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georgetown prep. went by p.j. then. he and i lived close to one another. played football together. he was defensive tackle, i was cornerback, wide receiver. we carpooled to school along with dedavis every year, the three of us for two years. i didn't have a car. one of the two of them would drive every day and i would be in the, they would pick me up. >> what's your relationship like with him now? >> lives in the area. i see him once in a while. i haven't seen him since this, this thing. >> do you know leland ingam or leland keyser? >> i know of her. it is possible, i saw, or met her in high school at some point at some event. i know of her.
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and again i don't want to rule out having crossed paths with her in high school. >> similar to your statements about knowing dr. ford? >> correct. >> senator feinstein. >> judge kavanaugh, it's my understanding that you have denied the allegations by dr. ford, miss ramirez and miss swetnick, is that correct? >> yes. >> all three of these woman asked the fbi to investigate their claims. i listened carefully to what you said. your concern is evident and clear and, if you're very confident of your position, and you appear to be, why aren't you also asking the fbi to investigate these claims? >> senator, i'll do whatever the
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committee wants. i want ad hearing after the allegation came up. i wanted to be here that day. instead 10 days passed where all this nonsense is coming out, you know, that i'm in gangs. i'm on boats in rhode island. i'm in colorado, you know i'm sighted all over the place. these things are printed and run breathlessly by cable news. you know, i wanted a hearing the next day. my family has been destroyed by this, senator. destroyed. >> and -- >> whoever wants, whatever the committee decides. you know i'm all in. immediately. >> the question is, all-in immediately. >> terrible and hard part of this is, when we get an allegation, we're not in a position to prove or it disprove it. therefore we have to depend on some outside authority for it. and it would just seem to me then when these allegations came forward, that you would want the
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fbi to investigate those claims and clear it up once and for all. >> senator, the committee investigates -- not for me to say how to do it, just so you know, the fbi doesn't reach a conclusion. they would give you a couple 302s, tell you what we said. so i'm here. i wanted to be here. i wanted to be here the next day. it is an outrage that i was not allowed to come and immediately defend my name and say, i didn't do this and give you all this evidence. i'm not even, i'm not even in d.c. on the weekends in the summer of 1982. this happened on a weekday, when i'm not at blair high school for summer league game? i'm not at tobin's houseworking out. i'm not at a movie with suzanne. you know, i wanted to be here right away. >> well, the difficult thing is,
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that it, these hearings are set and, set by the majority, but i'm talking about getting the evidence and having the evidence looked at and, i don't understand, you know, we hear from the witnesses. but the fbi isn't interviewing them and isn't giving us any facts. so all we have -- >> you're interviewing me. you're interviewing me. you're doing it, senator. i'm sorry to interrupt. you're doing it. there is no conclusions reached. >> and what you're saying, if i understand it, is that the allegations by dr. ford, miss ramirez and miss swetnick are wrong? >> that is emphatically what i'm saying. emphatically.
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the swetnick thing is a joke. that is a farce. >> would you like to say more about it? >> no. >> okay. that's it. thank you, mr. chairman. >> miss mitchell. >> dr. ford has described you as being intoxicated at a party. did you consume alcohol during your high school years? >> we drank beer, my friends and i, boys and girls. yes, we drank beer. i liked beer. still like beer. we drank beer, drinking age as i noted was 18. seniors were legal. senior year in high school people were legal to drink. we drank beer. i said sometimes, sometimes, probably had too many beers and sometimes other people had too many beers. we drank beer. we liked beer. >> what do you consider to be too many beers? >> i don't know.
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you know, whatever the chart says. blood-alcohol chart. >> when you talked to fox news the other night you said that there were times in high school when people might have had too many beers on occasion. does that include you? >> sure. >> have you ever passed out from drinking? >> passed out would be no, i have gone to sleep. never blacked out the allegation, and, that's wrong. >> talk about your time in high school. in high school, after drinking did you ever wake up in a different location than you remembered passing out or going to sleep? >> no. no. >> did you ever wake up with your clothes in a different condition or fewer clothes on than you remembered when you went to sleep or passed out?
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>> to. no. >> did you ever tell anyone ever tell you about something that happened in your presence that you didn't remember during the time that you had been dripping? >> no. the, we drank beer. and, you know. so did i think the vast majority of people our age at the time, but in any event we drank beer and, still do. so whatever -- yeah. >> during the time in high school, when you would be drinking did anyone ever tell you about something that you did not remember? >> no. >> dr. ford described a small gathering of people at a suburban maryland home in the summer of 1982. see said that mark judge, p.j.
