saying what once was declared is unacceptable is now becoming irreversible. decision time is coming soon for trump. and i think to the extent that the north understands -- lou: we're out of time. thanks for being with us. kennedy: tonight, crazy new developments in the russia investigation, including calls for a second special counsel. kimberly gill foil is here. north korea reportedly offering to scrap their nuclear program. what do they want in return. and have you ever wondered what it's like to live in faith? i will ask ledge nair astronaut scott kelly. strap yourself in. it's time for liftoff. with robert mueller's net widening and his uncomfortable probing finnings needling the edges of trump confidants, it's starting to feel like his bottomless budget is taking the investigation too far. the cure for an aggressive special counsel hardly seems to be appointing another special

counsel. it's like curing your cold with the flu. congressional republicans like jim jordan and trey gowdy are leading the charge calling for another special counsel to pick up the slack where the clinton e e-mail probe ended and the trump-russia probe began. for defenders of the president it feels like this is a politicized hunt to console whimpering hillary fans. for liberty, it seems to be a gross misuse of force and money. if something can become a compromised tool for. politics so easily, why on earth would you want for it. again it's like going to fat camp at white castle. the conservative chorus claims the dprks oj and fbi can't investigate themselves and the doj inspector general is going to take too long to review too few people to do nothing. two things here. one, let the ig finish his job and then we can assess if the ag needs to pull the trigger on

another special counsel. and two, jeff sessions is obviously lost control of his department in the face of this president and he should resign since he's obviously incompetent and in way over his head. those are better places to start. starting a second round of a frustrating process that would obviously exist just to score political points. when truth and ju justice are compromised. we all lose. let's get into the show. i'm kennedy. kennedy: well, let's face it. a a lot of americans are tired of the current special counsel and what could we possibly gain from a sequel except for bills and fewer answers. joining me now, cohost of the five, kimberly gill foi foil whs also a prosecutor and worked for the lada. >> the los angeles district

attorney's office in san francisco. kennedy: let's talk about this. i understand there are people who feel like this whole thing is politicized, so unfair that they want to balance it out with a special counsel. what are your thoughts. >> it's kind of the idea and overall atmosphere in d.c. which is people say oh, the swamp, or that it's fraught with politics, partisan divide, ideology rules instead of common sense or putting the interest of the american people first. so the idea that you could get someone who is more 0 of a neul arbitrator to go over it and investigate it in a way where people might have more confidence in the outcome, not someone aligned with one side or the other. condoleezza rice made these comments when she was on "the view." at a certain point you have to let the american people move forward. we're fraught with all of these investigations and special interests and special counsel. yes, it's going to be expensive.

that's for sure. but if there's something in truth and justice to be had, there should be no price that you shouldn't pay for it. but if it's going all the way back, 2015, 2016, going over all of this and rehashing, relitigating all of those issues, okay, to what end. >> the problem is if you have a second special counsel, there's in guarantee this person is going to be objective. kennedy: right. >> there's no guarantee this person will stay in their lane with acceptable boundaries and go after truth and justice which are so desperately -- they need servicing right now. you could find a person who becomes politicized in the process. you could find someone who misses, yeah, you know, hillary isn't president, therefore we don't have to go after her and use what subjective logic they need in order to justify what they're doing. i think that, you know, the thing about the special counsel now, we don't know which direction it's going to go in. we're all trying to read the tea least and we're all trying to

understand what mueller is going for. and right now it's still a very big mystery. if he fails and there needs to be some change to the special counsel law, let him do it. i think adding another one on only compounds the problem. >> you know, there's a very substantial school of thought in people that feel exactly like you do, that it's going to exacerbate it. what are we really going to get in the end in terms of an outcome here. what are the true actual goals that people are trying to achieve here, the objectives. so you have to make sure that it isn't just okay this sounds like a good idea. let's do it. it's an nchtion about an investn investigation about an investigation. and it can spiral out of control. the partisan politic thing is what i think people are upset about. you see a lot of strife and divide and the rhetoric being used in the country from both sides. and this sort of feeds into that. well what is your side up to, it's worse than our side. i'm going to show you our memo, let me see yours.

