[♪] kennedy: tunning coverage of the horror at the florida high school. how will the close-knit town reconsider from this unspeakable tragedy. i'll talk to the broward county commissioner and the immigration battle imploding on capitol hill. who is some blame? the high school shooting in florida is tragic and sick and sad. and i hope we have a moment to rationally discuss it before devolving into tail chasing which we apparently will be have. second amendment advocates are talking about mental illness.

from what we know about this you be stable murderer. he had his own tragedy mud yig up a damaged brain by losing both adoptive parents in short order. but he didn't brood in secretive silence about his dark intentions. there were so many warning signs the red flags were practically purple, the fbi, his school, his friend, the local cops, everyone seemed to know he was violent and crazy and capable of doing what he did. he reportedly advertised in a youtube post, "i'm going to be a professional school short." that kind of sickness needs to be discussed, identified and treated long before it manifests

into helpfest monday morning quarterback. he used social media to advertise his desires. you can ban guns, you can enact the strictest background laws in the world. but how do you convince someone not to engage their murderous rage. as long as there is a dehumanized disconnect and damaged brain, talking points will never cure this kind of murder. let's talk about it. i'm kennedy. earlier today the suspect is charged with 17 counts of murder. president trump said no parent should ever have to worry about kissing their child good-bye forever. and those killed had a life of promise stolen from them.

watch. president trump: today we mourn for all of those who lost their lives. we comfort the grieving and the wounded. and we hurt for the entire community of parkland, florida that is now in shock and pain and searching for answers. kennedy: but with at least 17 dead and more than a dozen hospitalized, we have a duty to find out what went wrong. did somebody drop the ball here? let me bring in the former fbi isn't director. they said they did a search for this kid after seeing a screen shot from a youtube posting. we note cap it built of the fbi. if they want to find someone, they can find someone. if they want to find the digital

footprint of this guy they have the tools to do that. >> from what i heard, they had a first and last name and they did their data base checks and he didn't pop in the data bases so i they moved on. they could have done court orders to see who had that instagram account or that handle. but the thousands and thousands of leads they get of this nature. that was one aspect of this case where there could have been an intervention and there are many others. kennedy: when we hear about these atrocities and mass shootings oftentimes from san bernardino to orlando and now in parkland, florida, you have someone who is on the fbi radar. the kids were joking about that he was going to come back to school and shoot the place up.

this is as serious as any incident we have seen in this country. if you alert the fbi, and the school knows, what else can we do as parents to know that our kid are safe from sickos like this? >> this is risk management in the school systems. and there are a lot of factors at play here. they should have a threat or risk assessment team. when someone has been expelled. and we know it takes a lot to get expelled from schools. no child left behind. there is a lot of things that have to happen before you can get yourself expelled. there has to be a long history there that they could have examined. and maybe they did. then a thream have to look at that and take action. with all the red flagging twhrawrntion were. you would be hard put to find a case with more red flagging warnings. they could have got and

restraining order. >> with all due respect, someone who is going to inflict as much carnage and murder as many people as possible, a restraining order won't do much. we have to talk about this level of mental illness. obviously this an individual who was clearly disturbed. he was posting pictures of himself with guns and killing police and trying to get around background checks. how red do the flags have to be? and what can you do? you pass a back ground check and if you don't hav have a psychological profile and you don't have a criminal history. i don't understand how background checks are supposed to be the stop gap when there

are so many steps athread of this where you think he should be treated. >> the national insta check system has huge gaps on the mental health aspect. you have to get involuntarily committed to a mental health hospital. most of of the time even when it happens, it's not reported. the system is broken. kennedy: i guess my problem with this centralization is a one size fits all program infringes on the lives of law abiding citizens. i think maybe what we have to do as a society is not lean so much on law enforcement, but figure out within our families how to

assess and get treatment for someone as sick as this and have the capability of committing an act like this. it doesn't happen in the dark, and it doesn't happen overnight. >> it's a giant gap in the system. there is not enough knowledge in the schools. we can talk about the workplace as well. by definition. anybody who does this has to be sick. it doesn't mean they are not cunning and rational and able to plan in the way this person did. kennedy: we have to figure something out. thanks for your time. i appreciate it. as with any mass tragedy like this the finger pointing begins almost immediately. the left blames the right and vice versa. the families of the victims are stuck in the middle. today attorney general jeff sessions said it's time to find solutions. >> today we met with, this

morning, our office of legal policy to work with our partners at health and human services, the department of education across this administration to study the intersection of mental health and imthat and violence and identify how we can stop people before these heinous crimes occur. kennedy: how do we fix this in more gun control? mental health monitoring? or is there something else missing? the editor-in-chief of campus reform, lawrence jones is back. and anthony fisher. anthony, i will start with you. i know you are weary and i share your weariness. as you a parent, it's a stuff conversation to have. as a person who is pro second

amendment, i hear the flimsy speeches in congress. >> i support the right for citizens to bear arms and i think a great many on the right focus on mental health is overblown. there isn't any to our knowledge, any correlation between mental health and violence. the one thing -- kennedy: a specific kind of violence and a specific kind of tendency you see across the board with people who are able to commit crimes like this. that's what you have to pub point and we have to target that sooner. >> my big issue is the target. if there is any fbi fund being used to go after pot dealers. those are funds that can go after people who are borderline.

