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i was named after the queen as we are less than 14 hours away from the royal wedding. [closing bell rings] the dow may eke out a gain about six points on friday. another record close for the russell 2000. i know david asman will like that one. >> we'll let him know. hey, as man. we talk a lot about it this hour. kind of a whimper if you look at markets. melissa: no there is a lot of concern about trade. nasdaq and s&p ending in the red. russell pulling in. i'm connell mcshane for aforementioned david asman. melissa: i'm melissa francis.
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this is "after the bell." we're following the tragedy in texas, new details on the identity of the 17-year-old gunman who opened fire at texas high school near houston, killing 10 people, wounding 10 others. the suspect is in custody. there are two other persons interest. multiple explosive devices found near the school and pipe bombs. new york stock exchange honoring the victims this afternoon with this display of texas flag. we're monning to the situation closely. throughout the hour we'll bring you the latest as we get those details. breaking news right now, chief nursing, patient care services officers, giving us an update on the situation. let's listen in. >> that is being addressed in the o.r. >> are his injuries life-threatening? >> the situation is still fluid. so the update is he suffered a
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gunshot wound to the elbow. so the bone and blood vessel on this side where he suffered a significant injury. the physicians, our surgeons have already done the repair of the blood vessel and the blood flow is doing very well. currently we're working on fixing the injury to the elbow and his vital signs are stable, you know, as critical care physician, you want to see all things are working well and he is making urine. i was talking to david earlier. those are good signs at this point. he still remains in the o.r. we're expecting they will be able to complete the work on the injury to his bone in the next couple hours. >> how long is the surgical process for you? >> he went into the o.r. about 9:20 or so and is still there. i haven't calculated the hours but, delicate work when you're working vascular structures,
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repairing bone structure. it has taken that amount of time to take care of that. >> can you talk about the amount of care the woman in her mid 50s is receiving? >> women in her mid 50s had fracture of leg bone. they have already completed the repair. she should come out of owe a shortly. >> pediatric patient? >> pediatric patient had minute ma'am injury to the muscle of the leg and is stable. >> when you said she had a fractured leg bone, that was from -- >> the gun shot wound. >> upper leg or lower leg? >> upper leg. >> and on mr. barnes, is there any sense how much blood he had actually lost, how much -- >> no, we don't have that information at present. >> the pediatric minimal injuries to the muscle, does that mean it was more like a graze or did a bullet actually -- >> i haven't confirmed that yet.
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>> you were talking about the 15-year-old male, treated and released at clearlake facility but was he struck as well but it was superficial wound? >> i understand he did not have a gunshot wound but somehow injured in the incident. he was treated and released. >> that was an update. that was update from the hospital on the santa fe shooting earlier today, updating one of the people was shot in the elbow but is now in stable condition. another one has been released. there is a female patient as well. we'll stay on top of that. connell: 10 injuries, 10 killed as well. more on that, we're covering as we always do here the market as they close for the day and week. the dow managed to end this positive territory. nicole petallides always on it,
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joins us from the floor of the new york stock exchange. >> hi, connell and melissa. you can thank names such as boeing, caterpillar, united. those helped lead the way. s&p 500, the nasdaq finished to the downside but russell is the star as you mentioned earlier. another record for small caps. in fact a third record in a row. it has been five of the last six trading weeks. dow and s&p are down three of the last four weeks. as we take a look at those, we're looking at markets for this week. you can see, major averages were down half of 1%. we have so much weighing big picture. you have rising bond yields. as we look at the bond yields we got up to the highest levels since 2011. it had been 3.1 and change. as that ran up, that also pressures markets but also concerns about everything, china, the trade talks, that certainly was front and center. nafta, north korea. that weighed on banks.
