courage or principle on this matter. >> well the leadership brought today to the floor the resolution that we passed and they will have seven days, the department of justice, to turn over the documents we're asking for. then we have to look at contempt proceeding. it is incumbent upon the department of justice, the fbi to happened over the documents. as andy mccarthy was saying earlier, you wonder what's it going to take to get an order to have these released. do we have to go to a contempt, do have to go to the u.s. attorney -- lou: think about it, congressman. this has been going on, taking the most recent request from house oversight judiciary, they've told both committee to go to h hell since last fall. >> compare to how quickly they jumped to conclusions in the e-mail investigation two months before they interviewed mrs. clinton, they're writing the exoneration memo. lou: excellent point.

congress mappcongressman, good u with us. appreciate your time. >> thank you. lou: well moments from now we'll be bringing you that live police briefing on the deadly newsroom shooting in annapolis, maryland. five people were killed. and we know at least three, possibly seven more more wounded in the incident. president trump tonight is thanking all of the first responders. fox business senior correspondent adam shapiro now with more reaction to the shooting. adam? >> and it's good to see you, lou. the president tweeting earlier this evening, quote, prior to departing wisconsin i was briefed on the shooting at capital gazette in annapolis, maryland. my thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. thank you to all of the first responders who are currently on the scene. now of course that was one of many responses from people. and of course the company which owns the newspaper, the capital gazette, that company issued a statement saying we're deadly saddened today by the attack in our capital gazette newsroom.

our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. we're focused on providing our employees and their families support during this time. we commend the police and the first responders on their quick response. vice president pence who is out of the country tweeted, quote, just arrived in guatemala. we're monitorin monitoring the c shooting. karen and i are praying for the victims and their families. we commend the swift action by law enforcement and all of the first responders on the scene. lou, even the press secretary at the white house, sarah sander had a statement essentially saying that an attack on innocent journalists is an attack on all americans. there's a great deal of reaction that yoto this tragedy. still waiting for the press conference. lou: thank you very much. appreciate it. annapolis police giving this live briefing that has just begun on today's shooting.

>> -- in custody and our criminal information division investigators are interviewing him now. he entered the building. this was a targeted attack on the capital gazette that is located at 888 best gate road on the first floor. he entered the building with a shotgun and he looked for his victims as he walked through the lower level. we have secured the building. we are in the process of notifying the next of kin. we have five confirmed fatals and two injuries. the injuries, my understanding, are superficial, possibly from glass from the shotgun blast. we are working on now securing his residence.

he does live in the state of maryland. we are in the process of securing that rez deposition and preparing for serge warrants. this is the next scen phase of e scene, the investigative phase. this is the part that takes the most time. as i would assume that many of you have heard from police agencies in the state of maryland and across the country, the investigative process is very difficult. we must be thorough. that's why you will not get the information from social media from us unless it's been confirmed. we have allowed our investigators to do their job. they are there now. and we are going to continue to provide you with information. i want to -- hold on one second. i want to share something with you that i think is important. we mentioned before about the imimprovised explosive device.

that is not an iad. it was actually canisters of smoke gra naitd grenades that hd inside of the building when he entered the establishment. so this person was prepared today to come in, this person was prepared to shoot people. his intent was to cause harm. and as i stated before, the investigative part hof thi of ts going to be thorough and it's going to take some time. as you can see behind us, we opened up bestgate road. we thought that we may need to secure that roadway for a long period of time. and as we get further into the investigation we realize that we don't need that roadway. but the building, 888 bestgate will be secured for some time. i do not have a time frame on that yet. we're going to be inside there

for quite a bit. and until this investigation is complete. when i have more confirmed information i will share that confirmed information with you. >> targeting specifically this newspaper. what was the beef with this newspaper? >> that's what we're investigating now. >> there are reports that he had a history with the newspaper a couple of years ago. >> that's what i'm hearing. before we confirm that i need our investigators to go look into that and make sure that's correct. >> does he live in annapolis? >> -- difficulty mentally identifying the man [inaudible] >> no. i can't share that with you. first time i've heard facial recognition. >> is he being cooperative? is he answering questions? >> i can't answer that. he is at our criminal investigation division. our detectives are down there with him.

