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[closing bell rings] or outcome the market doesn't expect we think that is a big buying opportunity. liz: 19points, first day of october. that will do it for the claman countdown. >> huge rally on wall street. the market loved it. the dow ends up over 200 points higher on the day. it moved a little bit off session highs but then kind of rallied into the close again which was nice. s&p fighting for a record on the day. ending up higher by about 11 points. it falls short of a record high. still a good day. nasdaq in the red. we'll cover it all. it has been an interesting day as it usually is. i'm connell mcshane filling in for david asman. melissa: i'm melissa francis this is "after the bell." we have more on the big market movers but here is what else we're covering on the very big hour ahead. fixing nafta. much with a brand new agreement,
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this is important trade deal ever, supporting thousands of american johns. we'll take you live to the white house. comments on this week's fbi investigation into judge brett kavanaugh. why he says he is now calling for the fbi to expand its scope. tax cuts 2.0 going nowhere fast in the gnat. grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. >> dow starting with the rally. boosted by likes of boeing, chevron and ibm. deirdre bolton on floor of new york stock exchange with the wrap-up
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>> gm, ford's stocks closing higher and autos and dairy, were the two big sticking points in these conversations going back and forth between the u.s. and canada. both side made compromises. you had both of those stocks closing higher. other trade sensitive names. boeing, for example, one of the big dow gainers. taking a look as well, general sentiment a lot of traders u.s. made a deal with canada and mexico in the past. made a deal with the eu before that. perhaps china is next. that just buoyed this overall sentiment. i want to highlight as well ge, more of a corporate news mover if you like, ge quickly replacing the current ceo, replacing him with an outsider, idea being that someone from the
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outside of the company will be able to look at ge's challenges with a fresh set of eyes. lastly, we saw oil closing at a four-year high. so energy stocks strong across the board. back to you guys in the studio. connell: interesting day. autos and dairy. deirdre thanks. melissa: easing trade tensions, president trump taking a victory lap in a press conference after striking a brand new trade deal with canada and mexico. blake burman from the white house. that was quite a press conference. reporter: close to an hour, more like an hour and 15 minutes. president trump in the rose garden press conference describing the u.s. canada mexico agreement as historic. he said this would be specifically a win for dairy farmers and big win for auto industry as well. that it will transform the u.s. back into a manufacturing powerhouse. the reality of this going forward, the congress, the next congress that comes into session
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in 2019 have the ultimate day. they will have to give a thumbs up or thumbs down vote. president's trade rep bob lighthizer feels they won't have a issue on cap -- capitol hill. the president acknowledged there is some political uncertainty surrounding this. >> then it is up to congress. >> right. >> you're confident i get that. >> not at all confident. you tell me, you guys, tell me i think they will. >> if congress is controlled by democrats. >> cohappen. they're willing to -- they might be willing to throw one of the great deals for people and the workers. they may be willing to do that for political -- people, political purposes because frankly you know, they will have 2020 in mind. reporter: steel and aluminum tariffs still remain against canada and mexico. lighthizer saying today they will take a deep breath for a
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second. then take up the issue in a few days. in that press conference the president defended his use of tariffs worldwide. >> by the way without tariffs we wouldn't be talking about a deal. just for those babies out there that keep talking about tariffs, that includes congress. oh, please don't charge tariffs. without tariffs you wouldn't be, we wouldn't be standing here, i can tell you. we're totally prepared to do that if they don't negotiate. reporter: i asked the president related to china since he slapped $250 billion of tariffs against the country and threatened to put more as well, whether or not he is concerned that could potentially hold back the hot economy and hot market worried about future tariffs. the president told me this, quote, i'm using them to negotiate and hopefully we can make a great deal with china. connell, melissa, back to you. melissa: now we finally have the proof, blake, it can work. here is liz peek, a fox news
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contributor, danielle dimartino booth, former federal reserve advisor. liz, i hate to say i told you so to you and everybody out there he is trying to get a better deal. he doesn't want to wall off the entire country from all trade around the world. everybody says he needs one win in order to prove that. is this the win? >> absolutely. this is a big win for president and for the country. this is a pretty good rewrite of nafta which everybody wanted to see done. it is good for our farmers, because not only did we get some access to dairy markets in canada but poultry and eggs, other products farmers can be selling there. it is good for the auto sector and it is good for american workers. the idea democrats should they take over control of congress are going to nix this, i think it is ridiculous. this basically came out of labor unions initially when president clinton signed the nafta deal originally, he promised hundreds of thousands of jobs would be created as we exported stuff to
