the madness of this guy. you know, it is conceivable that this guy's just a great marketer, susan. susan: he absolutely is because now his painting, the worth has gone up. i'm suspicious that somebody was in on it. david: the auctioneer didn't seem as surprised as i thought he should have. great to have you here today. susan: good to see you as well. david: evening edit starts right now. >> this period has been so traumatizing for so many folks. >> false charges, false accusations. >> we have a presumption of innocence in this country. >> this whole impeachment thing, you know what? i'm very focused on the here and now. >> i'm happy that those who tried to destroy his life fell short. i'm glad those who tried to overturn the rule of law and replace it mob rule of law. i've never been more upset in my life. >> it was a disgraceful

situation brought about by people who are evil and he toughed it out. >> we are moments away from justice kavanaugh's ceremonial swearing-in at the white house. president trump will be there. fox business will bring it to you live. this as angry democrats now vow a day of reckoning with the midterms a month away. no longer talking about the mueller investigation or bob woodward's book, instead focusing on impeaching kavanaugh, even getting rid of the electoral college, even the senate to confirm supreme court nominees. we've got their plan and the debate coming up. a new report says the sexual assault victim who cornered senator jeff flake in the senate elevator is actually a six figure paid executive at a liberal group funded and paid for by george soros. the author of that ground breaking story is here to discuss the rise of astro turf activism threatening mob rule in d.c. thank you for joining us. thank you for watching. money politics we have the debate behind tomorrow's

headlines. i'm elizabeth macdonald, the evening edit starts right now. welcome to the show. quick check of the markets. the dow ended up 39 points to 26,486. rising for first time in three days. gains though were capped on fears of higher interest rates. we will get to your money in a second. first less than two hours from now, president trump will oversee the swearing-in of justice kavanaugh at the white house. he will then take off on a tour to barn storm for republicans for the midterm. the president now overseeing a rare and historic feat. it's something we haven't seen in decades. the president now joining lbj and fdr in having his governing party control all three main branches of government. and that's got democrats really angry. they are focusing on impeaching brett kavanaugh, impeaching

donald trump, getting rid of our constitutional institutions, like the electoral college in the senate. msnba for example over the weekend tweeted out quote: >> then there's socialist alexandria cortez also joining hilary clinton in saying that quote it is well past time we get rid of the electoral college, a shadow of slavery's power on america today that undermines our nation as a democrat republic. all fail to recognize that the last electoral college is exactly what the founding fathers wanted because the founding fathers feared mob rule. they wanted to protect states rights and our constitutional republic, but all this has leftist protesters broke through a police line and pounded at the supreme court doors while judge kavanaugh was being officially sworn inside.

despite calls on the left to impeach kavanaugh, democrat senator hirono is now advising democrats hold off, focus on the midterms instead. >> he's going to be on the supreme court with a huge taint and a big asterisk after his name. everyone knows that when you just interview a small number of people and not the dozens of others who wanted to be interviewed by the fbi, that is a sham. and it raises more questions than it answers. the whole impeachment thing i'm focus on the here and now which is all of these very angry women -- >> and democrat senator saying it is premature for house democrats to be talking about impeaching kavanaugh. >> we are just less than a month away from an election. folks who feel very strongly one way or the other about the issues in front of us, should get out and vote and participate. there's only ever been one justice that's been impeached and i think talking about it at

this point isn't necessarily healing us and moving us forward. >> but here's the plan that we're finding out democrats want to do. it's in the talking stages now. to get what they want, democrats plan to call for a constitutional convention. to get that two thirds majority of the states to change the constitution and possibly change the democracy forever. democrat groups claim -- they claim without proof, that they are just six states shy of a 34 states they need to do that. let's bring in harvard law professor alan dershowitz, also a great author of a recent book. so great to see you. what is your take on the demands to get rid of the electoral college in the senate and this whole constitutional convention idea? >> well, if we had a constitutional convention, i think we would see great damage done to 250 years of american history. i think the first thing people would want to do is abolish the 1st amendment and the 5th amendment. they would want to abolish a range of other considerations