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smyth and leland ingam were present as well as an unknown male and that the people were drinking to varying degrees. were you ever at a gathering that fits that description. >> no. as i said in my opening statements. opening statement. >> dr. ford described an incident where she was alone in a room with you and mark judge. have you before been alone in a room with dr. ford and mark judge? >> no. >> dr. ford described an incident where you were grinding your genitals on her. have you ever ground or rubbed your genitals against dr. ford? >> no. >> dr. ford described an incident where you covered her mouth with your hand. have you ever covered dr. ford's mouth with your hand? >> no. >> dr. ford described an incident where you tried to remove her clothes. have you ever tried to remove her clothes? >> no. >> referring back to the definition of sexual behavior that i have given you, have you
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ever at anytime engaged in sexual behavior with dr. ford? >> no. >> have you ever engaged in sexual behavior with dr. ford even if it was consensual? >> no. >> want to talk about your calendars. you submitted to the committee copies of the handwritten calendars that you talked about for the months of may, june, july and august of 1982. you have them in front of you? >> i do. >> did you create these calendars in the sense of all the handwriting that is on them? >> yes. >> okay. is it exclusively your hand writing? >> yes. >> when did you make these entries? >> in 1982. >> has anyone changed, been changed for those since 1982? >> no. >> do these calendars represent your plans for each day or do
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they document, in other words, prospectively or do they document what actually occurred, more like a diary. >> they're both forward-looking and backward looking as you can tell by looking at them, because i cross out certain doctors appointments that didn't happen. one night i was supposed to lift weight, i crossed that out because i obvious didn't make it that night. so you can see things that i didn't do. crossed out. in retrospect when i list the specific people who i was with, that is, likely backward-looking. >> you explained that you kept these calendars because your father started keeping them in 1978, i believe you said. >> uh-huh. >> that is why you kept them, in other words you wrote on them, but why did you keep them up this this time? >> well he has kept them too, since 1978.
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so, he is a good role model. >> miss mitchell. we'll have to stop. >> i'm sorry. >> judge kavanaugh asked for a break. so we'll take a 15 minute break. melissa: we are getting a break right now from some emotional testimony, judge kavanaugh coming out blazing the condemning the panel as a whole, for the tone and the way his life has been torn apart. going to some questions before now, asking for a break. david: it is hard to imagine him hitting back any harder than he has at the committee. not at dr. ford, not denying that she had an incident years past, past, 35 years ago, 36 years ago, of, that was sexual in nature, that was violent in nature, but adamantly, adamantly rejecting any notion that it was him and coming out with
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circumstantial evidence that shows that he wasn't there, including a diary that he had back from 1982, the summer of 1982 when it was alleged to have happened. and specific inconsistencies in dr. ford's account, specifically, one of her good friend who was supposedly with her at the party saying that not only did she not remember the event, but she never remembered meeting judge kavanaugh at all. so her own friend was unable to verify the account as were anybody else who was supposedly at this event. melissa: really firing back in a way that began on such an angry note. and then eventually coming to tears and talking about the process, how they should be ashamed of how things have gone. what a circus it has been making the point those who said he would cause the death of others, that he was evil, have stirred up a situation where his family has been had death threats and it has come to this. where his life and his
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reputation have been destroyed because of the circus created by the politics around this. david: the emotion was so powerful, that a democratic congresswoman, maloney, from new york who came there with another woman, an actress who come out already said she believes in dr. ford, was seen behind him dabbing her eyes. she may have a cold or something, seemed like she was reacting to the emotion that was being felt by brett kavanaugh as he was recounting the events of his life and his strong and adamant denial that he did anything close to what is being alleged by dr. ford or a couple of the other accusers. i'm david asman by the way. melissa: thanks for joining and watching with us. i'm melissa francis. this is some of the sound and what we have heard so far. >> i am here today not because i want to be and i am terrified. i am here because i believe it is my civic duty to tell you what happened to me while brett kavanaugh and i were in
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high school. i. >> i just wanted to tell me the first thing that struck me from your statement, that you were terrified. ii want to let you know, i'm vey sorry. that is not right. >> i am innocent of this charge. i intend no ill will to dr. ford and her family. the other night ashley and my daughter, liza said their prayers and liza, all 10 years old, said to ashley, we should pray for the woman. that is a lot of wisdom from a 10-year-old. we mean, we mean no ill will. melissa: go to our own edward lawrence, with more details. what a day, edward. >> man, it was a day of, a lot of testimony going back and forth here. now we're hearing from judge brett kavanaugh, almost angry at
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times judge brett kavanaugh, told the democrats on the committee their behavior is just terrible. he says that he will not be driven out of this process. >> this is destroyed my family, and my good name, a good name built up through decade of very hard work and public service at the highest levels of the american government. this whole two-week effort has been a calculated orchestrated political hit. reporter: he said he never sexually assaulted anyone in his entire life. kavanaugh's testimony, started after almost five hours of testimony with breaks from dr. christine blasey ford. ford put her allegation under oath. democrats on the committee commended her for coming forward. >> let me tell you why i believe you. not only because of the prior consistent statements and polygraph tests, you have been very honest about what you
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expand not remember. reporter: now republicans used a career female prosecutor to interview ford about why she is the only one who remembers the party or the gathering that happened, the committee actually has affidavits under perjury of felony from the others who she named in that group said they didn't know anything about it. listen. >> are you aware that they say they have no memory or knowledge much such a party? >> i don't expect that p.j. and leland would remember this evening. it was a very unremarkable party. it was not one of their more notorious parties. because nothing remarkable happened to them that evening. they were downstairs. and mr. judge is a different story. reporter: kavanaugh just said he held several high-profile jobs. been through a number of fbi background investigations.
