fuel efficiency standards, changing them and lowering them from the obama years. stuart: maybe they'll will be it. sofar no formal announcement for american auto workers. we're off 141 points. my time is up. neil, sir, it is yours. neil: what happens if the whatever the chinese do for everybody, they lower tariffs, taxes for everybody, is that exclusive advantage for us? stuart: i don't think, if you lower the tariff on imported cars, that is not a great advantage for america because gm makes its cars in china. good for the germans. it is good more mercedes and porsche, who suffer. your makers. neil: my makers. stuart: you drive a bentley, i'm sorry. you have been looking at bentley bentaga, i know you have, neil. neil: do you know what you're driving from the back seat. great seeing you. i love these little moments we get together. to stuart's point, we're waiting

to fine details are on that. on this whole auto thing, whatever china does for us presumably it is doing for the world so there is this back and forth. does that favor mercedes as much as it does ford? lexus as much as it does, you know, chevrolet, gm? you get the drill here. so that is what we're following very, very closely here. what is good for one could be good for all. that means americans will have a level playing field to compete, but competing many more in china. we're focusing on that. we're watching the president leaving soon for this immigration summit in new york. looking at ms-13, how to rein that in. there is blake burman following it all at the white house. hey, blake. reporter: neil, president trump will soon be headed your way up to new york to focus on ms-13 at a immigration roundtable. speaking there tackling that problem but this morning it was very clear what the president was focusing on as well. that is the stories that are going around the fbi might have

had an informant communicate with the trump campaign during the summer of 2016 and lead-up to the election. earlier this week the former director of national intelligence james clapper appeared on "the view." he agreed with one of the hosts who said that the president should be happy with all of this. this morning president trump, in a series of tweets responded to clapper by writing at one point, quote, no james clapper, i am not happy. spying on a campaign would be illegal and a scandal to boot. another tweet the president also referred to this as quote, the criminal deep state saying at one point, quote, what goes around comes around. taking notice with all of this, the former fbi director james comey, as he sent out a tweet that seemingly was a direct response to the president's tweets either today, his comments in the past few days or all of it, with comey writing, quote, facts matter. the fbi's use of confidential human sources, the actual term, is tightly regulated and

essential to protecting the country. attacks on the fbi and lying about its work will do lasting damage to our country. how will republicans explain this to their grandchildren? one republican is david bossie. he was the deputy campaign manager down the stretch of the trump campaign. and he responded to comey this way. listen. >> james comey is going to have to explain to his grandchildren what he allowed the fbi to do. it is outrageous. every american should be disturbed by this news. it is, it is something that we have never heard of before, let alone the thought of. reporter: tomorrow over at the department of justice there is a meeting between devin nunez, trey gowdy, chris wray, and dan coats as it relates to the informant and documentation that nunez and gowdy have been pushing for. pelosi and chuck schumer have

pushed for the expansion of meeting "gang of eight," most influential lawmakers up on capitol hill. we'll see if the meeting opens up. it is set to take place tomorrow. the president tweeting about this and former fbi director responding to some of it. neil. neil: thank you, my friend, very, very much. blake burman at the white house. he is the best. love watching him at the press conference too. i don't love watching this. if you're long the market you don't like what you're seeing now, the dow is dropping on a couple of developments. target missing numbers in the latest report. that is one thing. anything hints of a retail slowdown or you slowing down if you're going to the stores or not as many of you, or maybe not buying as much, then you have got these china trade worries that stuart was touching on in the last hour and three hours really. the notion whatever china does it is really doing for the world, which is fine. but then we continue to having to compete with the germans and all these others. i think we can but it is that fear right now, and fear of a

possible slowdown here. i think this is way overdone, that is sort of worrying these guys. in the meantime, this is interesting. we talked to former campaign advisor michael caputo on "your world" yesterday. he said something interesting about the prospect of another individual in the trump campaign, a spy, whatever you want to say. when it branched in to reaction he got from investigators on this, take a listen. >> i gave this information to the house intelligence committee. i gave this information to the senatenal against committee two weeks ago, and i gave this information to the mueller team an they never reached out to the intermediary to check on it. neil: wait a minute, you raised issue, just to be clear, you raised this issue with mueller's team when they were questioning you. and they did nothing? >> they weren't even interested.

they didn't even seem to be taking notes. i offered them the timeline. neil: what did you think of that? you're talking about the possibility of someone from the outside trying to penetrate the trump presidential campaign, they weren't remotely interested? did they follow up on it. even question you more about it? >> no, they didn't and they didn't call the intermediary who is willing to go on the record about it. neil: i have the "washington examiner"'s byron york to talk about this. byron, that was more revealing to me than the notion there could have been more than one individual snooping around the trump campaign, at least when it came to mueller's folks, according to caputo, sort of no big reaction, no big deal. what did you think of this? >> well i think the more important thing to listen to there, he said he approached the house intelligence committee and they weren't interested. so i don't know exactly what transpired between the two of them but the reason we're learning all of this stuff, the reason there is a meeting

tomorrow, the reason we found out about the dossier, so much more, because the house intelligence committee, republicans on the house intelligence committee have been very aggressive in pursuing this. if -- neil: they were not aggressive pursuing originally the email part of this and this dropped into their lap. but if mueller wasn't or his people were not, you know, over the top curious about it, it could be they already knew about it or could be they didn't think it was a big deal, what do you think? >> but the house has also been pursuing the dossier. neil: fair enough. >> the fisa abuse and also the reason there is a meeting tomorrow about this informant is because of the house intelligence committee. i would caution viewers just a little bit saying that, if the house intelligence committee looked at this, was not interested, perhaps they thought maybe it wasn't really a big deal. neil: or it, were they not paying attention? >> could happen, sure. neil: you know more about this

than i will ever be, if someone blurted out, there were operatives, we're not calling them spies, enmeshed into the campaign, curious to check out this russian connection, none of that apparently was bounced off the trump campaign or the leaders of the campaign. i wonder why? >> well you know, i would add one more thing that really was quite fascinating in what caputo told you, which was, at this time in 2015 and 2016, hillary clinton's deleted emails, the 30,000 e-mails, that she deleted and then they used bleachbit and then they used hammers to destroy the devices. neil: right. >> those deleted emails were kind of like a holy grail for opposition researchers and a lot of people in the trump campaign believed, like the rest of us do, that on the internet nothing ever totally goes away. they thought they were out there somewhere. so the idea that someone would

have approached somebody connected with the campaign with a tip about these emails or something about that is entirely plausible because there were people looking for them, because, remember, hillary clinton deleted these on her own authority, nobody ever saw whether they were work-related or not. neil: could we have a case of multiple investigations simultaneously, well past the release of the mueller report? let's say september, that nobody says that is locked in stone but we'll have all these others going maybe concurrently or maybe well afterwards? >> oh, absolutely. we're still waiting for the release of the inspector general report looking into the hillary clinton email investigation which closed, you know, around election day in 2016. so, my feeling is, we're knocking about new inspector general investigations, into the trump russia investigation.

