thing. stay off the weed, gary. you know, thanks, guys for your input this afternoon. it was great, it was fun. go have a beer. that does it for bulls and bears. reporter: the border showdown expanding. 800 support troops move towards the u.s. border. president trump calling this a national emergency and vowing to stop it. at this hour forensic experts across the country trying to piece together who might be behind 10 suspicious packages sent to 10 prominent democrats. gina haspel briefing president trump on what she learned in turkey about the killing of the "washington post" columnist jamal khashoggi.

according to reports she listened to an audio recording of the crime. "the evening edit" starts right now. i'm blake burman in for elizabeth macdonald. blake: james mattis is expected to sign off on sending 800 troops down to the u.s. border as migrants continue their trek toward the united states. william lajeunesse is reporting live from chiapas, mexico. reporter: the caravan has always

been the united states. we are being told that's of the people are going to take it train. they thought when were going to walk and stay together. now we are told several of the men plan to hop the beast. the train of the unknown, seven locomotives, 285 cars long. central americans for generations have used the train to migrate to the united states. the train will cover in one hour what it would take one day to walk. the estimated time to tijuana, about 15 days. >> my boss in california speak with me and said when you come back, i need it in my company. i say maybe 30-35 days, maybe. reporter: u.s. officials tell me

mexico promised to disrupt train service out of the next town but they also said they would prevent police from allowing private citizens from transporting the migranted in their personal automobiles. that's not true because we saw many hundreds transported through immigration checkpoints on their way here. the people hereby pretty much live in a bubble. they are not getting any news. one deported gentleman said they have a symbolic faith that somehow they will succeed. >> all the guatemalan soldiers block it. then it happened in mexico. and they forced themselves through. somehow they passed. reporter: blake, the bottom line

is -- i'm having audio issues down here. sometime probably in the next month these people will show up in tijuana. what happens next, how the border patrol handles it with asylum claims, that is yet to be told. blake: the 800 troops will join the 2,100 national guard troops already on the u.s.-mexico bored. general jack keane is joining me. the president says he will send the 80 open u.s. military members. but we are hearing of these 800 members a lot of them are engineers to help out customs and bored protection. >> we have certain restrictions on how you use military forces inside the united states. the 2,100 we have right now are from the state national guard sanctioned by the department of

defense to assist federal enforcement of laws, but not to be directly involved. these other troops will likely be active duty troops, so they are already federalized in a sense. but they cannot enforce u.s. law. they are prohibited from doing that. what they can do is similar to what the national guard under the auspices of the governor, is engineers, medical support, logistics support in general to assist the bordered patrol so they are not performing those duties, particularly when it comes to dealing with large groups of people. that will be the focus. blake: is that the right use of military forces since they have

restrikes on them to send the military down there to help out? >> i don't think we have much choice. if the president made the decision he doesn't want illegal entry to take place on our border, this would exceed the ability of state place. i think this is the beginning. i think there will be considerably more troops. blake: how many? >> i don't know because i don't know the scale of this problem. once the commanders get involved tonight and they talk to the border patrol leadership and start to assess where the entry is going to be made, i'm talk about the attempted caravan many and what they think the forces they will need. blake: will this make a difference at all?

>> i think it will if they are able to stop them. if they don't stop them -- obviously the reason why we have this caravan is other caravans were able to penetrate and largely the overwhelming majority of those people were in the united states in some kind of capacity. they are not under our control. ways under our control is tens of thousands of unaccompanied children who came by themselves, and we obviously have control of them for the sensitivity involved tonight and also trying to place them. blake: general, thank you. 12 days left until the mid terms and president trump has kept this issue of the caravan front and center, and republicans are taking notice. joining knee, a member of the national diversity coalition for

president trump. i want to show you a poll released today by "usa today." it says top issues for voters. immigration and border security, 14%. healthcare 11%. economic issues after that. when you dig into the numbers you have republicans who have immigration as their top priority and democrats are healthcare as their top priority. is this the reason we are hearing the president talk and talk about this caravan? >> it's something he has been addressing for multiple years now. the immigration system has been broken for decades. congress has done nothing about it. our border is not secure. and people in this country are put at risk. on top of that it detracts from people coming to this country when they will have more difficulty doing so.