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mexico. turned out obviously to have a very different impact. i think this is a terrific outcome. melissa: danielle, the old saying is true, better is better. that is what this deal is. it is better than nafta. without question the democrats will point to things about it which aren't perfect which is the case as well. as the next congress goes and sits down and has the opportunity to take this up, do you think they will try to kill the deal? >> well, i think that there is going to be a lot of relief. where i'm sitting in dallas we recently had our first negative reading on our regional manufacturing survey. i can't tell you how long. that reflected anxiety on the parts of manufacturers, a lot of whom are democrats at the slowing that they have seen in the largest exporting state in the nation. i mean i wish some of these, some of these politicians could park themselves on the united states-mexico border to see the sheer volume, sheer amount of trade and commerce of all the
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railroad cars that go back and forth between these two countries. the fact that is now going to be safeguarded and strengthened going forward, i would be very remiss going forward if the democrats were to take the house going forward, if they were to try to flip any of this because there is going to be relief as we've seen in the markets today. i think we'll see a reversal of some of the anxiety we've seen here in the regions that are so dependent upon trade for employment. connell: let's go on to another big story today, guys, if we can, that would be tesla. that stock soaring in today's trading up 17 plus%. ceo elon musk with a settlement announced with the sec over the fraud charges he was facing from those tweets, you know, the i had my funding secured to take the company private tweets. so danielle this, time we'll start with you on this one. the stock goes way up today. there was an analyst last week said if elon musk left the company or forced to leave it would be 10 billion to the
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downside in market cap. what do you make of a company that reliant on a single person as tesla appears to be here? >> well i think you're talking about the genus of the world. what would have happened years ago had henry ford been removed from ford when it was in its infancy? i think the markets are interpreting this was more of a legal slap on a wrist than actually being eradicated to someplace where one of his spaceships can fly to. investors chose to take the middle ground to decide this is win/win and overhang and stress on company over these weeks has now disappeared. we can move on to something else and the company can move on. this man has not been exiled to an island. >> not at all, he can stay and basically run the company. he is not allowed to be chairman for a few years. he got a pretty good deal here. great teal. >> he got an incredibly good deal. it was not an errant tweet. it was a dishonest tweet that
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came out. connell: right. >> you're not supposed to manipulate stock prices in your favor. in this case he was trying to get rid of a lot of short sellers and penalize short sellers by virtue of making dishonest statements to your question really, shareholders need to hold this guy accountable because clearly the board is not primed to do that. now perhaps we'll see some change in governance i think is long overdue. connell: you're good, liz, a company that is this reliant on a single individual which it still will by the way even after this deal? >> that is not unheard of, right? there are other public companies, obviously steve jobs was really, really critical to apple for a great many years but in this case steve jobs had his problems. had his ups and downs, left the company and came back. i don't know what the future of elon musk is but i think people, i'm surprised the stock is way back to where it was. i think investors need to watch and make sure that he is not telling reporters and telling
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analysts projections, for example, of production or cash flow need which are not accurate because i think he has a little bit of history doing that. melissa: take away his twitter. moving on to another top story, california governor jerry brown signing a bill into law making it the first case to require public companies to have a female on the board of directors. hillary vaughn has the details from los angeles. what a great idea, legislating exactly who people have to have on their board, hillary. what could possibly go wrong? reporter: good point, melissa. jerry brown's whole point to have more women in corporate leadership. so he decided to make it against the law for some corporations to have all men sitting on their board of directors. brown's law will try to close the gender gap in business by forcing them to hire women or fining them hundreds of thousands of dollars if they don't. this law, if implemented would impact hundreds of california corporations, over 370 large