we're going to see those long after this thing settled. neil: you're the best. byron york, "washington examiner," chief political correspondent. he of course is contributor to us. we appreciate that. charlie gasparino and others say what it comes to white-collar crime in north america this stuff is not unusual. it is kind of unusual in the political front. it is very unusual when it is slap dab in the middle of a presidential campaign. it is all more unusual that if you take michael caputo at his word, this was developing prior to the fall. this could have all started in the spring of the same campaign year. presidentials who -- historian doug wead on all of that. not only the issue of multiple spies trying to get information within the trump campaign but fact mueller himself from what we're told was kind of nonchalant about it? that is my characterization of

caputo's characterization, but what do you think? >> i think this is a staggering moment in history. i think this is the biggest event since the 2016 election. and i say that advisedly and here's why. either the president knew about it in some way, i'm not saying that could be proved -- neil: talking about president obama? >> president obama. neil: okay. >> i've been an advisor to two presidents. he would have a measure of deniability, we would often say don't tell the president, don't be seen telling the president. so i doubt if it could be proved like a good corporate leader, a good mafia chieftan will roll his eyes or moan or hum or not even say anything. neil: right. >> that is the key. so either he knew, or, the only other choice, is that the fbi went rogue and that's been our fear since the founding of our government is that the military or some part of the government would go rogue. in this case, the police agency

like frankenstein's monster breaking its bonds and roaming the countryside unsubmitted to civilian authority, that was the nightmare under j. edgar hoover. one of those two things had to have happened. neil: all right, let's slip it around. a number of democrats are saying, telling me on couple of my shows this idea what would have prompted that action on the part of intelligence officials, let's say the fbi? they got their hands on something that seemed to indicate it warranted such a move and to get checked off and approved to do that. if that were the case, then they're arguing they were justified in doing what they did, but since we don't know what they had to justify this, this goes back to the whole steele memo thing that leaves a lot of folks confused. was this all just built on a political ven -- vendetta.

>> look this never happened before in history. i'm the guy always on tv making fun of people that say never. neil: never happened before, are we sure of that or is this the first time it came to light? charlie gasparino and i talked about this the other day, certainly seen cases in corporate america. it is quite frequent. >> yes. neil: but has it ever that we knew of in campaigns, the likes of detail which we never found out and might down the road, decade later, but, so maybe this isn't so weird? >> well we don't know about it. now i can tell you stories. neil: i've been a part of 10 presidential campaigns. i ran infiltrators of an opposition campaign, and my candidate became president of the united states. that was done politically and as onerous that may be that is true it is common in business and it's common in politics. what is not common is that an agency of government would be used to do the spying. that is not even watergate.

watergate were politicians, the committee to reelect the president, who committed the crime, and it was covered up with the use of government that went all the way to the white house but the government didn't commission the crimes, which is what we're looking at right now. this is stunning in my opinion and there is only two explanations. either president obama knew and gave some kind of approval or he didn't know and the fbi has gone rogue, has decided to -- approve one political party over another for whatever can rereasons there may be. neil: does it to reach the president's level? >> yes, that normally is the case. picture for a moment you're andy mccabe. your wife got $700,000 from the clinton machine. you're investigating hillary clinton. there are emails out there you will give her a pass, let her go. you haven't even interviewed her next. if an operation like this is underway, wouldn't you want to

be covered? absolutely. and someone as experienced at andy mccabe would not move forward in the fbi would not move forward unless there was some assurance from the attorney general -- neil: i saw the godfather and "godfather" ii and iii. a lot of times the big boss didn't know. just saying. doug, always good having you. so much we don't know, this much we do, the uncertainty, collective ickiness about all this, trade deal looks dicey, on top of north korea talks might not happen, on top of target missing estimates here, add it all up and stocks are down. as i emphasize here, this is one day, one moment. if you seized on yesterday as snapshot in time you got it right. we were up and today we're down. right now on the year we're flat. more after this. ♪

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the national anthem rather than kneeling outside. each team can make its decision based on this. teams would not have the ability to force players to the take the field for the anthem, but that doesn't mean they could force the position that if they kneel, during the anthem, out on the field, that that would mete out some punishment. that is up to the individual team. this is the middle ground the nfl thinks will work with players who opt not to want to stand during the national anthem. wait in the locker room until the anthem is over, run outside. we'll see how that goes. looks like a recipe for still more controversy but we'll see. in the meantime we have lot of worries on the corner of wall and broad, over trade, over exactly where this expanding investigation is going regarding bob mueller and russian collusion thing, possible spies and in the trump presidential campaign, maybe multiple spies. that, former south carolina senator jim demint on how all of this is distracting essentially

away from what has been a pretty progressive agenda for republicans, i don't mean progressive in terms of the liberal sense but getting things done. senator, always good to have you. what do you make of this? >> what, the distractions? neil: yeah. >> trump uses the distractions to his advantage a lot. he has gotten a lot done particularly on the regulatory front that the other side doesn't seem to notice as much when they're worried about russia collusion. but the president does a good job of putting pressure on other countries like china by negotiating partly through the media. and by doing that, he sends up trial balloons. he gets congress engaged. he gets the media engaged. it gives him more leverage. frankly even though it seems like chaos in the media, the president is actually doing a really good job putting pressure on countries like china who have been cheating us for years. neil: what do you think, senator, of this notion that the chinese do appear to be bending,

will substantially cut their own tariffs on imports coming in, including american cars, but not just american cars? by that, i mean it would benefit the germans as well, would benefit the japanese through lexus and toyota. you know the drill. it is good, it is progress, it is open season for competition with china but everybody is in the pool. what do you think of that? >> i think it is a good idea. free trade should be free trade. that is the problem so-called free-trade agreements for years have been one-sided. it took someone like president trump to come in and call these other countries to account. china has been cheating on trade for years. they have been stealing our intellectual properties. they have been hacking our military secrets and someone needed to push back. whether it was bush or clinton or obama, no one has pushed back but if we're going to have free and open trade, it needs to be honest. the president is pushing towards a more fair deal with china and other countries as well. so we don't have much to lose

right now because we've been on the short end of trade deals for a long time. neil: all right. senator, i apologize for breaking news, cutting our time but always good seeing you. thank you. >> good to see you, neil. neil: the president is getting ready to fly off to long island, new york, for an immigration summit, a best described a look at ms-13 and growing gang violence here. sometimes, not all the time, but on the way out he to the big plane he talks to reporters. we're on it in case he does. ♪ with expedia you could book a flight, hotel, car and activity all in one place. ♪

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>> reporter: former fib did -- fbi director james comey said spies is the wrong word. >> if you look at the lies, tremendous lies, all that is going on, i think james comey has got a lot of problems. at some point they have an ig report, then let's see what james comey has to say but i assume he is is covered in the ig report. but if you look at what he said, all of the lies, all of the fiction, i think he has a lot of problems. reporter: [inaudible]. >> well i don't want to get into it yet, but i will tell you after we look, after we look at the proof, would know? i would certainly hope not but i think it is going to be pretty obvious after a while. we're going now to talk about ms-13 with the great police officers. we're going out to long island. i don't know, are you coming with us? is anybody, no? going to be very exciting.