that type of thing. kennedy: great illustration is the dueling memos instead of getting more transparency and seeing the raw data and the fisa warrant application which we should have seen in the first place. >> and i think we may want to get do the bottom of the mueller investigation first to see what the out yom is of that, otherwise it's a domino effect, then there's an investigation and there's so many different things going on. then this is happening at the expense of what, government, and getting things done. kennedy: exactly right. >> making sure that we're being smarter and doing more with less and making sure this is something that's serving the american people and isn't about putting egg on the face of the other side. kennedy: it's like i'm going to get my big brother so he can fight you eve every time you do something wrong to me on the kick ball court. >> sometimes that happens. i was the big sister to go over there for the little brother which he didn't think was so cool ke.

kennedy: hopefully we'll see a resolution. but you're right, governing my special counsel is no way to govern. kimberly, thank you so much. >> we concur. kennedy: very good. meanwhile the political world reeling over what may be the strangest chapter yet in this ongoing mueller investigation. former trump aid sam nunberg and his bizarre series of interviews. it began when he was asked with if he would cooperate with the investigation. >> i'm the first person to go out here and ai'm not cooperating. it's ridiculous what they want from me. it's really funny that they want to arrest me because i don't want to spend 80 hours going over e-mails. >> do you think they have something on the president? >> i think they may franted donald trump caused it because he's an idiot. they know something on him. and jake, i don't know what it is.

and perhaps i'm wrong. but he did something. >> talking to you. i have smelled alcohol on your breath. >> well i have not had a drink. >> you haven't had a drink? >> no. kennedy: not a drink for those of you keeping track. he dared mueller to arrest him, called the president an idiot, suggested donald trump did something wrong and denied being drunk. but now he says he will probably cooperate. so are these interviews proof that the investigation is getting a little too hot for some of those involved? let me 0 go to my fox panel tonight. jeff is the hosbroads cast leged he's signed up for the greg gutfeld show, kat is in the house. welcome everyone. >> i'm outnumbered. what happened? >> we need one more lady bird in order to be officially outnumbered. jessica, i'll start with you. i found this to be really sad. i felt like we were watching

someone's psychotic break in slow motion. and although there's an entertaining and dramatic side of politics and this could have serious repercussions certainly for sam nunberg, it was sad to me. >> it didn't start off sad. during the katy tur interview i was thinking twitter was boring today but this is fun. but by the time we got to erin burnett, i realized we were watching someone have a break on life television with such serious consequences. i showed up on msnbc and started ranting and then went over to cnn. this is someone who has the most serious man in washington, it seems, after him. and curious about those e-mails open everything he's doing, doing this live on television. it was incredibly sad. kennedy: if he ignores the subpoena, he could go to jail. and robert mueller just might try to prove a point with this one. >> yeah, yeah. i've had this conversation with

friends of mine at a bar after they break up with their girlfriend. and they're just like i hate her, whatever. kennedy: she's an idiot. >> obviously something was going on there. welcome. welcome to our world these days. we get entertainment from real life -- things that aren't supposed to be a reality show. kennedy: it's so much pressure for some of these people that we're seeing someone crack? >> i think so. unfortunately that's what everyone wants to see. i saw rosie o'donnell on twitter tweeting about it, he has a mental illness, leave him alone. if she's being sympathetic to him, it's amazing. kennedy: he was saying stuff, he was talking a lot of garbage about the president. is that problematic? does mueller look at this, take it seriously or is he like, oh, this guy is drunk. >> i don't know what you look and take seriously about any of it. and i think the most bizarre thing to me was that he didn't realize how bananas he was

acting. he even said, what am i, the first person to say i'm not going in. yeah. kennedy: steve bannon said he was going to stone wall congress, said he'll sing like a canary. >> i don't think you can take it seriously. and his excuse that it would take too much time was bananas. >> was it responsible for cnn and msnbc to put him on the air? >> did they know that's what was going on to happen? >> at first maybe not. but then. >> i don't have the preshow lineup for katy tur's hour, but i could see he's been a frequent guest. i'm sure he called up a producer and said i'm going to say these things. he wasn't at a studio. he called in for the first round of this. >> it was sad. >> he called msnbc. >> he showed up in person with erin burnett. >> he saw jake tapper. >> whoa!