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firms in the russell 3,000 have all male boards. they would need to make major hiring changes in just over a year to get in compliance with the new law. over 30 business groups spoken out in opposition of this. six different chambers of commerce around the state have taken a stand against it also, calling it unconstitutional but even governor jerry brown admits this law may not even be legal, saying in a statement, there are numerous objections to the bill and serious legal concerns have been raised. i don't minimize the potential flaws indeed may prove fatal to its ultimate implementation. nevertheless recent events in washington, d.c., make it crystal clear have into the getting message. every company incorporated in california will have to one woman on the board. by summer of 2021. one person, if there are six or more people there need to be three women on the board f
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businesses don't comply they will pay a massive fine. under the law, businesses that keep their all male boards and don't comply will pay $100,000 for the first violation or any violation after that, melissa, 300,000-dollar fines are what they will have to fork over. melissa: unbelievable. california is really a special place, hillary. good luck out there. see you soon. liz and danielle are back to react. danielle, first of all way to really kneecap the woman as you send her into the boardroom, oh, look who just came in, the person mandated to be here. it is, there is so much wrong with this. where would you start? >> look, i think first of all we should all be based on our merits. i started out my career on a trading floor. i couldn't find another woman on trading floor at the time. i was there based on my merits. i wouldn't want to be placed there because of my gender. she mentioned, the reporter mentioned seven different
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chambers of commerce including california chamber of commerce and many female law professors come out been very outspoken about this this is a place for shareholders to be. state street came out many moons ago, mandating the same thing. this is a place for shareholders to be for investors to be but this is not a moment to take advantage of, to politically grandstand based on a moment in time. it really is discouraging and it is discouraging for the younger girls as well. we all need to be raised based on our merits, not on our gender. melissa: liz, not only that, you're talking about public companies here. so you're going to dictate to them they have to have a woman on the board. what about the shareholders? you don't like the board of a company or plenty of great reasons to have a woman on the board, longer term horizons, all kind of stuff, if you think it is worthwhile. keep the stock f you think there are a bunch of shoaf --
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chauvinists on the board sell the stock. >> here is the thing, melissa, i read a study earlier this year done by the outcome of this kind of legislation in norway, for example. and guess what? it really doesn't result in women rising more rapidly through the ranks. i think in europe where they have 30 to 40% quotas onboard, you have seen no discernible improvement in women's positions in the ceo ranks or c-suite. it hasn't helped women at all. i would argue as you intimated earlier, it builds resentment. in fact during the financial crisis we had women on the boards of some of the big banks, women heads of foundations or heads of schools. turned out they were really not prepared. melissa: they didn't know snuff about finance? >> they weren't the best board people to have. you should have the best-equipped people on the boards. forget the gender or anything else. melissa: titans of that
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industry. that is part of the problem. women haven't risen gone on, you don't have the pool to bring them back to be on the board. this isn't the solution. thanks to both of you. and connell? connell: yes. melissa: you know in two weeks, did anyone tell? you will permanently right here in the seat. connell: this chair. melissa: starting on monday october 15th, catch us right here at the normal time at 4:00 p.m. eastern. connell: what about asman? melissa: david, who is david, david asman, he is not going far. he will host a new show. "bulls and bears," right here at 5:00 p.m. eastern, "the evening edit" with emac, liz macdonald, will then move to 6:00 p.m. eastern. it all starts just two weeks from today. did anyone tell you. this is the first you're hearing of it. connell: how awkward would that be if asman not getting his whole show. that would be really weird. what about asman? i'm excited. i always loved doing the show to
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fill in. melissa: now you're stuck with me all the time. connell: we like working together. , don't we? melissa: absolutely, now we're stuck together all the time. coming up the trump administration celebrating the new trade deal they call historic with mexico and canada. we'll talk about, the impact it could have on you, the consumer. melissa: making individual tax cuts permanent. expanding incentives for retirement savings, part of tax cuts 2.0 passed house. going nowhere in the senate though. grover norquist, president for americans for tax reform sounds off. connell: the supreme court beginning a new term today shorthanded as you may have heard. the president calling for expanded fbi investigation of brett kavanaugh. with all that happening, senator bill cassidy here with the latest details to break down this afternoon. >> i want it to be comprehensive. i think it's a good thing for judge kavanaugh. i think it is good thing, not a bad thing.