[shouting questions] no, no, we're not undercutting. we're cleaning everything up. this was a terrible situation. what we're doing is we're cleaning everything up. it is so important, what i'm doing is a service to this country, and i did a great service to this country by firing james comey, and excuse me, and a lot of people have said it, and you go into the fbi and a lot of those great people working in the fbi, they will tell you, i did a great service to our country by firing james comey. [shouting questions] reporter: [inaudible]. are you specifically telling the doj to -- >> i want them all to get together, and i want them, because everybody wants this solved, but a lot of bad things have happened. we now call it "spygate."

you're calling it "spygate." a lot of bad things have happened. i want them all to get together, sit in a roam. hopefully they will be able to work it out among themselves. [shouting questions] >> nafta? excuse me, nafta? reporter: [inaudible] >> i think your auto workers and auto companies in this country are going to be very happy with what is going to happen. you will be seeing very soon what i'm talking about. nafta is very difficult. mexico has been very difficult to deal with. canada has been very difficult to deal with. they have been taking advantage of the united states for a long time. i am not happy with their requests but i will tell you, in the end we win. we will win and we'll win big. we'll get along with mexico, we'll get along with canada, but i will tell you, they have been very difficult to deal with. they're very spoiled because nobody has done this, but i will

tell you that, what they asked for is not fair. our auto workers are going to be extremely happy. reporter: what about rod rosenstein. what about the deputy attorney general, sir and -- >> say what? reporter: are you 100% committed to following through and -- >> we'll see what happens on singapore, we're going to see. and it could happen. it could very well happen, but whatever it is, we will know next week about singapore. if we go, i think it will be a great thing for north korea. [shouting questions] reporter: [inaudible]. >> i can't hear, you john. reporter: yesterday in the oval office you seemed to suggest that -- [inaudible] do you think that will actually happen? >> some day a date will happen. it could very well be june 12th. some day a date will absolutely happen. it could very well be june 12th. we'll see, we'll know next week. reporter: mr. president, why

won't you say whether you have confidence with rod rosenstein? >> they will all be in the room tomorrow. we'll see what happens. what i want is total transparency. wait, you have to have transparency, an even they probably want transparency because this issue, supersedes a party. this soup -- supersedes republicans and democrats. what i want from rod, from the fbi, from everybody, we want transparency. you know what? i think in their own way they are obstructionists but even the democrats, i really believe on this issue, it supersedes. i think they want transparency too. thank you. thank you. [shouting questions] neil: you never know. the president making a reference to rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who will be joining him, is that right, ralph on the trip to long island? that is interesting in of itself here. i want to get the read from access media reporter, sara

fisher, media research center expert, rich nois, i'm sorry i lost my place, sir. get your thoughts on the unusual nature of what the president said here. i will get into the korean stuff here, but this idea he already moved forward called this "spygate." there might have been plants within the trump campaign. you know, sort of sniffing around there. he says spying on them. others have said the same. is it your sense this develops into something or much ado about nothing? >> well it is too soon it tell as the president referenced that ig report that is supposed to be coming out shortly will give us more information but it is important to recognize this is a pivotal moment for the trump presidency. it sort of solidifies positioning between them and sort of the mainstream media and the intelligence forces. even just using the term "spygate" is the president's way of calling this out and calling it a significant issue to the american public. neil: i like the way he said, that is what you call it.

started with him calling it that. you got to own the marketing. rich, there is another issue that has come up here that whether he will get fair treatment in all of this. you know a lot of people point out if this were barack obama and there were indications that there were plants from the government and prior administration spying on his campaign all hell would break loose. is that your sense? >> well i think that's right. we've had like, you know, 1400, 1500 minutes of coverage speculating about what the trump campaign might have done wrong vis-a-vis russia in 2016. there has been very, very little coverage from the mainstream media, only happens when the president himself gets involved, what was going on, were there excesses, were there problems on the investigation side in 2016? was the obama administration pushing the envelope too far? these new stories about an inenforcement talking to trump people and reporting back to the fbi what they said, that would have been a big story if it had

happened to the obama team under say, republican administration. the bush administration. but here you know -- neil: not so much. not so much. rich, i'm jump on you, thinking man that was fast, with the comments we got were taped comments. so he had time to hop on marine one and get to joint base andrews. sarah, the president also talked about this upcoming talk with the north koreans, and whether it even takes place. so he seems to be holding out the possibility, it might not happen at all. if it doesn't happen, just play that out for me. >> i mean if it doesn't happen, you can assume that the administration is still going to want to try to advance talks. something that they have been talking about doing for a long time. we know vice president mike pence had some successes in communicating with them. neil: right. >> wouldn't surprise me if they tried to continue talks. again if they got to late june 12th it, wouldn't

necessarily mean the end of negotiations. neil: is that your sense, rich? how will that be played in the media if that is the case? >> well, the media has gone back and forth on korea. they have been suggesting that the president was too much of a cheerleader, already willing to give away the store looking for a nobel peace prize. now they're suggesting he is throwing cold water on it and kill it before anything is happening to it. i think media are overreacting, the correct advice would be to wait see what happens. report it as it happens. don't speculate on what will happen. neil: we in the media have no time to wait for facts. guys, we appreciate it. any of you use amazon, of course you do, billions use worldwide. do you have a history of returning goods and keep doing it? you are persona non grata with a guy named bezos. i'll explain. ♪

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neil: boy, seems like amazon nice everything, right? it has facial recognition. now it is going after you if you return a lot of stuff. we'll go first into the privacy concerns over facial recognition it has with adam shapiro. what do you have, adam. reporter: amazon has been marketing it since 2016. so the aclu calls amazon's facial-recognition technology powerful and dangerous. the aclu actually sent a letter to amazon's jeff bezos demanding the technology which amazon calls recognition, spelled with a k, not be allowed to power government surveillance. the letter says recognition can be used by police to monitor people of interest, quote, raising the possibility of those labeled suspicious by governments or undocumented immigrants or black activists will be targeted for recognition surveilance. amazon web services spokesperson told me use of recognition for

widespread surveillance would be improbable. a statement from amazon says, quote, our quality of life would be much worse today if we outlawed new technology because some people could choose to abuse the technology. amazon's marketing materials say recognition offers real-time face recognition across tens of millions of faces and detection of up to 100 faces in crowded photos. they actually use this technology during the royal wedding. sky news used it. in addition to police departments, private companies like pinterest, scripts, c-span are clients. neil? neil: you don't have to be face on, right? any angle, any distance? reporter: it can recognize you, the marketing materials are clear, if you walk into a store it can recognize bodies, but the way amazon is saying it is all improbable, people using the service, the client, has to upload data in order to match the face. conceivably a police department would have to up load mug shots

and have a second data set from which to compare. it is nebulous because there are open data sets, google has pictures of all of us over the years, so that is where the question comesany, where is that database. thank you very much, adam shapiro. speaking of amazon, a little controversy over this, probably raising more hackles, the ability right now to watch those who return a lot of goods, if you're the kind that buys a lot from amazon and returns a lot to amazon, amazon has a message for you, scoot down the bench. we don't have time for you. stephanie miller and our own deirdre bolton. what is going on here? they are effectively saying you returned a lot of goods, not you, the heck with it. >> they will terminate your account. there is a lot of people complaining -- neil: how do you know -- >> that is what people are complaining about. it is two-fold, they're complaining they're getting kicked off the service. sometimes they're not even told. there are numerous examples of people are, never explained to them, you go on, you try to

