nearly all of it within the state of georgia, your opponents can't say that, can they? >> well, no. we have two democrats battling right now as well. kennedy: tonight the president's threats against north korea finally working? who gets the credit? the media says the white house is collapsing in chaos, but there might and method to that madness. the fluen has supposedly peeked, but an expert claims and global catastrophe could kill millions and he's here to explain. did fire were fury and insults bring little rocketman to the bargaining table and are crippling sanctions work on north korea? the president took a lot of heat as he used his twitter stick too

beat some sense into pyongyang. if south korea can bring their petulant neighbor to the bargaining barn, you can credit that confusion. so what does north korea want? reuniting the koreas together is hard to do when you are concerned the u.s. will unleash holy hell and your people are so hungry they don't have the strength to raise their weapons in defense. the president has been using terror against him. strategic patience doesn't instill fear, it buys time so madmen can tinker with blue guns in garages. if there is a method to kim

jong-un's response because he's hungry and scared, it makes strategic patience look really dumb. north korea has lied its way through past negotiations and abandoned he scrap of goodwill thrown at them. let's get on with this. i'm kennedy. there is no doubt we need to take every north korean overture with a grain of salt. john bolton is back. there is obviously a method to it. the president took a lot of criticism when he was belittling

kim jong-un on twitter. was there a strategy behind it and is it working? >> clearly to the excellent is any possibility of a diplomatic solution with north korea, it increases in direct proportion to the credibility of the military threat. let's be clear. the evident they are making if it is one to get to the negotiating table has a different objective than the diplomatic effort that three previous administrations have out. our evident is to -- has sought. our effort is to get them to give up their weapons and their effort to is to cross finish line and hit targets in the united states. kennedy: you don't believe them when they i we are willing to talk about denuclearizing north korea. is south korea being naive when they say they believe north korea will ban its nuclear

program. >> here is an all-purpose insult. how do you know when the clear *ian regime is lying. answer, when their lips are moving. kennedy: you are right. so many times as you said through various administrations and multi party talks with promises of lifting sanctions and giving north korea heavy oil and food aid. they promised to be on their best behavior and quickly abandoned those promises. >> south korea paid for the cost of the north korea participating in olympics. that's another subsidy. you can bet that the athletes and those cheerleaders didn't get the benefits of those payment. they went to the north korean treasury at the same time the u.n. inspectors are reporting they are selling sir why elements for the manufacturing

of chemical weapons. that's the future right now. once north korea crosses that line the nuclear walmart in pyongyang will open. kennedy: what do you see as success? >> it could be the fall of the kim jong-un regime. the reunification of korea under effectively south korean rule. both sides of the 38th parallel want a reunited korea. but it makes a big difference whose system prevails. there is no one in south korea i know of who wants to live under kim jong-un's system. >> it beats leg in a prison camp. kennedy: it's remarkable. this a new set of sanctions imposed on north korea for the death much kim jong-un's half brother. that was for using vx gas.

how much of that gas do you think they have? >> i think they have large quantities of it. we believe they have had a chemical weapon's program for many years and they decided to get an upgrade which they are close to accomplishing. kennedy: how does this end? >> i think we are coming to a very bad conclusion where there are two extraordinarily unhappy choices. not that it's president trump's fault. he inherited 25 years of failure. the two choices both bad, you accept north korea or use military force to make sure they never get nuclear weapons. kennedy: a lot of people think it's a fool's earned give fool'n their past failure.

kennedy: what would have happened if hillary clinton had won. >> they would have nuclear weapons. many on the left side of the political spectrum say its unacceptable for iran or north korea to get nuclear weapons. they don't mean what they say. to me the word unacceptable means we'll not accept it. that's not what john kerry or barack obama or hillary clinton meant. kennedy: do people on that side believe sanctions will at some point work? >> only if they are delusional. susan rice, you have got to give her credit for being candid. she acknowledges 25 years of diplomacy and sanctions have failed. she thinks we can live with a north korea with nuclear weapons. kennedy: countries around the globe, mexico, china, brazil,

canada, they all said they are considering steps to retaliate against the president's taxes on steel andee aluminum -- and aluminum. among the industries, peanut butter, cranberries, orange juice and bourbon. that means people lose money and lose jobs. president trump: when we are behind on every single country, trade wars aren't so bad. you understand way mean by that? when we are down by $100 billion, the trade war hurts them, it doesn't hurt us. kennedy: steve mnuchin said the path is trying to make sure american businesses can compete around the world. house speaker paul ryan and

majority leader mitch mcconnell. let's go to our party panel. birthday buy guy benson is in the house, and dow jones news wire chief editor glenn hall is here. let's talk about tariffs. they are a horrible idea. i stand by that. i realize the president is very passionate about fair trade and a level playing field for american businesses. is it possible he's wrong? >> you know, i think what you are seeing is there are unevenness out there. what china requires of us in order to do business in china versus what we require of them. very, very different. they require all kind of things we would never put up with.