expwhr anybody watch the bachelor yesterday? terrible great tv. >> very goods. despite the number disaster and the bachelor implications, the impending departure of the long time communications director and the fact that jared kushner lost his security clearance and robert mueller is examining trump's finances before the campaign, the president saying everything is going smoothly tweeting this morning, the new fake news narrative is that there's chaos in the white house. wrong. people will always come and go and i want strong dialogue before making a final decision. i still have some people that i want to change. always seeking perfection. there is no chaos, only great energy. so is the oval office imploding or is this really just fake news. >> i think it can be both. i think you can have total chaos. i think there are elements beyond the president's control but i also think people are foolish to count him out at this point. what do you think? >> he's such an anomaly to everything we've seen in the

past as far as presidents go or any politician, really. the out of control atmosphere that he surrounds himself with is par for the course. he loves that kind of thing. we've watched him do it years and years as a developer in new york. reality show tv. he's brought all of that to the highest office in the land. >> the left becomes gleeful at these moments but that's when he manages to rebounded. >> he sneaks tax reform or something in there while we're laughing. >> exactly. >> actually when i saw the tweet i thought it was more of his gridiron dinner joking because you know how he said everything is smooth and fun in the white house. i think chaos is a given there. i think there's a much, you know, lower bar for that and he has that threshold. i don't think it can be great energy and just positive. i know that he doesn't like to be confronted with negative things. maybe he just has three people who come and talk to him who are really smiling and general kelly pulls out all of his hair in another room. >> poor john kelly. we're going to talk to scott

kelly later. >> actually for him great energy means chaos. i think they're one in the same. that's why he loves it. that's why he had a tv where he had to fire someone literally every week. ' loves doing it. and i understand, there's not a lot of chaos in my own life right now and i've been getting a little bored. >> could you imagine him on a deserted island. >> no. who would he fire? kennedy: south korean officials say their neighbor to the north are willing to give up their nuclear program. i'll ask gor gordan chang if kim jong-un can ever be trusted. he's next. some advisers have hidden and layered fees.

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kennedy: major developments today in the nuclear standoff with north korea. the secretive regime now willing to discuss giving up its nukes if the safety of their country can be guaranteed. according to officials in south korea. now we have heard this talk so many times before out of the hermit kingdom and so has the president who tweeted, possible progress being made in talks with north korea for if first time in many years, a serious effort is being made by all parties concerned. the world is watching and waiting. maybe false hope but the u.s. is ready to go hard in either direction. analysts have pointed out that north korea has a long history of using negotiations to buy

time for their weapons program with the weight of crippling stankses on its back, could little kim finally be ready to make ooh deal? let me ask author of "nuclear showdown north korea takes on the world" gordan chang is here. welcome back. >> thank you so much. kennedy: let's talk about this a little bit. is this a positive sign? are the sanctions working or is north korea just buying time? what do you think? >> maybe all of the above. i do think the sanctions have been working. there's an net dote l evidence that shows that, for instance, officials no pyongyang are not getting their rations. there are reports that noark may run out of hard currency by october. there's a couple f other things going on as well. first of all, we didn't hear this from the north koreans. we heard it from the south koreans who have an incentive to not tell the truth about what's going on. the jokerrian presiden south kos