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we saw jpmorgan, morgan stanley, all of those to the downside today. you can see citigroup down 2.2%. those financials so many people at home have, some way, somehow in their portfolios did come under pressure today. there was the story of campbell's soup. s&p 500 component, down 12%. it was a drag, not only in the on the s&p 500 but also on food stocks overall. came out with numbers. earnings forecast was weak. ceo abruptly stepped down. they're doing strategic, obviously looking at the company. we'll learn more in august. general mills and the heinz, and the rest. thank you. connell: follow up on what nicole reported there, president trump talked about the strong economy, suggesting that the stock market is being held back in his view by one thing, listen. >> the economy is doing fantastically well, even better than you think in the stock market. the stock market is only being held back a little bit for one
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reason, up almost 40% since election day. but they're waiting to see the trade deals. i can tell you, they will be great trade deals. they will be great for our country. connell: that brings us to our market panel today. jason rotman, lido isle advisors and fox business necessary work's, susan li. great to see you both. jason, trade deals plural president talks about with nafta and china. we'll talk about nafta in a few minutes. but on the china deal, tough to see what might come out of this especially in the nearter, right? something that will be hanging over the markets for quite a while you think? >> i do, i do. i think the key word this year which is the result numerous inputs, trade deal uncertainty, hawkish fed, stock market near all-time highs, lumber prices going through the roof, the key word is innation. and i think that -- inflation. this trade deal uncertainty,
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commodity super cycle everybody is talking about is actually real, inflation will be real and that is actually -- i disagree with trump, inflation is one thing holding back the market. connell: kind of a bigger, overarching topic that works them all in. that is considering. >> correct. connell: susan, pick up on that a little bit. to jason's point the other thing, that speaks to inflation and a lot make a big deal about yields going up. as a matter of fact we talk about all the time. 3% plus in the 10-year, in the stock market, despite some predictions we would see a huge selloff we haven't seen that yet. it has been an interesting week. >> it is very interesting week. we've come off very strong earnings quarter. more than 90% of companies have beaten. best profit growth in seven years. best earnings season in 20 years. i think yields are holding investors back. this is a year where we've gotten tax relief and tax cuts but still, i mean if you look where s&p is trading, where the dow is trading. we've gone sideways. that is against a backdrop of higher yields.
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borrowing rates going up faster than we expect? we're pretty late in expansionary cycle. we're past 10 years of 2018. people are trying to time their exit at some point. when do the good times end. connell: that's true. melissa: deal or no deal. how close do we see a deal on nafta? depends who you ask. canadian prime minister justin trudeau sat the down with susan yesterday. here is what he had to say. >> it comes down to the last conversation. as we know those last conversations in any deal are extremely important, so i'm feeling positive about this but it won't be done until it's done and people are working very, very hard on it right now. melissa: but u.s. trade representative robert lighthizer issuing a statement last night that nafta countries are nowhere near close to a deal. there are still gaping differences on many issues. susan, what do you make of that disparity? >> well, that's interesting because our conversation yesterday with the prime minister of canada, justin
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trudeau, i think prompted that statement from lighthizer and the trade reps office saying we're nowhere close even though trudeau said we're close to a deal. there is one on the table at this point. the trudeau said difference was sunset clause, renegotiating of a deal every five years. also the arbitration system. so i thought and i got the sense, maybe the rules of origin, how much north american parts go into each car in order for them to be tax-free, i thought that was solved. not the case if you read the statement from lighthizer last night. autos are still in play. we have differences in intellectual property and agriculture. kevin brady, as you noted today, melissa, kevin brady coming out with a statement, house ways and means committee chair. this is for all three countries involved. whether this year or 2019. melissa: jason what is your take on that? what do you read between the lines of all those different crosscurrents? >> we know who, we know who has
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the upper hand honestly, and that is our administration. you see how trudeau is almost begging for the deal to be closed here, but trump's people are saying wait a minute. like the walkway close you and i talked about in other circumstances. it is kind of concerning that the u.s. is saying whether it is kind of a sales ploy or not, that we're very far away from a deal closing. you know, that is kind of concerning. i do believe we'll see it through. not like nafta will disintegrate. but, it is not going to happen tomorrow either. so i think the market from a stock market standpoint has no real reason to make a rush for all-time highs yet. melissa: okay. thanks, guys. connell: let's get to the white house and the day there. of course the president responded to the tragedy in texas that left at least 10 dead we talked about a few minutes ago with this gunman opening fire at a high school in santa fe, texas. blake burman is live at the white house for with us the latest from there. blake. reporter: this is something very clearly, the shooting in texas
