which one doesn't smell. you can learn all kinds of stuff when you're doing the laundry. - guess what i learned today? - what? - you're awesome. - oh. ( laughs ) - thank you so much. - thank you. - thank you so much, martha. - thank you. harvey levin: the objects people choose to keep in their home define who they are. this is... - always. welcome to my home. - so good to seeing you. i'm harvey levin, this is the story of one of the most successful and recognizable stars on tv, with ratings that even top oprah. - are we understanding each other? - yes. - you're an idiot! - ( laughter ) judy: and a scammer. harvey: but life wasn't always easy. her career was put on ice, thanks to her husband. he always viewed my job as a hobby. harvey: divorce led to a judgeship, and that opened a golden door. on your best day, you're not as smart as i am on my worst day. ( audience laughing ) harvey: she's fierce, but... are you a feminist? i don't think so. i don't think so.

harvey: judge judy sheindlin, the most famous judge on the planet and definitely the richest. judy, it is so good seeing you. - oh. - always. - it's so good seeing you. - always. welcome to my home. harvey: thank you. your home by the way, beautiful. - judy: nice house. - harvey: let's start off. this is about the journey in your life that turned you into the... unstoppable force you are today. listen to me carefully, you lie to me, i'll wipe up the floor with you worse than anyone else that's ever tackled you. tell me what this is. judy: my mother and father had a great love affair. this is a picture when they were kids. but inside this picture, i opened it up, and i found love letters. this was written in 1940. he's writing her poetry. "i intend you to marry, and i will try not to tarry with inconsequential patter, meanwhile let's agree,

more of too others to see, and talk over the things that matter." harvey: so, how long were they married? judy: they were married for 48 years. they had a wonderful love story. they were a sexy couple. my mother played coy. she didn't answer a lot of his letters. so she knew he was wild about her. but their marriage was not without argument, but i think that if you have that... thing that you cant quantify, um, you get through those periods. harvey: your dad, tell me a little bit about him. i mean, he's a great writer, for sure. i want to hear the things that had an impact on you. judy: i found my junior high school - little books that everybody signs. - yeah, yearbooks. i found my father's page which i have inside-- ( chuckles ) even then he was funny, because he wrote in my yearbook. "i've signed a lot of these albums.

you should be something already. i should be calling you doctor or a lawyer or a teacher or a something." that's telling. that's telling. - no, can i tell you why i find it telling? - why? because there was a lot of pressure then for women to be a housewife. and he would say something like that, so he had aspirations way beyond that for you. i didn't think of that, but that's true. because i don't think in terms of sex when it comes to success. i think my father always, in his head, thought that i would be something different. but there was a lot of pressure in society for women to become housewives. my father taught me that sometimes you have to go against the grain. did it put pressure on you to feel like, "this is what i need to view myself as successful?" no. i knew that if i felt

that if i worked hard, i could have both. i could have a family and-- because that was important to me-- um, and i could have a career. i just felt it. there are other objects here that, um... these were his glasses, so for the first couple of years on the bench, i wore his glasses. until they were good enough for me to see... - ( laughter ) - ...anything. if i wanted to see and view anything, i had to go to these. i grew up in a family that you were supposed to do the right thing, and that has stayed with me. that kind of upbringing has to start with murray and ethel. did you have the kind of stupid fun that kids have? drinking, college, where you-- the answer is no. ( judy laughs ) i did not. i found all of that stuff not only disinteresting,

but really stupid. i just did. i didn't go to basketball games 'cause i hated the smell in the gym in high school. i joined a sorority for a very short period of time and the girls were just silly. the girls were all talking about "oh, i'm gonna get married when i'm 19. and we're going to go live in forrest hills." and i said, "that's not my life." i was anxious to get on with my life. harvey: you had boyfriends when you were growing up. i had a couple. what did you look for in a boyfriend? - oh! i got nothing good. - ( laughter ) actually, actually, nothing good. i remember having one very, very good-looking boyfriend who was dumb as a bucket of rocks. but i said, "when i walk around with him, everybody looked and said, "is he beautiful." and then we would go out and spend an evening together. there was nothing to talk about. so, that was a learning experience. but he looked good. you know, it's like getting meal that's served perfectly on the plate

and then you bite into it and you're, "oh, my god, this is awful." ( laughing ) judy: i wasn't the prettiest girl in the class, and i wasn't the smartest, so what i had to do was find something that i was really good at. i mean, i wasn't tall enough, i wasn't strong enough. i couldn't play sports, i hated swimming because i wouldn't put my face in the water. what was i going to do? and my father said to me, "you argue well. you should be a senator." and i figured out to be a senator, you should go to law school first, that sets you apart as a woman. that's how it started. this is my application for admission to the bar exam. - what year? - 1965. - you kept it? - as a matter of fact, i didn't keep this. my first husband kept it and gave it to me. harvey: you were the only woman in your law school class. in my first year at the washington college of law.