order something, your account has been terminated. this is legal. neil: did they tell you that, your account is terminated? >> yeah, blocked. closing accounts without warning or explanation. one customer, people have been reaching out to the press, posting on horrible media, horrible customer service. one customer told the guardian last year he was kicked off amazon sending back 37 of 343 purchases in a year. not a lot of extra details on that but, bottom line, this is legal. i mean we all checked that little box which say conditions of use. the company reserves the right to basically terminate accounts at its discretion. neil: now, stephanie, that example that deirdre used was over 10% of purchases that were returned. could that, arbitrary this may be, even my impression of it, be the point at which amazon says, no, this is too weird? >> it is hard to know. they wrote a little bit, i read a little bit what's known about their processes here is not very

much. they don't disclose what triggers someone to be kicked off but i do love how much control the company has. i think from investors point of view, you have a lot of amazon that doesn't even need customers that are abusing them. neil: or that it can go, it had it foresee would be nasty pr. deirdre, the company might be saying more than we're hearing here. that these might be people who used something weird or then, tried to return it or then keep doing that. so trying to give every possible weird benefit of the doubt here. >> they did put out a statement to stephanie's point, we want every one to be able to use amazon. there are rare occasions where someone abuses what you're talking about, over an extend period of time. we never take these decisions lightly and they kind of go on with their explanation. neil: returning a half-eaten hickory farms basket. >> cavuto -- neil: not cavuto again? no, that is not going to happen.

stephanie, say it is even justified in doing this. i remember growing up, customer is always right, customer is always right, you want to keep the customer happy even if customer in rare cases is trying zing you, what do you think? >> reminded me something l.l. bean had to take anytime return policy and returning products that were 30 years old, they decided -- neil: that is awesome. >> and they were like, well you said i could return it anytime, so here i am. the customer is often wrong. neil: yeah, yeah. neil: this just feed this is narrative of this company gets bigger and bigger, more reckless in its behavior. maybe for valid reason. amazon investor you don't care, it is the wind at your back but is this kind of stuff gets washington's attention and you always have to rue that day? >> the stock is up 60% and

nasdaq is up 6%. what adam shapiro is talking about a tipping point quite issue. whether they're trying to annoy people returning half-eaten sandwiches. neil: you have returned that, haven't you? call falloff sandwiches. it is not. >> we saw mark zuckerberg grilled in france. that is a whole lot creeper i whether or not they are annoyed every now and then. neil: creepy is part of capitalism, young lady. stephanie, would you recommend this stock with everything going on? it has had quite a ride as deirdre pointed out, it sort of shakes off these little storms. >> a lot of the movement in the tech sector over the last couple months has been truly tied to the regulatory risk which is the area at height capital markets

tend to focus on and when you look at what the regulatory risk actually is, gdpr is the biggest upcoming regulatory risk. that is the eu privacy regulation that takes effect in two days, it is really not expected to hurt allison or any of its big, large competitors, too much. it really hurts smaller spoke technology competitors more and sort of you know, helps lift the bridges of moat around the castle for these guys. it is looking fine from regulatory perspective for now. neil: that is a big castle. >> their second headquarters go near d.c., they employ all the congressman kids and nephews, regulatory risk is operative. >> not a bad strategy at all. neil: i find her to be very jaded. thanks, guys. word of warning those returning meats and cheeses half-eaten. that could come back and cost you. just saying. in the meantime what is costing you is investing in stocks period.

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neil: all right. this guy keeps making news. west virginia senate candidate, we thought former candidate, don blankenship, former coal executive, told me simply losing the republican primary doesn't mean he lost out to go for the seat as third party candidate. there is sore loser feature, you would be deemed a sore loser. you would say that is wrong? >> my attorneys tell me that's wrong. so i guess we'll find out, but based on the law i'm confident that we will be on the ballot and if we are, i think we've got an excellent chance winning against morrissey and manchin. neil: tom bevin with us, right now, "real clear politics" co-founder of course. tom, what he is saying is, hook

or crook, i'm going to do this. i'm told by a lot of smart lawyers, whatever sore loser in law is in place, judge could easily overturn. the argument even though he came in third a weak third at that in primary battle, he could siphon away enough votes of the republican candidate that beat him that joe manchin seat is secure. what do you think? >> as whether he will be on the ballot or not we'll wait and see. his lawyers tell him that he will be but others disagree, that he will run afoul of the sore loser law. if he makes the ballot, absolutely could be potential spoiler in the race. think about it, neil in 2014, the last primary there were 445,000 votes cast in west virginia in the senate race there. just assume for the sake of argument 500,000 votes. each percentage vote is 5,000 votes. if it is 50-49 race, that race will be decided by 5000 votes.

blankenship got 20,000 votes in the primary couple weeks ago. we had third party can nits west virginia senate races getting 12 1/2 thousand to 20,000 votes. he could absolutely could be a spoiler if this is a close race where morrissey is leading manchin by one to three points. neil: what do you make why he is doing this. >> i was thinking about that. i don't know obviously. he has no love lost with the republican establishment. he feels aggrieved. he doesn't like mitch mcconnell. he obviously doesn't like joe manchin. he feels he is outside of the system. and but, it is heart to gauge why people go and and do these things and run. they don't think of themselves as spoilers. ralph nader, jill stein, any of these folks that run to the detriment of other pares, something else motivating them obviously. neil: right now i always look at, you and i chatted before, the house is anyone's guess but the senate is a good possibility

republican cost pick up seats. the manchin thing notwithstanding. what do you think? >> absolutely. i mean the way things are going now with the generic congressional ballot, primaries happened couple weeks ago, republicans are in a better position than they were. this manchin seat is near top of their list. indiana is probably at the top. if republicans win either or both of those seats, missouri another one in play it, would absolutely, first of all decimate democrats chances of winning back the senate, but potentially even have republicans adding to their total which would be, which would be pretty remarkable given where things were just a few weeks ago. neil: seeing those same numbers as well. can you see that this growing sentiments where people are more predisposed to think of republicans still controlling congress as testament to the economy? what is driving it? >> it is hard to say. obviously the economy is good. people are recognizing, they're

feeling it. if you look at right track, wrong direction number in our "real clear politics" average it is approaching highs. people feel good where things are going. they're attributing that more to trump. used to be last year they were attributing parts of the economy to obama. its all trump, all republicans because of the tax cut law. so that is definitely playing into it. the question is, democrats have enthusiasm and whether they can parlay that in november, if republicans can match enthusiasm of democrats in november, it is going to be a very, very interesting race. as we just talked about, they could hold the house an even pick up seats in the senate. that is not out of the question. neil: yeah. i think they hold on to the house but what do i know. thomas, always good seeing you my friend. thank you very much. dow down 21 points. we'll have more after this. you can listen to the stories you love while doing the things you love, outside.