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melissa: breaking news right now. president trump arriving at joint base andrews. the commander-in-chief is making his way to tennessee for a campaign rally and fund-raiser,. governor, phil bredesen. connell: a lot of campaigning this week, actually for the president. this is kind of interesting. a source this afternoon told fox news, that president trump has given the fbi the green light to expand the fbi supplemental background check with brett kavanaugh. speak to anyone might be helpful as they do that. kavanaugh faces allegations from three different women. and it also comes as the supreme
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court is back in session today. edward lawrence is there for us. edward. >> hi court went back into session today. one justice short, one seat left open here. as early as tomorrow. as you said the president has ordered the fbi now to talk to anybody that he deems fit for this investigation. as long as it wraps up this week. now, friends who have, were named at the party, from dr. christine ford, have said that they have already been interviewed by the fbi and answered those questions truthfully. now the scope of the investigation is now what has democrats upset. >> questions have been raised about, the credible and serious allegations, made by, dr. blasey ford as well as by deborah ramirez and julia swetnick must
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be investigated without limits or constraints, apparently placed by the white house. no straitjacketing. no micromanaging. no limits. >> the president is still saying standing behind kavanaugh, he does not believe the fbi investigation will come up with anything new and i says that he does not have a plan b. >> if they find something i will take that into consideration. absolutely. i have a very open mind. the person that takes that position is going to be there for a long time. i have a very open mind. i just think he is an outstanding person. i think he has been treated horribly. >> and president would like to see a full quota of justices hear these cases. first oral argument is about property rights. can designate endangered species on private land for an area for that. even though the species didn't live in that property, though it
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could, according to the government. that is the case they heard today. generally justices will not decide on a case if they do not hear the oral arguments if likely the case kavanaugh is confirmed to the supreme court. i can tell you that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell leader mitch mcconnell said actually there will be a vote on kavanaugh up or down this week. connell: that is important. this week by the end of the week. the president talked about speed today. edward lawrence today. melissa. melissa: here is louisiana senator bill cassidy. sir, thank you for joining us. do you think that is the case, wrapped up and a vote before the end of the week? >> i do. at outset, you said that the fbi would have a week to figure it out. james comey had a, "new york times" interview or editorial, whatever you think of the editorial. he said that the fbi can accomplish this within a week. and so, i think it will happen and i think the vote will take place. i think kavanaugh will be approved. melissa: you already hear democrats complaining why are
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you limiting time. nothing is going to make them feel good about this process. it seems in spite of the fact senator flake thought they would feel better about the process. it counts as those who are on the fence. lisa merck cows -- lisa murkowski and susan collins. i can't speak for their minds. i can speak about the facts. four people they were there said it didn't happen. her best friend. her best friend thinks about. dr. ford said they were there, didn't happen. when you got four people saying it didn't happen, one person said it did, becomes uncorroborated. at that point i hope my senate colleagues on both sides of the aisle, move beyond ideology and sense of fair play. vote for a guy who lived his whole life with just sterling character. melissa: do you think this is where we moved with all of these confirmations going forward.