126 and i was the only woman. harvey: how'd they treat you? judy: fine. i never had an issue with gender. when you graduated law school, tell me about your first job. first job was with a cosmetics firm, casmara, incorporated. there were two lawyers hired. it's a man and a woman. he went into products liability and they gave me a long pad and they told me to call all these drugstores to take orders for soufrage which was their new product. - you were a telemarketer? - it was an unsatisfying job. why would they hire you as a lawyer and then do that? uh, i was cute, maybe they didn't take me seriously? we were paid the same thing. but they, i think, expected less from me. and i realized very quickly that the corporate world was not a world that i had an affinity for. and i didn't keep that job for very long. did you go to another job? i didn't. now that was a time in my life when i did what most young women did in those years,

if you didn't like your job or if you worked-- had a baby. and i stayed home with children for a few years and then finally, in 1972, went back to work. i want to back it up-- your first husband. what attracted you to him? nice guy. he's a good dancer. it was time for me to get married, you know? all my friends were getting married. it was-- there were still those pressures, harvey. even in those years. - yet earlier you said you didn't feel the... - well, i did... ...the need to become a housewife, to do the traditional thing. judy: i didn't but i wanted to have children. i knew i wanted to have children. i was never one of those women who said, you know, "i want a career, and i-- and i'm not really into having babies." did you want a husband? yes. oh, yes. then one didn't go without the other. you left your house either in a pine box or a white dress. those werehe only two ways you left your house. so, it was time for me to get married i was 20, almost 21,

it seemed like the right thing to do. i gotta stop you. you were such a strong person. you wanted to be a lawyer, and it's like, "i didn't like my first job so i'll have a baby." - it doesn't sound like you. - it doesn't sound-- well... but it was. you don't see a paradox there? i do, but it was time to have a baby. nobody had children after they were 30. because you were told you would have terrible deformed children if you were over 30. so i became a mom-- - twice. - but after a period of time, i was bored, i went back to school, i went for a master's at nyu in family law. you were more than bored. i was very bored. i was bored home. and we moved to the country which is uber bored. ( laughs ) i've read that you said you felt your brain was atrophying. that's true. i actually watched soap operas. i looked forward to them. what didn't work for you. staying home. not being engaged. not being engaged outside of the home.

it didn't work for me. but i'm not sorry i had those five or six years of staying home. i tried it and it didn't work for me. so what happened in that relationship? we grew differently, and my first husband is a lovely, lovely man... but he always viewed my job as a hobby, and there came a time when i resented that. i think, as most men, he didn't want his life interrupted. he didn't want anything that... interfered with the way he ran his life and his practice, and i said, "we both work, so we both have to share the responsibility." what was his reaction? your job is a hobby. did you have a sense of that before you got married? no, i think that there is a difference between men and women as a warrior and a nurturer.

i was more than happy, to make things run smoothly, to do the running back and forth to events and to making the lunches and to do all of those things. you would never do that today. you still do that today because that's the way... it's innate. - is it? - yes. it-- some women. i mean, some women are not nurturers at all. and i've met them, and i know who they are. she's a bad mother. she's so full of anger and hate in her heart, that it obscures her judgment as far as being a good mother. when you decided to divorce ron, you had two kids. - judy: yes. - harvey: scary? judy: very, it was scary. first of all, i was the first divorce in my family. interestingly, i had told my father that i wasn't happy and i wanted to divorce ron

and my father said to me, and he loved me more than anything in the world, he said to me, "two innocent people shouldn't suffer because of what two guilty people did." and i was hurt by that because i said "how could he even say that to me?" but eventually he came around. he saw how unhappy i was. and it was the right thing. because i moved to the city. within a relatively short time, i met jerry sheindlin. so, it was-- it was a frightening time, but a fun time. so, you're almost saying that people without kids should not be sitting, judging families with kids. - am i saying that? - a little bit. i would not disagree with you.