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president trump has been monitoring today especially early this morning. the white house said that the president spoke with texas governor greg abbott earlier today. here was a very somber president trump this morning. >> we grieve for the terrible loss of life and send our support and love to every one affected by this absolutely horrific attack to the students, families, teachers and personnel at santa fe high. we're with you in this tragic hour and we will be with you forever. my administration is determined to do everything in our power to protect our students. reporter: president made remarks at white house, at an event on prison reform. during it at one point seemingly out of nowhere president trump looked at acting va secretary robert will key, announced this surprise right here. >> acting secretary wilke, who
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has by the way done an incredible job at the v. a, i will be informing him in a little while, he doesn't know that yet, we'll be putting his name up for nomination to be secretary of veterans administration. reporter: can you imagine that, wilkie sitting in from the time row, oh by the way, you're the new nominee to run the va. we're looking into president's preparations if he ends up sitting down winter view with bob mueller. rudy giuliani plans on setting this up like debate prep during the campaign. he might bring in chris christie to help on out. giuliani telling fox, mueller, the special counsel is quote, acting in good faith. at this point according to giuliani 49 questions initially put out, are down to roughly 20. connell. connell: covering a lot of
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ground as always, blake burman on the north lawn. melissa: hitting amazon where it hurts. new reports that president trump is pushing the post office to double shipping rates on amazon and others, a move that could cost these companies billions of dollars. connell: talks between china and u.s., they have been largely held in secret. white house economic advisor larry kudlow speaking with fox business a short time ago where things might stand right now. he seems optimistic. the question is, should he be? to talk about it steve forbes, austin ghouls bee coming up with their perspectives. melissa: texas governor greg abbott calling this morning a es shooting at santa fe high school the worst ever to hit a community. a 17-year-old opened up at a high school, killing 10. what we know about the shooting and suspect in custody. >> my friend got shot in the art
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hall. as soon as alarms ran off, everybody was running outside. everybody looks and you hear boom, boom. i ran as fast as i could.
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gunman who has now been identified as 17-year-old dimitrios pagourtzis. that they found journals on his cell phones and computers where he talked about carrying out this shooting and that he planned on taking his own life when it was all said and done. but as we know two school resource officers were at santa fe high school this morning and they intervened, credited with saving a whole lot of lives. eyewitnesses say fire alarm went off, sparking more confusion. not sure if the shooter activated that to get people out of the classrooms and out of the building or if someone pulled it to alert emergency and get people out quickly. but police do have that 17-year-old in custody. investigators say that he had two weapons with him a, a shotgun and a revolver and that they both belonged to his father. they were acquired legally and
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it was likely that his father did not know that he had taken those guns and so right now he is being questioned along with two other persons of interest to see if he acted alone or had help as a perimeter, a rather large one, melissa, has been set up around santa fe high school, as bomb detection dogs and teams continue sweeping the area, making sure it's all clear. back to you. melissa: casey, thank you. connell: so there was a strategy session held today on north korea. they had a big meeting at the white house with officials getting set for the summit. if it happens between president trump and kim jong-un. we'll tell you what we know about the meeting coming up. >> republican midterm strategy where mitch mcconnell says the election could be challenging for the gop. ♪so
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melissa: plan of action. secretary of state mike pompeo meeting with u.n. ambassador nikki haley and national security advisor john bolton as potential summit with north korea rapidly approaches. here at state department is rich edson. reporter: good afternoon, melissa, secretary pompeo begins the meeting in ten minutes here at the state department. state department officials continue to plan for a meeting summit with president trump and kim jong-un in singapore. of the president trump has gotten no indication with the north korean government in direct questions they plan on scrapping this summit. however kim jong-un according to north korean media threatened to walk away from the summit because of comments national security advisor john bolton made. this is all because of the way that the u.s. and north korea trying to figure out how north korea is going to surrender its nuclear weapons program, what it would receive in return and when it would receive it. the national security advisor
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mentioned the libya model and that referred to a 2003 disarming by then libya leader muammar qaddafi when he surrendered his nuclear weapons. eight years later gadhafi was assassinated and killed. the president had to clarify the strategy is entirely different from the libya model. if north korea scraps program, the u.s. would verify i and allow private capital in and that would improve north korea's economy. other officials are looking for a large up front concession from the north koreans. pompeo has traveled to pongyang twice. once as cia director and as secretary of state. state department officials say north korea and u.s. staff will likely meet in person to continue planning details of this summit. next week the south korean president moon jae-in will arrive in washington, d.c., continue coordination between the united states and south korea on this upcoming summit. the south korean government offered to mediate between the