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nothing like this type of allegation came up. we expect to hear from judge kavanaugh for hour 1/2 to two hours. back to you, david and melissa. melissa: thank you very much. edward. we have independent women forum's senior policy analyst and jessica ehrlich democratic strategist. what did you think. >> this was powerful. judge kavanaugh was so emotional and broken by the severity and impact of allegations. he was very forceful. what is interesting with the last exchange with senator dianne feinstein, he talked about the reason why an fbi investigation case would not have uncovered the, come to the conclusion they're expecting number one, number two, he has been ready to testify for the longest time, it has been her office, democrats and even accuser's lawyers who have played a gotcha game pushing
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back, pushing back the timeline t was powerful. it was also powerful to hear from dr. ford as well. melissa: jessica, what was your impression hearing from each of them? this has come down to question of impressions. it is not an investigation at this point. they're just hairing from two side of what they have to say. who do you think, did they both seem credible? what was your impression? >> certainly i think they're both credible in their beliefs and convictions and makes it very difficult. this isn't a trial. this is not a criminal hearing even though there is a prosecutor, miss mitchell who is giving the questions. so it really is a sort of almost, it is circus-like in many ways. melissa: yeah. >> very unfortunate. i think, one of the upsetting things as we've seen both someone who obviously dr. blasey ford never been nor contemplate being in a hearing setting in the senate doing these questions as she stated in her opening statement. she was just trying to sort of give her had experience early on
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as anonymous person to the fbi to investigate. and, then now everything that is transpired, the hearings that are going on i don't think this is changing necessarily anyone's minds. the unfortunate thing you know, we're now seeing even more partisanship coming into even an out of the supreme court nominations speech. and i think that is very unfortunate because supreme court nominees were supposed to be dealing with a non-partisan, lifetime post here and it is now devolved into a situation 40 days out from the midterms where we're seeing you know, really i think for the nation, washington and politics, at its worst. melissa: yeah. david: patrice, talking about the midterms, i'm wondering if you think that the democrats, i mean clearly they have a political goal which was to delay the process, the confirmation process to be beyond the election, when they were hoping perhaps to pick up the senate where they could block any nominee for the next
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two years. do you think they have succeeded in doing that today? >> i don't think so. i meanwhile dr. ford, her testimony was, you know, very heart-felt, there were a lot of inconsistencies in her testimony. not just the ones we knew about where she couldn't figure out the time, the place and location, but one, the people who, she brought forward as people who should be corroborating her testimony, could not. they actually said that that they weren't there. this did not happen. so, those whos in her testimony make it seem like, yes, our hearts go out to her for something that might happened to her but did this really happen? when senators look at this situation and the testimony here, they're going to say, you know what? it still, doctor, judge kavanaugh is an incredible pick for the supreme court and this should not hold up that nomination. melissa: real quick, jessica, you want to respond to those, inconsists people pointed out in her testimony? >> i think it goes back to your initial point, this is not a
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criminal trial or a hearing and that neither one of these people really should be there to try to change people's mind in that point. because it is just going to be a he said/she said, that is all we're hearing today. unfortunately i think what has come out more, i would like to see more, you know, i understand that judge kavanaugh has been put in a situation that has been horrible for himself and for his family. but i would like to see more reserved from him and control in his remarks and the address that he is making that would be more in line with someone that i think would be, stoicness of a supreme court judge. melissa: before people said he was robot. now his life has been ruined. we have to go. we have a break right here. thanks to both of you. david: we also have huge news coming in. shares of tesla are dropping after hours. the sec just slapping ceo elon musk with a lawsuit charging him with securities fraud. we'll take you live to the new
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melissa: investors are closely watching the judge kavanaugh and dr. ford hearings on capitol hill. the dow snapping a three-day losing streak, lifted by shares of apple, boeing and visa. connell mcshane on floor of new york stock exchange. you have breaking news on tesla. reporter: i do. let me give you that news has tesla stock down 8 1/2% after-hours. elon musk, ceo of tesla is being accused of committing securities fraud by the securities & exchange commission. a complaint just released here in new york. i have a copy of the complaint here in my phone. i will read awe opening paragraph summary. that gives you an idea.