to change the dynamics. but i'm not sure he's telling the truth. there's a lot we have to find out whether we can know i if ths is a step in the right direction condition what does moo he get t of this? >> he looks at kim jong-un as the other korean leader. that's why he's trying to knit the two koreans together. this guy has elections coming up pretty soon. the north koreans may have been doing all of this and saying all of this, if indeed they did, north to affect what's going on in south korea. and this may have very lit toll do with the united states or nukes, it may have something to do with changing votes in the south. kennedy: it's very interesting because, you know, obviously everyone wants there to be peace on the korean peninsula. and everyone other than north korea wants them to give up

their nuclear program. it just seems like even in, you know, this protracted moment of desperation, that is the last thing that they want to do. when will we know that it is an honest outreach from the hermit kingdom? >> well, i think that when president trump said look, we're willing to go in either direction, you know, we're going to have very substantive discussions with south korea. also, you know, when we test them, because we will test the north koreans on this, if we get more of the usual, then we know that this really has been a big facade. so we're going to know within a month or so what's going on here. kennedy: we'll see and we'll keep tapping into your knowledge. thank you so much were gordan. >> thanks, kennedy. kennedy: coming up, president trump sticking to his push for tariffs on steel and aluminum despite heavy pushback from many

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war. he's still not backing down from his deal and an aluminum tariff proposal despite pushback from leaders and members of his own party. >> clearly there is overcapacity and dumping by some countries including china. we want to be more surgical tonight approach so we go after the true abusers without creating collateral damage. we made it clear last thing our country needs is steel tariffs. joining me now, former economic advisor to president obama, robert wolf. where do you stand on the

tariff? >> i don't think it's a good idea. i think a trade war is a crazy policy. this is one of the few times i agree with the speaker. kennedy: there are a lot of conservative economists who say the same thing. there is a problem with china dumping steel and we have to deal with that. imposing tariffs on all sorts of countries seems to be a bad idea for companies that export products with steel and aluminum in them. >> the four largest companies we import steel for are our allies. secondly about a third our economy is exports and imports which a dispores portion that amount is imports. having a trade war, you have to think hard who that gets passed

to. the consumer. kennedy: people are enjoying cheaper products. we are on the verge of an inflationary period and any trade war will jack up prices. art laffer says think is as a regressive tax. >> i read the laffer-steve moore-kudlow where they talk about it being a tax that will be passed to 73% of our population. i think steel workers obviously have had it incredibly difficult. there are 125,000 steel workers, there are 6 million workers who work with steel products. so you have to balance, who benefit and who doesn't benefit. i think paul ryan said it right, there is a tactical way to go about this.

to say we should do it with all countries, there is a' better approach. i am not not for tariffs. i was on the president's export counsel. having it across the board doesn't usually make sense. >> you have to be careful about picking winners and losers when you extract entire industries. thank you very much. the gun debate rains on. now it is going to court. a 20-year-old oregon man is suing dick's sporting goods and walmart for refusing to sell him a rifle. the new policy comes in the wake of last month's high school massacre in florida where a 19-year-old illegally purchased an ar-15 and used it to murder classmates teachers and a coach.

the panel is back, jeff qatar love, anthony cumia and kat timpf. age particularly here is very arbitrary. we still haven't settled on when adulthood starts. it's convenient for whoever is deciding whether you have to sign up for a potential draft and enjoy the armed for uses at 18 or renting a car at 25. do you think this person in oregon has a case? >> he might. because there is age diskrup nation laws in -- discrimination laws in many states. i think people think a lot the parkland survivors are getting shamed by people on the right. i don't think that's a good thupg. it's good to be interested in

things that matter. unstead of being criticized for being on facebook and twitter and una gram all day. kennedy: i don't think you could fault nun for their political leanings. by the many interesting seeing the corporat corporate knee jerk reaction. >> as far as young people voice their opinions, it's great. but it's corresponded so one-sided. this lawsuit us going to look like a bad thing. somehow in the media he'll be portrayed as a bad person where the people going for gun control are the good people. i think it's a constitutional issue. i think at 0 you have the right to bear arms. that's the second amendment. if somebody is denying you that right, i think there is a case there. kennedy: i don't have a problem

