kennedy: president trump and former cia cheech john brennan on a legal collision course. brennan says he might sue over his revoked security clearance and the president says, brit, boy. the president took away his precious clearance. this weekend brennan swung back calling the president's behavior treasonous. he since walked that back a little bit. but also told chuck todd he's exploring his leg options. >> i have been contacted by a number of lawyers and they have

given me their thoughts about the basis for a complaint, injunction to try to prevent him from doing this in the future. if my clearances and my reputation as i'm being pulled through the mud. if that's the price we are going to pay to prevent donal done frm doing this other people, it's a small price to pay. i will do what i can to try to prevent these abuses in the future. if it means going to court, i will do that. kennedy: the president saying i hope john brennan, the worst cia director in our country's history brings a lawsuit. it will be easy to get his records, texts, emails and documents to show not only the poor job he did, but how he was involved with the mueller rigged witch hunt. he won't sue. rudy giuliani doubling down. he tweeted, john brennan,

president trump granted our request to handle your case after threatening if you don't it would be just like obama's rid lines. the former director of national intelligence, james clapper. >> john is like a freight train and he's going to say what's on his mind. john and his rhetoric have become i think an issue in and of itself. kennedy: will brennan sue the president over his security clearance? and if so, then what happens? joining me now from fox news at night, shannon green. shannon -- shannon bream. remind me to ask you a question about something on twitter later. first up, what would the basis be for john brennan's lawsuit?

>> once you lost clapper, are you a little bit worried about it? once that happens i don't know on that side of the team. there is nothing that ever happened presidentially in the course that would exactly what we think would happen here. but i am not sure how it would work. i talked to a number of attorneys who work in national security and say it sounds like it would be something the justice department would handle. it wouldn't be personal attorneys for the president or giuliani or sekulow. this would be an action against the government or the executive branch and you would have to see the doj jump in. but he could go after him for defamation. kennedy: the president could countersue for defamation for some of the things john brennan said about him. >> if you sue at all, the

president alluded to this. it's up discovery -- it opens up discovery. they start the lawsuit, great, that means you get to get into everything that has to do with the lawsuit. we'll go back to emails, the things brennan has said, what he's getting paid by different networks. all that will be there for the digging up. a lot of people think brennan is all bluster. he sounded like a martyr saying i am being dragged through the mud but if i can stop this for the intel community, i'm willing to go through it. but are you willing to go through disrofer are you. kennedy: that's what rudy giuliani is banking on. i think brennan has done himself a great disservice. i think giuliani is right in calling him a blowhard. this whole thing is a huge distraction. what he's doing on is dismantling his own flimsy

legacy. >> if he's going to talk a big game, and he has been on any number of networks saying i will do whatever it takes. it will come to a point of put up or shut up legally where he'll have to decide whether he wants to file this complaints. talk about this security clearance being taken away from him. it's something you can monetize, you can go in as contributors and write best-selling books. when you lose your access you lose some your cache to gain access. kennedy: i think people like john brennan were banking on a hillary clinton presidency. their own legacies and the gift bag they take to various administrations stay intact. but why is someone entitled to security clearance?

>> they are not, really. kennedy: it's not like the president went into john brennan's house and took his microwave. >> the other thing you will hear him and other former intel officers say it's taking away his right to free speech. that's not the same thing as taking a security clearance away. he can say any negative or positive thing you want to say. take away your clearance is not the same thing as taking away your free speech. brennan was involved in a number of things. steve hayes has a good piece on this talking about the things brennan did to should downter people's speech. survivors of benghazi came back to the u.s. for the memorial services for the people who were lost. they were pulled aside by the cia and were asked to sign nds,

nondisclose our agreements. the issue they felt was being communicated to them was keep your mouths shut. kennedy: that is more deplorable. and that veers into the side of government censorship. there is so much here, the story will continue to percolate and it raises very pressing questions. by the way, cute puppy pictures. i cannot wait to see your dog. >> we either. kennedy: dogs rule. >> i knew i loved you, kennedy. kennedy: president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani doing some damage control after a viral comment he made about the troops. watch this.