and every cent being used by ice is a cent that can be used to go after people who are known to be making threats. >> one of the things every one rsh wants to go to a comfort blanket. they want something that makes them feel comforted. we had this conversation earlier on "outnumbered." they want to ban a.r.-15s. everyone knows them, they are reliable. you basically know what you are getting. should they be illegal? >> i'm a second amendment guy, too. you know what i do for a living. i'm not making light of this. this stuff kind of hurts. when you are a special forces guy we go overseas so this kind

of crap doesn't happen to our own people. there are specious arguments on both sides. on my side, for the gun people. why don't we ban cars. that's a dumb argument because a car is not designed kill someone, and a gun is. i won't have a conversation with you don't know what you are talking about. the a.r.-15, we use a similar weapon in combat. an automatic weapons bullets come out of the end until you let go. kennedy: anything that isn't a revolver is a semiautomatic. >> more of this stuff happens with pistols and most of them are suicides. kennedy: when we talk about gun violence suicide are wrapped into that. >> i am willing to talk to

anybody about this, i am. kennedy: but we don't want this to keep happening. >> this is why i go to wars to not have this. i'm willing to talk to you. but you have got to be honest with me on that side. >> can we talk about following the evidence? kennedy: when i was talking to chris a few minutes ago, he said they ran his name through the data base, and that's it? that's pretty much the easiest thing you can do. if you have a 19-year-old or 18-year-old talking about shooting up a school. that's a serious red flag. if they found his social media footprint, it's not hard to find. >> students were making jokes about it. they were saying if there was ever a police shooting, he would

be the guy to do it. the teachers, the school and the fbi knew. i'm so sick and tired of terrorist attacks and the fbi saying we were watching that person but we didn't have enough evidence to prosecute. do your job. kennedy: we know the tools the fbi has. we know all the different ways they can spy on you. >> it's the fbi. they could crush our lives. they can get anybody. >> they don't want to be accountable. as soon as you start holding them accountable, they say you are anti-police. kennedy: the reason you fight overseas is to keep that from coming here. the reason people become comes is to protect their families. >> chasing a guy like this involved getting your fingernails dirty.

it involves following and keeping an eye on him. but it's less showy. you won't get promoted. >> he was posting a lot of exciting things for them to use for a warrant. why didn't they partner with facebook or una gram. i saw this on this account. >> those social media networks will hand over the information. kennedy: it doesn't take a court order. 90% of the voluntary exchanges when law enforcement goes to social media. yep, here. it's not like they are stonewalling and protecting their users. they will hold over a majority they are requesting. if we can't have people do basic police work and catch these guys, the conversation is null and void. they have got to do the job.

this is bad, this keeps happening. in order to protect our own political interests, we are not asking why. kennedy: i'm going to speak to members of the community. >> he said please, please let me in. you heard him across the hall, that's all you heard. you are not allowed to open the door. all you heard was gunshots. that was the one they dragged down the stairs. i think he passed

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media. just about every high schooler has a smart phone so it was inevitable that it was streamed in real-time. in this video students are frantically trying to get to safety after the massacre began. other videos too graphic for tv. as well as students desperately trying to get to safety as they run by bloodied bodies. all the kids are posting bloody photos on social media. joining me, a man whose daughter and niece attend the high school. tell me how is your family doing? >> my family is doing okay. my daughter was a senior at

douglas high school. she just left. my niece thank god is doing okay. my family is dealing with the fact this is a small community and we know almost everybody involved in this tragedy. kennedy: it's difficult for outside stores wrap their heads around the tragedy. i can't imagine what you, your colleagues and community members are going through. did your niece and daughter know hot shooter was? were they aware of them before this happened? >> i don't believe they were. i'm hearing anecdotally a afterwards some of the kids knew hot short was. i know this child was expelled from school at some point. but my kids didn't know him. kennedy: how hard is it to get expelled from a broward county

school? >> i think there -- i'm not sure of the details of what made him be expelled. but he wasn't suppose to be there and came back on campus. kennedy: you have to do something pretty serious to get kicked out of a school. >> i don't know what he did but i would think that was the case. kennedy: there was one armed security officer at the school. what have you heard? >> all the schools in parkland have school resource deputies, armed officers at the school. i heard the fire alarm was pulled, caused a little and moan yum. a window was shot out in the door between the classroom and the gun was stuck in there and shot up some people. the law enforcement was here quickly. there was a pretty huge response of law enforcement. so they did get here.

