would cost american taxpayers $32.trillion over 10 years. thanks for being with us tonight. kennedy: president trump's attorney rudy giuliani has come out winging questioning the credibility of former trump attorney michael cohen calling him a liar and scoundrel. he secretly recorded conversations with the president while he was still a candidate. rudy giuliani has been making waves with a series television appearances the last couple days. let's go to edward lawrence. >> sources are saying the

president's current legal team are not allowing him to talk one-on-one with robert mueller. sources are telling fox news they are leaning no on the interview. there is concern legal experts say that the president's legal team may be worried there will be word game traps the president could fall into with the special counsel. talks are ongoing about special parameters for the interview with the president. giuliani is talking about the recordings michael cohen made their conversations. >> there are more recordings of other people having nothing to do with the trump organization which will give you an idea what a scaw scoundrel he was. two months ago i said pretty

nice things about him. reporter: giuliani said hearing at a personal attorney would record conversations without notifying the client changed his opinion of him. he said the possible payment being discussed on one of those recordings, regarding that specific payment he says collusion is not a crime. kennedy: michael cohen has recordings of the president, at least one recording, but are they legitimate? according to giuliani, the answer is no. >> there is no doubt one is cut off. it goes something like this. there's got to be financing. he said what do you mean, financing. cohen said we have got to pay. he said not by cash, cone says

no, no, no, but. >> and trump says check. immediately it's cut off. next thing you hear don juneor. but that's erased also. kennedy: who do you believe? it's not like a lawyer who secretly recorded his clients would lie to anyone. let me ask the host of "justice with judge jeanine." she is the author of "liars, leakers and liberals." let's talk about this a little bit. what stand out most of to you in this whole cohen i fiasco. the fact that he recorded the conversations? the fact that he seems to have edited them? or that they have been leaked in the middle of an ongoing

investigation? judge jeanine: we could spend 10 minutes on each one of those possibilities. as a judge i would rule on the authenticity of the tape and whether a foundation was laid for the admissibility of the tape. you would need a forensic expert look at them to make sure they weren't tampered with, you would have to have someone saying this is the original tape. is it a tape of a tape? and that's the kind of thing you bring in forensic experts for. rudy giuliani came on my show saturday night in breaking news, the first time he mentioned it. this type of thing is onlied a miss fibl they lay a proper foundation. they need the original or else you have to explain why there is a cutoff that is beneficial to the president. you have a guy recording a client. you can be disbarred for doing

that in some states. in new york it's a one-party state, but as a lawyer he did not. kennedy: what about attorney-client privilege? we hear about that in terms of the cohen raids on his home and office where he was poised as the victim. what about attorney-client privilege in regards to the tapes the fbi may have seized? judge jeanine: they had a master. judge kimball wood appointed judge barbara jones to look at the tapes and decide whether anything should be seen or which should be seen by the prosecutor. she made that decision. we have this tape that's been leaked to cnn. what does that tell you? it's not about the admissibility of the tape in a court of law. it's about the idea of impeaching the president and getting out there anything negative. maggie haberman said the

president didn't leak it. so lanny davis, the attorney for cohen. kennedy judge jeanine: you say to someone from the press, here is my phone, i am not going to tape-record it and put it in my draw. he lies and records it. you want to know why rudy giuliani changed his opinion from he's a decent guy to this guy is a pathological liar. he tells chris komo i'm not taping it, then he tapes it. the questioned were looking at him for a long time. why did he keep this tough. this is a guy who would confess to singing the titanic to get

out of the cross-hairs of the federal prosecutor. kennedy: loyalty is obviously very important to the president. here is a person he worked with for many many years and he thought this was his most of loyal and trusted. >> when somebody is in the cross-hairs of a federal prosecutor. when you are in their cross-hairs you will say anything. the fact that michael cohen has hadn't been charged with anything isn't the point. the feds say we have all these files, we know what you did. you give us something we won't charge or we'll charge you far far less. the only way to squeeze him is not to charge him saying we have got this on you. you have got kids. you don't want to go to prison for the rest of your life. kennedy: the president famously said i could southeast shoot someone on fifth avenue and my

supporters wouldn't turn on me. you seat michael avenattis and the michael cohens put something into the publi -- into the publc sphere to damage the president. and this continuing ongoing saga of investigations and personal turmoil, the president has not been impacted as far as approval ratings. judge jeanine: there isn't one metric that is worse off under this president. every metric is better off. you know business, you are on the business channel. you know we have more jobs than people to fill them. the president is more popular than he was before he met with putin. judge jeanine: with the electorate. kennedy: the people who hate him continue to hate him. what about those in the middle?