>> i'm not going to be rushed to having him testify so he gets trapped into perjury. when you tell me he should testify that he's going to tell the truth and shouldn't worry. that's so silly. it's somebody's version of the truth, not the truth. >> truth is truth. >> no, truth isn't truth. >> come on, chuck todd. just an hour ago. giuliani tried to explain what he went to martha maccallum on fox news channel. >> i'm talking about in this particular situation, one person says the flynn conversation took place. another person says the flins conversation didn't take place. what's the truth. you you tell me how you figure out the truth. >> iter it did or it didn't. >> it's like the tree falling in the forest. did anybody hear it? how do we know what the truth

is? kennedy: will that get rudy out of his latest jam? let's go to tonight's panel. mark lauder is here. and michael malice, and from reason.com, robby soave. welcome. so let's talk about this. is this the latest version of alternative facts? is this an unforced error that eclipses some of the more pressing elements of the story? >> i think what rudy was trying to explain, is two different views of the same story, is that perjury? i think we have seen so many times where people will string together a set of facts to create their own conclusion which may or may not be right. it's like a dan brown novel, it doesn't mean the conclusion is

right just because the facts are. kennedy: obviously robert mueller is going to believe someone whom he mentored, meaning james comey. james comey and the president have completely different versions of the same events. i think what giuliani is saying. it's also a failure if people have to reexplain what you mint. >> most of people think rudy giuliani as the [inaudible] he spent a lot of time being a prosecutor. let's say you and i went downtears to make a phone call. if i say yes, were nut same room with her, so there is questions like that what he means is truth is not truth in a legal sense. a prosecutor's job is to nab the biggist fish he can and it's only one fish bigger than the

president of the united states. kennedy: paul manafort is on trial for making stupid slimy decisions. there is a reason they are talking about squeezing michael cohen. >> there is a reason every legal mind tells you not to talk to the cops. not to go answering questions. because you might say something wrong. inif you have dog done nothing wrong. you might trip up in what you say. kennedy: maybe robert mueller was trying to trip up don mcghan over 30 hours which is a long time to spend with special counsel. >> we'll say something that's true, you go a little too far and you are done. you made a mistake. there are procedural traps and

errors. >> remember the leaked questions from the special counsel. >> they had nothing to do. what were you thinking? if jim comey perceives he was thinking one thing and the president perceives he was thinking another, is that perjury? kennedy: when you are asking someone their thoughts and feeling on something, can there be a wrong answer? >> it's not only legal, it's political as well. kennedy: rudy giuliani is at his worst when he makes the unforceddereddors. he's at his best when he's operating as a former prosecutor and politician. he's one of the few people who understands that intersection. his former lawyer could be in deep yogurt according to a report by the "new york times."

michael cohen under investigation for $20 million of bank and tax fraud. federal investigators are trying to determine whether he lied about his assets to secure loans to his family taxi business. cohen could be charged in the next couple of weeks. and he's being investigated for campaign finance'. we still don't have a verdict in the manafort trial. and now you are seeing the special counsel squeeze cohen like and accordion. >> we believe in due process so we can't say what we know here. but obviously it looks like this is an attempt to get co-on offer something on trump.

they don't even allege there were loss to the banks that made the loans which is atypical. it shows they are bringing it because they want co-on give information. >> there is a claim of equality before the law. but on a regular basis someone who flipped in front of someone who is more important. kennedy: look at the people given immunity in the clinton email server. >> to try to turn someone's lawyer against them is a dark and dangerous precedents. kennedy: attorney-client privilege was thrown out the window on this raid. i understand there was a warrant. i understand the fbi didn't take a battering ram and do a no-knock raid. it's still questionable and dangerous territory we are flying into. >> this is not the special

counsel doing this. >> the information will be given over to special counsel. that's the extra queazy part. special counsel. that's not like a d.a. >> here is what we are look at right now. we are seeing it now. and we don't know yet. let's flash back to last october when george papadopoulos struck his plea deal. for 24 hours on other cable net works its was the biggest deal in the mueller investigation. it was bigger than manafort and gates. it was spelling doom on people he was supposedly turning on. now we find out he hardly had anything to say that was of value. kennedy: he was allegedly drinking the first time he had the conversation that launches this s show.

