[closing bell rings] that will do it for us here on "countdown to the closing bell." nasdaq trading higher for the third day in a row. we've seal you tomorrow on the "claman countdown". >> something very interesting. market closes high for the day. a lot of activity, positive earnings, trade developments as investors see it. we end up higher by just under 90 points. s&p and nasdaq also in the green. i'm connell mcshane filling in for david asman. melissa: i'm melissa francis. this is "after the bell." we have more on big market movers. here is what else we're covering during this very busy hour ahead. honoring those who kept to keep america safe. the president just wrapping an event at the white house praising i.c.e. and border patrol agents and slamming movement led by some on the left to abolish i.c.e. we are live at the white house with the latest. and we'll speak with brandon

judd, president of the national border patrol council. that's coming up. we were talking about the shares of tesla turning around in just the past hour on brand new headlines crossing the wires. we'll break those down for you from the newsroom. president trump rolling back more obama era regulations. we're on the ground at a coal-fired power plant for the latest developments on a plan to help revive the coal industry. connell. >> a lot to wrap up the day with the dow starting off the week with a win boosted by shares of boeing, nike and johnson & johnson. susan li today covering it all at the new york stock exchange. hey, susan. >> hey, connell. we're very close to record levels once again for major averages. we should point out pretty thin volume as we are in the august vacation days. we're about 200 million of shares below the average volume for the year. so that is a third down. meantime look at the individual movers. look within on pepsico today.

a bold move at the end of the drain nouyyi end of her at the helm for pepsico. paying for sodastream. this extends her legacy and strategy to get into healthier alternatives. sodastream is home personalized carbonated drink maker. ideally you get to manage the amount of sugar that goes into the drinks. that might be good for the consumer. sodastream up 82%. tripling forecast. not a bad choice for pepsico. let's look at apple. apple today, we're up again for the stock again, near record levels. pulling 25,000 apps, they call illegal apps from the app store in china. of they have been receiving bad press in the chinese state media this month. who accused them of allowing illegal gambling and lottery

apps that have caused a lot of chinese citizens money. that is what they're doing now. airline stocks. interesting rotation taking place in the markets. rotations into the industrial sectors. transport stocks. in fact the dow jones transport sector, subsector hit a record today. airlines part of that. you have united. also american airlines and jetblue rallying in the session. guys, this is important. we have the transport sector, whether railroads, airlines and trucking gains, that is indicative of a robust economy. guys back to you. >> thank you, susan, good to see you. meantime word rate hikes will cool off the robust economy, president trump is reported to complain about the federal reserve recent move to raise interest rates. this was at fund-raising event out in the hams tons that "the wall street journal" and other publications reported on. adam lashinsky from fortune, a fox news contributor is here.

lindsey bell, with us, cfra investment strategist. adam, your first take on this. federal reserve, we've known about it and talked about it for years at least independent entity. recent history presidents don't like to talk about what they see but rules different this time around. do you have an issue with it? >> i do. where to start. stick with the federal reserve and interest rates, shame on me, for not having known this, in turkey the president has great control over the interest rates and over the central bank, we see how well that is working for the president of turkey. very good thing the federal reserve be independent politically. that is why all previous modern presidents have treated it as such. >> it brings up an interesting point that adam talks about lindsey, for example in turkey if they were to raise rates a lot of people would say they could get out of their issues easier than they are going down but here in the united states it is not up to the president whether or not to raise rates. do you think his commentary will

have any effect? we're a few days ahead of jackson hole, that big fed symposium, out there, on current fed chairman jay powell. >> i think that is to be determined and i think most market participants really believe in and respect the central bank's independence and we hope it remains that way. we'll hear from like you said fed chair jerome powell on friday. the market i think is especially looking to hear from them, you know we're not going to turn too hawkish but we know from the beginning of the year powell had wanted to get in front of inflation, unlike what they're doing in turkey. powell said he wanted to raise rates to get ahead of potential inflation overheating. we haven't seen that yet. he has done a good job. we don't want him to get too hawkish. will end this bull run. melissa: stick around, guys. breaking news on tesla. reports reveal some of the carmaker's suppliers are worried about being paid. elon musk is defending more of his outlandish actions as

