they bump up because the economy doing reasonably well. liz: frank holz, good to have you here. thank you very much. [closing bell rings] big news coming up on the hurricane. now it is david and melissa. melissa: stocks rising as trade fears fade on wall street. the dow hitting a seven-month high. ending the day up 147 points. good one. nasdaq is surging with a rebound in tech. i'm melissa francis. david: i'm david asman. this is after the bell. more on big market movers. here is what else we're covering for you, very busy hour, you're looking at live pictures of atlantic beach, north carolina, as winds are strong enough to knock you over. and are only just beginning. ahead of arrival of hurricane florence full force. deadly storm surge, winds, catastrophic flooding are

expected to pummel the coast of carolinas. a massive storm lost some intensity but may have more staying power and that's of great concern. national, state, local officials,er one warning folks to evacuate, get out immediately as time is running out. at least 18,000 homes are already without power in north carolina. meanwhile u.s. commerce secretary wilbur ross watching the storm closely, telling fox business the potential hit to the u.s. economy could be upwards of $180 billion. as businesses and farms shutter and cargo ships are diverted from the area. we'll bring you more of his exclusive interview along with live reports on the ground in north and south carolina. the very latest on the storm path from the fox weather center. melissa: first a check on markets. dow ending in positive territory third day in a row, led higher by shares of apple, ibm, 3m. nicole petallides on floor of

new york stock exchange. good day down there, nicole. >> good day to you, melissa and to you, dave. apple, ibm intel up there, technology helps lead the way on the dow jones industrial average. the major averages, you see up arrows across the board. the dow as you noted it is up 147 points now really holding on to some good gains today. we have several names hitting all-time highs. microsoft, nike, american express and visa. now we have to turn our sights on hurricane florence. you can see some of these names moving higher throughout the week gave some back today but have been really moving higher. for example, beacon roofing. these make building materials, protection, all those preparations needed before and after a hurricane. you see them all down today but they are really all higher for this week. they have given some back today but the preparations are underway. we've also seen home depot and lowe's hitting some highs. we turn our sights on

jeff bezos, right? the richest man. he is up 100% over last two years. he is giving billion dollars to the fund, for homeless communities and him being philanthropic and doing nice work there. bezos' competitor, walmart, jet.com struck a deal with nike. they want to bring in the younger folks. they will have a ton of nike products. pushing it in new york. doing it around the world. will have everything from groceries to nike products. last but not least, turn it to the holidays, maybe i'm too early for this one, but it is looking pretty good. in fact the stores are talking about increasing staff, target, fedex, macy's. they're just trying to get them out there, gearing up for huge holiday season. melissa, dave, they will be paying more and giving out some perks in order to get the best talent in place for the holiday season because people are more

confident as you know. we have a better job situation and rising wages. back to you. melissa: tight labor market. we love it. nicole, thank you. president trump firing back on trade tweeting quote, "the wall street journal" has it wrong. we're under no pressure to make a deal with china. they're under pressure to make a deal with us. our markets are surging. theirs are collapsing. we'll soon take in billions in tariffs and making products at home. if we meet, we meet. but that shouldn't come as much of a surprise. if you were watching "after the bell" right here yesterday. >> well it is just an invitation as far as i know. there's some discussions and information that we received that the chinese government, the top of the chinese government wished to pursue talks. i can't give you many details because there aren't many details. melissa: let's bring in today's panel, keith fitz-gerald from money map press and heat they are tsunami from vision four --

heather zumarriaga. that was larry kudlow on heels of breaking news. he poured cold water in a sense maybe they're coming back but we're under no pressure and we're not asking for this meeting. what is your impression of that situation? >> that's great. it was a good interview with national economic council's larry kudlow. i do think that china is kind of waiting this out right now even though their economy is taking a big hit, their stock market, for example, is down in bear market territory, about 20% this year. the yuan, their currency is collapsing and they have to save face. president she is in power for -- president xi is in power for life and they want beijing to know that he has the upper hand. the u.s. ultimately has the upper hand noted by whose economy is really weakening. >> keith, that was impression i