but obviously not in time for the 17 or so victims. kennedy: what are freedom your community saying and how are they moving forward? >> they are in a state of shock. this is not a community where you with expect. not that you would expect it anywhere. pacialghtd always suburban bedroom affluent community. this an "a" school, one of the best schools in south florida. people are moving here to go to this school. our community is ranked highly as far as safety. people are in shock. i was at a couple public places this morning and throughout the day. people are just stunned beyond belief. they don't know what to make of it. it will take some time for healing in this community. kennedy: i'm sure people in your community will be reaching out to places like columbine and sandy hook where these

acrossities have happened in the past. i can't imagine how difficult it is. but when you start with a tight community you have a much better shot of coming to terms and finding some peace in this impossible darkness. we wish you and your family and community the best. thank you for sharing your time and story tonight. >> we'll come together. we are a resilient community and parkland will bounce back. kennedy: the immigration battle continues to drag none the senate with both sides dig in. so with the mash 5 deadline -- with the march 15 deadline, where do dreamers stand? get fast acting nasal relief that works in seconds, and lasts for up to 12 hours, with zicam extreme congestion relief and zicam intense sinus relief. for colds and allergies, get your better back with zicam nasal sprays.

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urging republicans to reject anything other than his own plan which provides a pathway to citizenship for 1.8 million dreamers providing congress gives the money to secure the border. the panel has returned. anthony, this one of your areas of expertise. everyone knows the immigration is broken. 25 billion goes to border security because we know the wall is never going to get built. who wouldn't take that plan. >> border security could mean increasing unconstitutional border patrol searches within 100 miles, including oceans. at least 3/4 of the it s. population will be subject to unconstitutional searches as they are now.

i'm for finding -- this will only create more illegal immigration. kennedy: if you have a problem with something because there is too much illegal immigration. that means you have to open the valve a little bit. >> president trump is hostile to even legal immigration. he knows there is no way to get rid of the illegals who are already here. >> he has given citizenship to 1.8 million. so i think there is some come pro mice there. if the president were to structure the whole wall deal as border security, some fencing and technology there. i think that's actually a pretty good deal. the money is a little bit higher than i would like it. but i think it's a compromise.

the president's base is going to be mad as hell. >> this is what he ran on. kennedy: build the wall, make mexico pay for it. >> any thinking person, even if you voted for trump, and i did, i couldn't vote for hillary clinton. but he's got to do something. that was a major platform. i do understand that. from the point of view at some point, you know, there has to be american sovereignty. there has to be. >> every country is allowed to protect its own borders. awful our allies protect their -- all of our allies protect their borders. but there are people who want to come into this country and do phenomenal things.

>> nobody is coming here to be a welfare leach, they are coming here to work. >> have strict borders and aggressive immigration police. but allow more people who want to come here to work, work. kennedy: the idea of a merit-based system, i understand that. you want the smartest and the best. but you also want the hardest working. sometimes the people who want to come to this country come from the most of forgotten and desolate places. they have an incredible workette thiks thick. what is the mechanism? >> i don't think it's a good idea to teach our children. it's not where you start, it's where you finish. i do think that the president has a right to say we need to

have standards on the people coming here. what he should have done is said in addition to border security we'll have comprehensive immigration reform. we'll clear the deck and have people that are competent and reviewing the application. if you are not a criminal and want to work here, i'll get you across the border. >> whatever we decide we want, we should get to decide who comes here. it's not like it's a human -- right. kennedy: immigrants are not refugees. >> we do get to pick who gets to come here. kennedy: we don't have the right way of vetting people so people who want to work and thrive. >> remember when rick santorum

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l.a.? l.a.? >> where were you from california? kennedy: i weren't too ucla. >> so you hate america. kennedy: no, i don't. i love it. there are liberty-minded people, but they have to whisper to each other because they want to work. if you are outspoken about your views and you don't have a bunch of billions of dollars. >> i think he's a fascinating guy. >> it takes 45 minutes to fly from northern california to l.a.? >> who would have thought. >> i think media other than tech. >> i don't think this whole environment will last long in hollywood. they continue to eat their own. if you disagree they tend to

make you an outcast. i don't think -- >> be sustainable? there are a lot of people out there that aren't on that crazy left-wing side that they keep hush hush and keep it quite and just get the work done. >> it's pretty sad. >> l.a. county is right next to orange county. orange county is conservative for california. kennedy: laguna beach, here he comes. then the hills. thanks to our party panel. the rob porter controversy is the latest in what seems to beer in ending in the series of dramatics coming out of the white house. in a new book former chief of staff reince priebus says this is nothing compared to the early