criticism against the tesla ceo grows. kristina partsinevelos live from the newsroom with the latest. >> yeah, there was recent survey sent privately to the suppliers by the automotive suppliers association. this is coming out on the dow jones. 18 out of 22 suppliers asked, said tesla is financial risk to their companies. there are some complained they have not been paid. others have even stretched out payments or asked for cash-backs and rebates. however i point out these suppliers are a small portion of the entire group of suppliers that contribute to tesla vehicles. also coming on the wire, cash fell to $1.69 billion in the first six weeks of third quarter. musk promised he will improve cash for the third quarter. let's go on with other news we're seeing with tesla throughout the day. one entrepreneur from another, arianna huffington telling musk you need to get some rest, musk

saying i'm not buying it. huffington said on her wellness blog a few hours after "the new york times" article came out, elon the future of tesla depends on coming up with your masterpiece. it doesn't depend how many hours you're awake. you remember he stayed up 120 hours throughout the week to work. she continued you're demonstrating horrible efficient way of using human energy this is great way for her to promote her blog. musk did respond in a tweet saying ford and tesla are the only two american car companies to avoid bankruptcy. then he continued on. i got home from the factory. you think this is an option. it is not. to point out he sent the email and tweet at 2:30 a.m. pacific time. analysts have been weighing in on this you're seeing stock drop quite a bit on friday because of a "new york times" report. sec potentially meeting with tesla's board this week. you had two major analysts weigh in today. first one being jpmorgan.

ryan brinkmark, who on august 8th had a price target for tesla $308 where we see it today. he slashed that to $195. he believes the stock will fall based on i quote, fundamentals alone. he still doesn't believe the company could potentially go private. he is not sold on that. that sentiment is echoed by citi. citigroup also put out an analyst report today stating that they too believe that companies should have neutral, high-risk rating on tesla shares, saying that you're seeing a deteriorating balance sheet. that they are still concerned that tesla has not proven any secured funding. we know tesla has alluded to the saudi sovereign wealth fund. however a new report came out today from reuters saying sources told them. that saudi, the sovereign wealth fund is looking into investing in an inspiring tesla rival, that would be lucid motors. you have lack of funding. you have got tesla, sec

investigation. you have got lawsuits. and no serious take private plan for the board. all facing elon musk at this moment in time. melissa: that's a mess. kristina, thank you. >> thank you. melissa: adam, lindsey are back to react. adam, at the very least elon musk at this point is looking incredibly reckless. sounds like the saudis have him over a peril. maybe they, no pun intended. maybe they were talking to him about taking private at one point. you know, he put himself out there with the tweet. now they have all the leverage. yikes, what do you think about this? >> you know, i wrote this morning that he is like, he is the epitome of an immature executive ceo who is distracted. he needs to focus on one thing right now, which is making cars. so he should shut up about absolutely everything else. by the way, the hubris of saying tesla and ford are the only two american car companies didn't go

bankrupt, those other car companies have been around for a century. his company hasn't been a mature auto company for one economic cycle. gives you a sense of for all of his greatness, how disconnected he is, which is frightening. melissa: lindsey, it is frightening. he said the only two hasn't gone bankrupt. he hasn't turned a profit. what is he talking about? why is he on twitter at 2:30 in the morning. god forbid he is at the the factory that late. he doesn't need to be on twitter. >> i agree. he has to get off twitter. he has been adamant avoiding raising capital in the open markets, which is part of why he wants to go private here. but the fact of the matter is, the news came out today, it is positive saying that he will have cash and he will be cash-flow positive at the end of this quarter. how long can that last. >> nothing good happens on twitter at 2:to in the morning or anywhere for that matter. >> another story on trade.