the president is drawing a line there. he's fake out an extreme position so he can negotiate back from that. that's been his m.o. since long before he gone it white house. but there is a lot at stake and some people would say upsetting your allies over something that's a small part of our gdp is not a good way to get them around with you when you are take on intellectual property rights against china. kennedy: absolutely right. there are trade deficits. but there are those who argue that's not the worst thing the world. the worst thing in the world is a recession and economic slowdown. the markets hate these tariffs. ben: because they are bad for the economy. this a weird dichotomy. the president gave a speech earlier today and what did he talk about for 20 minutes? how awesome the u.s. economy is,

businesses are coming back to america, hiring people, and he says we are getting crushinged internationally. we have to do what every other economist believes is a lose-lose. it doesn't make any sense. it will hurt people in industries related to steel. i think it's interest where he says we won't have a trade war, if we do we'll win it. already the retaliation focusing in on you are aboutbor you are . kennedy: it seems to be work. there are people who are all for the deregulation of so many industries and sectors in this country, and they don't like the tariffs. what can the president do? steve mnuchin says this is not a negotiating tactic. art laffer says the negotiations

have just begun. he's using this as a jumping off point. >> there is a broad consensus that tariffs are bad for our economy. nobody wins a trade war. we have the biggest economy and market in the world. if the nations are cut off from our markets it will hurt them more than it will hurt us. i think what we are hearing from other countries around the world are saber rattling. but the bigger and more important point' is tariffs are bad for the economy, they will kill jobs and raise consumer costs. kennedy: those are the easiest jobs to get rid of when you have an inflationary state because you are not importing cheap goods because you are slapping tariffs on them, people who don't have a lot of money end up paying moyer and suffering for it. of course, the biggest casualty

of the tariff battle, gary cohn. the former president of goldman sachs resigned reportedly over a disagreement with the president overall tariffs. insiders say cohn was integral to much of the president's economic success on everything from tax cuts to deregulation. with cohn gone, will the white house stay on right track? it would be too easy to hire another yes man on tariffs. gary cohn was right on taxes and deregulation. he was right on tariffs. somewhat we are seeing is the nationalist inside the white house gaining sway and the globalists outside the door. kennedy: rob porter was one of the globalists. >> that's right. the question is who does the president bring in to replace

the globalists. these are efforts on behalf of the president who followed through on almost all of his trade promises. kennedy: where do we go with cohn out there will be has been a decimation of the globalist wing. >> it's also the economically literal wing, the rationalist wing. i want to give him some credit. he has been right on the three biggest questions he faced in that role. and he made his case to the president persistently month after month. he was ignored. it was such a bad mistake in his view, rather than leak and back biting to the press. he said okay, the decision is made, i think it's catastrophic, i am out. that's the honorable thing to do. kennedy: he did fall on his sword but it leaves a hole in

the white house. you still need those philosophical economists in there. those who live and breathe language who understand the intricacies of a complex economy. >> i don't think trump will have a problem filming this slot. you know, there probably will be chaos, but in large part chaos is the end result of unforth dock thinking, draining the swamp and doing things differently. washington, d.c. could probably use more chaos. trump has brought that spirit to washington, d.c. why it's called chaos. kennedy: it's a double-edged sword. if this is swrog he proves his detract torehis -- prove his des wrong and it end up there is more growth and more jobs, i think that's great.

it's difficult to see in the foreseeable future. but if that does hatch, he should get credit for it. fan it doesn't happen web should take responsibility. >> what you see in the white house is he always has two sides arguing. he likes that chaos and he likes that conflict. it will be interesting to see if he maintains that balance and allows the decision making process was informed by both sides. >> i note party panel will turn in just a little bit. but we'll talk about this. could be applicant in the white house. a deeper dief dive into that ch. the president says brit. how exactly does it work? it's easy to think that all

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kennedy: the white house has garnered a reputation for infighting leaks and staff departures. the president says all that chaos is a good thing. >> i like conflict. i like having people with two different points of view and then i make a decision. i like watching it and i like seeing it.