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but according to a new book, reince priebus says of the chaos in the white house, take everything you heard and multiply it by 50. he out lines fights with steve bannon and battles to keep jeff sessions from resigning. joining me now, chris bedford. chris, welcome back to the show. reince priebus does seem to have a bit of an ax to grind. but in the end he says i still love the guy. even though he was fired, he has great affection for the president. how would you describe that? >> he's one of the only actors

who is a narrator you can trust. unlike sean spicer who lost their jobs and didn't find another job after that. priebus has his own gig going. and why would he pick a fight with the administration after all he's been through. kennedy: he talked about jeff sessions who resigned. according to a little early glimpse of this book. priebus ran out to jeff sessions car. knocked on the window and said what the hell is going on, jumped in, brought him back into the west wing and got him to say. >> that was pretty shameful. you and i may disagree on whether sessions is an a.g. but to treat someone like that who was such a loyal supporter early on is really sad.

i knew a lot of people on the outside who are friends of donald trump who were working around the clock make sure he didn't get rid of sessions because he was always a loyal character to donald trump and was doing his job faithfully as a attorney general and maybe fighting off some of trump's demons. kennedy: in michael wolff's book, because he wasn't granted access that long. reince priebus is gone. yoyou are a writer and editor-in-chief in washington, d.c. >> as soon as bannon and priebus and a couple of these guys were gone. the leaks that were every day have basically evaporated. kennedy: was that all bannon?

>> he has a kind of fan as -- f fantastical idea of everything. he's definitely someone who used the media to hurt his enemies. he wasn't the only player but he was a major player in spread something of that discord. kennedy: the leaks we were documenting seemed to most of live have dried up. is that because of john kelly and because of that will he keep his job? it seems kelly has brought more order and, you know, discipline to the oval office. >> he definitely has. it's been his job, it's been his career. reince priebus wasn't in an enviable position. he was a technocrat leading the

rnc out of chaos. he wasn't a highly range mad reason corps general or businessman. kelly has shown a slight sign of weakness, all the ghouls spread to the press every day, kelly is about to be fired. i think the president has too much respect for kelly to do that. the professionals you see around the white house. donald trump was always kinds of a one-man show. he did the himself. as reince said, the rnc didn't do it for him. once he came into office he realized this is no longer a one-man show. i need some good people around me. that's one of the things that changed. and also the tax reform. they got a win under the belt.

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wonder, if this kid used a series of pipe bombs and hand grenade and killed three times as many people, what kind of a conversation would we be having? howie: you start out with the human reaction. shock, numbness, here we go again for journalists who have had to cover so many of these tragedies. but it gets into the political debates and then attacking president trump. kennedy: one of the go-to reactions. how do you think he handled the tragedy with the statement he made today at the white house. howie: i thought the president struck a good tone of sadness, sympathy, prayer and saying we need to do more to stop these tragedies from happening. it's fair to cite size that he

didn't say what he would do. but joe walsh calls the president a sociopath. there is that knee jerk reaction on the left. trump is blowing it, it's the republic caption' fault. kennedy: it's a boiler plate tragedy speech that you would see in tone on content from any other administration. that still does nothing to get to the heart of what is it inside certain people, particularly troubled youngs men, that allows them to dehumanize people so much that they want to take as many innocent lives at possible? howie: that's been a problem for outside of the country. i'm not saying we shouldn't talk about common sense gun

restrictions and mental health. maybe we need to talk about protecting schools. it's heart rending for us. kennedy: i am not going to say the kid's name. i think in naming someone you glorify them to the point that that's what encourages copy cats. but whatever that darkness is. we have to figure it out sooner. we have to spot it better as parents and family members and community members because proselytizing post tragedy, it does nothing. it really, really does nothing. and kim kardashian's comments were so thin. i understand a lot of this stuff is well-intentioned, but there is a disconnect between emotion and action. howie kurtz, thank you very

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hurt children. last night my middle schoolerred me about the shooting. we have to find a solution so this stops happening. kids don't deserve to live in fear. and innocent people shouldn't lose their lives when psycho paths find no more value in them. with the victims there are also survivors and their stories are critical to bring being those changes. the hardest discussion in schools should be about test scores and gossip, and not about life and death. i appreciate you sticking in on tough nights like this. on facebook it's kennedyfbn. you can email me at ken web.

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