these tariff hearings are underway on the $200 billion of worth of chinese good we've been talking about. so let's go straight to edward lawrence with the details surrounding the hearing. edward, what do you know? reporter: connell a slew of unhappy business owners and managers going into the public hearing. almost everybody going in there has been against imposing tariffs. the u.s. trade representative is holding public hearings into this week and next week. the tariffs could go into effect anytime after september 5th. anything from beauty products to seafood to printers ink. the company is trying to outline how $200 billion tariffs of chinese goods at 25% would hurt their company. the tariffs could go knee effect anytime after september the 5th. i spoke to nicole who is a member of the national marine manufacturers association. said that the boats their

manufacturers make have thousands of parts like a house. if you tariff them at 25% that adds a lot of cost. what could a prolonged tariff do? >> we're concerned about job losses. we're concerned about what that could do to the u.s. manufacturing industry. they are small margins. they can do only so much so be a to be the cost. we're getting hit from every angle. if we want u.s. boats made and manufactured these tariffs could have real impact on these businesses. reporter: as this discussion goes on, china is paying, companies are paying steel and aluminum tariffs. another $50 billion in tariffs will go into effect later on this week, on thursday actually. we're talking about 34 billion that went knee eke if the june june 15th. another 16 billion set to go into effect this week. president's economic advisors believe they can go after china using tariffs because the u.s.

economy is doing so well. on wednesday for the first time since june, chinese officials will sit down with u.s. officials to talk about trade. a chinese vice minister of commerce will be here. they will talk with treasury officials to talk about a framework going forward for a potential meeting that will happen between president donald trump and president xi of china later on in november. connell. >> that would be a big one. edward, thank you, let's take edward's last point to our panel as both adam and lindsey are still with us. lindsey go to you first. edward reporting on the argument that the administration used to say we're in a better position to be doing this because our economy is so strong. a nabe survey came out over 90% of the economists they surveyed tariffs and trade policy would be harmful to the economy. i get the question is over time frame. are we anywhere close to being at a point where they would be, you know causing some harm we can measure? >> yeah. i mean it would definitely take

time for it to be felt within the economy. you're seeing steal and aluminum tariffs by a lot of companies. we heard that with most recently quarterly earnings resolved. this is a great way to kill the momentum that we do have in the economy. because it's a tax on the consumer. the con oompher can only withstand so much, so much of an increase in prices. >> almost goes back to the earlier discussion we were having about federal reserve, adam, what will slow down the economy. you know, some would suggest maybe the president should look at his own policies here, whether those would be the things that would slow doesn't economy as opposed to a fed chairman's actions? >> so i agree completely. the economic figures that we see are classic lagging indicators. they're showing you what the economy has done and the economy has done extremely well. not only tariffs a tax on consumers, because they are going to wreak havoc with the global supply chain, that american companies have led for the last several decade, it is

going to be a tax on those companies too. obviously with the exception of the ones that directly benefit. >> right. >> many more don't benefit from these tariffs which are taxes, which are generally a bad idea unless they're imposed very carefully. so i think, i think it is absolutely reckless. >> by the way, sort of related comments, we'll get to this coming up in a few seconds, president made more comments about the fed chairman in new interview he has done. that is coming up. adam, lindsay, thank you for your time. we appreciate it. melissa: reckless, unless it ends in better deal all the way around. then we'll say i told you so. we'll see. we may soon learn the fate of former trump campaign chairman, paul manafort. the jury in the third day of deliberations. they could deliver a verdict any moment. we're live from the courthouse. top intelligence officials are speaking out against former cia director john brennan, he threatened to sue the white house to prevent the president from stripping more

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connell: breaking news. the president apparently did an interview today with reuters n that interview he revealed he custodies agree with the federal reserve's decision to start raising interest rates saying he is quote, not thrilled, with the actions taken by the man you're looking at the chairman he appointed, jerome powell. president says the chairman should be more accommodating. in interview he said whether he support as an independent fed, the president said he believes the fed doing what is good for the country. that is part of a reuters interview with trump. melissa: president honors i.c.e. officials, border patrol and other members of congress for a panel discussion on quote, life saving and law enforcement mission of the cpb, sorry about that agents and i.c.e. officers. hillary vaughn is at the white house with the latest. hillary? reporter: hey, melissa. the president really using this event today as his opening argument against the democrats,