got from interaction. china wants to come back to the table and that the negotiators on our side, all right, we'll sit down again but we're under no pressure. what do you think? >> you know, i think that is a very calculated risk and a huge risk. i spent a lot of time over there. i think china needs us and irony we need them as much as they need us. the delay is about 60 to 90 days off on the tariff. that is the risk how cooler heads can prevail before the american consumer gets really pinched. david: sit tight guys. leaked video after the 2016 election, revealing google executives treating uniformly the trump victory as a full-blown crisis. susan li. >> "breitbart" getting their hands on google staff meeting the day after the 2016 election. take a listen. >> people here are pretty upset and pretty sad for, because of

the election. >> this election was particularly hard. >> it was a shock to all of us, the results of the election. >> can i move to canada? >> this is massive like, kick in the gut that we were going to lose. >> what we all need right now is a hug. >> ruth borat, alphabet cfo getting emotional at the time including the other executives. she was trying to choke back tears. all management on hand, sergey bring, larry page. google management trying to explain, comfort employees why the election turned out and swung the way it did. in a statement google saying at a regularly scheduled all hands meeting some google and employees expressed their own personal views in the aftermath after long divisive election

season. for 20 years everyone at google has been able to freely express their opinions at these moots. nothing was said that any political bias or influences, or political buys that influence the way we build our products. president trump recently tweeted google gaming search results to suppress positive results about his administration, something google still denies. this fires a anti-conservative bias in silicon valley. jeff sessions the attorney general will meet with republican state attorneys general that whether social media is stifling conservative voices. a bipartisan group in congress issued a letter asking google to clarify their intentions to reenter china's search market and if they're building a censored search product for that market. guys? david: thank you, susan. go back to the panel, the key here the extent these extremely

passionate views affect way google does business which affects us all anybody that uses google which is about everybody. the cfo the woman named ruth porat spoke to that in the video. let's play the tape. >> our values are strong, we will fight to protect them and use resources we have to continue to advance really important values. david: how do you think their using their resources to enforce those values? >> well, this is the thing, dave. i think they have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. this is very sanctimonious. this is very self-serving, our values. whose values, her personally or google? this is everything that is wong with these supposedly apolitical cultures that exist there. now i think regulatory impact will be far more significant than it would be otherwise. david: heather, the question is how much competition is there out there? we know that google has such a wide swath, all over the world,

but there is competition. there is bing which is owned by microsoft. there may be other competitors who take advantage of this situation so that maybe we can keep the government out of it, maybe not, what do you think? >> i hope so. i hope you're right. who uses bing? david: i use bing? i tell you -- put in a word for bing. i have got no microsoft stock by the way unlike stuart varney. >> that's good. david: bing shows me, that it's a little less biased than google. that is my opinion. go ahead. >> i like that idea. i hope more people follow suit. if google cannot prove to us that they have removed any type of political bias from their search engines, because at the end of the day i have no issue with a company leaning left or leaning right. but when you dominate the industry and don't have competition, which hopefully they do from bing, at least, you're a user of bing, then in that case you can influence elections by influencing opinions and that is not okay. david: all right. i hope there is enough

competition to keep the government out of it. keith, heather. thank you very much. melissa. >> thank you. melissa: hurricane florence approaching the carolinas as more than 10 million americans covered by hurricane and tropical storm warnings and watches. fox news's rick reichmuth joins us from the fox weather center with more. rick. >> the winds have come down a little bit over last few days. overall the storm is holding its texture and structure really, really well. because of that we don't see any reason why it would weaken significantly over the next 12 hours. center of the storm right around there. you will notice in the last few frames is has stopped moving. where the last advisory had it moving 10 miles-an-hour in the forward movement, that i think will dramatically stop. that is why we're getting rain, keep on getting the rain, it is not going to change much at all. you notice with the track, it made a little westerly turn. does it keep going west inland or maybe a little bit of a

southwesterly turn? we still don't know. i wish we did. unfortunately we still can't say. what we do know, this is a power outage index where we expect to see power outages over the next couple days. you get the idea. a lot of people, even places like far inland and raleigh and charlotte, you see tropical storm force winds and down towards columbia as well. we could deal with power outages far inland. certainly along the coast. they will be extreme. might be weeks before you get power back into some areas. storm surge will be a major problem. because the storm moves onshore probably eventually, doesn't move out anytime soon. this onshore wind will continue. storm surge comes onshore and into the inlets and tributaries. because of the onshore wind it cannot come back out. even if you're not along the coast but inland along in places like new bern, you're already seeing some storm surge come in