that make it inefficient sometimes to govern, but protect rights. look, we have had a constitution. it is the longest constitution enduring constitution in the history of western democracies. it is not broken. if i had my way, would i change the electoral college? yes, i would. would i change the make up of the senate so that a california senator represents so many more people than a wyoming senator? sure. but you live with the imperfections of a constitution because the constitution on balance is so extraordinarily effective. i would be opposed to that kind of a constitutional convention. liz: let's move on to democrats trying to -- thinking about impeaching brett kavanaugh. is that constitutional? >> it is not constitutional. you have to impeach only if a person has committed treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors, while serving in office. you can't go back and say we're going to impeach him for what he did when he was 17 years old. then you can't say well all

right we're not going to impeach for what he did when he was 17, we will impeach for what he said he did when he was 17 as he testified in front of the congress. that's what the republicans tried to do with bill clinton. and democrats like me strongly opposed that when it was directed against bill clinton. some of the same people who are opposed to impeaching clinton for perjury who want to impeach kavanaugh on a much weaker case for perjury. liz: democratic representative jerry nadler says if democrats do take the house, nadler would do that because he would be house judiciary committee chair. so they are talking impeachment here on kavanaugh and trump. there are 27 toss up house races democrats need and that's 23 to regain the house. the other thing that's going on, alan, is president trump is blasting senator murkowski for saying she will never recover from voting no on kavanaugh. he also went off script at the mississippi rally, alan, calling on christine blasey ford, he

said he made fun of her to even the playing field. he was mocking her. critics are saying that was wrong for the president and it was unkind of him to mock her. when even republicans like susan collins say something did happen to dr. ford? >> uh-huh. i have no doubt something happened to dr. ford. and having watched her, it seemed to me that she was try her best to tell the truth. whether she remembered everything, whether it was a proper identification, it is a long time ago. people can disagree. but the president is wrong to mock her. the president is wrong to say this was all made up charges. i think at least one of them, the one involving avenatti's client may well -- i'm not sure -- may well have been made up. she might have never met the man. she traveled in different social circle. she was years older. anybody who supports as i do the me too movement ought to understand that the me too movement doesn't mean that all women tell the truth. there's no genetically linked disposition for truth telling or lying by either men or women. every single claim has to be

thoroughly investigated. many will stand up. some will not stand up. liz: well put. here's the other story, alan. msnbc panelist saying that republicans are setting the country up for a, quote, thousand year -- like nazi germany with the kavanaugh appointment. let's listen. >> trump has delivered for these people on the things that they care about most. he has delivered racism for these people. he has delivered the supreme court for these people, which is something that they have been trying to get for a generation. we're going to see if this -- if this reign that they now have control over all three branches of government, we will see if this reign lasts for 30 days or two years or a thousand year because that is how -- that is what these people have set themselves up for. >> it's despicable for anybody to make that comparison. when you start comparing our president whether you voted for him -- i did not -- or not,

you're becoming a holocaust denier. what you are saying is if trump hitler and the republicans are the nazi party, then there were no gas chambers, there were no killing fields, there were no death camps. you have to stay away from analogies to that. we have a system of checks and balances in place. when the president tried to separate families at the border, the american people didn't accept that. industry didn't accept it. the churches didn't accept it. the academy didn't accept it. ultimately the courts weighed in. our system of democracy is being tested. but it is working. it is work efficiently. if democrats want to take over the government, they have to come out and vote in large numbers for both the house and the senate in november. that's whey'm planning to do. -- that's what i'm planning to do. calling us the third reich is going to hurt the democrats and hurts americans terribly. we need to move forward instead of trying to divide us along

these rhetorical lines using naziism as a rhetorical device. it is a disgrace. liz: we have senator hirono firing back at republican senator collins for her comments on accuser dr. ford. senator hirono says senator collins was insulting to ford and other victims of sexual assault. >> -- say she doesn't believe that now justice kavanaugh assaulted ford. what's your reaction? >> she says that she thinks that -- she says that dr. ford thinks that she was assaulted, which is even p more insulting than saying that she gave a very credible account. liz: we didn't hear senator collins say the word think that she was assaulted. senator collins said her decision to confirm kavanaugh came down to a, quote, lack of corroborating evidence, and that she doesn't believe kavanaugh was ford's attacker because she watched closely what ford was

saying. let's listen to senator collins. >> i am convinced that dr. ford believes what she told us. we have a presumption of innocence in this country. and when i looked evidence, including no evidence from her very best friend, who was present at the party, i could not conclude that brett kavanaugh was her assailant. liz: senator collins has said that she is agreeing with dr. ford that something happened to her, but alan, the consensus was that four witnesses that dr. ford put up either refuted or could not corroborate including her friend leland keyser who said she doesn't even recall ever meeting kavanaugh. meaning ford's case was even weaker than a he said/she said case. that's the issue. >> nobody will ever know what went on in that room exactly.