headed into the midterm election, calling them out multiple times in his remarks today for what he calls a movement, that they are pushing, the abolish i.c.e. movement, saying that they have, their actions and this movement they're pushing forward has had dangerous consequences on these agents and their families. >> we're building the wall, step by step, and it is not easy because we have a little opposition called the democrats. i guess they just don't mind crime. they don't mind crime. it is pretty sad. reporter: over 150 officials, agents, joined several law enforcement officers and state officials today, including dhs secretary kirstjen nielsen. the president saluting them, calling them patriots, heroes, acknowledging that the work they have done just in the last year apprehending criminal aliens, saying they have successfully arrested in 2,017,125,000 individuals that had, were

convicted of crimes from assaults to sexual offenses to weapon offenses and homicides. the president also bringing this back to the democrats saying that a blue wave in the midterm election means more crime and open borders saying that the critics of this fight against illegal immigration are stupid. >> we will never let you down. and i will also say, you're talking about the vast majority, i don't mean like 51%, like 88%, 93%, i've seen numbers. they're all with you. just a small group that gets a lot of publicity because they have no courage. they have no guts. they just have big loud mouths. and we don't want to put up with that. and i just want you to know that you're loved. you're loved and you're respected. reporter: so the president making an end to what he calls a smear campaign on behalf of the democrats headed into the midterms making it clear today that he supports i.c.e. and plans to move forward with his mission to combat illegal

criminals and crime and drugs from crossing the border. melissa? melissa: thank you. connell: here to react to all this, brandon judd, president of the national border patrol council. good to have you on the show today. as hillary talked about, seemed to be a couple of goals for the president at today's white house event. possibly raising the morale of some of these i.c.e. officials and others that had to deal with negative coverage of what they have been doing but also he said to set up his argument on midterm elections for immigration. do you think what he did today was effective, what the president did today in. >> most everything he has done as far as immigration goes is effective. what he is shining a spotlight on the problem and until we solve that problem we're going to continue to discuss this issue. illegal immigration continues to rage. the amount of drugs that cross the border continues to flow

across, almost unfettered. in my 21-year career as a border patrol agent i can tell you that we discussed this issue year in, year out but we finally have a president that is actually trying to do something about it. connell: also have the political on sig here. that is where midterm elections come into it. some, on the, on the left of the democratic party, the far left of the democratic party made a point now of suggesting that i.c.e. as an agency should be abolished. so i guess the question someone with your experience would be, what would happen if? what would happen if something like that were to actually occur? >> well, if you abolish i.c.e., you might as well a abolish the border patrol as well. if we don't have the second-tier to patrol the interior of the border, to find those individuals were able to elude the border patrol, you're just not going to have border security. border security is an issue that the vast majority of the public

wants. until we address this issue and we stop using rhetoric like abolish i.c.e., a law enforcement agency keeping our citizens safe, you know, it is frankly it is crazy. connell: show you a couple things before i let you go on the screen. i mention there is negative coverage of the president's immigration policies. in the network news according to recent study, 92% of the coverage was negative. that is part of it. the other thing that has come up, why is that happening? obviously some could be plain old media bias. other people say, well, what about the border separation issue, the separation of children from their parents? still 565 children in custody, not eligible for reunification were not reunited with their parents, although most were before that. what do you make of that issue, @, hurt morale or hurt the overall coverage of people who are otherwise doing such good things you described them before? >> well, i don't think that the morale of the border patrol

agents will be hurt by the far left media. it just isn't going to happen. we know we have the support that we need in order to get the job done. we also know that everything is going to be nitpicked. everything will be put under a microscope that this is something that president trump advocates and wants. because of that we know we'll be caught in the middle. we're willing to accept that we're willing to continue to do our job and do our jobs well thanks for coming on, brandon. good to see you. melissa: we have more breaking news right now. headlines coming from the president's interview with reuters. the president saying he does not anticipate very much will come from the china trade talks this week in washington. managing expectations there. he also says that he has no time frame for ending the china trade dispute. we will be keeping an eye on how this news impacts the markets tomorrow of course. connell: those, meetings this week, anyways, seemed to be more of a set up for down the road. melissa: interesting. more of low-level folks to