i have not interrupted them to ask him if he's being cooperative. >> when will we have information on the suspect. >> when we confirm it. go ahead. >> can you confirm this suspect did have a connection with -- can you tell us that? >> the only connection i can tell you about right now is possibly. possibly through social media. vi ni have no other confirmatio. >> did your tept have have any issues with this guy in the past or other departments? -l. >> we're still looking into that. i cannot confirm if our department has had interaction with him. we'll comment on that later. >> is he a resident of maryland? can you tell us is he a resident of maryland? >> he's a resident of maryland. >> you said he was. >> that's going to be part of the investigation. i can't confirm for you whether or not he actually knew employees there or if he just targeted a business in general. >> chief, can you tell us where in maryland he's a resident?

>> no. >> when will you be able to confirm his identity? >> very soon. >> the type of shotgun, a shorting shotgun, a tactical shotgun and can you provide information about the smoke grenades, whether they were commercially available or military? >> i don't have that information. >> were a u all of the people st in the newspaper office? >> i can't confirm that. they were shot on the first floor. >> there's some talk about the gunman trying to hide his identity in certain ways, maybe with his fingerprints burnt off. can you confirm any of that? >> i cannot. it's the first i heard facial recognition and the first i've heard anything about fingerprints. we have no verification on either. >> does he have a criminal record? >> i can't confirm that. >> does the gazette have any threats on social media? >> we know there were threats sent to the gazette through social media. >> recently. >> he's in his late 30s. >> by this person?

>> no. the threats were sent over social media. we're trying to confirm what account that was and we're trying to confirm who actually sent them. >> broken windows in the fourth floor. >> i'm sorry. hold on one second. how long ago -- to my knowledge, those threats were as early as today. >> can you tell us anything about the broken windows on the fourth floor? >> i can't answer that. the broken windows on the fourth floor. as i mentioned to you once before. we have a two phase approach. one is tactical one is investigative. those broken windows on the fourth floor probably, and i will confirm this but i'm almost positive they came from our tactical guys. >> are all five fatalities employees of the gazette? >> i can't confirm that. [inaudible] >> we have not. in fact that's a great question. we're pulling all of those as we speak. we have property managers here. everybody that's associated with that building. here's the interesting part.

governor hogan and mr. shu has mentioned this many times. this gentleman behind me from the red cross. we heave had so much support from around this state, not only law enforcement but private and public sector and this gentleman is one of them from the red cross that come and asked what they can do. and that's important for us. we have to take care of a lot of people in a scene like this, not only police officers but our victims with our victims' family and then we have to get everybody back to normal. that's our job. that's why we have these people here. >> can you tell us anything about how you apprehended. >> i can't -- that's part of the investigation and when i'm able to give that information to you, i will. >> security in place given the fact they were threatened? >> how about his age. >> late 30s. >> was there any security in the building given the fact they were dealing with threats? >> we don't know that yet.

that's part of the investigation. we're looking into that as well. based on the threats, not to my knowledge, no. [inaudible] >> if they have, i am not aware of that personally. but we will look into that because of those threats and we'll get back to you on that information. say that again. [inaudible] >> were we able to take his fingerprints? that would be part of the whole booking process. yes, eventually his fingerprints will be taken. [inaudible] >> i'm sorry? [inaudible] >> i want to be really clear about this, guys. we have no information about facial recognition or anything about his fingerprints. if i had that information i would give it to you but we don't have that. >> verify the social media account. did he talk about the spesty of th -- whatkind of threats?