i think you can watch her. you can come to the conclusion she seemed to be credible. that was my conclusion. you can watch kavanaugh and come to the conclusion that he seemed credible. although he did say certain things that i wish he hadn't said. but we'll never know for certainty. i think the most you can say is i think. i think this is probably the way it came out. if this were a criminal trial, it would result in an acquittal, which wouldn't mean he's innocent. it just means that he wasn't proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. liz: because you believe in the burden of proof, that does mean you are against all sexual assault victims and you don't believe any of them? >> no, i think you believe the ones that are credible. i think you don't have a presumption certainly not in a criminal trial that because she claims to be a victim, she's telling the truth or because the man is denying it that he's lying. you have to look at all the evidence, all the evidence, put it together and come to a holistic conclusion. liz: and support sexual assault victims when they have been attacked. >> and also people who have been

falsely attacked, support their rights as well. liz: great to see you, alan. buy his book. lou dobbs will have special coverage of president trump's ceremonial swearing-in of supreme court justice kavanaugh tonight. he was officially sworn in on saturday. live coverage on 7:00 p.m. eastern time right here on fox business. number of salaried positions around the world, ford expected to know where and whom to cut by the second quarter of 2019. google shutting down google plus after "wall street journal" report exposed that social media network had revealed the personal data of hundreds of thousands of users and reportedly sat on that information. didn't tell anybody. let's get to the markets. three major indices end of the day mix. we are on the floor of the new york stock exchange with the latest. >> markets closed mixed on this columbus day. the dow spending most of the day in the red.

down around 200 points midday. towards the end of the afternoon, had a slight gain of 1/10 of a percent. as for the s&p 500 and the nasdaq, never quite made to it the green side. both finishing the day lower. tech was the heaviest weight all day on the markets. google, a big part of that, closing the day down .7%. google said that a bug exposed 500,000 users' data as part of the google plus functionality, data such as the user's name, e-mail address, occupation, gender and age could have been hacked. google though saying there's no evidence that the data had been misused. our colleagues at the "wall street journal" say that google became aware of this bug back in march, but did not report it because the company feared regulation. that is the very latest from the new york stock exchange. back to you. liz: great to see you. next up, this video of liberal

protesters screaming, banging at the supreme court's heavy bronze doors. it was a fruitless last-minute effort to stop the swearing-in of judge kavanaugh. american majority ceo ned ryan is here to talk about that. but first an editor at the media outlet vice news now saying some liberal antikavanaugh protesters were paid big bucks to help create antirepublican moments that would go viral on social media. my next guest is breaking news all over the place. she says that sexual assault victim who cornered jeff flake in the senate elevator is actually paid a six figure salary from a liberal group funded and paid for by george soros. she is author and former "wall street journal" reporter, on her ground breaking journalism, after this. you're headed down the highway when the guy in front slams on his brakes out of nowhere.

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>> we talked to one woman who works who was paid. >> there were people who were paid by organizations like ultraviolet to try to harness that energy in a way that would make the viral moments that we ended up seeing. liz: goes even further than that. that was an editor at the media outlet vice news saying antikavanaugh protesters were paid to help make, quote, viral moments that would go viral on social media. this as an activist and sexual assault victim who cornered jeff flake in that senate elevator does not deny being paid to protest. watch. >> you are allowing someone who is unwilling to take responsibility for his own actions to sit at the highest court of the country and to have the role of repairing the harm that has been done in this country to many people. no, no thank you. what do you say?

>> [inaudible]. >> no, i want to talk to him. >> are you going to respond? >> i understand. but tell me -- i'm standing right here in front of you. liz: so after that came out, it was revealed and she didn't deny it, that this protester basically was paid -- the reporter who did that dug into the irs documents as well. she found out that activist gets paid 156,000 plus and also gets a bonus of more than 21,000 by a group funded by george soros. let's bring in that author and former "wall street journal" reporter, great to see you. >> hey, liz, so good to talk to you. liz: before we get dig into your numbers, all this activity and protests did not change one vote for kavanaugh; right? >> no, in fact, i wonder if it actually flipped the votes, you know, to actually go against what these activists were seeking because i think what the activists are not recognizing is that most people don't like this kind of violent confrontation. you know, that experience in the