hammer out details. connell: that is true. that is true. funny to see it on the front end, as opposed to back end. meantime powering up the coal industry. the interesting story that the trump administration making a big push to keep coal plants open. we'll tell you what steps they are taking next. melissa: calling out bruce ohr. the president putting pressure now on attorney general jeff sessions to fire the justice department official with connections to that anti-trump dossier. he still works there? ♪ u'd be better off throwing your money right into the harbor. i'm gonna regret that. with liberty mutual new car replacement we'll replace the full value of your car. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty ♪

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melissa: rolling obama era regulations. jeff flock outside after coal plant in illinois giving new details after plan by president trump. jeff. reporter: roll back regulations to put them in the hands of states instead of federal government. he is doing a lot for coal.

if you remember bankruptcies in the coal patch. well, if you look at peabody now, over the course of the past year, 50% return for peabody shareholders. your much coal up almost 20% over the past year. tough road to hoe for coal. consumption is consistently down not only before president trump's administration, but also president obama's administrations going back a dozen years. we were a billion short tons a year of consumption. we're down around 700 million. you know the fact is, natural gas right now, much cheaper, cleaner-burning. tough to compete. our exports though are up. the president has had some luck there, increasing exports by between three and 4% year-to-date, this year, compared to 2017. you know, coal miners, they love their jobs. not so much because they have to go underground for days on end and not see the sun or get exposed to black lung, they love

the jobs because they pay so well. helps them feed their families. the problem is now with gas cheap it is tough to compete even with help of the president. he is trying to fulfill a campaign promise. it is one of the reasons he won almost all the coal states. the nation's number one coal state is montana. not on the map there. in that mid-atlantic states, he won them all exempt for virginia, and you know he is trying to fulfill a campaign promise. the question is, with the market forces the way they are, melissa, you have to put a pretty heavy thumb on the scale to compete with natural gas right now for electric generation. melissa: very true, jeff. all right, thank you. president trump will be taking his new plan to the heart of coal country, holding a rally in west virginia tomorrow night. fox business will bring it to you live, starting at 7:00 p.m. eastern. connell: that is a big state in the midterms. considering legal action meantime, escalating battle between john brennan and the president. the former cia director

revealing he is thinking about taking the president to court over security clearances. plus president trump launching more attacks on robert mueller. how he is comparing the russia probe to mccarthy era tactics. ♪

connell: more breaking news as we look through the president's interview that he conducted today with reuters. president trump saying that it

is dangerous when companies like twitter regulate their own content. this comes after the backlash for twitter and other social media companies for censoring conservative accounts and the like. there are more headlines coming out of this interview. we'll continue to look through it. we talked about the fed earlier. we'll give you more, president trump with reuters. >> if my clearances and my reputation as i'm being pulled through the mud now, if that is the price we're going to pay to prevent donald trump from doing this against other people, to me it's a small price to pay. so i am going to do whatever i can personally to try to prevent these abuses in the future. if it means going to court, i will, i will do that. melissa: pull through the mud or dove into it head first? former cia director john brennan defending his actions he is willing to take president trump to court over losing his security clearances but james clapper, former director of

national testimony against doesn't necessarily agree. >> john is sort of like a freight train and he is going to stay what is on his mind. john and, his rhetoric have become, i think, an issue in and of itself. melissa: here to react, daniel hoffman, former moscow cia chief, fox news contributor. daniel, what do you make of this? do you think he has a chance to sue to get his clearance back? he admittedly lied to congress and all kinds of things? >> yeah. i frankly just wish this would go away. all i can tell you, from having spent so much of my career overseas and much of it tracking soviet and then russian intelligence, the guys who are celebrating the most right now are in the kremlin. i'm sure vladmir putin is hosting a vodka party, celebrating how well his influence campaign effectively injected a virus into our political system which john brennan in my view at least is amplifying unsubstantiated claims how putin could blackmail