i like different points of view. but we have tremendous energy and talent. kennedy: washington, lincoln and jfk were the most of famous but none of them were asked to function under a media hell bent on destroying them. joining me the editor-in-chief of the "daily caller" and the author of county art of the donald." chris bedford. chaos is great for the president. he loves it. it's tough for the people who are forced to live chaotically. >> he thrives on it. he always wants competition. he wants biggest and best. the tallest, shiniest building. even with his campaign staff and

private managers. he pitted them against each other and brought in people with different points of view. donald trump has never been a free trade guy. but he didn't want that opinion whispered in his ear. if you look at the campaign and you google trump campaign infighting you will find hundreds of thousands of articles by reporters saying it's a dumpster fire, people are getting fired, there is no way these guys will win. then they won. but now it's a different challenge with the 24-hour news cycle on the white house and not all of these people are loyal to him. kennedy: there is trouble with loyalty in the white house. and you have a precedence this administration. they were right about the

impending failure of this administration every chance they get. i understand he's a guy you can't count out. but there are different kinds of departures. obviously someone like steve bannon was so tainted not only by the book, but he overstayed his welcome and alienated so many people and orchestrated so many leaks and made so many enemies, then you had gary cohn are philosophical differences from the president. then there is someone like hope hicks. and we don't understand the nature of her departure. >> we have no idea what behind her departure. she is a young lady who was new to this political game. she went from working for donald trump in a private sense to the media political glare. and people are trying to paint

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[♪] kennedy: welcome back. russia meddled in our 2016 presidential election, that according to the president who finally admitted it yesterday after repeatedly rejecting claims of interference. what about the upcoming mid-terms. should we be worried? the president says no. >> are you worried about russia trying to meddle in the mid-term. president trump: no because we are counteract whatever they do. we have strong backup systems. we have been working hard on the '18 and '20 election. kennedy: the president said

paper ballots could combat the russians. what about the allegations we are melding in their election. mike baker is here in the house. let's talk about this. russia says we are meddling in their election which is kind of dangerous. if putin somehow loses he'll say the americans meddled, therefore i'm going to hold on to power. >> there is a large chance he might lose the next election. of course. so the meddling and they are going to say we have been meddling in their elections. you don't have to be a scholar in russian politics and government operations to understand they have been meddling in our elections for decade and decades. it's interesting president trump who has been on the edges

implying i can get behind the idea they did do some meddling. it came out when the swedish prime minister was there. but other people probably meddled too. and you know what? he's not incorrect in that. it's a statement of the obvious for president trump. but i suppose it now allows for everyone to move past that irritation with him and find something else to complain about. kennedy: let's talk about this you are takes and the consequence of meddling in future elections. we can't poll russian hackers to see how the pendulum will swing for the mid-terms. do we invest billions of dollars in cyber-security which is what some privacy experts want us to do? or do we go back to paper ballots which can't be hacked? >> it's shocking companies

dmeelg cyber-security should be promoting that. kennedy: should the systems be so outdated that anyone can permeate them and do us great harm? >> we do have to invest time, resources and effort to harden our systems. it's a bit like a black hole. the more money you put in there and try to harden that perimeter in cyberspace. you have other people on the other side whether it's a state sponsor or anarchists finding new ways with around these problems. but we do have to stay ahead of that fight. it's interesting. a lot of the media went apoplectic when the nsa director said i haven't been instructed to do anything regarding the russians. if you are responsible for sensitive cyber-security

operations against other nations, the first thing you should do is advise the media about all the things you are doing. let's step back and there is a lot off the radar screen. kennedy: we do have measures in place and they are sensitive and i can't talk about them with you. rather than i don't know, i haven't heard anything, bro. it's all about politics. >> my point being we are doing a great deal in this space. we have been counteracting and work and trying counteract russia, chinese, iranian and other efforts in cyberspace for years. and it's not as if we are not doing anything to pry to protect the upcoming elections or 200 or any time in the future. but it's an enormous battle. it's the next war front when we any about it. the theater of war will probably be fought out there in

cyberspace. kennedy: hackers will run the world, and when they do, hillary will finally be president. attorney general jeff sessions is upped the ante in the battle over sanctuary cities. earlier he spoke to state law enforcement officials in sacramento after announcing the doj is suing the golden state. he singled out oakland mayor, libby schaaf, for warning immigrants in advance. >> here is my message for libby schaaf. how dare you needlessly endanger the lives of our law enforcement officers to promote a radical open borders agenda. kennedy: governor brown swinging back. >> there is no doubt the police can do their job.