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he is accused of making a series of misleading statements. what it says in the paragraph, when musk talked about taking tesla private, his statements disseminated via twitter falsely indicated that, should he so choose, he certainly would take tesla private at purchase price that was a premium over where it was. i'm paraphrasing. in truth and in fact musk had not even discussed, much less confirmed key deal terms including price and any potential funding source. they said he had not confirmed any of this and made misleading and false statements. that will a big talk tomorrow morning. walking around the exchange floor today we saw every television tuned in to the hearing on capitol hill. we saw that reflected in the trading volume especially beginning of the day, christine blasey ford was testifying beginning the opening statement. at the end of the day when judge
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kavanaugh testified again, at 2:30 in the afternoon, trade was down, 7% below the one-month average. when kavanaugh was testifying, it was down 17% below average. that had noticeable. melissa: sorry to interrupt you, connell. we have judge kavanaugh setting back down. looks like the hearing is open again. david: we have james freeman and adam lashinsky to talk about tesla. the story of the hour is the hearing. let's go back to it. [inaudible]. >> don't apologize. melissa: hearing a little of
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inner workings as they get settled into their seats and decide to have a chance to go. let's listen. >> and again today, that mark judge was a close friend of yours in high school. now dr. ford as you know has said that he was in the room she was attacked. she also says you were too. unfortunately the fbi never interviewed him. we have not even have his attendance here. the chairman refuses to call him if she is saying mark judge was in the room then, he should be in the room here today. would you want him called as a witness? >> senator, this allegation came into the committee -- >> just asking the question, would you want him called to be here as a witness.
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>> he already provided sworn testimony. this 458 mitigation has been hid epden by the committee. >> it has not been investigated by the fbi. the committee refused to -- >> it was dropped on us, sprung. >> it was not investigate the by the fbi and he has not been called where he might be under oath. >> should have been handled in the due course senator, when it came in. >> i would disagree with that i've been on this committee 44 years, both republicans and democrats. i have never seen somebody that critical not allowed to be here called to be testified or fbi background. >> he has provided sworn testimony. and senator, let me finish. he, the allegation came in weeks ago and nothing was done with it by the ranking member. and then it is sprung on me. >> judge kavanaugh, i heard your line and you stated over and over again and, i have well in mind. let me ask you this, he authored
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a book titled, wasted, tales of a gen-x drunk. he reference as kavanaugh, somebody's car during beach week and passing out. is that you that he is talking about? >> senator, mark judge was -- >> to your knowledge is that he is talking about. >> i will explain if you let me proceed. >> please. >> mark judge was a friend of ours in high school, who developed a very serious drinking problem and addiction problem. that lasted decades and was very difficult for him to escape from and he nearly died. then he had lukemia as well on top of it. now as part of his therapy, or part of his coming to grips with sobriety he wrote a book that is a fictionalized book and, and account, i think he picked out names of friend of ours to throw
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them in and as kind of close to, what, for characters in the book so we can sit here -- >> you don't know whether that is out or not? >> we can sit here make fun of some guy that has an addiction. i don't think that is really good. >> i'm trying to get a straight answer from you under oath. are you, brian kavanaugh what he is referring to, yes or no? >> you would have to ask him. >> i a agree with you there. that is why i wish that the chairman had him here under oath. now, you talked about your yearbook. in your yearbook, you talked about drinking and sexual exploits, did you to the? >> senator, let me take a step back and explain high school. i was number one in the class.