the president. calling the president guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors based on the president's performance in helsinki. melissa: you don't think i take it, those opinions are accurate? >> not only would i say they're not accurate, john brennan had no facts to back them up f he did, why doesn't he not repeat them on msnbc? instead bring them to the prosecutor, do it in private. when he speaks publicly about this, especially without any facts, our own citizens are listening but equally as important, foreign governments and foreign spies whom we rely for intelligence, stealing secrets on our behalf, and that, they would rightly question could trust our government with the secrets they have listening to john brennan. brennan says he knows something with wink and a nod, knows something about the president and based on fact that he has

security clear answer and head of the cia. melissa: russia putting military on high alert ahead of massive war games now with china mongolia. they say it will be the largest show of force since the early '80s. this as putin says he wants to improve relations to the u.s. what do you make of these various crosscurrents coming out of russia right now? >> russia and china are talking about a strategic partnership. even though i think they are long-term competitors for sure, they both agree, that, they want to reduce the united states influence in the region, in asia, specifically in the korean peninsula. they would like to reduce, if not eliminate all together our military presence in the region. they want to prevent any sort of regime change in north korea. this is all about russia, first and foremost i think showing that partnership with china. it is also important for vladmir putin to. in terms of messaging his own

people, he needs to show that his military standing up for russia, against foreign enemies, that is what his regime security really depends on. melissa: daniel, thank you for your insight. we appreciate your time. hope you come back soon. >> thank you. connell: this is some story. reunited after more than 65 years, hundreds of south koreans crossing a heavily-guarded border to their neighbors in the north where they meet again with family. they were separated from during the crowian war. fox news -- korean war. fox news's benjamin hall with the story from london. reporter: these reunions are incredibly symbolic. they are a sign of relations between the two koreas. they are controlled and selective. north korea only puts forth family loyal to the regime to take part. the reunion came after 300 south koreans from 89 families crossed into the north. most are parents and children or siblings who were split up at the end of the korean war, they

haven't seen each other since. or had any contact in over 65 years. some torn apart while fleeing. they will spend three days in north korea. will only be with the relatives a few hours each day. in total, 11 hours together, heavily supervised. north korea does not want its people to get better awareness of the outside world. for many this is the last chance to meet. more than 75,000 of the 132,000 south koreans to applied to participate in the reunion sadly died. these reunions are inherently political. for years the north used them as bargaining chris when times are good. since president trump held out the historic summit in singapore, relations improved massively with the u.s. and south korea. even though progress has been slow on the key issue of denuclearization. these reunions may be emotional and positive gestures but they mean nothing without further commitment to denuclearization which the u.s. is after. there is another summit planned

between kim jong-un and in pongyang in september. then and there they hope real progress will be made. in london. benjamin hall. fox news. connell: good story. we have breaking news. melissa: breaking headlines over the president es --'s interview there will be no concessions with turkey overpass store brunson. the president thought he had interview to free the pastor. going on to say quote, very sad what turkey is doing. i think they're making a terrible mistake. connell: no concessions. free the pastor first, then we'll talk. talk about what the president is saying. manafort trial continues. waiting for jury's verdict. third day of deliberations. it's a financial trial for paul manafort. we'll bring you the latest. next.

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melissa: those headlines keep on coming. president trump telling reuters he would consider lifting u.s. sanctions on russia if moscow were open to taking steps to work with the united states on issues surrounding syria and ukraine. bring you more of these headlines as soon as we get them. connell: covering a lot of ground. jury is still out in alexandria. jury weighing on paul manafort's trial in third day of deliberations. 18 different counts relating to tax fraud and evasion. peter doocy with the latest. reporter: manner that for the defense team, all of them, walked into the courtroom. they got a call, time to go back to court up on the ninth floor. we don't know if the jury sent a note. we don't know if the judge wants to talk to them. there are no cell phones in the court. we have to wait for somebody to take the elevator down to run out tell us what is going on.