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north koreans and the united states although there is a bit of tension now again between the south koreans and north koreans over these on going military exercises with the north koreans refer to the south korean government as, as ignorant and incompetent after these military exercises. so a lot's happened this week as what was going quite well rhetorically at least between the countries and now a few speed bumps ahead of the june 12th meeting if it happens on june 12th. melissa. melissa: we'll see. rich edson, thank you so much. connell: let's get reaction, analysis. gordon chang, author of among other books, nuclear showdown, north korea takes on the world. rich broke the down nicely. what do you think is it going on here? >> essentially the north koreans don't want to give up their nukes of course. they mentioned john bolton in those statements that is not really the reason. bolton gave libya model comments at end of april on sunday talk show. last week the north koreans
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released three americans. so you know ifer upset at bolton they would not have let those guys go. i think they're really concerned about what happened during the meetings when pompeo was in north korea, talked to kim jong-un, asked the north koreans to give up four or five weapons as a show of sincerity. and north koreans said of course no. now, it is up to the united states to impose those costs not only on north korea but on russia and china to force them to do what they don't want to do. connell: speaking of china, the brought it up yesterday, interesting dynamic with the trade talks going on in washington right now, wrapped a few weeks ago in beijing, north korean leader kim jong-un, met with xi xinping, president of china, as president trump said that seemed to surprise lot of people. what did xi xinping play in this? >> that we have your back. sanctions busting to much greater degree than in the past.
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later this week, gas price, diesel prices in the northern part of north korea dropped dramatically first couple weeks this month. that can only happen if china is pumping a lot more oil to the north koreans. that is on the back of a lot of other instances we see where china busting sanctions. north koreans are saying we don't want to give up our nukes and the chinese will not force us to do it. we have to go after beijing to make sure china goes after north korea to pressure the north. connell: what does the u.s. need to assure that meeting summit takes place in june 12th in singapore? what has to be in place first. >> all we have to do is wait because the north koreans need to talk to us so much more than we need to talk to them. they did need sanctions relief. they don't want bolton to recommend the president we strike their nuclear and missile facilities. so the north koreans will meet. it might not be june 12th but it will occur. connell: if things are like they are now, would it be better off from president trump's point of view i don't want to do this,
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let's take a second? >> if i were trump to say kim jong-un, do you want to meet or don't you want to meet, yes or no. connell: put him on the spot. thanks, gordon. melissa. melissa: breaking news. we have a live look at the white house where the flag is flying half-staff. president trump ordering all flags on government buildings and u.s. embassies to be flown at half-staff to honor victims in today's shooting in texas. connell: more to come on that of course. another look meantime where the markets ended the day. the dow flat. s&p and nasdaq a little bit lower for today. we've been focusing a lot lately on the russell, russell 2000. yet another record high. three sessions in a row the russell hit a record, although smaller stocks seem to be insoup lated a little bit from the trade talks. russell ending more than a percent higher for the week as well. melissa: china economic leaders meeting in washington for round two of trade talks but will our top traders have good news to
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bring to the president? that's next. connell: the president making a bold move that could end up costing amazon billions of dollars, ultimately impact you, the consumer. we'll have more with steve forbes and austan goolsbee with the fallout after the break. ♪
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sitting down with top chinese officials. did so today after doing the same yesterday. seems like something of a tension convention but who knows. tough to get information out of this room or rooms. edward lawrence is outside the treasury department. what can you tell us about today, edward? reporter: connell, the chinese delegation is back at their hotel at the moment. presidential economic advisor larry kudlow believes that the chinese are here ready to make a deal of the chinese delegation told me they're optimistic about these meetings. going forward they will have to see whether they believe that both sides can work out a deal but i will tell you, it looks like the chinese came prepared to negotiate. >> vice premier he gave a presentation to small group of us in the oval. he outlined a whole list of remedies for the trade deficit issue. president trump was engaged. i've been down here couple
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months but i've worked with him for years. he is more optimistic than i have ever seen. i think this is good thing. reporter: some democrats laid out remedies as he said. democrats in this area or democrats in washington, d.c., that the president needs to stay tough on this. senator chuck schumer tweeting out to the president, don't be played, don't let xi play you. trading short-term purchases of american goods and giving up on china's theft of american intellectual property is the art of the bad deal. now the point was echoed by kudlow saying that is part of the president's mandate to them. >> technology is the center of the american economy. more so than any other country and especially more so in china. our innovations, our new products, are based and inventing and applying technology. so we can not let foreign powers be in a position to essentially steal the strongest and most important part of our economy.