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no, no. >> not only -- >> i'm going to talk about my high school. >> let him answer. >> i'm going to talk about my high school record to sit here and mock me. >> i think we were all very fair to dr. ford. shouldn't we be just as fair to judge kavanaugh. >> i busted my butt in academics. i always tried to do the best i could. as i recall finished one in the class, first, you know, freshman an junior year up at the top with steve clark and eddie ayala. we were always in the mix. i played sports. i was captain of the varsity basketball team. i was wide receiver and defensive back on the football team. i ran track in the spring of 80 two to try to get faster. i did my service projects at school which involved going to soup kitchen downtown. let me finish and going to tutor intellectual disabled kids at the rockville library. with the church. and yes, we got together with
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our friends. >> just reflect what you are? does this yearbook reflect your focus on academics and respect for woman? that is easy, yes or no. you don't have to filibuster to answer. does it reflect -- >> i already said the yearbook in my opening statement obviously -- >> he is asked a question. i will give you time to answer it. >> the yearbook as i said in my opening statement was something where the students and editors made a decision to treat some of it as farce and some of it as exaggeration, some of it celebrating things that don't reflect the things that were really the central part of our school. yes, we went to parties yes of course, we went to parties and yearbook page describes that and kind of makes fun of it. and as a, you know, if we want to sit here and talk about whether supreme court nomination should be based on a high school yearbook page i think that is
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taken us to a new level of absurdity. >> miss mitchell. >> we got a filibuster but not a single answer. >> miss mitchell. >> judge, do you still have your calendar that, calendars there. >> i do. >> i would like you to look at the july 1st entry. >> yes. >> the entry says, i quote, go to timmys for skis with judge, tom, p.j., bernie and sqe? >> sqe. that is a nickname. >> to what does this refer and to whom? >> so, first says tobin's house, workout. that is one of the football workouts, that we would have that dr. finesio would run for guys on the football team during the summer. so we would be there. that is usually six to eight or
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so, kind of till, near dark. then it looks like we when over to timmys. you want to know their last names too? i'm happy to do it. >> if you could identify, is judge, mark judge? >> it is. >> and is p.j., p.j. smyth. >> it is. so, it is tim gaude. it, mark judge, tom kane, p.j. smyth, chris garrett. >> chris garrett is sqee? >> it is. >> did you in your calendar routinely document social gatherings like house parties and gathering with your friend on your calendar. >> yes. appears that way what i was doing in the summer of 1982. you can see that reflected on several of the, several entries. >> if a gathering like dr. ford has described had occurred,
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would you have documented that? >> yes. because i documented everything, of those kind of events, eastern small get-togethers. august 7th, is another good example where i documented a small get-together that summer, so yes. >> august 7th, could you read that? >> go to becky's. matt, denise, laurie, jenny. >> have you reviewed every entry that is in these calendars of may, june, july, august of 1982? >> i have. >> is there anything that could even remotely fit what we're talking about in terms of dr. ford's allegations? >> no.
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>> as a lawyer and a judge, are you, we've talked about the fbi, are you aware that this type of offense would actually be investigated by local police? >> yes. i mentioned montgomery county police earlier, yes. >> are you aware that in maryland there is no statute of limitations that would prohibit you being charged, even if this happened in 1982? >> that is my understanding. >> have you at anytime been contacted by any members of local police agencies regarding this matter? >> no, ma'am. >> prior to your nomination for supreme court, you talked about all a of the female clerks you have had and women you worked with. i'm not just talking about them. i'm talking about globally. have you ever been accused either formerly or informally of
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unwanted sexual behavior? >> no. >> when i say informally, i mean just a female complains. it doesn't have to be to anybody else but you? >> no. >> since dr. ford's allegation was made public, how many times have you been interviewed by the committee? >> it has been, three or four. i'm trying to remember now. it has been self times. each of these new things, absurd as they are, would get on the phone and kind of go through them. >> so have you, two interviews similarly about dr. ford's allegation? >> yes. >> what about deborah ramirez's allegation that you waved your penis in front of her. >> yes. >> what about julie swetnick's allegation that you repeatedly
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engaged in drugging or gang raping or allowing women to be gang-raped. >> yes. yes, i have been interviewed bit. >> were your answer as to my questions today consistent with the answers that you gave to the committee in these various interviews? >> yes, ma'am. >> i'm out of time. >> senator durbin. >> thank you, mr. chairman. judge kavanaugh earlier today dr. christine ford said in that same chair she said under oath queerly unequivocally she was victim of sexual assault at your hands. she answered our questions directly and she didn't flinch at the prospect of submitting herself to an fbi investigation of these charges. we know and i'm sure she has been advised by her attorneys that a person lying to the fbi can face criminal prosecution. you have clearly and unequivocally denied that you assaulted dr. ford. with that statement, you must believe that there is no credible evidence or any credible witness that can prove