there. the pamly coriver, same story. that will stay with us, for five to six high tide cycles. you will go through the high tides with maybe nine to 13 feet of storm surge on top of it. behind that you get the water. rainfall totals, melissa, latest models putting out numbers like 45 inches, which is pretty frightening, 45? melissa: frightening. with that storm surge, rick, wow, thank you for that. i was watching the storm surge on one of live shots. you saw it today, rain cames in and water rolls in like lava almost. comes in really frightening. david: 45-inches like whose ton had it. as rick mentioned the outer bands of hurricane florence already started lashing the coast of carolinas. the slow moving storm almost stopped inches closer to land. here is live look at caroline beach. this is north carolina.

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forecasters are warning residents of catastrophic flooding, life-threatening storm surges. fox business's kristina partsinevelos is live on the ground in myrtle beach, south carolina, with the very latest. kristina. reporter: yeah, thank you, david. normally this place is packed with tourists but what you're seeing now could be a set for a horror film. everything is boarded up. people have been ordered to close their businesses as of 5:00 p.m. yesterday. we found one gas station to fill up this morning this is small example of a just a funnel cake shack that is closed up. a lot of houses around the entire area look like that. what we're seeing across the city though, we're seeing people preparing. most people already left. officials say 60% have left the city but a bunch have decided they will ride this hurricane out. why? because they have already done it in the past. i spoke to a few at a gas station earlier this morning. listen to what they had to say. >> i've been through this

before. i know they will have flooding. at a point it always floods and outages. we have our supplies. >> i got family, i got friends, i have belongings. you want to protect your property, do the best you can to protect everyone around you. reporter: what we're seeing, i went to one man's house. he boarded up his home, he didn't want to leave because he moved there eight weeks ago. a lot of people feel like they need to stay with their property, they fear they won't be able to come back into the city. i will end with this quick story. we arrived to the theme park because we've been around the city. lives stopped us. everybody is chatting with everybody. they warned us water will not only come in through the ocean through storm surge, flooding from the inland. at our hotel he tells us we should get out tomorrow, because we'll be hit by both ends, by water. nonetheless it will be a little weaker than what you're seeing in north carolina. hurricane florence hits here,

toe rings rains starting saturday and sunday. throw it back to you. hurricane florence is still alive. david: i don't know if you heard rick reichmuth it may take a turn south. we're hoping it stays on path. it stalled right now, it could turn south and hit south carolina. hang in there, kristina. melissa. melissa: joining me on the phone is columbia, south carolina, mayor, steve benjamin whose city is preparing for this massive storm. mayor, thanks for joining us. what is it like right now? do we have the mayor? sounds like we lost him. we can hear you now. i'm sorry, sir, we just got your audio in. tell me what it is like there right now? >> it is we're in full preparation mode. we're preparing closely with our friends from the county, state officials, federal officials, just doing everything we possibly can to prepare for what they're calling the storm of a

lifetime. we, we learned a lot of lessons in 2015 in the wake of hurricane joaquin. we're putting that experience, leveraging that experience to our benefit right now. melissa: what message would you like to get out to people in your area? >> obviously anyone with within the sound of my voice, thank you for the platform, encourage people to listen to our governor and all the state executives if you have the opportunity to evacuate dangerous areas to do so. we will welcome you here in columbia, south carolina, if you are a visitor, if one of our residents and sheltering in place, pay attention to all of the things that you should be doing to prepare yourself and your family for what will be very challenging times coming ahead. it is beautiful here in columbia today like most days but over the course of this weekend we'll have torrential rainstorms potentially unlike anything we've ever seen. prepare your family with food, water, obviously preparing for any potential flooding. i want to assure people that

their leaders are doing everything we possibly can to work together to make sure they are safe and sound, we come through this on the right side. if you have an emergency, encourage people to call 911. if you're in the four corners, city of columbia, if you need anything non-emergency, 803-545- 3300. @city of columbia and also on facebook and encourage people to go to our website, columbia sis sc.net. we provide information at 20,000-foot level and we have issues with respective neighborhoods around the city. we believe in transparency to allow everyone to make the decisions they need to protect themselves and their families. melissa: how do you prepare differently that we hear this is mainly a water event? the main thing people are talking about what the absolute downpour could be 40 inches,