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you were a lawyer, you had options. why judge? i like to make decisions. and i practiced before family court judges, many of whom are morons. and destroyed more lives than they helped. half of them came back from lunch drunk, and they were ruling on the lives of people who couldn't take care of themselves, children who were unable to protect themselves. i took six tylenol a day when i sat in family court and i loved every minute of it. it was an exhilarating, exciting thing, to try to make a system that was broken work. harvey: it wasn't depressing? judy: frustrating, i wasn't depressed. it was a frustration that i felt which caused me to take the tylenol. that i couldn't figure out in a particular case how to fix it. do you feel like you made a difference with the people who came before you? some. yes. some. do you think you saved some people? some. yes.

justell me what you want. old reports or new reports, and i'll give you whatever you want. well, i believe that new reports should be ordered-- good. order new reports. - man: because i believe that there are many... - order new-- harvey: you were very different from most other judges when you sat. there were people who felt that you were kind of creating a legal system around your values. that's absolutely correct. i think once somebody said they were selling crack because they went in the wrong path after a family member died. he was convicted of selling a controlled substance. his lawyer said to me, he was having a very bad time because his grandmother died. and i remember it. i said, you know, i lost both my grandparents. i grieved, i cried, i remembered not eating for a couple of days, but my reaction to my grandparents' death, all four of them,

was not to go out and sell crack. ( chuckles ) was not. that's not a normal reaction. because if your reaction is to sell crack, you could just as easily say, "it would make me feel better if i shot that cab driver in the head. i refuse to allow you to... make an excuse of abusing children because you were drunk or because you were high. that's my business, and i will not allow that to be an excuse for irreverent behavior. is there a difference between men and women as lawyers, judges? judy: no, there are good ones and there are bad ones. you bring to the bench your life's experience. if you were a single woman without children and a judge, and we had many of those, you could only think about... what it would feel like if your husband left you for a younger woman

and then he brought her to pick up the kids saturday for visitation and she looked a lot better than you did and the kids called her mommy. - do you understand? - mm-hmm. or, mommy jeannie. ( laughs ) unless you lived that, or had kids and could have that-- you had no idea what-- so, you're almost saying that people without kids should not be sitting judging families with kids. - am i saying that? - harvey: a little bit. i would not disagree with you. harvey: you came from a very loving home, there are a lot of people who don't and a lot of people who see bad things growing up. when people duplicate, replicate, what they saw, what they know, do you have any sympathy for them? if it's bad? do i have sympathy for them? i have sympathy for them,

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this was a very, very exciting day. this is the day when i was given a star on the hollywood walk of fame. man: we proudly welcome, to the hollywood walk of fame, judge judy sheindlin, right there! ( applause and cheers ) judy: i think it was-- the show had been on the air for 10 years. i never thought the show would last for 10 years.

and here we are going into season 22. harvey: wow. judy: when i was told that this was going to happen, they said, "you have several choices, where you would like your star to be. and i said, i want to rest next to sidney poitier. - ( laughs ) - so i'm right next to sidney poitier. - harvey: good company. - judy: who's a friend. good company. did you have fantasies about this? i mean, i'm-- obviously, i have a connection to "people's court." i'm assuming you watched "people's court" from time to time, with judge wapner. i did. i remember it was the first glimpse that everybody had into a court room. tv announcer: what you are witnessing is real. "the people's court." what'd you think? i thought he was humorless, actually. but if you wear anything other than a wedding ring, or stud earrings to work and they're lost or stolen, that's just your tough luck. but it was fine. i never found him a particularly charismatic fellow, and i know he for sure wasn't crazy about me.

but i think he wanted to do the right thing. i think he was very interested in a just result all the time. you never thought, when you watched "the people's court" with wapner, "i could do that better," at some point? oh, i thought that every day, that i could do that better. - ( laughing ) - did you-- were you ever interested in it? i did, as a matter of fact. and i said, "you know what?" wapner is retiring, i probably could do that job. and i got the telephone number of the office. and i called and somebody answered the phone, and i said, "hi, my name is judge judy sheindlin and i'm a judge, i'm from new york. did you guys ever think of doing a distaff female 'people's court.'" and whoever was on the phone was a woman and she said to me, "lady, we're packing up, the show is over, good-bye." - and hung up the phone. - that really happened? that really happened. but everything turns out for a reason. judith sheindlin. judge judith sheindlin.