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otherwiseyou started off with an impassioned statement at the beginning, i can try to imagine what you have been through, what your family has been through, i'm sure you wouldn't get close to it. >> no, you wouldn't. >> i'm sure i wouldn't. impassioned statement. in course of it you said i welcome any kind of investigation. i quote you. i welcome any kind of investigation. i've got to suggestion for you. right now. turn to your left in the front row. to don mcgahn, counsel to president donald trump. ask him to suspend this hearing and nomination process until the fbi completes its investigation of the charges made by dr. ford and others and goes to bring the witnesses forward and provides that information to this hearing. i'm sure that the chairman at that point will understand that at that is a reasonable request, to finally put to rest these charges if they are false or to
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prove them if they are not. you spent two years in the white house office that approved judicial nominees. you turned to the february by and over and over and over again for their work. let's bring them in here here and now. turn to don mgann and tell him to get this done. >> stop the clock. this committee is running this hearing, not the white us, not don mcgahn, not even you as nominee. we are here today because dr. ford asked for an opportunity to hear. i know you did too as well. in fact maybe even before she did. we're here because people wanted to be herd -- herd from heard from activities that they thought were unfair or sexual
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assault is unfair. i want to assure senator durbin, regardless what you say to senator don mcgahn we're not suspending this hearing. proceed to answer the question or if, gentleman -- >> just say this. if you, judge kavanaugh, turn to don mcgahn and to this committee and say for the sake of my reputation, my family name and get to the bottom of the truth of this i will not be an obstacle to an fbi investigation. i would hope that all of the members of committee would join me we'll say awe abide by your wishes and we will have that investigation. >> i welcome whatever the committee wants to do. i'm telling the truth. >> i want to know what you want to do, judge. >> i'm innocent. i'm innocent of this charge. >> then you're prepared for an investigation? >> they don't reach conclusions. you reach the conclusion. >> they do investigate questions. you can't have it both ways, judge say here at the beginning. i welcome any kind of
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investigation. >> this thing was sprung on me, this thing was sprung on the last minute being held by staff. you know. judge and i called for a hearing immediately. >> if there is no truth to her charges, the fbi investigation will show that. are you afraid that they might not. >> gee whiz. >> you know, you know this is, you know that is phony question, because the fbi doesn't reach conclusions. they provide the 302s. with 302s so i can explain to people who don't know what that is. they do what you're doing. ask questions and then type up a report. they don't reach the bottom line conclusion. >> this morning i asked dr. ford this incident she ran into mark judge at safeway. six weeks after this occurrence. someone at "washington post" and went in and took ad look at mr. judge's book. has been able to, one he wrote about his addiction and alcoholism. and they have narrowed it down they think was period of time,
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six or eight weeks after the event. and he would have been working at the safeway at that point. so the point i'm getting to, we ad least can connect some dots here. get information. why would you resist -- >> there is dots. >> why would you resist that kind of investigation? >> i welcome, i wanted the hearing last week. >> i'm asking about the fbi investigation. >> the committee figures out how to ask the questions. i'll do whatever. i've been on the phone multiple time with committee counsel. >> judge kavanaugh will you support an fbi investigation right now. >> i will do whatever the committee wants -- >> personally, do you think that the best thing for us to do? >> >> you wouldn't answer? >> look, senator, i have said i want ad hearing and i said i was welcome to anything. i'm innocent. this thing was held, held, when it could have been presented in ordinary way.
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it could have been held and handled confidentially at first which was what dr. ford wishes were as i understand it. and wouldn't have caused this, destroyed my family like this effort has. >> i think an fbi investigation will help all of us on both sides of the issue. >> senator graham asked for the floor. but before he does, it seems to me that, if you want to know something you got the witness right here to ask him. secondly if you want an fbi report, you can ask for it yourself. i asked for fbi reports in the past. in the 38 years i've been in the senate. senator graham. >> are you aware that, at 9:23 on the night of july the 9th, the day you were nominated to the supreme court by president trump, senator schumer said, 23 minutes after
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your nomination, i will oppose judge kavanaugh's nomination with everything i have. i have a bipartisan, i hope a bipartisan majority will do the same. the stakes are simply too high for anything less. if you weren't aware of it, you are now. did you meet with senator diane feinstein on august 20th. >> i did meet with senator fine fine sty. >> did you know her staff recommended a lawyer to dr. ford? >> no i did not know that. >> did you you know and her staff had allegations for 20 days. >> i did know know at the time. >> if you wanted a fbi investigation you could have come to us. what you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open you hope you win in 2020. you said that. not my. you have got nothing to apologize for. when you see tote sotomayor and kagan, i voted for them.