elevator, it's ironic for sexual assault victims to sort of subject somebody else to so much hostility because in the court of law, that amounts to, you know, holding that elevator hostage and not letting it go. you're cornering this person. and i've been noticing this since day one, after the election of donald trump to be president, and that's what sort of got me on the, you know, the trail of trying to understand who these protesters are and who is funding them. liz: to your point, you have been following the money i think since election day 2016. >> yeah. liz: this looks like fake astroturf activism paid for activists funded by george soros, but also it's really interesting in your "wall street journal" column that you wrote. you say you are a liberal feminist who is pro-choice and for same sex marriage. you align with the democrats, but you say the number of soros funded groups have grown to 80 of the largest groups up from 50 at the women's march of january

2017. talk to us about that. >> sure, some of your viewers may not know but we go back to gather in the newsroom of the "wall street journal," and will we learned to follow -- and there we learned to follow the money. back in the 90s, it was always the corporations, their big money and astroturf campaigns. we have new emergence of astroturf lobbying by these liberal groups, the left sort of so called citizen activists. many of them are 501-c -- liz: breaking news, we're going to break away. stick right there. the president is now speaking on the south lawn of the white house. let's listen. >> -- most of you will be there for the official swearing-in of judge kavanaugh, and i think it will be something very very special. i've always been told it's the biggest thing a president can do, and i can understand that. so it will be very special. >> [inaudible] >> we just had a very nice talk. we actually get along.

and really good talk. >> [inaudible]. >> yeah, i'm not doing -- no, i don't wanted to do anything about that. -- i don't want to do anything about that. i think we will be treated very fairly. everybody understands there was no collusion. there's no russia. it was all made up by the democrats. they are the ones that colluded with russia. the democrats colluded with russia, and frankly, the previous administration didn't do anything about russia when they knew that they should have. yeah? >> [inaudible]. >> got to speak up. >> [inaudible]. >> i said that i was -- i'm not making any changes. you'd be the first to know. i'm not making any changes. >> [inaudible]. >> i'm concerned about it. i don't like hearing about it.

hopefully that will sort itself out. right now nobody knows anything about it. but there's some pretty bad stories going around. i do not like it. thank you. i will see you at 7:00. >> what do you have to say to taylor swift jumping into politics? >> what did she say? >> she said she wants people to vote for democrats. >> you know, well marsha blackburn is doing a very good job in tennessee. she's leading now substantially, what she should. she's a tremendous woman. i'm sure taylor swift has nothing -- doesn't know anything about her. and let's say that i like taylor's music about 25% less now. okay? thank you. liz: that was the president speaking moments ago. let's get back to our guest. he was asked that question. i want your reaction to the president on the record now saying about that saudi journalist who was killed in the

consulate in istanbul. can you talk a little bit about that? >> absolutely. such a tragedy. it's convergence of politics in our world today who knows who is behind this operation. a reform movement going on saudi arabia and yet they are still attacking reformers and putting them in jail and possibly behind this murder. turkey and qatar are, you know, in this crazy alliance right now, and so things are not peaceful in our muslim community and our muslim world either right now. liz: yeah. >> it is a real dangerous time. liz: before we cut to the president, i was going to ask you about moveon.org with a battle plan and a guide book an how to bird dog and harass politicians. we know that maxine waters has suggested that. we didn't know soros funded groups had guide books on how to do it. >> oh, yeah, absolutely. i have been on phone calls since last spring where they guide you on how to bird dog, how to harass, how to corner, what to

do, how to follow -- get their schedule. you have to get an insider that knows their schedule. and it's ultimately harassment tactics. what i found ironic and interesting is that you have institutions in our democracy now, these nonprofit lobbying organizations that are a part of this harassment, and my concern as a citizen also is that ultimately what we're seeing is deterioration of civil society, and it's so important for me that we identify who these people are, who are the activists, who are the organizations. they have a right to do whatever they want, face the consequences if there are any, but we have a right to know with transparency who is behind these operations. liz: senator collins said with social media amplifying and intensifying misinformation, when we have these protest groups hijacking the process in d.c., what is your concern about how policy and laws are made? >> that's exactly my concern,