the only other update was from the judge first thing this morning. he said that the jurors names will remain under seal. he wanted to remind the court he ruled against a bunch of news outlets filed a motion to intervene, seeking names of jurors and transcripts from bench conferences released before a verdict comes down. ellis says not only subjects jurors to threats like he received, but jurors would be scared and afraid to serve on juries like this in high-profile cases if he knew their i.d.s would not stay secret forever. the jurors who had been seated in the aim spots for the first two plus weeks in the trial, came in and sat in different places today. that is something that was noticeable. we don't know what that means. we don't know why the manafort defense team was called in. could be something. could be nothing. connell: keep an eye out for this, peter doocy in the courthouse. melissa: speaking of which. taking on the mueller

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melissa: president trump taking on mueller again. the commander-in-chief comparing the probe to mccarthyism, tweeting quote, studied the late joseph mccarthy we're in a period of mueller and his gang make joseph mccarthy look like a baby. rigged witch-hunt. here to react, brad blakeman, former george w. bush senior staffer. i don't know, this one may be a bridge too far, what do you think? >> it's a bridge too far, but i get what the president is saying. look there is nothing worse than government abuse, overreach, power of government, power after special counsel is one that can wield tremendous power. and, never seems to end. it costs a lot of money.

the original charge of the special counsel is to get to the bottom of whether there was collusion. criminal collusion between any american to influence the elections of 2016. so far we've seen nothing. all we've seen is are witch hunts i have to agree as far as the original collusion, but also, ancillary charges like what is going on with manafort in in in alexandria, virginia. i get the president's frustration. basic tenet in the law, justice delayed is justice denied. get what you're supposed to do and close up the tent and go home. melissa: there are many ways to interpret the latest wrinkle, the idea of white house counsel bill mcgahn testifying 30 hours on one side. people pointing out from the "new york times" article he said he was felt like he was free to

say anything that he needed to. he wasn't being held back by the president. he also said according to the article, we don't know, according to a leak to "the new york times" that he has never seen the president exceed his authority. on the other hand you see people interpreting it as the president throwing the white house counsel under the bus, he felt like he needed to go there to kind of escape being the scapegoat. i mean those things are so diametrically opposed. how do you interpret what you see coming out of that particular wrinkle? >> unless you're in the room, unless you're participating in the meetings you don't know what is going on from the meeting. you can take away from the meeting, spin it any way you want to without fact the fact he is leaking, the team supposed to be unleakable. there shouldn't be any leaks at all. "new york times" reporting things that don't to to the substance. all they're tilling us mcgahn has been deposed for 30 hours.

may sound like a lot. not really when you look at the territory that has to be covered in this investigation. the fact that the president even allowed him to testify, he could have exerted a privilege over his counsel. the courts have held that the president's counsel has a privilege that is owed to the president. so, if the president has something to hide he could easily have told mcgahn and the pro force you can not question the counsel. it would have wound up court but the president would have won. melissa: at the same time when mcgahn goes to testify, in a lot of ways that insulates the president from having to do it. what could you have to ask him that his counsel wouldn't have already answered? >> that's a very good point. the fact is the president has a lot on his plate. and, unless there is something serious where they actually need the president's attention rather than want it, then they

shouldn't get it. the president should have those around him cooperate as needed. but again, it's a needs versus want. prosecutors want the world. the question is what do they actually need. melissa: true. i'm not sure that is helping. with the tweeting. maybe not in this case. connell: miracle on market street. the story behind one family's belief a kiss from the pope healed their baby's brain tumor. stick around for this. ♪

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and seeing her do the things that she's doing with what they told us from the beginning is amazing. >> how about that. that's the way to wrap up an hour. melissa: absolutely. what a miracle. that does it for us. "the evening edit" starts right now. any politician who puts criminal aliens before american citizens should find a new line of work, because it's not going to work. it means crime, it means open borders. not good. they will not stand for the vile smears, the hateful attacks and the vicious assaults on the courageous men and women of i.c.e., border patrol and law enforcement. we will protect those who protect us. >> president trump honoring the work of i.c.e. and border patrol today, saying their efforts to keep america safe aren't always appreciated. jackson county sheriff a.j.