and if you find her a little bit shrill, a little bit testy, well, she'd be very pleased. one of my favorite things i've ever seen on "60 minutes" over the years was your profile. that had a huge impact into you going into television. judy: oh, sure. morley safer: to sheindlin, justice must not only be done and seen to be done, it must be seen to be done fast. could you please move on, miss allen? i have about 20 other cases to do today, counselor. from that "60 minutes" piece, a couple of years later two of the girls from "the people's court" called me in my chambers and said, "would you ever think of doing this?" and it was from that, came-- came the show. i went out to california and larry little said, "if you sign on the dotted line i'll make a pilot." and that was it. tv announcer: you are about to enter the court room of judge judith sheindlin.

the people are real, the cases are real, the rulings are final. this is "judge judy." it was a risk. it was a risk. i knew i would have to go back to work if it didn't work out. but they paid me enough the first year, which was a guarantee, so that i was making, in that first year, three times as much as i was making on the bench. and so i figured i had a three-year grace period-- - to make it work. - to make it work. to-- you know, to then go back and find a job and find something else. fortunately, it worked out just fine. the producers who work for me are hard-working, wonderful people. many have been with the program for over 20 years. our supervising producer started with us. now, going into it's 22nd season, other than at holiday parties, i don't have a conversation with them. hm. ever. and i don't want to speak to a producer. because you want it to be fresh on the bench.

because it's gotta be fresh on the bench and it has to be my sense of justice. because if american public was interested in what a producer thought about this case, they would give the producer a black dress and they could go out and judge. so i want a complaint and an answer just as a judge gets and then go out and figure it out myself. you talked about your style. you have-- you are a very opinionated judge. shh. listen to me. i'm older, smarter, if you live to be 120, you're not gonna be as smart as i am in one finger. do you understand? you got to go see a good therapist, madam. you need a good therapist. is he still your boyfriend? no. shh. thank god for small favors. there's a difference, harvey, between saying to someone, "you're conduct is disgusting" and saying to them, "you're disgusting." but i try not to be gratuitously nasty.

just for the sake of being gratuitously nasty because that's what some of the public likes to see. ( chuckles ) i don't. they don't keep me in this job, mr. sarros, because i'm young and lithe and beautiful. - ( laughter ) - they keep me in this job because i'm smart. i don't get into a back-story. that's "dr. phil." we don't do "dr. phil" here. but the personality of judy is the same on the bench? - yes, you don't-- - entertainment. yes. otherwise it would be work. i'm not gonna like to work. this isn't work. this last 22 years has been one grand party. so you divorced him and then you remarried him? and i really found out, and this is not to denigrate your species, actually, most men are alike. ( chuckles ) mine had hair.

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we spoke a little while ago. i said, "we had a blended family." they started, i think, when jerry and i got together adam was five or six. these are the five kids all grown up. - that's gregory. - harvey: huh. judy: who's married and has two little kids. and that's jonathan and that's the baby, that's nicole, that's jaime, she's sort of in the middle. and that's adam. we have 13 grandchildren, from 3 to 29. when you left to go on your own after the divorce, how quickly did you get involved with jerry? i would say not more than a month. now, i wouldn't say to you i was looking to date before i left,

a little insurance isn't bad either. um, i like to be mated. um... it's natural for me to be mated. harvey: you've never really been on your own. judy: no, no. i like to have somebody to fuss over. i do. you've got this strong independent woman on one side and a woman who says, "i wanna be mated. - i wanna fuss over somebody" on the other-- - judy: that's fine. that means that i can relate to people. how quickly did you marry him? you met him a month after you left-- judy: oh, my god, i would have married him two days after i met him, i was so crazy about him. but we didn't marry for a year. we fight and we argue and we have terrific fights, but there's that something that you can't quite put your finger on, you know, that when he behaves himself i still like to see him walk in a room, he still looks good, jerry's gonna be 84 at his next birthday,