the federal government ought to do its job and not blame california for its own inability to solve the problem beth whether it's crime or immigration. that's the job for this attorney general. he shouldn't come out to a political show. kennedy: law enforcement is not a zero sum game. it's not us or them. it's pretty much everybody. the party panel is back. glenn, i will start with you. i don't like either side of this issue. i think the federal government needs to shoirp their immigration policy and it's irresponsible to say law enforcement can't talk to i.c.e. about people who committed felonies who were going to be released with no repercussion. >> the state of california is saying for the cooperation to take place the feds need to go through the work process. same thing with companies. shouldn't be cooperating unless they are subpoenaed.

the government is saying we have the right constitutionally to preempt state law. but this is a states rights question as well. and law enforcement in many levels is local. kennedy: i love federalism. i also think immigrants add a lot to local and state economics. and if you are going to have a sanctuary policy, you are going to make more money, therefore you don't need federal funding. is that fair? >> the same argument about states rights could be made. kennedy: you have ideologically different aims but the same precedent that the doj is using to sue the state. >> i appreciate your libertarian view on immigration, i'm more moderate on immigration than a lot of conservatives. but we are a sovereign country

and our laws have to be obeyed. kennedy: fix the laws. prohibition leads to illegal immigration. >> we need to prioritize illegal immigrants who come town this country and commit crimes. one of the laws being challenges by the trump administration protects those people. illegal immigrants who go to jail for other crimes. it makes it harder for the feds to collaborate with the local officials. to me they claim one thing then they pass laws that contradict that and they are indignant the trump administration is challenging them. on that law especially i think trump and sessions are right. kennedy: they have abandoned comn common sense and practicality. >> i wish jeff sessions had done

this a long time ago. california continues to release convicted felons on to u.s. soil. taxpayers fund welfare for illegal immigrants, food, medical, even cash assistance. kennedy: i don't have a problem ending the entitlement state. but immigrants also start businesses and work and commit crimes at lower rates than the native born population. i know people don't like that's statistic, but it's true. we need to have a serious conversation. if you are going to have a more some border you cannot have an open chest when it comes to the government. we'll see how this end up.

i don't think both side are as far apart as they game. thank you so much. glenn, guy benson. coming up. the cdc says the flu season has peaked. but dr. marc siegel will be here but dr. marc siegel will be here with the facts

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season may be over. but one expert warning the next one could kill up to 300 million people. according to the cdc this year's flu has been the worst in 14 years. but the chair of the global council warns a and dem you can is set to hit the world and could kill as many people as those in the united states. what are the chances of that happening? dr. marc siegel is the professor of medicine at nyu. is this just alarmism? are these people who are hyper focusing on what if and statistics trying to scare us for some reason? >> yes. dr. jonathon quick who is the head of the global health council is not totally off his

rocker hp. but he says it's it's still a killer. we had a and dem you can in 2009 and it was like the typical flu season. it's not going to wipe out the entire united states. that's scare tactics. kennedy: i don't know if it's something you take once and you are inoculated forever. >> it's going town clinical

trials. it attacks the molecule all flus have. because this it's likely it will be used to squash the flu two or three years from now. maybe you have to take it he 10 years where we won't see what we see now, hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations and millions of cases. kennedy: and hundreds of deaths. i also heard about nanotechnology that targets specific viruses. >> that's another way we can do this. we can engineer viruses to attack the flu. we can use things other than flu shots. we'll get away from this once a year guess game where we look at australia and see what the threw was doing there. and we miss. the flu virus is smarter than an egg. it changes in an egg. those days are almost behind us.

we'll have effective vaccines and more effective treatments. we have an anti-viral drug coming out next year. this guy is wrong. but those black and white foe toe --photos of 1918 are scary. kennedy: an australia couple was walking down the beach and they found a message from a ba bottle from 1886. from 1886. we'll tell you what nancy p

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kennedy: the national journal is reporting that jeb bush said donald trump makes me look pretty good. dial up that low energy because this is the "topical storm." topic number one. let's go. president trump once insinuated ted cruz's dad may have helped lee harvey oswald shoot president kennedy. but the cruz family is facing a new charge. noise pollution.

[♪] the cruz campaign released this statewide ad to mock his opponent. the problem is everybody in texas heard it. topic number two. an australian couple was strolling the beach when the wife reportedly found what turned out to be the world's oldest message in a bought. when she asked her husband to listen to message in a bottle he ran off thinking she was going to sing. historians believe the bought was dropped in 188 of as part of

an experiment to study ocean current. the gold has been loaned to the australia museum where it will sit next on ther artifacts. of course, this isn't the only beach discovery making head lines. in america a couple strolling around the water near chappaqua, new york, they found the soldest female in a bottle. hillary wants kidding when she said she took a bought of hot sauce everywhere she went. topic three. coca-cola launching its first diet product in japan. the drink is said to be a

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