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neil: all right, the president is expected to ride in new york, and be more exact to talk about ms-13 and worries he has about holes in our system that allow very dangerous gangs like this into the country. does my next guest know it, house judiciary committee chairman bob goodlatte he's already pushing a bill right now to crackdown on stuff like that. way ahead of a lot of folks on the dangers of his lethal group among others trying to sneak in here. chairman very good to have you, thank you. >> neil it's great to be with you and your viewers. neil: so what are you trying to do here? the president is obviously addressing, you know, the most dangerous of dangerous elements and that sums up ms-13 but for a lot of people who aren't

familiar, sir, do you mind bringing us up to speed on these gangs? >> sure, well if you're a gang member right now and you commit a crime, you can be deported in the trump adminitration takes that very seriously and they're doing that but we want to change that law and so does the president so if you are a member of ms-13, merely proving that, if you're not lawfully president of the united states, would be a basis for deporting you from the country or even if you're lawful ly president of the united states and you're a member of a horrific gang like ms-13 you could be deported from the country. that's a part of the security of america's futures about which deals with a whole host of areas including doing nice for the daca recipients but also securing the border more interior enforcement, e- verify which is a program that helps protect american citizens jobs by sharing people who apply for jobs in the united states are eligible to take them, and

also addressing the chain migration problem we want to move toward a merit-based immigration system and eliminate the crazy and also national security risk visa lottery program or 55,000 people are given green cards every year simply for having their name drawn out of a computer, a really poor way to decide who should be permanent residents of the united states we think. neil: if we wanted to sort of isolate, chairman, the really really bad violent elements that become ms-13, what do we do to those who don't come into the country that way but morph into that maniac approach later on and how do you weed that out? >> the same thing if you come into the country as a gang member or if you become one after you get here, the provisions in our legislation would allow the government to remove you from the country, but they detected it when you came

in, that's one way but most of the time, they find this out by virtue of investigations into gangs that are terrorizing thousands of communities all across our country. neil: the president is obviously highlighting this, a lot of his critics have said that it's morp hed into an anti-immigrant stance let alone illegal immigrant stance so i'm not surprised on the reaction but he was clearly and is clearly talking about the most dangerous of elements, that are getting into this country, too routinely but what worries me, chairman i know you've looked into this is that these groups very violent groups that do the worst of things are increasing and multiplying all over the country particularly to where the president is going today. >> they are and it is really sad that some here in washington would like to try to see the president's comments about vicious, violent gang members,

with immigrants in general. we're a nation of immigrants. you and i and everybody watching this program can go back a few generations or several generations and find someone in their family who came here to better their life, but we're also a nation of laws and respect for the rule of law, particularly for when it comes to the kind of crime and mayhem and murder and rape that these gangs perpetrate all the while selling illegal drugs and smuggling people and engaging in sex trafficking and everything else that bad on the streets of many communities, they need to be dealt with severely, the president gets it and i think most american people get it as well. neil: switching gears if you don't mind congressman, the president is very concerned about what he's now called spy games, evidence that the government agencies from the fbi to justice department had spies embedded in his campaign, they say those just looking for information as early as maybe the spring of 2016.

some have suggested a council to look into that, others have suggested the inspector general given his load just add to that and explore that. where do you stand? >> sure, well, the deputy attorney general mr. rosenstein has asked the inspector general to add that to his list of things that he's reviewing regarding the 2016 election, both the investigation into hillary clinton and her aids and the investigation that was subsequently launched into so-called trump campaign russia collusion for a long long time i've been calling for the appointment of a second special counsel to look into all of these matters related to the shocking way that people at the top of the fbi which is the most respected law enforcement organization in the world and thousands of people every day keep us safe but -- neil: you don't think an inspector general could do that,

sir? you think you need to hire another? >> i think he can make a start at it but he doesn't have prosecute for quality powers and i think that somebody completely outside of the justice department is needed and by the way, we also have u.s. attorney huber from utah who i'm also pleased that attorney general sessions appoint appointed to look into all of this but he's not completely independent. he's outside of main justice and outside of washington but we need to have this thoroughly examined. neil: a lot of lawyers running around we'll see chairman thank you very very much good seeing you again. >> thank you, you too. neil: we've got former trump advisor on this show when he was with me yesterday on your world. michael caputo talking about all of this take a look. >> i gave this information to the mueller team and they never reached out to the intermediary to check on it. neil: wait a minute so you raised the issue? just to be clear you raised this issue with mueller's team when they were questioning you and they did nothing?

>> they weren't even interested they didn't even seem to be taking notes. neil: all right, i want to go to former fbi deputy assistant director. terry we take it face value what mr. caputo said is little interest on the part of mueller 's team about these allegations would suggest either they knew about it or they didn't think it was a big deal or both. what do you think? >> well, neil i think they did know about it. i think when you put all the pieces together of all the things that are coming at us right now pretty fast and furious what you see is or what it feels like is an intelligence operation orchestrated and directed against the president-elect and the people he was bringing into be advising him. i mean, there's too many things here that just don't feel right. i'll give you another example. when you're developing a counter intelligence operation the whole purpose is to throw informants

and assets we call them to throw these people at your designated target to try to get information or to try to set something up. remember this isn't necessarily criminal. it's all about information, misinformation, disinformation, and neutralizing whatever the perceived threat is, and in this instance, it just seems like this all went off the rails and what would normally be a fbi contact case for example, where you're trying to determine the purpose of the contact between say a russian national and american, it seems like all of a sudden this turned into an operation where there was an assumption that the president-elect is going with the russians and now we're going to go after all of this and it just doesn't feel like anything but an operation directed against the president and its felt that way for many months. the example of natalia going to trump tower, you know what we always ask the first question we

always ask when we're talking to somebody who we think has been approached by the russians is who initiated the contact? did you call them or did you run into them in a bar at a hotel or did they contact you? and once again in that case she contacted trump jr. and the purpose could have been nothing more than just to have that meeting so that later on, it would look bad. it would look bad for the president. neil: but think of that. if you're going to put an operative spy, however you want it's not you, but in the trump campaign, more than one individual, maybe several, and you don't give the trump campaign a heads up, that's kind of sneaky is it not? >> well, it's actually more than that. it's actually frightening, neil, because the real reason we have to figure out the best way to get to the bottom of this and sort all these different threads out is this cannot happen again

and right now 50% of americans believe and i'm really starting to believe that pretty sincerely as well that there's a real problem here that goes very very deep and again these threads keep coming back not to russian collusion but they keep coming back to the democratic national committee and the democratic party. someone or some people with a lot of power, a lot of authority , i think decided at some point in time that look, if he's going to win then it's not a pleasant ride, and this is just, we've got to get to the bottom of this because we've got to know that this can't happen again and we've got to know why it happened now. neil: it certainly seems unprecedented and more than a little big-brotherrish, but terry thank you very much. as terry and i were speaking we're getting more clarification out of the nfl and its new policy on those players and coaches who might want to kneel during the national anthem on

the field. no you can't. you better not. you can be in the clubhouse and stay there and do what you want to do if you don't want to go stand for the national anthem but teams will in fact be penalized if they allow any of these stunts on the field. if someone kneels outside on the field, no fury like what the nfl is planning, individual teems can assess their own policy. the nfl as a group though is saying no, you can't do it, if you have a beef with the national anthem, have your beef in the locker room. a little more after this.