how are they affected. independent voters, suburban women? judge jeanine: i think for the independent or person in the middle who can be swayed, they say enough with the porn stars, what ever happened happened before the presidency. let's move on. i want to take care of my family and keep my family safe. i think they will see in donald trump a guy at the tip of the spear. kennedy: i want to ask about your book. just over an hour ago the president tweeted about her book saying congratulations to judge jeanine on the tremendous success of her new book, "liars, leaks, and liberals:the case against the anti-trump

conspiracy." jean require was number one on the "new york times" and "washington post" and amazon and barnes & noble. i'm grateful for that. the book is a refresh of what i have seen. this russia collusion investigation was a frameup of this president so he would be distracted. this man is a force of nature. he can come into a den of lions and come out with his suit and tie trait. kennedy: should people from fox go on ask the view"? judge jeanine: what happened to me on "the view" is a microcosm of what's happening in this nation. they think they have the right to shut down the right. it's time to recognize the

fastists are the people who are not -- the fascists are the ones not letting other people talk. judge jeanine: i walked off that set and said you know i have been working for americans and victims my whole life. i was very angry. i got thrown off the set and then got thrown out of the building at abc. i'm not there to be thrown out. the people i was with were very, very disturbed. it's not the way people treat people. i think if it had been the reverse i think the consequence would have been different. kennedy: edcard lawrence -- here

is giuliani. >> are you now yes or no on a sit-down between the president and robert mueller? >> first i'm no on a sit-down until we get ironed out exactly what they want to do. then the process is, we have five co-counsel, senior people, we'll advise the president. he's always fleeng favor of doing it. >> what are you telling him? >> right now i'm telling him no way. kennedy: will the president ever sit down for a one-on-one with mueller? let me ask andy mccarthy. there are two side to this. there is the legal side obviously and the president's legal team connelled him to not sit down with special counsel. americans are growing more dubious of the investigation but

they still want to hear what the president has to say because he's so adamant about his innocence. >> i don't think politically it will hurt him that much to say no. maybe i'm leaning on it this way because i'm a lawyer. the way i look at it, there is no downside to say no within there is lots of peril to say yes. he should not be put to this choice, kennedy. the justice department should step in here and make sure that before mueller even asks for this, and i guess we are past that point, he ought to be made to show that he's got a serious crime the president is implicated in and the president has information that he can't get from any other source. kennedy: you say those are the two special conditions the president's lawyer should meet? >> i would say so.

if they actually had a serious crime you would have fifth amendment privilege concerns. i don't think that's going on. to put it in a different context. imagine the president was a journalist. i think everybody would understand if a prosecutor tried to subpoena a journalist at a minimum you would have to show there is a serious crime and the journalist is the only repository or source of the information the prosecutor needed to make the case. it's hard for me to see why people can see that with a journalist but not with the president of the united states whose responsibility are obviously a lot more important. kennedy: we haven't heard a lot from special counsel. the american public doesn't really know what the parameters are of the investigation. do you get the sense that this investigator is looking for a crime? >> i think as long as the investigation is continuing they

are continuing to look for a crime. but we always have to remember two things with mueller. first, the fact that you are not hearing anything other than when he returns charges is a good thing. that's being responsible. and secondly, what i would say is with respect to the charges that have been filed, there is no indication that the original rationale for the investigation which is collusion with russia in which americans connected to the trump campaign conspire, it doesn't look like that will materialize. but mueller was given a counter-intelligence investigation to get to the bottom of what russia did. so as the investigation continues he's pursuing multiple angles. one is are there criminal cases against these people. but he does have this mandate to get to the bottom of russia's

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click, call or visit a store today. kennedy: during a joint press conference with the new italian prime minister at the white house today, he sent out a tweet about getting funding for the border wall. president trump: if we don't get border security after many, many years of talk within the united states, i would have no problem doing a shutdown. kennedy: lawmakers have until september 30 to pass a new spending bill. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says he's confident they can avoid a shutdown. is the president playing politics or is he willing to shut down the whole damn thing in his quest for a guarder wall? joining me, dr. sebastian gorka.