potential storm surge? then in the aftermath, if you look at numbers around harvey which was a big water event as well 70% of the damage wasn't covered by anyone's homeowners or any kind of insurance at all? >> that was challenge, very similar to the challenge we face. of course smaller scale of harvey, but in 2015 with hurricane joaquin we saw 12 approximately dollars damage statewide. on the first day we had 10,000 calls to 911 emergency dispatchers. melissa: wow. >> 500 roads out and we lost precious lives, primarily in flooding event. we worked diligently over the last several years to address some of the significant flooding issues. all of our privately-owned and public lakes are being lowered significantly. we worked to mitigate the challenges we face in the columbia canal. making sure the water supply is safe and secure. we staged all throughout the city places we know that will

flood, espionage response opportunities there and in place. we maintain ad high level of communication with our citizens knowing that responsive and transparent government is the very best government. melissa: yeah. >> how you prepare and what we saw in 2015 was between the two carolinas, 11 trillion gallons of water. melissa: wow. >> it is daunting, it is daunting. we're not sure what exactly this storm will bring. but we're doing everything humanly possible. we invested heavily in building resilient infrastructure which we believe is the smart way to build for the future as well. melissa: yeah, absolutely. i mean in terms of preparing for the aftermath, time to get back up on your feet. mayor, thank you for coming on the show today. know that our thoughts and prayers are with you guys. we're keeping an eye on anything we can do to support you. thank you. >> thank you so much. we believe in prayer, thank you. david: we are going to pray. keep those pictures up there, on left of your screen, we saw

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david: preparing a forecast. the national oceanic atmospheric administration keeping a close eye on the storm. edward lawrence had a close look the crucial role that agency is placing and got interview with commerce secretary wilbur ross who overseas the agency. what can you tell us. reporter: this agency is underneath the commerce department. this is the center for weather and climate prediction. the secretary got tour first-hand how the storm is tracking. they're following it here. secretary wilbur ross says this hurricane will create a 180 billion-dollar shock to our economy. he says it is not enough to affect the entire u.s. economy, but still a huge number for those who live southeast united states. the real long term concern for him will not be wind damage here. he says it is the rain. 20 to 30 inches predicted. in some cases for thety --

40 inches of rain will fall before all said and done. >> most commodities are not immediately perishable so it isn't such a huge problem but those that are perishable it could be a very serious problem and of course if you have saltwater i am springing on crops -- impinging on crops that is a very serious problem as opposed to just rain. reporter: the transportation slowing those goods to market not just on the land but also in the sea. the u.s. navy and coast guard directed ships around the storm. they're basically waiting it out. many of these ships delayed carrying a number of goods that need to go to stores and businesses. >> so it will have some impact on export import. since we import more than we export, probably that will be a little bit of a help to the economy but it will slow down shipping. it will, raise the cost of the transport because the vessel is

on water more days. it will have a lot of implications. reporter: and the secretary saying this impacts through the weekend possibly, even into next week. david? >> he ward, thank you very much. medical is is a. melissa: major risk we're keeping close eye on possible damage to the pipelines and power plants that lay in the path of the storm. this is really important. at least six nuclear power plants stand in florence's way. here is republican congressman michael burgess from texas. he is on the energy and commerce committee. we have a map of the whole coastline. you see from the area where the path is, that there are nine primary steel mills in the path of the storm in addition to those six nuclear power plants we were talking about. the epa is monitoring nine toxic waste cleanup sites near the carolinas. these are all concerns. obviously the loss of life is number one but this seems like a

big concern as well. what are your thoughts on this? >> well the first concern is, correctly identified has been the, has to be protection of life during the acute phase of the storm. i guess some of the good news today it doesn't sound like it will be quite the wind event that was predicted a few days ago, but make no mistake about it, heavy rain we saw last year in texas accompanying harvey can be just as devastating and some of the same situations that you described in your lead-in of course were existing on the ground in the houston and port arthur area. i guess the, part of the good news is there is some experience and people do prepare for events such as this. but as you have also correctly identified, it is very, very difficult at this point to predict the behavior of this storm. i think so far it is sort of defied what the prognosticators