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>> the feeling is these two days of talk are part of a second round. connell: could be many of a baseball game, second of nine innings. melissa. melissa: here to react, steeves forbes, forbes media chairman. austan goolsbee, former advisor under president trump, economics professor university of chicago. steve, i will start with you. is there any way we will not come out of this with a better deal than we did before. >> both side don't want to trade war. both sides don't want to lose. even if china would be hurt. not good economically or good politically. they will come up with something, absolutely. >> austan, having larry kudlow in the room, for as long as i have known him, he said a tariff is a tax. he hates tariffs. he will do everything he can to
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try to have that not happen. that has to do with making a deal, no? >> i hope so. larry is old friend of mine. melissa: of course. >> though we're on opposite sides of some issues. he is a free trader. from the reports, some of the president's most bomb-throwing protectionist isolationist wing have not been allowed into the negotiation. so i think that is a good sign. melissa: i can't imagine who you're talking about there, austan. >> here is the thing that confuses me though. if president trump had started and said, all of this is my strategy to get china to protect intellectual property, he could have gotten our allies on board. we're simultaneously starting low-grade trade wars with europe, canada, with mexico, with japan, with brazil. i don't understand why we're doing that we should get everybody on the same page to
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help us deal with china. melissa: that is really poor negotiating when you reveal what you're tactic is and what you're up to in order to the larger world. steve forbes, that is like saying, the other side has to believe you're willing to follow through with whatever the threat is or they won't take it seriously. he couldn't brad what that was really all about. >> in a poker game you don't show your hand, period. the fact they took him seriously him willing to impose tariffs unilaterally i think helped make possible an agreement i think will come in the next few weeks. in terms of the uniting with our european allies i think now they will be in a mood to work with us on some of these issues whereas before they might have been kind of reluctant. melissa: austan, let you go first on the next one. moving on to another important story here. president trump personally pushed the postmaster general to double the rate it charges amazon and other companies to ship packages. this is according to "the washington post." of course "the washington post" we all know is owned by
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jeff bezos who is the ceo of amazon. so there is that little crosscurrent there. austan, i can't tell how i feel about this story. as a taxpayer i don't want to subsidize amazon. as a lover and buyer of everything -- >> i can't tell you how you feel about this? melissa: i'm saying i could see both sides. as lover of amazon i don't want to pay more for my products. what do you think? >> i think, a, as the postmaster evidently told the president, the post office needs more demand, not less demand. amazon is not costing the taxpayers, it is helping the post office not go out of business. even steve, steve and i disagree on many things but we will agree i hope that if the president of the united states is calling the head of the post office and asking him to raise the prices on a specific company that he is mad at, that is kind of a borderline terrifying prospect. melissa: to be fair, if the story is true, he said a bunch of companies. what he is suggesting, steve, that the market clearing price for product they're get something actually higher than
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what it is that they're paying. they're getting a good deal, but still would make sense for them if the price was higher but they're getting a huge par gain as it is. if they race the price to amazon, it is same thing raising price to consumer who is buying the amazon stuff. that is what i was saying to austan more in a joking way. >> the fact of the matter the post office in terms of immediate cash flow does well with these packages. if they raise the price too much, amazon and others will find alternative ways to deliver packages especially in the day of technology making it so easy, drones being able to drop the stuff. post office is declining business. this is volume that helps keep them at least the lights on. melissa: austan, it does highlight the fact that the post office, this is always been their issue, that they have some really great services that people want, like this service is from amazon. then they have a bunch of stuff that loses money. they have legacy costs they can't get rid of. it could be a really profitable business if it were run better.