with corporations sell-imposing restrictions. but i do have a problem with federal regulations saying a 0-year-old cannot buy a firearm if an 18-year-old can enter the military. >> we can have a drinking conversation, too. conservative some people can't handle thing even if they are in their 40s. jessica: we were talking about this on "outnumbered." i think if anything this lawsuit is a good thing to hopefully spark some smart debate about it, not knee jerk reactions. i feel like parkland is a watershed moment. i thought las vegas would have been, but that was gone and

forgotten. kennedy: there is still so many information we don't have about the las vegas shooter. >> or what happened at mgm. it's still weird about the time delay and the camera. the guy opt elevator. you would think we would knowing considering how many people were hurt. kennedy: don't be surprised when people have emotional reactions to horrific situations like this. party panel, thank you very much. coming up, retired nasa astronaut, scott kelly, spent the equivalent of a year and a half in space in the name of science. he says most of people take science for granted and says that need to change if we are going to survive. that's next. to everyone else, i look like

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kennedy: science matters, according to a new study by 3m. people all over the world say they are intrigued by science but 38% say their lives would not be much difference if science didn't exist. my next guest knows first hand that is not true. scott kelly clocked 520 days in space during this career as a nasa astronaut. edhold the record for the

longest space flight by an america. he and his brother mark are the only identical twins who ever traveled to space and it will help us understand how our bodies change in space. astronaut scott kelly, welcome to the show. you and your brother are like a living einstein twin salt experience. >> twin paradox. we are the living embodiment of the twin paradox. kennedy: he was studied while he was oarnt and you were in space. you came back with interesting conditions like longer telemers. >> as we get older they get shorter.

that's one of the things we learned. in space my telemeres got in the direction of goodness. kennedy: space travel may be the key to unlocking longevity. >> maybe, and maybe not. but that's why it's important to investigate these lungs and find out things we didn't previously know. kennedy: in school, the big push in stem. maybe you and and i didn't have this as kids. we would stumble on to signs. but now this is a regular part of the curriculum. when will we see that manifest and change society with an entire generation of younger minds being steeped in science every day? >> it's critically important to our future. i was one of these kids who could not pay attention. i was a bad student. it wasn't nil was in college

doing poorly that i found inspiration. that's part of the study i'm associated 3m, the state of science survey to understand what are our issues with science. 38% of the people believe their lives would not be different if science didn't exist. we have everything we have because of science. kennedy: tempura-pedic mattresses. >> and velcro. kennedy: how do astronauts survive in a tiny little room for a long period of time? the science fiction you actually lived. >> we survive because of science. nasa inspires, i think, kids and people to learn science. this study is about trying to

identify the issues we have. 30 years from now, 2050, this planet will have 9 billion people on it. whether it's climate change, food or water shortages, energy, these are problems that will need scientists to solve them. kennedy: i have great faith in humanity and expanding minds. we are talking how this is a great time to be alive in terms of eradicating disease, increased i.q. i do think signs will find solutions for these things. but will we have flying cars and robot overlords in 30 years? >> i think any time is a good time to be alive. kennedy: considering the alternative, you are absolutely right. >> if we can dream that, we can do it. we have an incredible capability to do challenging things, to do the hardest things.

if we want flying cars, we can have flying cars. i think it's a matter of putting our minds behind it with the right group of people. kennedy: i know this administration talked about privatizing the international space station. those of us who lean towards liberty, we embrace the free mark it and how the private sector could expand our influence. is that a good or bad idea from your perspective? >> i don't exactly know what the administration means by privatizing the space station. part of it is already private. cargo. and to turn the whole space station over to a company and say you now own this $3 billion of overhead. kennedy: amazon prime.