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neil: all right, the nfl commissioner talking about a new policy that players are not a fan of right now. you are either standing for the national anthem or you're in the locker room chilling. let's listen. >> we'll work with our players and get their viewpoint also. okay i've got to get back into the meeting. >> roger, joe persons, charlotte observer. >> yes? >> there was a former panthers female employee recently told sports illustrated characterized as the jerry richardson investigation as a farce because the league was, excuse me, the independent investigator was not giving any protection on the non-disclosure

agreements and she didn't, because they didn't, apparently she didn't feel free to speak to the investigators because of that. how would you respond to that characterization and then how will this investigation go forward now that jerry's no longer here? >> two things, one is mary joe white is highly-respected greatest integrity and she would not be involved with anything that is a farce. she has her own procedures and policies. we're going to allow her to complete her job and when she's completed her job we'll take it from there. okay, thank you very much. we'll conclude the overall meeting in a couple of hours. neil: all right just catching the tail end of that, the most important matter for the time being is the nfl's new position on the national anthem saying that all individuals have to cooperate and how they do it is up to them individually but the nfl rule will be something like this. you'll be out on the field, you'll stand for the national anthem. you want a meal or do anything like that you're going to be fine. your team will be fine maybe

you'll be fine but if you have a beef with this stay in the locker room until the anthem is over and then you can run on out and to your heart's content express your feelings in other ways but not kneeling down for the national anthem. the player's association is out with a statement saying no, no, no, this is not going to fly with us so they're not happy. it's going to lead to some run- ins here between the two, this middle ground that they carved out is not such a middle ground. players aren't happy. right now the nfl is saying we really don't care this will be the new policy on one that individual teams will have to honor. they'll have some discretion actually how they honor it and how they weed out punishment for those on their team who do not honor it but man oh, man they just opened up a new can of worm s. in the meantime we're focusing on the president heading up to long island, new york right now the president is go ping to be taking up the issue of ms-13 a very very violent group but it says really responsible for some

awful things that have been allowed to happen because we've allowed anybody into this country, even some of the nefarious elements that get even more violent once they're here. connell mcshane is in long island with the latest. connell: neil, i was listening to your interview or part of it with congressman goodlatte a few minutes ago and to follow-up on some of the points made there the white house says at the round table we expect to begin within the hour the president and others will address what they see as loopholes in the current immigration law that allows gang members to enter the country mostly from central america ms-13 which you referenced a moment ago as a street gang that's reeked havoc, the white house put outnumbers that says 40% of all of the murders committed in suffolk county from the beginning of 2016 to the middle of last year were tied to ms-13 a number of heinous crimes here tied to the gangs so that's all discussed within the round table members within the hour. outside of the event the president was met, or there was a small gathering that just wrap ped up of a group of

protesters, we shot some video of these pro-immigrant groups from here on long island and for the most part had a chance to speak with the leaders for the last hour and their main beef with the president's immigration policy, one after the other, was telling me is the language that the president is used at approaching this issue, you might remember the controversy last week where the president says some of his comments were taken out of context where he says he was referring to gang members as animals and has since repeated that statement many times so some of these protester s, immigrant rights advocates have says the president may have been painting the immigrant community with too broad of a brush so they were here to make their sentiments clear. now on the inside we'll just show you the attendees that are expected at this event. you'll see that the secretary of homeland security, the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein a number of immigration-related officials as well as local members of congress i'll point out those are republican members of the congress, peter king and no democratic members of

congress that we know of in fact i reached out to tom swansey, and his office told me he was not invited although had he been invited the congressman says he would have been there so we'll see. this starts at about a little under an hour, of one of many such events the president has held in recent weeks and months. neil: all right connell thank you very very much. connell mcshane, on long island. one of the things we're also following today is president promising a nafta deal he thinks will benefit auto workers and will come but it will be the right deal at the right time for the right workers, our workers, this as the chinese appear to be bringing that they open up their market and it looks like they've committed to doing so and the flip side is they've committed to opening their markets and not just american automobiles i should say but the german and japanese, so they're all diving in the pool and may the best car company win, after this.

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neil: all right, the nfl has a new policy on the national anthem right now you're outside and standing or you're inside the locker room but you can not go outside and kneel and there will be fines run at you and the team if you do, individual teams could sort it out but already the players have issued a statement through the union, the nfl chose to not consult the union to the development of this new policy and nfl players have shown their patriotism through their community service in support of our military and law enforcement yes through their protest to raise awareness about the issues they care about so this beg the question what happens if one player comes out and kneels outside, charlie gasparino, on what happens now. charlie: i've been doing a lot of reporting on this for the last year. i will say this and this is a fox news alert. i'm giving donald trump credit for this. neil: well he did make an issue. charlie: here is what donald trump knew better than roger goodell whose supposed to know

this better than anybody. he knew the nfl's demographics and i did some reporting on this and i was able to get from some of my sources that do marketing for the nfl, give me the typical nfl fan. white male, income of less than $100,000, military. all the attributes of a trump voter so if you're going to do a one-knee in front of that type of fan base in an era where it's harder to grow the fan base because women don't like a lot of stuff about the nfl including domestic violence, cte injuries, if that is your core audience the last thing you need to do is give them the middle finger every sunday. neil: well he did make this, he thought also they made a middle ground. charlie: i know this is like perfect. it's a good, i think it's a good solution. the other guy to credit this is jerry jones, the owner of the dallas cowboys who i know was front and center on this and

spoke somewhat with the president about what to do. jerry was against the one knee from the beginning and he actually tried to take out roger goodell as head of the nfl because of this one knee controversy. neil: so you don't think this is going to work? charlie: i think it is going to work. neil: you do? charlie: when the teams, listen, the teams, it is unsustainable. there's certain things that are totally unsustainable. you can not have open borders in a welfare state. i agree with donald trump on that it's impossible. can't do it. you can not thumb your nose at your core fans, it's not even thumb your nose. you're giving them the middle finger every weekend you can't do that every weekend and have a sustainable business model and sell shirts. neil: well they must be reading the writing on the wall we'll wait clearly to see the president we'll no doubt weigh in on this later i do want to switch gears, comcast and a story that's a little close -- charlie: offer clear --

who broke the show on this? neil: it's all about you. you just praised the president of the united states and now back to what have i done for you what is it? charlie: what are you saying ralph? the news is what we basically said they are going to make an all-cash bid they came public with it. neil: just as we were closing this deal. charlie: here is the interesting thing. neil: fox entertainment. charlie: there's a few, our stock is way up today for obvious reasons an all cash bid is good for our shareholders. i think what comcast is doing today is trying to stage, get a fox shareholders to stage a revolt against -- neil: and they're interested in that, this isn't fox news or fox business they're interested in movie properties. charlie: the stuff going to disney. neil: right and now all of a sudden, fox is turning the corner right? charlie: they want to stage a re billion and they want to do something that they're doing against redstone in the comcast

cbs redstone wars which is this. you own the controlling shares, right? sherry redstone. you own the controlling shares we get it but we look at the laws this way that you still have fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders to accept what is good for the shareholders, therefore, cbs merging with viacom not good for cbs shareholders so we're going to ignore your controlling stake and go out and try to change it. what steve ross is doing the head of comcast is telling our shareholders what rupert murdoch wants to do by selling to disney is against the fiduciary responsibility is bad for the shareholders and it doesn't matter he's the controlling shareholder. take our bid -- neil: we talking about brian roberts here? charlie: excuse me brian roberts neil: time-warner days. charlie: you understand what i'm saying he's saying rebell against rupert murdoch, we're going to give you a better deal. neil: what difference is all cash? makes it harder to turn down? charlie: it depends how you look at it. stock deals are more efficient.