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i would never do to them what you have done this to guy. this is the most unethical, sham, since i have been in politics. and if you really wanted to know the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't have done what you have done to this guy. are you a gang rapist? >> no. >> i cannot imagine what you and your family have gone through. boy, y'all you want power. i hope you never get it. i hope the american people can see through this sham. that you knew about it and you held it. you had no intention of protecting dr. ford, none. she is as much of a victim as you are. god, i hate to say it because these have been my friends. when it comes to this, you're looking for a fair process? you came to the wrong town at the wrong time, my friend. do you consider this is a job
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interview? >> the advise and consent role is job interview. >> do you consider you have been through a job interview? >> i've been through a process of advice and consent under the constitution. >> would you say you have been through hell? >> i've been through hell and then some. >> this is not a job interview. >> yeah. >> this is hell. >> -- >> this is going to destroy the ability of good people to come forward because of this crap. your high school yearbook. you have interacted with professional woman all your life. not one accusation. you're supposed to be bill cosby, when you are a junior and senior in high school and all of sudden you got over it. been my understanding that if you drugged women and raped them for two years in high school, you probably don't stop. here is my understanding. if you lived a good life, people
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will recognize it. like the american bar association has, the gold standard. his integrity is absolutely unquestioned. he is the very circumspect in his personal conduct. harbors no biases or prejudices. he is entirely ethical. is a really decent person. he has warm, friendly unassuming. he is the nicest person. the aba. one thing i can tell you, you sudden be proud of. ashley, you should be proud of this. that you raised a daughter who had the good character to pray for dr. ford. to my republican colleagues, if you vote no, you're legitimizing the most despicable thing i have seen in my time in politics. you want this seat. i hope you never get it. i hope you are on the supreme court. that is exactly where you should be.
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and i hope the american people will see through this charade. and i wish you well. and i intend to vote for you. i hope everybody who is fair-minded will. >> senator whitehouse. >> let things settle a little bit after that? >> if you want, we'll take a 60-second break. >> no, i'm good. i'm good. >> go ahead. >> one of the reasons, mr. kavanaugh that we are looking at the yearbook is that it is relatively consistent in time with the events at issue here, and because it appears to be your words. is it in fact your words on your yearbook page? >> we submitted things to the editors and i believe they took them. i don't know if they changed things or not. >> you're not aware of any
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changes? >> i'm not aware one way or the other but i'm not going to sit here and contest that. have at it if you want to go through my yearbook. >> i'm actually interested. lawyers should be working off of common terms and understanding the words that we're using. i think that is a pretty basic principle among lawyers, wouldn't you agree? >> it is if you're worried about my yearbook, have at it, senator. >> beach week, ralph club, biggest contributor. what does the word ralph mean? >> it was probably refers to throwing up. i'm known to have a weak stomach. last time i was here, you asked me about ketchup on spaghetti. i always asked a weak stomach. >> i don't know i asked about ketchup on spaghetti. >> you didn't. someone did. a lot of these people behind my know my whole life you know, i
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got a weak stomach, whether it is with beer or spicy food or anything. >> the vomiting you reference in the ralph club reference related to the consumption of alcohol? >> senator i was, the top of my class as dem i cannily. -- academically. busted my butt in school. captain the varsity basketball team. got into yale college. when i got into yale college, i got into yale college, got into yale la school. i worked my tail off. >> and did the word ralph you used? no i answered the question. if -- >> did it relate to alcohol? >> i like beer. i don't know if you like beer, senator or not? what do you like to drink? >> next one is -- >> senator, what do you like to drink. >> i don't know if it is buffed or booft. >> that refers to flat lens. we were -- flatulence.