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they are all going to be like this. >> i absolutely do unfortunately. the left is so upset about the supreme court. they're so upset about president trump, that they are going to pull out all stops. by the way, they are very transparent about this. at outset they do whatever they could delay judge kavanaugh. they kept dr. ford's letter hidden until he was about to be approved, and then reveal it. do whatever they do have to delay. if they take back the senate, they take back the senate, they block any trump appointee. melissa: before we run out of time, will it go back to their side, lindsey graham made this point, republican doesn't do that to democrats. wouldn't it be fair play next time we have democratic president? >> clearly the concern will damage the structure of the senate, which is already partisan but have no respect for
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other people. they have shown no respect for judge kavanaugh, no respect for dr. ford. they seem not to care about collateral damage. i hope it doesn't go back. i truly hope it is not pay back. but i can't, the damaged institution. we have to see that damage leads us to. melissa: finally before i let you go, the finance committee will look at nafta deal. what do you think of what you heard today and what you -- >> what i heard. got to review it. louisiana has a positive balance of trade with both canada and mexico. we have four of the top 10 ports by tonnage. will create a lot of jobs and stevedores and a lot of farmers that ship through our ports. i think it will be good for all. senator cassidy, appreciate your time. connell: we'll talk more about that deal coming up in a moment. taxes and trade together. tax cuts 2.0. passing through the house as the president solidifies the new deal with canada and mexico.
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>> there are some who are worried because of the threat of future tariffs it could potentially stifle an economy that is hot, a hot market that is hot, yet today you have once again hey, as it relates to china more tariffs are coming down the line. are you worried that potentially you are somewhat suppressing this economy from running further? >> no, i'm using them to negotiate. connell: so president trump shooting down the idea back and forth with our buddy blake burman, the tariffs could hurt the economy. could they and will they? grover norquist, americans for tax reform president. always good to see you. the idea behind blake's question, markets are up 200 points. all the economic indicators that
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we have are excellent. with this trade war on going, with the chinese, will that at some point cut into economic growth? what do you think? >> well, it certainly can because tariffs are just another word for taxes. connell: right. >> what happened so far the president went to the europeans and we need to re think european union trade. he threatened tariffs. they decided to go to zero, zero, tariffs. zero none tariffs barriers and zero subsidies. you can't screw up a negotiation where your goal is to get to complete free trade in europe. we didn't have a trade war and moved in exact opposite direction. with canada and mexico we look at things come up with a deal. i don't think it is terribly exciting, what it isn't is a on going trade war? connell: china? >> china you and us, everybody else settled down. we would like to come to a deal.
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they steal a lot of our intellectual property. they are really bad actors in number of areas. connell: sure. >> doesn't bother me to sell stuff inexpensively. that is good idea. good for consumers. stealing end exare wall property, particularly in the -- intellectual property in high-tech industries has to come to an end. >> what the president said, answering blake, handing out credit, something melissa talked a lot about, the tariffs are there to be used as negotiating tactic. criticized, i don't want all the tariffs. using them literally to negotiate. so, what about grover norquist who points out you said this for years, tariffs are taxes. what about tariffs as a negotiating tactic? >> if it's short negotiation and you get to freer trade, then the gamble worked t appears to have worked in europe. it appears to worked out okay in north america. but there is always the danger
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that tariff wars, tariff negotiations turn into tariffs. tariffs are taxes on american consumers n tariffs, both countries shoot into the own populace. it is damaging thing, goes on for any length of time? it gets through the house, not going anywhere beyond that. must be frustrating for someone like you? >> it won't pass this year because the democrats will not allow anything to pass because they can filibuster. it will pass next year as written it passed the house three different pieces of this bill one got 30 democrat votes. we had a few democrats put themselves on record, not
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completelying hating taxpayers before the election. this is what will pass. in january, february, march if we have a republican house and senate. worth fighting for worth remembering to vote for, very pro-growth, very pro-savings, pro-innovation and very good for families. and smaller businesses. it's a great collection. we should add to it. it's a great first start. connell: good to see you, grover, thanks a lot for coming on. >> good to be with you. connell: threw out credit for you. this whole working together thing will work out. melissa: don't think i didn't notice that i wrote it down. a rocky road to the midterms. growing concerns about the impact of the judge kavanaugh confirmation battle on negative elections. is there value reaching across political aisles. making good on his promises, president trump touting new trade deal with canada and mexico. the impact of the new deal. that is next.