have every 24 hours it looks a little different from what we were told it was going to be 24 hours prior. melissa: without question, but it turns out this seems like it will be a rain and flooding event and when you talk about flooding, the epa looking at those nine toxic waste cleanup sites. that sounds very dangerous. there are also flooding concerns with things like hog manure pits and coal ash dumps. duke energy operates 24 coal ash pits in the line of the storm. do you think the regulation that exists right now or conditions that exist at those sites right now, that everybody nearby is safe given that we're going to have really unprecedented water levels? >> well as i said at the beginning the number one concern is preservation of life. so that has to be top of mind for everyone. it is perhaps just a little bit discouraging. i understand why someone would not evacuate. i get wanting to be there and on site to protect your property,

but a 60% evacuation rate strikes me as a little bit low. perhaps more people should have left but, be that as it may the die is pretty much cast at this point. i think it is important for people who have remained to let people know that you are there. so make sure too that other family members are aware of you and the situation that you, that you perhaps could potentially encounter. and then as you saw with these storms a year ago in houston and florida, it is all hands on deck. fema did do a good job in the state of texas, state of florida. i would argue, in the territory of puerto rico. puerto rico when i was down there a year ago, a week or two after maria came ashore, they had 17,000 federal employees on the ground, on the island, there were also assets tied up in my home state of texas and florida. you know there will be maximal

effort on this. all federal agencies, all hands on deck. i do believe that there will be things that no one could have anticipated, that no one could have possibly predicted. put a lot of it is stuff that has happened before. melissa: yeah. >> there is experience and there is institutional knowledge. i will say one good thing that congress managed to do before the end of july, we extended the federal flood insurance. that won't help everyone as we saw in houston, areas not historically flown -- prone to flooding did get flooded but that is important to have the protection out there for people. melissa: thank you for joining us. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. david: it is closing in on the east coast, that is clear. outer bands of the florence slamming carolina coast up north and may go south as well as fema warns the residents to get out of the monster storm's path before it is too late.

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have the middle class, you're the ruling party, the economy is going great, that it is really good for the middle class, that is pretty good for your chances in the midterm? >> it should be but we need to calm down on some of the salacious stories that seem to suck the oxygen out of the air of the good news the economy is doing. we need to concentrate on making the economy even better. the way to do that republicans need to advance their tax cuts 2.0. we need to consolidating power of individual invests whether in health care, education, retirement savings, to get the power of that investment. we need to make the tax cuts permanent in order to give households, businesses the power to plan for their future. we're not done. david: you also need to point out that there is a reason why democrats are just talking about donald trump as president and not as the economy. >> absolutely. david: because there is really

not too batched they can say about this economy bad right now. >> mantra for republicans should be you can't argue with success. democrats were against tax cuts. not one voted for it. the economy could not do better. we primed the pump. the engine is running. time to fine tune the engine with new tax cuts. we have to bring home the message they're much better off today than two years ago. david: brad, we're facing what could be devastating hurricane down south. you were with the bush administration. of course katrina and response to katrina really affected the public's opinion of the bush administration in a negative way. could the same thing happen here? >> it could but it won't and here's why. every emergency declaration was sent to the white house was signed well in advance of the storm. the president directed all federal agencies involved for rapid and robust response. the problem with katrina is we had incompetent governor and corrupt mayor but the first order of business, that is why they're called first-responders

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let's go live to jackie heinrich, for her very first appearance on fox business with what we can expect, jackie. welcome. thank you for joining us. we're happy to have you. what can you tell us? reporter: thank you so much, yeah this race is really putting a spotlight on division within the wider democratic party. it has got insurgent progressive candidates who are aiming to push out incumbents who say they have failed to deliver on promises. we've already seen surprise wins in massachusetts, florida, queens, new york, where new energized voters pushed incumbents off the ticket. cynthia nixon is quick to align herself with that wave. she campaigned yesterday with alexandria ocasio-cortez, the democratic socialist who defied predictions with her win. casting her vote, nixon talked about the wave of newcomers. >> these are insurgent candidates not accepting corporate contributions and i.c.e. should be abolished,

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molinaro. melissa: jacqui, thank you. david: long siege underway. punishing rains, high winds. life-threatening storm surge, we're expecting to be live on the ground in north carolina. former fema chief michael brown weighing in on the preparations. what we can expect in the next 24 hours. ♪