he is the author of the book "why we fight." welcome to the show. >> it's delightful to join you on your show, kennedy. kennedy: let's talk about shutting the government down. i always thought there was too much government. maybe a government mustdown is good because people will realize how you perealize -- how superft is. >> i live and work in swamp, and i can tell you it's delightful when the government shuts down. there is too much government. whenever it does shut down. everything seems to function anyway, but there is no traffic in d.c. i say bring it. this is the president, this is

donald trump being donald trump. don't test the man. but he's prepared to test congress. it's clear from the reaction by the gop, they are not serious. the wall and immigration reform was the first significant policy platform of his candidacy and he's serious about it. he says there is no red lines in terms of negotiating at that press conference with the italian head of state. but there is one red line. that's the wall. he'll never back down on the wall. and he'll get it sooner or later. the question is whether it's sooner or later. kennedy: how do democrats factor into this. obviously they want a deal for the dreamers. democrats said they would offer funding for the border wall if there was some sort of immigration fix for dreamers specifically. but both sides need to figure out what we are doing with

immigration policy in this country. where do democrats give? >> look what happened last time. the president offered a daca times 2. he had a guarantee for 1.6 million people to be normalized, and the democrats said no thanks. they don't want to solve these issues. they have been taken over by radicals. they don't act in good faith. look at the woman alexandria ocasio-cortez in new york. we have to resolve these issues i'm a legal immigrant to the united states. it took me three years and quite a bit of money to become an american citizen, and i'm a proud american citizen. i don't see why you get to jump to the head of the queue just

because you are here illegally. people who came here illegally never get citizenship. but you go to the back of the queue, kennedy. kennedy: i know amnesty is a sticking point. i want to switch to iran. the president made news saying he would meet with president rouhani in a no holds barred cage match. it seems that is one of the right civiles leveled at candidate obama. is this a good idea for this president? >> the issue of obama was the fact that he went on an apology tour as soon as he became president. kennedy: he's still on it, by the way. >> unfortunately. then he gives $140 billion to the iranians. sitting down with rouhani is

different than giving them $140 billion. i worked for donald trump. he'll sit down and talk to anybody if it is potentially good for americans and for national security and the international system. he's not -- he doesn't shut the door to anybody. look at what he did with little rocket man. he's the arch negotiator. he wrote the book "the art of the deal." he'll sit down but only if it's good for america. kennedy: who is the worst person on earth? >> right now in terms of mass murder, i would probably say assad of syria. kennedy: should the president sit down with him? >> if the goal is to stop the slaughter of more than 400,000 people, women and children, yeah. we had kennedy sit down with

khrushchev in vienna in 1962. we had american presidents sit down with stalin. so in the interest of the greater good such as defeating hitler, you can sit down with people you would hold your nose at. kennedy: i thought were going to say hillary. >> there are some red lines. kennedy: $323 trillion. -- $32 trillion. that's how much bernie sanders wants to steal from you for his medicare for all plan. the monologue is next. at fidelity, our online u.s. equity trades are just $4.95. so no matter what you trade, or where you trade, you'll only pay $4.95. fidelity. open an account today.

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kennedy: there is no doubt senator bernie sanders is well-intentioned with it comes to passion his medicare for all plan. this plan is nothing more than an expensive statist pipe dream. it's more like a pipe bomb that would blow up the economy. you can't unring the bell of entitlement. a cost benefit analysis found this would cost $32.6 trillion

over 10 years. even if you doubled tax collections from individuals and corporations, yes, that means you would be paying twice would do you in taxes, that still doesn't cold front the tab. sanders deride the findings as illegitimate and bias because the koch brothers supported merks rkadis in the past. the urban institute came up with a vastly different projection estimating the plan would only cost $32 trillion over 10 years. you mean it's the same tumor no matter how you dissect it? it's odd how math works. we know single payer doesn't work by turn to our sad veterans

hot care was so rationed that's died waiting for treatment. and this was to a group of people, many of whom fought for freedom. but they waited in vein. imagine how poorly the truly marginalized will be treated to whom the country owes no debt but generations will go in debt as grandma and generations will be left to die on the sidewalk of bernie care. about a third of senate democrats support bern christmas medicare for all. and 2/3 of house democrats support a similar bill. is the left serious about the $30 trillion fantasy? joining me, tim carney is back on the program. tell me, how does this math work. how do you support a plan that

requires by moderate and conservative estimates $32 trillion over 10 years. >> this is a conservative estimate. what they did to be generous to bernie was to say let's go along with your guess is this will create efficiencies and drive down the cost of prescription drugs and drive down the cost of some usage by healthcare and drive down administrative costs. they assume that to get to their 32. that's assuming a government program can do something more efficient than the market. i'm not a defender of the insurance companies, but i don't think that's necessarily a given. this isn't just about socializing healthcare. you check on the website of the democratic socialists of america where you are getting alexandria ocasio-cortez and these other

democratic candidates, and they say the reason to debate this is to heighten class con flirkts and question the idea of capitalism. i go further it's to stick the government into the deepest recesses of everybody's life. kennedy: we raise concerns about civil liberty violations in terms of fisa. imagine how the government could violate you if they were in control of every aspect of your healthcare. >> think about the politics of that. every donut you eat i the taxpayer am paying for it. that gives me the right to say no more donuts. the tobacco lawsuit was based, it was the state suing the cigarette company based on the expenditures through medicaid. once everything is covered by