>> what i can share with you now they were general threats towards the capital. the capital is a media outlet. >> were they saying i want to kill somebody was it harm or were they saying i'm never going to buy your paper again. >> a good question. when i have that information available to you, i'll be more specific on the threats. >> violent threats? could you say they were violent threats? >> they indicated violence. >> anyone in specific at the paper? >> motivated threat? >> i can't answer that. we do not have any -- we have no knowledge at all that he was targeting anyone specific at the capital. no. >> deputy chief, has the capital talked to you recently about concerns oar o or threats. have they contacted you? >> no. i want to be clear about another point. the capital newspaper is our local newspaper. we interact with the capital

newspaper daily. lieutenant frazier is our public information officer. we have friends at the a capital newspaper. we speak with these men and women on a daily basis to get stories out that are important to the citizens of this county. we're here, invested. we're going to get this investigation right and we're going to come back and give you credible confirmed information to answer all of your questions. >> when are we going to have a name of the suspect? >> soon. one more. >> was there a boosted police presence of any kind of the threats were issued? >> no. last one. [inaudible] >> i can't answer that. we have two individuals an indie and we have one at shock trauma. one more that's it. [inaudible]

>> we do not know that yet. do you know what thiem? >time?>> just to update you guy. we don't anticipate having any further information until tomorrow morning releasinleasine suspect's name. there's a lot of information going on right now. we don't want to jeopardize any of that. from the county police department, like the chief said, we interact with these reporters every day like we do with a lot of you guys. i think sometimes in these major events that gets lost. our thoughts and prayers go out to these victims, the victims' families and to friends. so these are people that we knew personally in the police department. so again, i just want to reiterate that there are no unofficial police spokesmen for the police department. all of the information that you guys will get will come from me. most of you here know me, mow it's going to come out as soon as we get it as soon as i have information it will come out to everyone, either social media or

through one of these briefings. we don't anticipate having any more information until tomorrow morning. i'll put out tonight on social media when we can make a decision with investigators when a good time to have the next briefing to get the information out that you guys want and need, we'll make that decision and i'll put that information out as soon as possible. we're speaking with numerous people inside the building. we had 117 people that we evacuated out of that building. many are witnesses. we have detectives interviewing over 100 people as well as the suspect. so there's a lot of moving parts here. and our detectives are doing what they do best. they'll get to the bottom of it and find out exactly. [inaudible] >> there's been a lot of, a lot of witnesses that have been helpful with the investigation. so yes, the investigation moves forward very swiftly and is progressing well. >> some of these people were evacuated early. you said 117? >> yeah, about 170 people, 170,

171 were evacuated. a lot of people in the building. there are a lot of businesses inside there. but again this was quite obvious and quite apparent that this individual had some type of a vendetta against the capital newspaper and they were specifically targeted. >> have you seen the aftermath? >> i have not been in the crime scene, no. that's something that we protect very well. i've been at the newsroom several times. yep. one more. >> are they going to open the building sometime tomorrow for the other people. >> that building is going to be closed indefinitely until we do what we got to do. again it's a lot of moving parts. our primary job right now is to make sure that we get enough evidence to make sure we can prosecute this case. [inaudible] >> that i don't know about. it's something that we've learned since the investigation started from the workers at the capital. it's a lot of moving parts. >> tell us a little bit about the people that were not injured, how they're doing?

>> we have our mobile crisis here helping with individuals that were involved and not injured. so that's something again oftentimes gets forgotten about in these situations. you know, our hearts go out to them too. we have people here that have met with them with the mobile crisis unit to see if they need resources. resources are being provided. it's important that they're taken care of. i'll close with our hearts and prayers go out to the families, friends of the victims, anyone associated with the building over there. i'll put out on social media when our next briefing will be and our next briefing we anticipate having the suspect's information and in more information for you because we know you guys need it. thank you guys. >> tomorrow morning? >> i'll put out a location. i don't feel this is the first place to have press conferences. i think you can agree with that. we'll try our hardest to get a good location. i'll make sure it go out on all of the media platforms. it's important to us that we get

the information to you guys quickly, the right information to you guys as quick as we can. thank you guys. appreciate it. [inaudible] >> say that again. [inaudible] >> i don't think i can speculate to that. but certainly the quick response from our officers, in the surrounding jurisdictions, the city of annapolis, the sheriff's department, we've had so many resources here, we really appreciate their help. getting th there quickly, addressing the threat quickly certainly saved lives. these officers did an amazing job from what we can tell so far. you know, the quicker that you can get into an active shooter situation like this and stop the threat, the more lives you save. that's pretty basic. thank you guys. appreciate it. i'll put the information out. see you guys tomorrow. lou: you've been listening to lieutenant ryan frazier and arun dale county police public