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>> well, when you say run better -- melissa: more profitably. >> your description that is exactly right, but, run better would involve cutting off grandma, who lives in alaska or in some rural area and making a letter to grandma cost eight bucks. melissa: or their pension costs. i mean it has to do -- >> that is the problem. melissa: well i mean, a lot of cities and states and governments have made promises they can't keep with their pensions. so is it worth running the post office out of business? no well, look, in this case if, a, if the president's out and angry at some company and asking that they raise the prices, that is a terrifying precedent. but separate from that, if you look at the post office, what they're getting from amazon is helping them cover their past costs. so, i don't see that it, this in any way would be helpful for dealing with those, with those past costs. i just don't see it.
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melissa: unless they could charge a little more and cover more costs. we have no know what they are really paying for that what the cost of delivering for amazon is, what they're charging them, could they charge more. guys, thank you so much. austan, steve. >> thank you. connell: back to the top story of the day. this awful massacre in texas. a teenage gunman opening fire in a classroom. at least 10 dead. the latest on investigation and what authorities know about the suspect is coming up next. by steam. by horse. by iron horse. over the years, we built on that trust. we always found the way. until... we lost it. but that isn't where the story ends... it's where it starts again. with a complete recommitment to you. fixing what went wrong. making things right. and ending product sales goals for branch bankers.
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connell: to breaking news. we have another update on this shooting in texas that we've been covering throughout the hour and throughout the day. kristina partsinevelos is in the newsroom. what can you tell us? >> we know that the shooter has now officially been booked in jail. he is charged with capital murder as well as aggravated assault against an officer. there are one or two other people being questioned at moment. according to the governor of texas there has been no red flags with this particular shooter on social media. you can check his facebook page. there was a photo of a t-shirt
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said born to kill and a trench coat that had nazi symbols on the back. several people at school they saw him wear the trench coat. it is very warm in sante fe. he was wearing the trench coat. it is said to be thought how he was able to conceal the weapon. he had two weapons on him. that is a eight -- a 3revolver as well as shotgun. both guns were not owned by him. they were taken from his father. his father owned the guns. not known whether his father knew he would steal the guns. right now the fbi and the police are searching the area for any explosives that may be put around the cool. they found some in the school. they found a trailer where some explosives they believe were made. they found a pressure cooker. they said they have not gone into the suspect's car because they're worried about explosive within the car. they're still searching around for that. we do know, coming from the
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governor of texas, he kept a journal. in that journal he said he was going to go through with this mass shooting but then when he was in school, after he had killed 10 people because we do know there are 10 people have died, that he didn't have the courage to kill himself. that was his intention. he didn't have the courage to commit suicide but he did kill nine students and one teacher. let's listen to the governor of texas, what he has to say about this school shooting. >> we come together today as we deal with one of the most heinous attacks that we've ever seen in the history of texas schools. it is impossible to describe the magnitude of the evil of someone who would attack in the children in a school. reporter: the governor also said next week they will be holding roundtables to discuss how they can improve the safety of children within these schools, and improve the laws within texas. he is invited all stakeholders to join in with those roundtables this school shooting
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comes three months after parkland, florida, where we have been following that story. you think it maybe has to do with lack of armed forces or officers, there was armed officers at the school. one was shot. you have security dills have been put in place. some students said actually a few months ago they did have a security drill at this school. there is conflicting news whether that actually did happen, or it had to do with gun-shooting drills but overall, they're aware. they even walked out to support the parkland shootings. these are students -- one student actually told local houston news, she was asked whether she was surprised about the school shooting, she responded by think i it would happen eventually. it has been happening everywhere. one of the latest headlines in the "washington post" actually says that in 2018, it has been deadlier for schoolchildren than servicemembers. they're taking stats from number of school shootings in the united states as well as stats from the department of defense. so overall we know that there
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are 10 injured still. 10 injured. 10 who have died because of a school shooting in sante fe. connell: that is sad with the girl saying she wasn't surprised by this. thanks. melissa: fighting to maintain the majority. a new warning for the gop not to act complacent ahead of the midterms. ♪ then, use the ultimate power handshake, the upper hander with a double palm grab. who has the upper hand now? start winning today. book now at lq.com.