the government, they have the right to control what you eat and how many kids you have. all that will be the legitimate interest of the government. kennedy: look at canada and how long it takes to get treatment. it can be 13 weeks in some cases that those who who need treatment from specialists have to wait that long for government healthcare to kick in for them. americans want choice and sometimes when you want choice you will pay more for it. innovation is a critical component. people will not live as long agriculture and we won't find the treatments others desperately need. >> the rest of the world is free riding on fact we are doing innovation. there are a couple countries doing the innovation and the

other countries get to benefit from it. if you clamp down on the innovation in the u.s., necessity don't have anyone they can ride on. kennedy: president trump tweeted had an interesting meeting at the white house with a.j. sulzberger of the "new york times." fake news has morphed into phrase, enemy of the people. the president railed against quote the failing "new york times" and the amazon "washington post." are the president's attacks on the media actually dangerous? here to discuss, carley shimkus and lawrence jones, and america rising pac executive director

alex smith is back on the show. i'll tal talk with you about th. the right of a free press is the right of the first amendment and the bill of rights. the president knows his base is distrustful of media organizations that seem to relentlessly attack the president. but there has to be a separation here and there has to be some value in allowing a free press to challenge this in every administration. >> you do support the press. it's their job to do this. i don't think you should bar journalists from the white house. i didn't like the when they did to it fox news and when they do it to conservative outlets. but the press have gone the themselves in a pickle because they have become activists. they can't get upset when the press attacks back at them when they throw blame bombs.

then when it shifted in the general election it shifted. kennedy: i remember talking about that with various people saying just wait and see what happens. they love him now because they think he's beatable. once's the nominee it will be different. it seems there is a concerted effort. how do we still maintain a free press and bush back on some of the editorial narratives that seem to be personal axes to grind. >> the conversation about is what the president doing dangerous? that's a bit of a stretch. it's not calling for violence. he's calling out we sees as biased media coverage. though the president is an off the cuff guy be he should watch his words when he tweets because

his tweets hold a lot of weight. because word can cause a crazy person to do something. that line is a fine one and we are trying to walk it in a new way that we never have before. >> a great example of this, america rising through freedom of information laws, we requested the records from where the chevy chase county executives where brett kavanaugh's wife works. they were asking for specific terms related to her. abortion, guns. what kind of stories do you think they were looking to write about judge kavanaugh and his wife. through social media and transparency we are able to spread that counterbalance more efficiently. kennedy: sometimes there is a difference between journalism

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kennedy: senate any north leader chuck schumer has been urging red state democrats to oppose kavanaugh's nomination. kavanaugh met with senator joe manchin and while it was his first meeting with a democrat it won't his last. indiana senator joe donnelly will meet with kavanaugh. at this point opposing him could cost red state democrats dearly in november. is chuck schumer running a fool's end? carley shimkus, lawrence jones and alex smith.

alex, this is a curious position. there are three democrats who voted to confirm neil gorsuch, and that wasn't even right before the mid-terms. now you have senators in north dakota * and west virginia will kavanaugh is a popular choice. you have chuck schumer trying to get them to shut down the nomination. >> they think this akin of analyzing the politics of a middle cool schoolyard. joe manchin bragged about hoist was suppose to be a half-hour meeting and turned into a two hour meeting. but he said that as he was on the way to chuck schumer's office. the democrats at this point in the cycle could afford to lose more than just the three they did on justice gorsuch's

nomination. someone like claire mccaskill, they are going back to their constituents empty handed opposing the president on healthcare and tax reform and gorsuch. kennedy: you have also got people like jon tester and others -- and manchin said chuck, don't tell me what to do. i have to make up my mind, i have to talk to this guy. we have to talk about his opinions he has written about. it seems like kavanaugh will be confirmed. >> there is a lot of stuff i don't agree with him. he seems a little soft on the 4th amendment. and he deserves pushback. but man chins worried about his political career and he'll vote for him. because it's suicide.

a lot of people who held their nose and voted for donald trump because of the supreme court. if you want to get them rallied up' vote for the nomination. >> you could make a case for holding a pity party for the red state democrats in an impossible situation. when you are in that no-win political situation, i think people should take politics out of it. he's saying listen. he's saying i'm going to base my decision on if kavanaugh is qualified. kennedy: he released a statement saying i asked him questions you posed to me. he had an email where people can send him questions for kavanaugh. >> what rand paul said which i thought was smart. he's basing his nomination on the totality of their views rather than one thing.

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