rupert murdoch would say i think we have a better chance. neil: this would be legally more problematic. charlie: maybe and the other thing that brian roberts is hanging his hat on is if at&t prevails over the government and is allowed to buy time-warner. neil: if it doesn't he's not interested. charlie: well then he can't it's going to be harder to justify it but that core, he's challenged a dual class ownership structure like mine os is doing and saying mr. murdock you have a responsibility to your shareholders and they like all cash bids better than the stock bids. neil: so you're closer to the president and alienating your boss. charlie: by the way rupert murdoch is the greatest business man of all-times in my view but i'm up there with thomas edison. neil: it's a little late for that. charlie: i'm telling you one of the greatest men of all-time is our boss, but i'm saying i'm just laying out -- neil: understood. that's the kind of guy you are wish we had more time. but we do not thank you, charlie

gasparino he was on both of these stories and we'll keep on top of that also keeping on top of a promise the president made a little less than an hour ago to u.s. auto workers. listen. president trump: i think your auto workers and your auto companies in this country are going to be very happy with what's going to happen. you'll be seeing very soon what i'm talking about. nafta's very difficult, mexico has been very difficult to deal with. canada has been very difficult to deal with. they have been taking advantage of the united states for a long time. i am not happy with their request but i will tell you in the end, we win. neil: all right the president talking that he will have a nafta deal, it won't be a skinny deal as something will happen to sort of shake this thing and get something going to market watch er jim lecamp, moody's chief capital market and what if it doesn't happen and they fear its been pushed back and it

can't happen this year? >> well if it doesn't happen of course that runs some risk as far as the upcoming november elections are concerned and that could create some problems in states that specialize in auto production. michigan and the like. neil: you know, jim, you could argue that the deal could be on the cusp of what china would more than compensate for that, not that american auto workers are in any danger and now china could be committed to buying a lot more of them or certainly removing impediments for our guys to sell them. what do you think of that? >> yeah, i think that's definitely a factor in this whole thing and look the president is fighting multiple battles on multiple fronts at the same time. that's usually not a good strategy and it might even put china in a better position to negotiate with mexico and canada , but furthermore, it's not only the u.s. that has elections coming up. mexico has a very big election coming up, and if the far left

candidate whose in the lead wins , well whose to say he might want to, he might not want to re negotiate this thing the minute he gets into office? so there are a lot of cross- currents here and a lot of risk in negotiating several deals around the world that's fighting several battles at the same time. i do agree though, if china does relax these tariffs, it could be a bigger plus than not re negotiating nafta would be a minus. neil: you know, john you could also step way back from this and say whatever you think of, whatever the final deal is let's say with china, and i know there are a lot of critics say well the chinese have not done more than we want, not done enough in other words but they're doing more and committing to more, even verbally than they ever have before with any president of either party so it would be better than what was out there, but the flip is that all of a sudden we're competing with the germans and japanese and others for the same business, i think we're up to that task but you almost have to be careful what you wish for because everyone is getting it right?

>> yeah, i think we have to give trump credit for being bold enough to bring these issues out into the open to have more transparency as far as what's going on on the trade front. these were issues, matters that in the past were very much kept hidden from the american voter and the american worker. neil: guys thank you both very very much. we also are keeping an top of this latest movement on the part of the nfl to try to silence the controversy over the standing or kneel for the national anthem they say you stand. if you want to kneel or do anything else you do it in a locker room and don't make a specatacle of yourself on national tv or during the anthem the players aren't happy and already clearly indicating they won't go along with that. i don't think this is working but it's still early. more after this. pah! that will never work.

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getting straight to the point that they're not solving any issue. they're saying new unanimously 32 teams have agreed that player s must stand on the field during the national anthem; however they choose they do not want to stand they want to take a knee they have to do that behind closed doors in the changing room so this is a big policy change. neil: what if they don't? >> if they're on the field there is the league with fine the team but it's not a dressing issue, the protest, it's not addressing the other players who they put their fists up. neil: absolutely. >> it's not addressing any of that and i know it's just a little bit off topic but would we react the exact same way if this was a sense against the opioid crisis in america or gun control or anything like that? so i feel like the reaction right now, you had no players, at the meeting right now. the nfl's association, the union essentially players association wasn't present they weren't consulted the league says they

didn't need to be consulted. neil: now the nfl is arguing they were consultants but i don't know whose telling the truth but bottom line players aren't going to agree even those who don't necessarily support kneeling for the anthem and that isn't what stuck on the issue. >> he made it a big issue last year and we need to remind people there was in 2016 colin kaepernick from the san francisco 49ers who took a stand or literally kneeled because of how american african american men were treated in the united states, more so around police brutality so he was trying to take a stand but you know a lot of other players that may not have done the exact same thing but did link arms i don't think it's really addressing the issue there was one argument saying why don't you just go back to pre-2009 when the player s stayed in the changing room until after the anthem, but they don't want to seem like oh, they're taking a huge stance and addressing the issue by making the players all stay in the changing room so you have this

new policy coming into effect in the upcoming season and several big managers do agree with it but others do not you've got the new york jets, christopher johnson who says he doesn't want to look like he's muzzling players but on the other hand dallas cowboys, houston texans, cincinnati bengals all said no they're forcing their players to stand for the national anthem because it's disrespectful. neil: i told you it's a business and it can do what it wants to with its employees, the players. what's the reality here? i mean as you said this goes way beyond potentially the anthem for some players who might not have to kneel but raise a fist or whatever. >> why not this be about the bigger picture the number of viewers they're getting and it's decreasing. you have brady that came out and i tried to find the quote before coming on set but he said not as many people are watching the games as much because you're overstimulated. we have so many different avenue s, games constantly going on so it's hard to maintain

those viewers and i think that that's part of the bigger issue you have seeing viewership drop-off. neil: it always comes to money when push comes to shove. christina thank you very very much if we get anything more from them of course we'll keep you posted this will be front and center on your world, on fox news at 4:00 p.m. we'll be all over this in the meantime, the issue about hawaii volcano that has nothing to do with what's going on with professional football but everything to do with a big island that has a lot of big worries jeff paul has the very latest. jeff? >> hi there, neil. yeah there's still fears this morning about lava possibly reaching a nearby geothermal power plant it's about 300-yards away from the well. if that were to happen it could possibly trigger explosions or releases of toxic steam. now the governor of hawaii spoke on this yesterday. he believes that any risks involving this plant and lava reaching it have been mitigated. he says his focus is now making sure people who are in the path of this lava get out.