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kennedy: one of the most of prominent voices in the me too movement is facing her accuser. an actor and musician says she sexually assaulted him when he was just 17 years old. reports say she paid him $380,000 to keep him from suing her or releasing a photo of the two of them in bed. argento is one of the first to accuse harvey weinstein of sexual assault. weinstein's lawyers say this shows stunning hypocrisy. does this report do damage to the movement?

the #metoo movement is much more complicated especially now. this isn't just a woman in hollywood hollywood who has been accused of something pretty horrific. this is someone who has been at the forefront of the movement as a victim speaking for those who have been abused by various men in hollywood. >> that's right. these accusations aren't the first to reverse the roles where the accused is a woman and the victim is a man. it doesn't destroy or undermine the movement, but it should change the perception of feminist fiction that women are

somehow moral lip superior to men. people of both sexes ought to be afforded due process. we don't have all the details. often these things happen behind closed doors. kennedy: we don't have denials either. you don't have anyone running around saying this is patently false, she is innocent. if i western the mother of that 17-year-old kid i would be beyond upset. he said he came forward with all of this because he was triggered by her behavior and her statements. >> rose mcgowan said heartbreak is a word many people would use to describe this situation. two wrongs don't make a right. we shouldn't have joy to pointing to someone else's

shame. look at this person committing hypocrisy or double speak. and we should open our minds to the idea that sometimes men are victims of sexual assault and they deserve to be heard as well. this is a case where i hope the #metoo movement will broaden it's' look. kennedy: there is not a lot of due process. you talk about the idea. it's almost taken as an axiom that women are morally superior. you read stories about men who are falsely accused and what a great injustice that does to victims of sexual assault. >> this story echos a piece in

the "new york times," what happen to the #metoo movement when a fell niflt professor is accused. and a professor was accused. i'll let people read for themselves. but obvious acts of sexual harassment verbally and physically. title 9 investigations often go too far. there is a reason why we have title 9 and why they need to protect both sexes in having the best environment to learn. but when there is a power dynamic. a powerful woman in hollywood with a young actor singer. that power dynamic accounts for something. kennedy: coming up. john brennan is still crying

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kennedy: former cia director john brennan has lost his security clearance and his mind. john brennan clearly has no shortage of a animosity and political opinions. while he attacks the president for being treasonous and undignified web's not conducting himself as someone who ran the world largest spy agency. they used their tools to spy on americans for their own goods. now that he and his yippee cohorts vocally insert themselves into a political process that is better for their silence. it's not a stretch that's known liars and perjurers like brennan and james clapper would use their clearance as a political battering ram to bring down an

oh point. why do they want clearance so badly? if you leave government life for greener private sector pastures, why do you need to keep in the outer reaches of government secrets unless you plan on making cash off your top secret stash. if they want to diffuse the deep state bomb, they are doing a piss poor job of make conspiracy theories turning into laws. all they are doing is making the deep state seem much more real than the shallow one. john brennan can sue whoever he wants. but it's only a distraction from the question of why so many people have clearance in the first place. maybe this is as good a time as any to ask whether spying liars

have a right to hang on to their power. earlier tonight on fox news channel rudy giuliani asked why brennan had his security clearance in the first place. >> what reason dose have to have security clearance? the only reason you would have it as annex official is if the government is going to call on you for information. john brennan was not a particularly distinguished anything. kennedy: should president trump go ahead and wipe out the security clearances much other obama administration officials? and why stop there? joining us, jim jordan. welcome back to the show. why do so many people have these clearances? >> they shouldn't. brennan leaked the dossier to

harry reid. he lost his clearance. clapper lied under oath. susan rice lied five times, and you can go count list. mccomey fired, gates fired, all but strzok have been fired. i don't even know why it's a debate. why do they have it in the first place if they have left government. take their clearances away from them. that makes sense. kennedy: at the top of the show i was talking to shannon bream about a lawsuit brennan might bring. she said at some point it might be defamation. yawn brennan said the president was treasonous. the comments were questionable

that were delivered standing next to vladimir putin. to a lot of people they were offensive. but that am not treason. one of the penalties for treason is death. is john brennan calling for the president's demise? >> john brennan is saying crazy things. even james clapper says brennan is saying things he shouldn't say. he could bring any lawsuit he wants. i don't think he'll be successful by any stretch of the imagination. as i said, you go down that list be clapper, rice, comey, mccabe, yates, strzok, ohr. rice is an example. she said the cause of benghazi was a video. every single one of them deserves to lose it if they still have it.