information officer. and as you listened, as we all have been doing, they didn't have much to tell us and we're a full five hours from the occurrence of the incident in annapolis, maryland. we do know five people were killed in the incident. we know that the suspect is in custody, he's in his late 30s. beyond that we don't know much. one news organization is reporting the name of the suspect who was apprehended at the scene of the crime. we are not prepared to tell you that name because we have not been able to corroborate it. as a matter of fact only one news organization nationwide is actually using the -- well actually i've been informed that two news organizations have just decided to report that name. but we're not in a position because we don't have a confirmation of the suspect's

identity. the stories that his fingerprints had been mutilated to avoid identification, we're told by the deputy chief, the acting chief who spoke initially at that press conference that he had no information about anything to do with the fingerprints. so that is, while reported, it is unconfirmed. joining us now we're going to be bringing that to you and chasing this as hard as we possibly can to get you all of this. but vi to sa i have to say we'rl frustrated with the lack of information coming out of annapolis, maryland shooting. some of it is understandable. some of it, frankly, is not. joining us tonight is former fbi assistant director gill gavin. bill gavin. bill, it is great to have you

with us again. and again under these circumstances. as we are listening to the county police department, it's striking what they're not telling us, what they're not confirming. and they've got a great story. because initial accounts said that there was a first response in a matter of a minute, as soon as the call went out almost, police officers were on the scene. you would think that we could get far more than this out of a police department as sophisticated as the one certainly as in annapolis, maryland. >> i think, lou, what they're really trying to do at this particular point is to preserve everything they possibly can. they haven't said how they got there within the first minute. did it have something to do with the social media that the chief

talked about? i don't know. was the threat of the location put in that social media threat? it could have been. but they got there within that minute and that's what saves lives. i heard earlier today, lou, one of the victims said he hid under the desk and he was petrified when he heard the blast go off from the -- he called it a shotgun, he was correct, and reloading it. well i don't know if anybody has ever been around a shotgun in a combat situation. but when you rack that shotgun to eject one of the rounds and put another one in, it will make the hand stand out on the back of your neck. and i fully appreciate what this poor individual went through, the fright that he went through in there. now maybe he stopped shooting because he's got a shotgun that only holds five or six rounds to get out before he has to reload that's a possibility. and the police were all over him by that time. lou: depending on, and if it is a pump shotgun, it's tubular fed

typically holding five. although shotguns can hold as many as eight, some shotguns can hold as many as eight rounds. if it were five, you know, that's a matter of great fortune for the folks who were not victims. bill, this question though, we're seeing something change about reporting these incidents, crimes in america. we're seeing law enforcement really, really test the patience of the american public. we do not have the that names of the people who were victims. we do not have the names of the people who were wounded. we don't have a number for those who were wounded. we do know five were killed. i don't want to harp on this, but this is becoming very troubling, whether interests that are frankly above the public's right to know and certainly preserving a crime scene and the integrity of an

investigation ranks among those things. but this is, it seems to me, retro grade at a time when our investigative techniques should be far more sophisticated, the technology that's brought to bear, communications and otherwise, what in the world is taking so long -- i mean, think about las vegas, bill. we still don't know the truth, the facts of that incident. >> lou, i'm sure you're concerned about this particular case. but the chief said there were three injured. the bottom line is he also emphasized the fact that no names of the victims are going to be released until the families are advised. have they been advised? i would think within five hours they've been advised. but that's a call on the scene. i think also, lou, not releasing the name of the subject who is in his 30s, the police don't

want anybody appearing at that home before they can get there, get a search warrant and execute the search warrant. they're being very careful but by the same token, that does create some confusion over the whole situation. i can appreciate where you're coming from on that. lou: i want to be clear. no one is more pro-law enforcement or appreciative of law enforcement than i am. but i am also highly sensitive to the public's right to know. and i am curious about what is becoming seemingly a new bureaucratic characteristic of law enforcement that i don't believe is healthy for either law enforcement or the public they serve. and it's deeply troubling. we've learned that this was a vendetta, apparently, against the capital newspaper and as was