liz, is that, you know, president trump just talked about the ceremony happening. well, i got an alert from the resisters, you know, the women who are part of saturday's march. they want to give us heads up that the d.c. activists are keeping the pressure on kavanaugh. show up at 2nd street northeast between east capital and 8th street and bring your signs. and so i brought for you one of the signs that i picked up on saturday. and it's again sort of as president trump indelicately but did present in his speech last week, look at the fine print. you see ultraviolet action, one of the groups you mentioned in your clip earlier, trying to get the viral moments that would take off and ultimately i believe hijack our civil society. liz: great to see you. thank you for your journalism and reporting. >> thank you. liz: come back soon. >> thank you. liz: secretary of state pompeo in china today saying china will be part of the solution to the

crisis in north korea. -- aside the possibility that worsening u.s. tensions with beijing could hamper efforts to persuade pyongyang to give up its nukes. >> [inaudible]. -- incredibly important relationship. i do want to share with you my visit with the chairman yesterday and the progress we made and to make sure we are working together on our joint mission that we talked about before, denuclearization of the korean peninsula. liz: secretary pompeo also said the two countries china and the u.s. had quote fundamental disagreements to discuss behind closed doors. this as a new report accuses amazon workers of accepting bribes to give up customer private information, including things like e-mails. many of those bribery cases suspected to emanate out of china. amazon fired a worker about that on friday. in addition to these reports,

the chinese government inserted spy microchips into computer hardwares at 30 tech companies here in the u.s. many of them private contractors for the u.s. government. with me now former u.s. army special forces and security study group president jim hanson. great to see you. >> good to be with you. liz: secretary pompeo saying china will be part of the solution despite the trade tensions. is he right? will it work out? >> it is going to be ugly but it should be ugly. china is not our friend. i think people have this misconception that somehow because china is complaining we are doing something wrong. what we're actually doing is stopping ignoring all of the bad things they have been doing for so long. so by putting the screws to them now, by playing the tariff game they thought we were scared to play, we are actually forcing them to confront the bad actions they have been getting away with. now, will that hurt the north korean operations? a little bit. but i think in the end, that pressure to china is more important than what they've been doing in north korea. liz: so you are saying that

anything negative china says now means that what trump is doing is working? >> it's hitting the target. they are complaining because it hurts and it should hurt. they have been stealing intellectual property. you know, they have been spying on us through grad students, through highly-placed contractors. they have been going ahead and like you said, putting chips into hardware that's used in computers that can go into our sensitive operations. that's actually been going on longer than this. i heard about it back in 2013, when the nsa found some additional ports that apple didn't know about on ipad hardware. so this is not a new thing. it's good that we're calling the chinese out on it. liz: that sounds pretty bad. your take on north korea, ready to let inspectors into key nuclear sites. can they be trusted? >> no, they absolutely can't be trusted. that's why we're going to send the inspectors in. now, the question becomes then, where are they going to let us inspect? you know, that was the problem all along with the iran deal. the iranians got to choose where

we inspect. they need to cut the locks off and let us look where we need to look. we need to see everything. we don't trust them. it will be verify and then maybe trust. liz: jim hanson thank you very much. thank you for your service to our country. appreciate you sir. liz: the video that's been out there about protesters breaking through the police lines rushing the supreme court, screaming and banging at the heavy doors in a last-ditch effort to stop judge kavanaugh's swearing-in. we will be talking about that with my next guest. he says it reminds him of the time when protesters screamed at the sky to demonstrate against president trump's victory. he is american majority founder and ceo ned ryan. he speaks out after this. >> you don't hand matches to an arsonist. and you don't give power to an angry left wing mob, and that's what they've become.

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the supreme court screaming, clawing, banging at the doors while judge kavanaugh was being sworn in. maybe it might remind you of what antitrump protesters screamed helplessly at the sky to demonstrate their rage against president trump's election victory. american majority founder and ceo ned ryan is here. great to see you. >> good to be with you, liz. liz: what's your take on this video? >> well, i got to tell you, this couldn't happen at a better time. i mean there's a poll out that shows about 75% of the american people were actually watching and listening and talking about the kavanaugh hearings and what they got to see was the complete unhinged behavior of the left, not only these chanting and the screams, i mean, rushing the supreme court and clawing at these 13 ton doors? you know, i think part of it, liz, is the fact that they realize reality has hit them in the face. the supreme court which has been their favorite tool for bypassing the will of the american people is gone for them