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>> there will be a manufacturing powerhouse to allow us to reclaim a supply that has been off shored to the world because of unfair trade issues. >> it is an agreement that removes uncertainty for our manufacturers and investors, and improves labor rights for all north americans. connell: so both president trump and canadian prime minister, justin trudeau touting this new trilateral trade deal between
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nations of mexico. what does it really mean for business? we're joined by scott greenwood, canadian american business council ceo. thanks for coming on today. we appreciate the perspective. i think, there are a lot of writing earlier this was, kind of the new nafta, same as old nafta, significant differences, especially autos. what stood out to you as maybe the biggest win as we could put it that way for businesses? >> what stands out to me, connell, we've taken a step back from the brink of economic chaos, which we were standing on. earlier, david and melissa we were talking about grover norquist, tariffs are taxes on the american people. we were in the world of tariffs and retaliation. we haven't quite solved the steel and aluminum tariffs yet. connell: right. >> this took away a lot of uncertainty. took a way a lot of investment uncertainty, took us back for the brink of jumping over a cliff. this is $1.2 trillion
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relationship. this is the largest in the world. awfully significant today. not only done but not. connell: it was not necessarily about all the details, now we know, now we can plan for the future. to your point about tariffs being taken off. canada wanted to get rid of steel tariffs at 25%? how do you feel this is playing up north or have you heard in terms how it looks for trudeau. does it look like he gave in to president trump and not getting that and other things in the deal? >> i think prime minister trudeau held out for a really good deal for canadians. they got several good deals for canadians including dispute resolution, which is something u.s. resisted, a good day for canada. no doubt about it, disappointing steel and aluminum tariffs are not dealt with. president will go to tennessee, he will hear an earful from tennessee businesses subject to canadian retaliation. a water heater manufacturerring
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is suffering under tariffs in retaliation. it is not over. it is progress. but we need to get rid of these tariffs. they are attacks on americans. connell: other thing you will hear from, i think you hear from workers who like it. one of the takeaways, a lot of people had this was a win for the unions, usually how it is phrased, but certainly for a win for workers, higher wages. but on business side, what about costs? if you have to make a car with 75% north american content instead of 62 1/2%, that is a bigger difference, that could lead to higher costs, is that a concern? >> that's right. businesses are looking at their bottom lines. on one hand you have a favorable tax climate in the united states. that is benefit. you have decrease in regulations. you have uncertainty from the trade front. you have uncertainty about how much content from north america. businesses can plan for that. to the extent that cars are more expensive that is something that the marketplace will have to adjust to. but i think, on the whole it is
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a very good day for business. connell: you could see it on the markets. dow up 193 today, to your first point, removing a lot of uncertainty gets this into the rear view mirror. scotty, thanks for coming on. >> thank you so much, connell. good to be with you. melissa: president trump is making his way to volunteer country. details of the high-stakes senate battle on the president's trip to tennessee. we're live on the ground, that is next. the riskiest job. the consequences underwater can escalate quickly. the next thing i know, she swam off with the camera. it's like, hey, thats mine! i want to keep doing what i love. that's the retirement plan. with my annuity i know there's a guarantee. annuities can provide protected income for life. learn more at retireyourrisk.org annuities can provide protected income for life. ♪ ♪
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too sharp, too partisan? >> there is no value reaching across the aisle anymore. there is no currency or no incentive. melissa: senator jeff flake explaining why he couldn't ask for another fbi probe of supreme court nominee judge brett kavanaugh running for re-election in november. how will the kavanaugh controversy impact the midterms? bre payton, a staff writer at "the federalist". chris at this setzer, new heights communication. is there no value in reaching across the aisle? >> i wish that he were wrong but he does appear to to be right. even in last couple years our politics gone from partisan to purely tribal. look at republican party a lot of people couple years ago if you said to them, got a guy, running for president. has a dozen sexual assault