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melissa: both chambers in play. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell telling "the washington post" the midterms will be quote, a very challenging election for republicans. here is gianno caldwell. fox news political analyst. do you think he is right about that? >> i think that every first midterm is challenging for the party in power. i think republicans should always be cautiously optimistic. if we look at just averages, on
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average the president's party, that is in power almost always loses an average of about 25 seats. if you want to go back to 2010 where president obama was obviously in power, thanks to the tea party, a number of other factors, obamacare, a lot of other things people didn't like, democrats lost a whopping 63 seats. so with that being the case, i do believe there should be some cautious optimism coming from republicans. i know poll numbers in terms of the generic ballot is changing consistently. melissa: poll numbers, or conventional wisdom we threw all of that out from the last election. it is up for grabs. there was narrative that the democrats would give the republicans a shellacking. now they sound like they have gotten more cautious too. it has sunk in maybe that everybody knows they don't know what is going to happen. >> to your point, there is two different elements at play there. one they don't have a message.
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of course you can't win without a message outside of i hate trump. that is not going to work. the second thing when it came to polling in the 2016 election because it wasn't effective, they only voted people in the last election cycles i believe. a lot of people that voted for president trump hadn't voted at all or in many, many years. this is once in lifetime candidate. this message spoke to the common man. that is why the polling was off. this time around i think it will be a whole lot more effective and telling with some new polling models built by fox news in fact. i think we'll have a little more accuracy when it comes to polling this time around. melissa: you talk about having a message on either side. is it enough for republicans to have the same message as the president. or can they, that is not quite the same thing as trying to ride on his coattails but is that enough? or do they have to stand out on their own and for democrats, you've seen on is of them sort of almost embrace trump in some
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places, will that work for them? >> yeah. actually for some democrats has worked. those that know president trump won in their state big they have definitely said they were trump democrats or they believed in his messaging or they wanted to work with him and obviously paid off for some democrats. when it comes to members of congresspeople do view members of congress and the president from different lenses. some people see president trump as party of trump, not necessarily idealogically in line with republicans like paul ryan. so they may think of things differently. i think when it comes to house republicans yes, you need to talk about your accomplishments. we did pass tax reform. we almost, almost eliminated obamacare. there has been a number of good things done by the gop. but when it comes to bringing folks out to the polls, that is the consideration, given people reason to go out vote, this impeachment message may be helpful because people do believe and i actually believe
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that the democrats do take control of the house they will try their best to impeach president trump. so as long as president trump, he has been ringing the bell on that message, so long as that continues to happen may give people incentive. melissa: both side may use that message. we'll see which one it works better for. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. connell: book to texas here. just keeps happening, this we keep talking about, seven school shootings this year, 10 dead, gunman opening fire in a classroom 30 miles southeast of houston. the vice president speaking in indiana paying tribute it victims. we'll have that for you coming up next. ...
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and my doctor and i choose to treat my mbc with verzenio. be relentless. ask your doctor about everyday verzenio. melissa: ten people are dead after a gunman opened fire at a texas high school. vice president pence speaking about the shooting moments ago. >> we will not rest. we will not relent until we end this evil in our time and make our schools safe again.
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connell: what can you say really the idea that there's been seven of these this year, i think that girl said somehow they're not surprised. melissa: that does it for us. the evening edit starts right now. >> and my friend got shot in the art hall and as soon as the alarms went off everybody just started running outside and the next thing you know, everybody looks and you hear boom, boom, boom, and i just ran as fast as i could to the nearest place i could hide and i call up my mom. liz: ten dead ten injured in a high school shooting in santa fe , texas the suspect 17 year old dimitrios pagourtzis is now in custody, explosives found both on and off campus we'll bring in the very latest and an airliner carrying more than 100 people crashed shortly after takeoff, from cuba's main airport cuban media reporting three survivors we'll stay on that story for you

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