pointed out, that's the hometown newspaper in annapolis. some kind of vendetta. we don't know what it was. but also troubling, within all that we don't know, was the announcement by their public information officer, bill, that they're not going to have any further information until tomorrow morning that they're going to share with the citizens of annapolis and the american public. >> lou, i think, you know, what they look at sometimes is in the past people have come out immediately after one of these shootings and started giving out information. law enforcement officers included. started giving out information that was wrong withi, incorrectt not. the pendulum has swung in the other direction where maybe it's taking far too much time to come out with this kind of information. hopefully it gets back into sync

again and these things are done. but i have to say that it's much better to withhold it, i think, than to say something and be wrong and to be wrong about that at the very beginning. i just -- i sympathize with the chief. i do. lou: i think we all do. but there's also a higher burden, if you will, because there's a higher standard. it's one thing to be safe. it's one thing to be professional. and it is one thing to be able to operate a sophisticated police department in this day and age. my gosh, there's just no technological reason, there's no communication reason one would think for there to be this extraordinary delay. as i say, i don't want to make that the story tonight. what i would love to be doing is making the story the instant response of law enforcement in this shooting and i'd like to know far more about the vendetta that they acknowledge was

carried out today with the targeting of the people at the capital newspaper. but they are making that impossible and that's deeply frustrating to me. we'll see where this all unwinds. bill, i'm going to give you the last word here. your thoughts as we're looking into another shooting, again one that it took the left in this country about a minute and a half to turn in to through the good offices of nancy pelosi a condemnation of the second amendment. >> lou, there's no justifying the kinds of comments nancy pelosi makes on almost anything, never mind just the gun lobby that she is so opposed to. i just think that in this particular case the police are taking their time to do the right thing, to make sure they have all of the information that

they can have. and while it might be frustrating, it, i think, is probably the better side of things than coming right out and saying things that later prove to be wrong. lou: i would just like truth to be quicker. how's that. bill gavin, thanks for being with us. former assistant director of the fbi joining us now, fox news anchor, cohost of "the five" ron lou: it's always a sad occasion when anyone loses their life. we just heard the annapolis authorities tell us what little they would. tell us first of all about this subject. we have seen a slow rolling from police departments and investigative agencies the likes of which we never witnesses

certainly at least in my career. and it gain it seems with the las vegas shooting. juan: that's what i was going to point to. we still don't know what prompted or motivated the las vegas shooterand we don't ea social media presence. in this case the police are going to the house. but you will notice from the prior press conference. there was no mention of a house or employer or school or anywhere that would indicate is he part of a conspiracy? where did he obtain these weapons? were they legal? illegal? maryland has strict gun control laws. but you know the chesapeake bay area. there are lots of hunters around, an used a long gun.

lou: they acknowledged it was a shotgun. juan: with big city shootings you are talking usually about handguns. i don't know if this young man had a grudge against the newspaper and got a relative's firearm. lou: the acting chief police said he was carrying out a vendetta against the news paper. is he mentally ill? we are now more than five hours away from the incident. it's just a stunning, stunning dearth of information and knowledge of facts here. juan: i heard you say you like the truth, but you want it to be speedier. lou: i'm an old police and fire

reporter from many years ago. i have seen this beat up close and personal. what i don't understand is a recalcitrant, reluctant law enforcement agency when they are dealing with it. i understand the pressure and politics and social media and the days in which i'm listening to a scanner. the fact of the matter is, they should be faster. they have better technology, better communications, and it's like they are afraid to make a mistake. juan: i think they are very afraid to make a mistake. not to point a finger at us. but we go 24/7. and if they tell us something wrong, they feel we'll lambast them. so they are trying to be cautious. but as an old police reporter. they don't want to inform

anybody who may decide to take a run and not give them information who maybe know something about this young man and is apparently a young man. lou: identified as late 30s. juan: that's young to me. lou: reaction of nancy pelosi like that. gun control, second amendment. doesn't know anything about the case. there is no hesitation about to make a mistake. juan: there isn't any question we are divide in this country. one of the issues is guns. most of americans believe in universal background checks and the like. but we have a terrific divide gag back to las vegas and parkland and think about that student movement that emerged obviously a hot button issue.