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allegations against them, will you vote for that. melissa: democrats would vote for him because vote for guys with sexual assault allegations. but is unusual. >> we're talk about the democrats and republicans do this, right? that is what is calls comes to. unfortunate. that is really sad here, saying we can't get beyond, it is democrats always do that, not republicans. melissa: absolutely bree. that is exactly where christie took it too right away, to republican versus democrat. is it about, do you, is anybody on either side get any credit for reaching across the aisle or does that brand you soft and a traitor? i think that is what we're really talking about is that for republicans, he is a r.i.n.o. you can't count on him. for democrats, same thing with the progressive movement. democrats who try to be towards the middle, get vilified. is that where we are in this time in politics. >> yeah. i mean sadly that is where
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things are at the moment, right? but to be honest, i don't think that that's the real reason why jeff flake decided to do this? i think that in the case of brett kavanaugh there is pretty binary choice here to do what's right. the other thing is to do what is politically expedient and what is wrong. he chose to do what is politically expedient as he exits his time in office. i think he is trying to paint it as trying to reach across the aisle and other things like that. but i think that is -- coward. melissa: that is fair argument to that, right? if you're looking at it, scott pelley, so sanctimonious, you know that is not really motivating people f you're really cynical. flake was giving cover to the republicans that were on the fence, susan collins and lisa murkowski and giving them this week so that they can, you know feel better or have political cover to go ahead and vote for kavanaugh. christie, what do you think of
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that? >> that is absolutely one way to look at it. that is one way i think a lot of democrats, that is their greatest fear, this is just a fig leaf and that it is giving them cover. the other way to look at it is that we're going to push for -- may or may not actually been his intent but democrats and maybe some republicans are going to actually look for there to be a real investigation of both, not just these sexual assault allegations but number of times potentially lied under oath, right? this is something you do not want in a supreme court just tis f there is a real investigation that would be great thing. i don't know that there will be. melissa: brie, they will say, what christie just said, what democrats will say. you had the investigation. that doesn't count t wasn't enough. there weren't enough people. there is nothing you can do to make them feel like there was an investigation. do you have that cynical point of view as well? >> 100%. that was the position staked out before donald trump even named brett kavanaugh. when it was a decision between
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amy barrett and brett kavanaugh, a number of other justices you were getting that narrative they would be illegitimate. because they view donald trump as illegitimate. everything that he does as illegitimate. they will try to -- melissa: we solved it, ladies. we have to go. thank you for your time. connell: something more uplifting coming up. 60 years of the space program. how nasa celebrating what is of course a major milestone. we'll have that next. hi, kids! i'm carl and i'm a broker. do you offer $4.95 online equity trades? great question. see, for a full service brokerage like ours, that's tough to do. schwab does it. next question. do you offer a satisfaction guarantee? a what now? a satisfaction guarantee. like schwab does. man: (scoffing) what are you teaching these kids? .. and low costs, backed by a satisfaction guarantee. if you don't like their answer,
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>> nasa at 60. the agency celebrated its 60th anniversary today honoring the achievements and sacrifices made to the men and women of the u.s. space program. >> nasa continuing to explore galaxy and beyond. currently planning to send name men to mars. president trump once asked not to return to the moon at the foundation for future missions
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to mars. the last time a human being set foot on the moon was apollo 16. it wasn't david asman? it's a little too early for us to make fun of him. here's the evening that it appeared >> we successfully completed negotiations on a brand-new deal to terminate and replace nafta appeared >> the u.s. and ca will uncover $2 trillion, easily making it the biggest agreement and history. >> would've done it in 14 months and believe me and trade negotiating terms that is like warp speed. >> nasa had to be shakespeare's >> president trump has been able to make a deal where everybody is better off. >> no other person could've done it. >> new deal will be the most

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