he know that he's got to keep a reasonable physique - or else he's out the door. - ( laughs ) so there was a rough patch here, when you and jerry divorced. jerry was always very involved in jerry and his-- jerry and jerry, and jerry and his kids, and i always knew that the one person who i could totally rely on all the time and who had my back all the time and i was number one priority, especially after my mother passed away was my father. and when my father passed away, i said, "i really wanted him to pick up the slack." i-- you know, take care of us and the five kids, and made sure everybody got their birthday present and made sure we had the appropriate parties and made, you know-- he sort of took care of things. and i said, "okay, now it's your turn." i felt that he really wasn't there, then. wasn't there enough and i felt badly. i was so sad when my father died

that an easier emotion for me to deal with was being angry at my husband for not picking up the slack than dealing with the sadness of the loss, i just had to come to terms with the fact that men... of that generation are different. they expect, even if they have no right, they expect to be taken care of or catered to. - so you divorced him. - judy: mm-hmm. - and then you remarried him. - i did. i missed him. i missed him. i did a little dating during that time. i'm absolutely positive he did too. and i really found out-- and this is not to denigrate your species. actually, most men are alike. ( chuckles ) - mine had hair. - ( laughs ) they're not natural nurturers. you have an incredible soft spot for your children.

i do, i adore them. uh, and i try to make their lives as comfortable as i can because i adore them. most people, what they leave behind, their footprint is their children and their children and their grandchildren. and we have nice, responsible, uh good citizen children who all do their thing responsibly. we're very lucky and they're very loving to both of us. to both jerry and myself. all of them are very loving to both of us. that's your footprint. you a feminist? i don't think so. i don't think so. i don't know what that means.

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this boy that my mother brought back from europe on their first trip to europe. and she fell in love with him. it must have been 45 or 50 years ago. and she carried him back on her lap. there's somehow a connection

to what's important to a lady, what's important to a woman. my mother wanted to bring back something that she knew would be a treasure for her her whole life. your mom didn't really work outside the home. judy: no, she ran the home and she ran the dental practice. she ran the financial part of the dental practice. harvey: but what you knew was a woman who was, you know-- her life revolved around the family. you had other goals and dreams to become a professional, to do this on your own. judy: you may, in your soul, say, "you know what? what i want to do is have a family and nurture that family and become a part of the pta and take the kids on their field trips. that's really what i love to do." and that's great. but you always should have a way, that you like, of supporting yourself. because if you don't have a way of supporting yourself

in something that gives you pleasure, you can be bullied and you can be victimized. and the women that i know that are the most unhappy are those women who said, "oh, gee, the measure of my success is marrying a rich guy who can take care of me. and then, well, time goes by, they get older you could be married 50 years and your schmuck of a husband decides he's now in love with a yoga instructor, right? and all of a sudden you find yourself out on your keyster. you have to have something of your own. you have talked a lot about beauty fading a lot in your life. and that the important thing is what you got up here. beauty fades, dumb is forever. but you care about beauty. my father used to say, "if you have the choice of looking good and feeling good, choose looking good." because if you have a healthy ego,

and you don't look good, you won't feel good. jerry sheindlin and i have been together 40 years, 41 or 42 years together. together married, 40. and he's never seen me without my hair combed or lipstick. - ( laughs ) - ever? i like to look reasonable all the time? were you part of the women's lib movement? i was not. i really never felt professionally threatened because of my gender. i didn't. and i didn't feel as if i was a woman lawyer or a woman judge, i was a judge and i was a lawyer. i was never a member of the women's bar association. i was never a member of the women's judges association. i was a judge. i was a member of the bar. it... i never felt as if i got where i got because of a group.

do you think that you might have gotten along with male colleagues better because you found yourself indistinguishable from them? absolutely, and i told a better dirty joke. ( laughs ) you a feminist? i don't think so. i don't think so. i don't know you what that means. i actually don't know what that means. do i want equal pay with men? absolutely not! ( laughs ) a verdict for "judge judy"... a contract for daytime's most popular tv personality, judge judy sheindlin has been extended for three years. the deal would keep her court in session through 2020. tv guide reports that her current salary is $47,000,000 a year. ( scoffs ) i don't feel as if anything that happened to me in my life was sidetracked because i was a woman. there are people who say,

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first of all, my friend jerry.