lou: and made so by those who benefit from the politicization of almost everything, whether it be the left or the right. but the shame here is to see public officials like pelosi start the nonsense without even a thought of respect to the victims, to their families without any knowledge of what was motivating the shooter. those are all relevant. and we learned over the course of most of of these shootings in which more than one life was taken, in almost every case, someone is mentally ill. juan: suppose i'm nancy pelosi sitting here and i say we have seen these mass shootings, and we as americans never respond. we can take some steps. the president even after the parkland shooting said he would implement changes and he backed off. lou: here is what i would say.

your friend barack obama is from the good town of chicago. toughest gun laws in the country. do you know how many people were killed over the weekend and shot up? lou: there are too many states next to illinois. and chicago. great reasoning. i am absolutely overwhelmed. juan: i appreciate being on the show. thanks, lou. lou: up next, continued coverage on this deadly newsroom shooting in annapolis. we'll have jason chaffetz here next to bring this insight and reaction. stay with us, we'll be right back. [thoughtful sigh] still nervous about buying a house? a little. thought i could de-stress with some zen gardening. at least we don't have to worry about homeowners insurance.

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lou: special counsel robert mueller has issued a subpoena for an aide to robert stone. it's an indication mueller's probe is focusing to some degree on roger stone. joining us tonight is jason chaffetz, former congressman from utah. i want to get your reaction, if i may, to this shooting in

maryland and five people dead. we are told by the mayor, the mayor of annapolis, gavin buckley, just said there are three wounded. and five would have been killed. the number of injured we have herd was as high as seven. so at least this is a far better number than that. the three wounded. your thoughts on the shooting itself. >> well, first of all, you have got five families that are dealing with something when they started the day, a beautiful day in the summer on the east coast, a beautiful city in annapolis. i can't imagine having to go through that. it sounds like law enforcement gave the proper training and put that in place and the raped response. these are men and women who step in the line of fire.

run into the situation, totally unlike what happened in southern florida. and you have got to be proud of those families. they put their lives on the line for just this moment. and it sounds like they did a wonderful job. but it's the shooter and the shooter alone that we need to blame. and we need to learn more about him or her as soon as possible. it sounds like it's a male. but let's learn what happened there. lou: the estimate response time is somewhere between 60 seconds and two minutes. any community in any part of this country would be so thrilled. sow proud and so grateful to have that kind of response time any time there was a god bid an incident like this. i want to turn to the development, a third associate of roger stone, on a day in which rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general and christopher

wray, the head of the fbi testifying before the house judiciary committee and giving the back of their hands to every one of those congressmen. i could almost hear james comey, his words again echoing through the chamber. we are an independent agency at the fbi. as if there were no congressional oversight. your thoughts? >> what we see coming out of the department of justice is so holy shameful, i have got to tell you, i have been there. i sat in congress for 8 1/2 years and i watched the department of justice give a stiff arm and lip service to congressional oversight. they all seem to say the right things. but when it comes to covering up documents, it d to coughing up documents, it's never there. i can't tell the difference

between this department of justice and the eric holder or loretta lynch department of justice. congress still does not have the documents from fast and furious. that's been going on for 10 years. behind the scenes i think the department of justice is trying to egg congress on to go to court. but congress is playing this one a little smarter in saying because if they go to court the doj can run out the clock for years. there are other things they can do like mark meadows and jim jordan and gates are talking about. hold them in contempt and work towards the impeachment of the senior most department of justice officials. that will get their attention. lou: we are almost two years. we are close to the halfway mark for this president. he has been hounded by this witch hunt. and he's correct to call it there in my judgment on the part of the special counsel.