for at least a generation. but i think what's been good, liz, is i think people now understand or at least have some more visuals in understanding that this parasitic unhinged left has fully consumed the host of the democratic party from within and not only are they unhinged, they are vicious, they think physical intimidation and threats are acceptable. that's not how we settle our political differences here. we settle them at a ballot box. that's how we do it in a constitutional republic. we are about a month away from the midterms, i hope that the american people who are watching again about 3/4 of them watching don't reward this behavior but actually say we're going to vote republican because we can't validate or normalize this behavior because if we do, we will see more of it in the future. liz: pew research, nonpartisan polling outfit, they say that the supreme court now has supplanted the economy in terms of importance for voters in the

midterms, watch this, for both democrats and both republicans. both voters now say the supreme court is their number one issue at the top of their minds what's your take on that? >> it is a sad commentary on where we are on as a country. the supreme court is well above and beyond what's the founders intended. gone beyond its constitutional limits. it's become this super legislative body. why i was so excited about brett kavanaugh is you get another originalist on there that's going to restore constitutionalism and really devolve this power out of the supreme court. it is a sad commentary where we are. i hope we will have more originalists on the court. i think trump will get one or two more. liz: the complaint has been the congress is outsourcing its work to the supreme court. -- a wife got a gruesome text message of a beheading after the senate voted to confirm judge kavanaugh. separate from that, democrat senators like senator hirono still refuse to condemn attacks

on republicans in public places, like restaurants. watch. >> it is one thing to protest at the supreme court, to do it at the capitol. that's been done for generations and frankly since the founding of this country. it's another thing to run senators out of restaurants, go to their homes. is that going too far? >> i think that it just means that there are a lot of people who are very very much motivated about what is going on. what happened with judge kavanaugh is from the very beginning, this was not a fair process. liz: it is more than motivated, ned. did you catch that? it is more than being motivated, it is actually confronting people in their places of where they are eating, you know, i remember when nancy pelosi said politicians should come together and unite after steve scalise was shot. >> that's right. liz: that is an elected official saying basically it is okay to do things like harass politicians at their home. >> the way we get back to normal, first of all, we need

democratic leaders to actually repudiate this behavior and say this is unacceptable. the fact that collins and other senators had to have security is just despicable. the other thing too, the left actually has to come to grips with the fact it lost the 2016 election. they have to accept that, and they have to accept that donald trump has a constitutional right to appoint his judges. so they've got to repudiate it and they have to accept, they lost, if they want to win again in 2018 and get back into power, go win elections. liz: talk policy. ned ryan, great to see you, sir >> thanks. liz: even liberal hbo host admitting it is quote scary how democrats went from listening to women who are victimized to quote automatically believing them. coming up we have the sound on that debate. but first a security bug let third party developers get into hundreds of thousands of google plus social media data. their personal data. it was going on since 2015. apparently google knew about it,

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liz: big breaking news, google shutting down its social media network that's called google plus after a major hole found by a security data breach. fox business hillary vaughn has the report. >> hi, liz, this wasn't a hack, but this bug in google's code exposed at least half a million users personal information. that included user names, birthdays, gender, e-mail addresses, even profile pictures, what job you had, places that you've lived, even your relationship status. instead of going public with the bug, google decided to keep it private, explaining why in the following statement saying, quote, our privacy and data protection office reviewed this issue, looking at the type of data involved, whether we could accurately identify the users to

inform, whether there was any evidence of misuse and whether there were any actions a developer or user could take in response. now, google says that none of those factors came into play here because they didn't know what information was accessed and they had no evidence of misuse and really the users couldn't do anything about it, even if their information was misused in this case. the bug of course was fixed, but now google plus is shutting down. the company, though, is receiving backlash over how they handled all of this. there was an internal memo that circulated that weighed some of the pros and cons against going public with this data breach citing concerns that it would spark increased regulation of the company and it would also pressure google ceo to testify before congress, something they clearly wanted to avoid at the time, but now we know that that is inevitable. he's going to face congress. after the midterm election, in november. now, a source familiar with this internal memo says it was just a

kitchen sink moment that the things that were discussed actually didn't weigh into the decision-making process of deciding to keep this bug private. but a lot of users not happy that google decided to keep this close to the vest. liz? liz: what a story. hillary, thank you very much for your reporting there. let's bring in cyber expert, security analyst, pretty weak comeback from google, just because they didn't find any evidence doesn't mean it wasn't misused. this is weak stuff from google's rationale here. are they in trouble? >> you know, it's just a further sign of the erosion of privacy. certainly nobody likes the way that google handled it. the only good news to come out of this is that the data that was essentially available was not things like social security numbers or credit card numbers, but it was e-mail addresses and in the wrong hands that could certainly lead to fraud. liz: google tried to hide this security bug? you got to imagine that the eu is going to go crazy over this.