kennedy: i know people mad at the president for the way he delivers some of these questions. at times the delivery is distracting. but at the heart of it, i think there are, especially for fans of limited government, i think there are valid questions here. i also don't think it should be a political tool necessarily. if you get rid of these clearances across the board and someone needs to be read in and granted some sort of temporary clearance in order to help the transition team or answer a question where they have deep expertise. i think that's valid. but what of hillary clinton's claims that a lot of stuff is overclassified. i think a lot of people are overcleared. >> that's true. but this is not political. clapper lied under oath. sally yates was fired because she wouldn't do what the president be wanted her to do.

peter strzok, we know what he was all about. he was demoted before he was fired. this is not about political fashion at all. if you have been fired from the federal government and you were involved in the things you were involved in. i don't think you deserve a clearance. my guess is the vast majority of the american people agree with that. kennedy: there are too many people with too much power spying on us as it is. the mid-terms are less than 3 months away. your political future is interesting. steve bannon said if the elections were held today the gop would lose 30 seats. he wants to make the election on the impeachment of the president. if the democrats gain control the likelihood of impeachment

goes up. the gop smashed a record raising money. the rnc had five times the cash on hand as the dnc. what does the gop have to do to keep the house majority. is impeachment and the threat of impeachment the kree to mobilizing republican voters? >> what we need to do is do what we said. we make the job too complicated. when we get back, the single promise from 2016 is border security. we need to put that on the funding bill. if we do that i think we'll be fine. we'll keep the majority. remember what the democrats want to do. the democrats are all about 14 things. they want to raise your tax, abolish i.c.e., socialize

medicine and impeach the president. but what we have to do is what we told them we are going to do. we cut their taxes. but we have got to go back and build a border security wall, put that on the funding wall, do it early in september. we have that debate, we win, we'll be fine in the general election. kennedy: is scaring republicans in the mid-term election the path to victory? >> we'll be focused on one simple thing. doing what we told the american people when we are going to do when they gave us the privilege to serve them. kennedy: in addition to that, you have got to cut spending, too. >> when you have got a $22 trillion debt, that's another thing we have to focus on. but the biggest problem from 2016 was the border security

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kennedy: democratic socialist cortez rssocialistcore alexandrz facing backlash after banning press from her town hall. she has been full of gaffes since her surprising primary win over joe crowley. she has shown to be very uninformed on foreign policy. but she claims it's a non-story. >> the event was very successful. people are much more comfortable sharing hair personal issues. kennedy: is alexandria ocasio-cortez ready for the big

league? she is amazing. i'm glad the press wasn't there because i'm sure she said something pretty bad. >> she couched not want the press there on safety. the people on the hard left who see her as their savior, they hate the media. we think of them friendly to democrats. they hate them. they say they are complicit in the fascism trump has brought to our country. that they are just as bad as conservatives which i think is scary. >> rumor has it -- ocasio-cortez might be giving a run for the right at the libertarian

nomination. that joke didn't land. let's go on to the serious stuff. the problem with the socialists is their view of the press is to always have the press repeating what they regard as the truth. if you disagree with the person, you are not on wrong, but you are a bad person. kennedy: you are the enemy. and it's interesting because this form of control takes many forms. but if you look at some of her constituents, don't you think they would like to share their story that government failed them? and they have this incredible life in this country. >> you would think he time she opens her mouth she is proven to be wrong. when the washington times runs a fact check on an uber socialist,

70% of democrats support socialism. so she is clearly their new champion and poster child. kennedy: the scandinavian utopia doesn't exist in the real world. and whatever does exist cannot be transferred to the united states. >> socialism means workers a means of production and the government nationalizing industry. that's not what the people voting and saying we like socialism better than capitalism. they think socialism is more free stuff. more obama-type nice things have a nice society. and ocasio-cortezs don't define

it any more than that. kennedy: president obama does the same thing. he talks about democratic socialism. >> they are big on no concept of private property and always being under the boot of the state. kennedy: if government has failed over and over again, and it's failed in being too in line with corporations. how is more government going to make it better. >> they would rather the poor be poorer as long as the rich are not rich. if we are all see equal in the gutter. kennedy: with mandatory minimum wages there is no minimum liability. >> the democratic website supports venezuela they have gone off the deep end. kennedy: all you have to do is

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after a song. but she is just as musically talented as iggy. topic number 2. let's head out to new jersey. not just to raise our self-esteem, but also to watch one of our favorite videos of the summer. a jersey city man was late for an interview, and he missed his ferry. he rode across the hudson in 30 minutes or less. witnesses say he enjoyed the ride so much he decided to row his way back it's a great video, but the story does not have a happy ending.

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