the leadership of the house and senate has not been supportive. trey gowdy said it's time to wrapt damn thing up. but trey gowdy was saying he's so proud of the fbi. we have got sort after schizophrenic impulse on the part of gowdy. and the leadership of ryan and mcconnell is not animated at all. >> i agree with you on the speaker and the majority leader in the senate. on gowdy i'll take a little bit of difference with you there. i don't want to argue about the semantics of half of one sentence he said a couple weeks ago with an interview with martha maccallum. he has worn on his shirt sleeve how much he believes in law enforcement having been a prosecutor for a couple decades. i don't think you see anybody more passionate and worked up

about the animus and bias and the conflicts than trey gowdy. given his proximity and being able to see this stuff, he comes with as much credibility, he has bent over backwards to give them the benefit of the doubt. but when gowdy is telling you how tainted this stuff is, it should resonate with everybody. lou: typically i would not give you the last word in the midst of a dispute like this. but i like you so much i will let you have the last word. >> thank you, i will take it. jason chaffetz. thanks so much. the date for president trump's first summit with vladimir putin has been set. ambassador john bolton in moscow talking about vladimir putin establishing the date of july 16 in helsinki, finland. we are told president trump and

putin will be talking beautiful s.-russia relations. a range of national security issues will dominate that conversation. joining us tonight is former state department senior advisor under president trump, christian whiton. i have to say, this is one of the quickest establishments of a summit that i have ever witnessed. how about you? >> yeah. and the timing is great because it comes on the heels of what will probably be a pointless summit with nato the week before. president trump sent letters to all the nato leaders to go ahead them to fulfill the obligations they have made to spend 2%. we spend 3.7% of our gdp on defense. he'll do the same next month with russia.

lou: the press hasn't -- the left hasn't quite known how to respond. they are watching again this president do what he should be doing. he is setting up summits and meetings and establishing relationships with world leaders, despite the protestation of the left in this country. i'm very proud of him. >> there is a lot to be proud of. the left used to be in favor of diplomacy and smart power and soft power. trump is trying to give that a shot. it used to be a good thing to sit down with leaders. lou: christian whiton, hope you will join us again soon. up next, we are following this deadly shooting inside a maryland newsroom.

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in annapolis, maryland. the suspected shooter is in custody. police have not identified the man yet at this time. at least they have not revealed his identity. he is we are told being interrogated and police say they will not be providing additional information on the shooting or any developments in their investigation until tomorrow morning. joining us tonight. chad jenkins. great to have you with us. let's start with the fact that we are approaching circumstances hours after the -- approaching six hours after the shooting. we have not seen the families informed of the loss of their loved ones, five of them shot dead in that newsroom, and three others injured. your thoughts tonight? >> i any most of likely it would

be because of the notification of the next of kin. that would be my guess as to why we are not getting the information on the shooter. until the next of kin are notified, what a harder notification to do than let them know their loved one had been lost. if you put out the shooter's information and next of kin hasn't been notified. there might be some type of association. we know this sure it had some type of vendetta against the newsroom. that would be one of the reasons. but i can't say firmly that would be why they are withholding it right now. >> it's difficult to understand. i was discussing with juan williams. we have all of this technology. all of this superior communications equipment as well. and we think of identification as being something that should happen in a snap in

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under two minutes or less. my hat goes off to those folks, the law enforcement agents who responded. amazing. >> it really was. within 60 seconds to have that response to eliminate the threat, thank god they were there. to piggyback on your point. when jesus was talking about his second coming he said it will be like the days of noah. god said the world was full of violence. and we are seeing that. we can't be mystified and surprised by it. it's going to come and it's the light of jesus that can bring us hope. i put my hope only in that. lou: amane, chad jenkins. some advisers have hidden and layered fees. fisher investments never does. and while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not,

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now here is lou dobbs. lou: our top stories, five people killed in a shooting at amal his. a us -- at annapolis. a suspect in custody. police are tight lipped about the details and the motive for the shooting. we'll have live reports ahead. deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and fbi director christopher wray facing a grilling on capitol hill about out of control bias and corruption at upper reaches of the fbi and department of justice. >> who are we supposed to believe? staff members we worked wh