>> yeah, you know, gdpr and etc., this is an ongoing issue that google and facebook and others continue to face. you know, they can only protect their network to a certain degree, but then when this operator error, when the google themselves has a vulnerability because of some flaw in their network, that's a significant issue. liz: got to watch too if the u.s. steps in here. thank robert, good to see you, sir. cyber pro there. >> thank you. liz: even liberal host bill maher is saying now it is quote scary how democrats went from quote listening to women who were victimized to quote automatically believing them. he's saying it is bad for democracy. my all female power panel debates it after the break. stay there. >> they threw away and threw aside every notion of fairness, of justice, of decency and of due process.

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>> it does seem like things have morphed from listen to any woman who says she has been wronged which is the right thing to do to automatically believe. that's what's scary. >> there has to be some benefit of the doubt for people. if a single accusation makes someone guilty, then our entire system is over. liz: that was hbo's real-time host bill maher weighing in on what he feels is a dangerous precedent for american society. guest panelist also agreed with bill maher saying that our society would fall apart if people were guilty until proven innocent. that accusations are tantamount to conviction. but bill also said republicans didn't care, because they simply want control of the supreme

court. let's bring in the political power panel. so marie, do you agree with bill maher? >> i agree with the second thing he said, but i don't agree with the first thing he said. look -- liz: wait a minute you agree that it is okay accusations can be tantamount to convictions? >> no, i agree with what he said about the republican party. i don't think they were ever concerned about getting the truth about what happened 30 plus years ago. i think they wanted kavanaugh in the supreme court -- liz: you haven't answered my question. are accusations tantamount to convictions, is that okay? >> of course they are not, liz. let's be clear here, statistically the issue we have with sexual assault in this country is that an overwhelming number of them don't get reported. it is incredibly hard to prosecute and the number of people falsely accused is incredibly minuscule. when i'm looking around at the country, i think what scares me is that women after this will not feel comfortable coming

forward, that rape will still go underreported. liz: that is a danger, that women are scared to step up. i'm not sure that the false reporting is minuscule -- we just don't know. kelsey, that's the issue. >> we do actually. liz: i have seen the data too. i'm not convinced. i'm worried and people are worried that allegations all of a sudden people are hung out to dry, kelsey, and that's what's at stake. we should always listen to sexual assault victims and respect them; right, kelsey? but now we have got former obama white house communications director blasting susan collins as a fake feminist. your take, kelsey? >> yeah, seems that in the past couple of days the fake war on women has turned into a real war on white women. we have seen democrats who call themselves feminists, the women's march, come out and talk about senator collins as a rape apologist. is this the strategy you want to employ going into the midterm elections, democrats to divide

women? not only is this harmful to our politics but it is harmful to our civil society to put women against each other on the basis of their race. liz: marie, take that on. >> i think susan collins could not be called any kind of feminist. in an interview last night she said she believed that dr. blasey ford was assaulted but she thinks she misremembers who it was. that concept is so offensive to women who are victims, who are survivo survivors. that is not something that tends to happen. i think collins made very clear on issues many many independents and democratic women care about, whether it's choice, whether it's access to healthcare and birth control, she stood on the other side with that vote. that's okay. but she will have to answer for it at the ballot box and we are not the ones dividing women here. the democrats are saying this year we're running a record number of female candidates, a record number of women are donating. we are standing up and saying women need to be heard. liz: chelsey, take that on.

>> there's a reason why only 1/5 of women in this country actually identify as feminists it is because feminism has become completely radicalized. i think that's unfortunate because i know a lot of conservative women who wanted to be a part of the me too movement. and they have seen importance processes like due process be completely plowed over and now they are in the position where they don't know if they can get behind it. at the end of the day, it is all women who suffer because of that. liz: thank you very much. we appreciate it >> thank you. liz: we will be right back. stay right there. six in the morning. she thought it was a fire. it was worse. a sinkhole opened up under our museum. eight priceless corvettes had plunged into it. chubb was there within hours. they helped make sure it was safe. we had everyone we needed to get our museum .. of psoriatic arthritis.

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