- yes, good to see you my friend. - we have history. - jerry: yes we do. - harvey: we have "people's court" history. um, this is spectacular, by the way. your own movie theater in one of your many homes. judy: this is a nice theater. one of the things that you asked me was, "how do you know when you've made it?" these shoes are robert clergerie shoes and they were $300. could never afford them as a civil servant. once a year, they would have a sale. every couple of years i would go and see if i could get a pair of black ones on sale but the black ones were never on sale. it was always the blue ones. my first year on doing the show, we were travelling down on robertson and there was a robert clergerie store and i went in and of course the navy ones were on sale and the brown ones were on sale. and the black ones were over on that side. a new fall line there, not on sale. and i said, "i'll take them in black." and that was the moment. judy: that was the moment that i knew,

that i had transitioned from, "okay, that part of you life is over, you can now have black shoes." but i keep them just to remind myself. so you guys were more than prepared to retire on judges income. - retirement. - and social security. what would that have been? - oh, not very much. - it would've been fine. - it would have been fine. - how much? probably about $100,000 a year. between the both of us. judy: and we would have had a great little two bedroom apartment a couple of blocks off the beach in fort lauderdale and probably would have been able to take a vacation a year. harvey: you go from living on judges' salaries to this... an unbelievable house, and this is one of five, i believe. how do you adjust? because this didn't just happen gradually, this happened very quickly. we were cooked. we were cooked. what does that mean? it means that we were matured and grown and all of this stuff

fell into a certain place. so you are not overwhelmed by this. when you come into it at 52 and 61, you're not gonna get crazy. it's one of the reasons the young kids in hollywood today go crazy because they start getting money when they're 18. is money no longer a factor? money is no longer a factor. it's nice not to have that as a stressor. and so if you could remove that, it gives everybody a certain amount of freedom to spread their wings and do what is that creatively makes them happy. so, you're a successful television producer. ooh! yes! next adventure. harvey: you've got "hot bench." you've got "eye witness." next question, the space saver model dog wore what color bandana? - ( buzzer sounds ) - host: eddie. - yellow. - yellow. all right, you seem confident. - are you? - no. - ( laughter ) - all right, i admire your honesty. was it a yellow bandana? yes it was.

is that your bucket list? i don't play golf. i don't play tennis. i don't have any other passions. i don't play mah-jong, i don't know how play bridge. so there isn't anything that i love to do. i like to work and i like the adventure of working. and i'm sort of getting the hang of-- little bit of the hang of the business of it. um, and i like the creative part of it. and as long as you're doing it and not banking on it, you know, to put bread on the table, it's really sort of a lark. harvey: there are people who are billionaires who want to be bigger, they want more billions. do you laugh at that, or do you understand that? judy: there is a certain saturation point, where you're not worried about money. there are people who say, "wow they have a lot of money. i'm gonna target them, i'm gonna charge them more than i would charge somebody else. i'm gonna get over on them." do people dare try to get over on you? you know, i wouldn't say that that's a good idea.

- because, i come from brooklyn. - ( laughs ) and i'm-- and i was cooked when i came into this. and nobody likes to think that somebody else is playing them for a fool. don't treat me like an idiot. because by your trying to cheat me, you're saying to me, "you're a fool." and i don't suffer that well. what's the one luxury that still excites you? the one thing is not really wanting... anything material... and lusting after anything. harvey: this house is spectacular. judy: it's just an investment. a great investment is good real estate, location, location, location, and you can get to enjoy it. and if we're not enjoying it, one of the kids is enjoying it. that makes it sound very utilitarian.

you guys have an amazing life. you have a private jet. you've got five houses, you've got a condo and a boat. that all sounds terrible. you have a dream life. - it is. - it doesn't sound terrible at all. no, it's a dream-- this was a wonderful fantasy for me. and for jerry and for our family. judy, thank you so much. thank you, this was fun. this was such a great time. - thank you so much. - this was fun. - jerry. - harvey, pleasure to see you, my friend. - great seeing you again. - good seeing you. - bear the boxer was his friend. - wow. i'd worked out in grosinger's hotel. jerry: oh, that's sorry. ( laughs ) just a second. we hear you! we hear you. well, i'm trying to get on television. i know, but we hear you. ( laughing ) i-- is there something sort of off? you're in the shot over there. this is my attempt.

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