won't back up too much

tempting 3% rate on 10-year note. and they women see improving economy not inflationary threat. so they hope. to trish regan right now. trish: thank you so much, neil cavuto. breaking everyone, the 19-year-old teen who pulled off the deadliest school shooting in florida history there he is appearing before the judge. let's go to it now. >> premeditated murder. i have something very important to tell you. you're charged with some very serious crimes. you have the right to remain silent. if you give up that right at anytime during this hearing, whatever you say can and will be used against you in the prosecution of this case. the state, how would you like to prepared today? are you seeking to hold the defendant no bond and finding of proof and presumption? >> yes, your honor. of. >> okay. you may proceed. >> your honor, the state is relying on sworn affidavit that the court has