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melissa: the outer bands of hurricane florence already whipping the coast of north carolina. jeff flock on the ground in carolina beach, north carolina. jeff, what are you seeing? reporter: you know, melissa, we are still so far away from there and we're getting kind of a bit of a squall right now. i came to get under the parking

garage so he can get out of the rain. ben, come over here. maybe show melissa. we have a little bit of a squall, you see a little bit of wind driven rain. we're a long way from this storm. it is beginning to slow down and that is the scary part. we, yea, got a nice gust there. if we get this kind of wind driven rain and storm surge on us for a good while, it will do the kind of damage a category 2 storm wouldn't typically do with the kind of power that has in terms of wind speed. it is the surge. you walk out in one second, maybe you see, you get a sense, it is raining, not pouring and we're miles and miles and hours and hours away from the worst of it. that is the latest. melissa: jeff flock, thank you for that, be careful. david: here now to react, to tell us what is coming, michael brown, former fema director. michael good to see you.

>> good to see you, david. david: this storm seems pausing off of the coast we're not still exactly where it will go but we're sure it will drop a lot of rain and be over the area for a long time. could this turn into another harvey like houston saw? >> in fact i think this one is going to do, david. i think, these kinds of storms are two disasters in one. you will still have the storm surge because of the winds. that water started moving a couple of days ago. that water is still moving. then the storm will make landfall. it will stall out, because you have all of this saturated land in the carolinas, all the rain it dumps will turn into flash floods and i think what most people don't understand is that a flash flood is as powerful and as destructive sometimes as the hurricane itself. david: interesting. without going too much into the weeds there is a difference. houston, the whole houston area is a lot of flat land out there. there is more elevation in the

carolinas. so the slopes help the runoff, right? >> it will help the runoff but that will cause the flash flood. david: i see. >> could only have six or 12 inches of water but traveling 30, 40 miles an hour down the side of those hills, that can push an 18 wheeler off the highway. so it can be as destructive as the hurricane itself. david: michael, we talked about this before with a local mayor but there are a lot of nuclear power plants in the carolinas. there are six directly targets of this storm. one that is right on the coast. i know they're privately controlled but what role does fema have in working with the private owners to protect these nuclear power plants? >> well under the rules of the nuclear regulatory commission fema has responsibility for everything outside the plant. you may recall after the 9/11 there was concerns about the indian point plant just north of you there in westchester county. so we did studies on how vulnerable plants are, and i can

tell you this hurricane is not going to affect operation of those plants at all. they will shut them down for safety purposes but in terms of my breaches or cracks there won't -- david: controversy, president mentioning of puerto rico situation which these recounts of the number of people who died as a result of it have changed over the past few months. in fact way back in november, two months after the hurricane hit puerto rico, cnn did a report that sort of added a whole lot of deaths to the official count, that included suicides and other things. do you think that is a fair way to calculate the fatalities in hurricanes and disasters like this? >> well, here's the problem with counting deaths in disasters. every organization, every private organization, every university, every government agency has a difficult way of correlating a death to a

disaster. so i look at these with a little kind of a jaundiced eye, that the numbers are, they can be all over the map and i'm not certain that we should pay attention. every death is serious, don't get me wrong, every death is serious in terms of counting it everybody has their own methodology. david: i agree. one is too much and let's hope that we don't have that in this storm. michael brown, great to see you. >> thank you, david. always good to see you. david: melissa. melissa: hurricane florence bears down on the east coast. the relief effort is already underway. how businesses are lending a helping hand. ♪

melissa: big businesses are getting involved in hurricane florence relief effort, bud wise irand miller coors sending total 500 thousand cans of waterrism

david: airbnb isable activating open door programs for those displaced. melissa: that is it for us, the "evening edit" starts right now. >> right now it's adrenaline to do what we can. >> leave the coast, this storm is massive. >> the storm will stall is what is going to brin catastrophic life-threatening potential. >> go ahead give me your next of kin now, because we don't know what it is going on be, we're limited in what we can do once the storm hitting to save somebody. >> the huge economic impact is the clean up, rebuilding. >> we have been through it before, just hope we can get through it again, just pray. liz: now begins outer bands of tropical storm force winds from hurricane florence, now