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we were 16. [laughter]. >> so when your friend mark judge, put the same thing in his yearbook page back to you, he had the same meaning, it was flatulence? >> i don't know what he did but that is my recollection. we want to talk about flatulence at age 16 on yearbook page, i'm game. >> you mentioned, i think the renate or i don't know how you pronounce that. the proper name of an individual you know. >> renatta. >> renatta, spelled with a e and the end? renatte? >> correct. >> next to that word, a luminius. what does that mean in your opening statement. >> i explained that in the opening statementchichi hung out with us. the media circus reported that it referred to special. it did not. she said herself on the record any sexual interaction with her
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and i'm sorry, how that has been misinterpreted and sorry about that's a explained in my opening statement because she is a good person. and to have her name dragged through this hearing is a joke. and really an embarassment. >> devil's triangle? >> drinking game. >> how is it played? >> three glasses. in a triangle. >> and? >> have you ever played quarters? >> no. >> okay. it is a quarters game. >> ann dougherty? >> as you can tell from my calendar she had a party on the 4th of july in the beach in delaware. >> there are like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, fs in front of the 4th of july. what does that signify if anything? >> one of our friends, sqee. when he said the f-word, starting at a young age, had a wind-up to the "f" word, kind of
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a -- and then the word would come out. and when we were 15 we thought that was funny. and it became an inside joke for the, how he would say f-i won't repeat it here for the "f" word. >> referring to georgetown versus louisville -- >> you want more none the fs? >> orioles versus red sox in both you respond who won anyway or who won that game anyway? should we draw any conclusion that a loss of recollection associated with alcohol was involved in you not knowing who won the games that you attended? >> no. first of all the georgetown-louisville was watching it on tv. a party. and the -- >> not inconsistent with drinking not remembering what happened. >> i'm aware. and the point of both was, we in essence were having a party and didn't pay attention to the game even though the game was the excuse we had for getting together. i think that is -- very common. i don't know if you have been to
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a super bowl party, for example, senator, not paid attention to the game, hung out with your friend. i don't know if you done that or not. that is what we were referring to on those two occasion. >> senator cornyn. >> judge, i can't think of a more embarrassing scandal for the united states senate since the mccarthy hearings when the come men was about the cruelty of the process toward the people involved. and the question was asked, have you no sense of decency? and i'm afraid we've lost that, at least for the time-being. do you understand you've been accused of multiple crimes? >> i'm painfully aware for my family and me, to read about this. >> and -- >> breathless reporting. >> of course the sexual assault that dr. ford claims that you denied, then the claims of miss
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ramirez, that not even "the new york times" would report because they couldn't corroborate it, and then stormy daniels lawyer released a bombshell accusing you of gang rape. all of those are crimes, are they not? >> they are and i'm, i am never going to get my reputation back. my life is totally, and permanently altered. >> judge, don't give up. >> i'm not giving up. >> the american people, the american people are listening to this, and they will make their decision and i think you will come out on the right side of that -- >> i will always be a good person and try to be a good judge, whatever happens. >> so this is not a job interview. you have been accused of a crime. if you have lied to the committee and the investigators that is a crime in of it seven, correct? >> that is correct. >> so in order to vote against your nomination, we would have to conclude that you are a
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serial liar, and you have exposed yourself to legal jeopardy in the way in your interaction with this committee and the investigators, isn't that correct? >> that is my understanding. >> you talked in your interview on, with martha mack -- martha maccallum about a fair process. some of my colleagues on the other side of aisle, the burden is not on the accuser because this is a job interview, but the burden is on you, but you said you weren't there, it didn't happen. it is impossible for you to prove a negative. i would suggest you have been accused of a crime and a fair process under the united states constitution, under our notion of fair play, means that the people mo make an accusation have to come forward with some evidence? isn't that part of a fair process? >> yes, sir, senator. >> and the of that means, if
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you're going to make an allegation, there needs to be corroboration. in other words you're not guilty because you make an accusation against you in this country. we're not a police state. we don't give the government that kind of power. we insist the charges be proven by competent evidence. i know we're not in a court. i told my colleagues if we were in court half of them would be in contempt of court you have been accuse of a crime. if someone makes accusation against you, they need to come forward with corroboration and not just allegations. you're right to be angry. about the delays, in your ability to come here and protect your good name. in the interim, it just keeps getting worse. it is not dr. ford. it is this story that not ion "the new york times" would
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report. the allegation of miss ramirez. and then, stormy daniels lawyer comes up with this incredible story accusing you of the most sordid and salacious it's outrageous. and you're right to be angry. but this is your chance to tell your story, and i hope you have a chance to tell us everything you want to tell us, but the burden is not on you to disprove the allegations made, the burden under our system, when you accuse somebody of criminal conduct is on the person making the accusation. now i understand this isn't a trial, like i said, but i just wanted to make sure that we understoodment it's hard to reconstruct what happened 36 years ago, and i appreciate what you said about dr. ford. that perhaps she has h

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