streams of lava in some spots are getting bigger and moving much faster, thankfully authorities say no one has been killed yet but one man who was standing on his balcony was recently struck in the leg with a lava bomb and survived. >> the most forceful impact i've ever had in my body in my life and i've been hit by big waves and various things, that was just in credibly powerful and hot. >> and the volcano has also hit tourism pretty hard. 2 million people visit the hawaiian volcanos national park each year. it's obviously closed right now and according to a park service report, that means more than $200 million lost in revenue when you include the hundreds and hundreds of jobs the parks indirectly impacts. that norwegian cruise line last week told us they canceled at

least two of their stops, the cruise stops to the big island. we're also being told according to the local tourism board they believe they've lost about $5 million in cancellations from the month of may to july. neil? neil: jeff i'm curious what about airlines going to hawaii is it just the big island they avoid or what are you hearing? >> not even the big island. flights are coming in and out in fact our hotel is near the helo airport, we flew into kona, and commercial air travel it hasn't impacted so they are telling improvement if you're flying in and out of hawaii check your flight before you head out. the only thing that has impacted air travel is directly near some of these active fissures in the volcano it's sort of a no fly zone in effect. neil: jeff thank you very very much good seeing you. in the meantime we're keeping an eye on this nfl move and what that could mean also awaiting the president and his comments on ms-13 on long island, new york of course so much happening

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neil: all right, this got pretty

nasty at least the language dx the president is going to be addressing the people inside but there are a lot of protesters outside saying that he's been really talking about ms13 and violent gangs. he's talking about immigrants, legal, illegal you name it. that is not really the case here but let's go on to what's really happening and what the president might say about how to ratchet back these type of groups, violent groups like ms13 he says that are moving and soaring faster than we ever thought possible, republican polster chris wilson democratic strategist and now chris wilson, the argument that the president is going to make, we have got to get a handle on this problem because this particular violent problem with ms13 gangs that are popping up everywhere including in long island new york where he's going is something that's in your community democrat or republican it's in your community. what do you think? >> well, i think the beauty of what the president has been able to do here is actually he's been able to get democrats come

outlook like they're defending m s13 and i know that's not truly what's going on, but the fact is that's the impression the american people and i think whenever he is on the side of security on the side of protecting the borders on the side of stopping crime and stamping out crime when there's major crime problems it's actually that's how you see him begin to appeal to and bring back that republican that swing vote, suburban vote that he had trouble within 2016 and that republicans struggle with a little bit in 2018 and frankly i think whether he's doing it for political strategy or because he truly believes in it it's a very solid political strategy on this part. neil: you know, politics aside how does this morph in into what the president wants to do with m s13 and about him being a racist or worst when it came to addressing the illegal immigration issue? >> because that's how he started his campaign, the very first thing you may remember

donald trump announced his campaign talking about how mexico is not bringing their best people they're bringing rapist et cetera, right? this is rhetoric he's driven throughout his campaign and throughout his presidency. neil: so you don't think this ms 13 focus today is an ms13 focus no matter what he said when he was running for president? >> i think it is an attempt to fear monger. i think that when we're talking about kids who are coming from different countries who are often fleeing violence, not starting violence, but there's another attempt for the president to demonize people who don't look like us and who come from different countries, right? neil: so you don't think that we're talking about really violent groups and what is otherwise a very safe community the president arriving in beth page new york a short time ago. you don't think that legitimate ly addresses something right now? >> no i think if we want to talk about issues we have he can talk about the divisiveness he's started and exacerbated since becoming president and the fact

so many of us are not able to talk to members of our own family. neil: well this is getting out of control here but of course, i have no political agenda here so chris wilson, what i'm seeing here is the more i research on this ms13 and that president obama reverted to it before but not with the aggressive aggressiveness this president is and one of the things i discovered is they're everywhere and they are recruiting everywhere so once they're here, they morphed and expanded into other elements in other cities and it used to be la but now it's every state in the country, and increasing the violent gang- like warfare, the likes of which some of these communities have never seen. >> it is and i'll tell you i do this i talked to you today from austin, texas where yesterday they had a run off election and i can tell you the reason why the governor of texas greg abbott was popular governors in the country and has very solid popularity with hispanics is because of his position on stamping out crime and sanctuary cities taking a strong stand on

securing the border and frankly some of the most supportive groups toward his actions against sanctuary cities and making sure that those groups, the gangs are not able to come across-the-boarder are with hispanics resentful of it. >> but can i say i think chris, as a polster you know this that there is a danger in going too far and looking like you're exploiting something, exploiting fear, right like you saw this with ed gillespie last november, right? which was that he was talking about ms13 and people said frankly, we don't believe it. we think you're just trying to turn us against one another. neil: but isn't there a fear of not going far enough? >> that's right and there's a difference between having a record and rhetoric and that's what trump is trying to do is have a record. neil: to christy's point do you think that he hurts himself with that message given the message he's had before? >> well i think his message has been unrefined before and we're

seeing an evolution of it in the sense of actually making it not about a specific immigrant group but what about where you do have serious issues and i don't think anybody there's not many people who want to stand up and defend ms13 and say oh, well they should be allowed into the country and certainly that's not what you're saying christy i get that but the problem is when you draw a line in the sand and say he's going too strong on ms13 most americans say you can't be strong enough. neil: well that's not what she said to be fair but you say christy that the fear is that he's lost his message because of stuff he said prior because that's not fair either. >> no, that is exactly what i say. look, if you look at president obama and what he did, there has always been a distinction between of course we are going to deport violent, people who have a violent record anybody who has a criminal record et cetera. >> yeah, we haven't. >> but we're painting with a broad brush here. neil: well maybe christy might surprise you with the words he uses in this meeting certainly minutes away. guys thank you very very much. >> thank you. neil: the president will sort this out in five minutes.

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yesterday along with the fbi director talking about investigating spy gates as the president is calling it. there is clear legal issue here to deal with these gangs and others with a presence in this country. it is interesting and glad i noticed it. trish to take you through the fed minutes. trish: thank you very much, neil cavuto. we're 103. we're seconds away from the release of fed minutes. we head into the final two hours of trading. all of this as the president arrives in long island, in new york, where he will be laying out his plan to crack down on gang violence. that is happening moments from now. we're all over it. i'm trish regan. welcome, every one, to "the intelligence report." stocks trading ahead of these minutes. we're waiting on new information from the fed, in terms of finding out exactly how the economy really looks over all.

whether they're concerned about inflation. whether thinking about a potential trade war. we have an all-star economic panel to break it down for you. we're going to straight to federal reserve where our jenner schoenberger has the minutes. over to you. >> fed officials appear to stick with plans or at least two more interest rate hikes this as they expect inflation to move closer to the 2% target. minutes from the may federal reserve policy meeting trish, there was a lot of talk on inflation and talk after symmetric target. that is the fed is willing to let inflation run a little bit above its 2% target for a temporary time period. however notably, though inflation hit the fed's fed's 2% target recently, that the up take may be temporary due to health care and financial service price increases. on trade, they said uncertainty around trade could hurt business