>> we'll have amazon space pretty soon i'm sure. kennedy: when you are in the space station and look out and see earth, it's far away. what do you feel when you see from that perspective. >> like it's lonely out in space? no, it's not. kennedy: when you are by yourself and being scom contemplative, what does your primal brain tell you? >> a couple of things. privileged to have this experience to see the earth from space. the environment looks very fragile. our atmosphere looks like a thin film over the surface. something you feel like you should protect. and a sense of empathy for the people oarnt. we are all on this planet together. we have a lot of issues. and they need to be solved collaboratively. kennedy: your sister-in-law was

gunned down by a madman and she was lucky to escape with her life. >> that's their issue. but i would say what we are doing right now does not work. i think everyone can agree with that. we need to solve this problem. we need to solve it together with a consensus. kennedy: can science tackle the issue that we have with damaged human beings intertbaition guns? >> science probably can be part of the solution. technology, there are probably ways to implement technological solutions to some of the problems. this is a big issue. there are a lot of different opinions involved. but yes certainly signs can play a part. i don't know how big of a part, but it can play a part.

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kennedy: an ohio mansion that was belonged mike tyson is being converted into a church. come for the expert news analysis and stay for the ear biting jokes. this is the "topical storm." topic number one. we begin in california where a burger chain has a special message for politicians fighting to increase the minimum wage. flippy the robot has officially

started at cally burgers. he works the grill like a chapel and his developers vowed to keep upgrading his intelligence until he kills them. flippy comes with a $60,000 price tag. most of robots would rather work for hillary on twitter baits pays better. topic number two. bot, bots. the university of florida asked a dog to participate in their halftime show. meet the rope skiffing dog. look at him go. they have seen dozen of players skip classes butter in have seen

anyone skip rope. after scruffy's performance they attempted a similar trick with a rope-skipping cat. top you can number three. wind christmas started a marketing campaign in the 1980s called "where's the beef in" back then most of people thought only way to go viral was to shack up with madonna. that was the 80s. come on. the internet taught us otherwise. now mcdonald's taught us our burger battle is still in full effect. one day after wendy's started giving away free burgers on their app, mcdonald's

announced they are bringing fresh beef patties to 39 locations. it makes wonder what kind of beef they were serving before then. wendy's team has been known to burn more than french fries. it's unclear who will win the fast food fracas. flippy is laying off the burgers. he doesn't want to be the only robot wearing t-shirt at the pool this summer. let's head to chicago where three daycare workers were caught giving laced gummy bears to toddlers before nap time. they weren't laced with weed but it's pretty bad. if anyone knows about easing laced gummy bears, it's my staff.

who are also no strangers to nap time. these ladies used to work at the kitty junction daycare until they got caught giving melatonin laced gummies to the students. the women initially denied the charges, but the cops brought in a 2-year-old kid to interrogate them. why did you give us the pills. i didn't give the pill? >> why? >> because i would never do that because i want to keep my job why? >> to pay bills. >> why? okay, i did it. lock me up and get me out of here. >> why? attorney general jefferson

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mill have left one tribe with 25% unemployment. now the tribal council in warm springs has plans to build a indoor cannabis growery and bring in $1.5 million a year in'-needed revenue. council members propose using the money for education and healthcare. i love this free market embrace and i wish the warm springs venture capitalists all the success in their green rush. thank you so many for watching the show tonight. the best hour of your day. you can follow me on twitter and instagram, email

kennedyfbn@foxbusiness.com. go ahead and send your awning are you letters for thursday. tomorrow guy been on and mike baker on the show. packed-in cars everywhere, bumper to bumper. >> ...rows of classic rides. >> my jaw hit the ground. there was the rolls-royce, the bentley, pickup trucks, camaros. >> harvesting gems from junk. >> dad would take the car down to literally the bare bones and then restore them and make them these beautiful pieces of art. >> wow.sparks are flying. >> here's one of the starsw rig. >> his heirs hope to reap a fortune. >> yes! yes! yes! [ door creaks ] [ wind howls ] [ thunder rumbles ] [ bird caws ] ♪