we want people to migrate legally to live the american dream. we can't do that when people are pouring across the border and we don't know who or what is pouring into our country. blake: this caravan politically speaking, do you think it will drive the republicans out to the polls? >> we have to ask the question, is immigration one of the top issues because that's what people care about or is that because donald trump keeps talking about it. with this issue of the migrant caravan this is more of a humanitarian issue than national security issue. there have been caravans in the past. their numbers are dwindling, they are over a thousand miles away from the border. there is a process for entry.

i don't see this as one of the national emergencies donald trump is trying to portray it to be. blake: why not? >> they are a few weeks away from even becoming close to our border. they are far away in mexico. the mexican government has been handling this. the numbers are drastically falling. there is no reason necessarily for donald trump to play this up as an issue the way he has been. >> i think if one more porn comes across this border illegally and kills someone or rapes someone and commits a violent crime in this country it's unacceptable. we can't have more kate steinles or mollie continu mollie tibbet. >> we don't know who is sending around these pipe bombs, but there are a number -- >> that has nothing to do with this. >> you are recognizing there is

some level of extremism. somebody is targeting near the country already. when we talk about the national security area let's recognize there are dangerous people here in the country that are dangerous. blake: do you believe it's a national emergency. >> yes, i any it's very concerning. we need to secure our borders and know what and who is coming into this country. blake: thank you to you both. meantime, to another rollercoaster day. the dow and s & p 500 roaring back with a vengeance on upbeat earnings reports. the nasdaq delivered its biggest gains in seven months after suffering its worst one-day loss in years.

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blake: a nationwide search. the fbi is looking for clues to lead them to the person behind the package bombs. actor robert de niro and vice president joe biden the lacest recipients of these packages. reporter: investigators are look directly at florida after preliminary evidence indicated some or all of the packages may

have originated at that location. this is early in the investigation. but this is the newest focus of the search tonight. the total number is brought to between the latest mailers addressed to vice president joe biden and actor robert de niro. with the new mail bomb targets shifting from only political figures to outspoken critics of president trump. a former police officer turned security guard noticed a package that looked similar to others. but with these two bombs intended for vice president joe biden never leaving the postal

center in maryland. they are calling for mindfulness in the midst of high anxiety. >> are all of us treating each other with respect. treating men and women in law enforcement with respect. reporter: authorities are warning civilians they need to be on high alert. none of those explosives reached their intended targets. but' of them were hand by civilians, so they are imploring people to be mindful of their packages. if it has oily stains, it should be reported immediately. blake: a former special agent in charge of the atf web

atmosphere's also a current faculty member at the arizona university. when you look at these packages and try to find out who might be behind it, where did they originate, what's the best lead you might have off this thing? is it saliva off the stamp or the tape that put this together? >> i don't want to get into specifics, because these packages undetonated a treasure trove of evidence. we can be confident that this investigative team have many leads of information they are following up on. things will start making sense. information that comes off web sources, data sources, physical evidence, laboratory evidence, it will point toward individual or group. blake: when you look at the

packaging, it's similar. you see the picture here. does that make it easier for authorities? does that make it as far as the investigation goes, is that what authorities want to see? or is it harder that all of this is labeled together in the same manner. >> if you do have similarity, the touchdown for an investigation like this is if they ultimately obtain a search warrant for a residence or location and they found the same materials for those packages. in that location they have somebody dead to rights. they are getting arrested. and you have conclusion. hopefully you don't have detonation as conclusion. blake: the police department held a news conference today. because none of them detonated. do you think they were just

assembled to intimidate? >> the majority of bombing investigation where you have a detonation in the united states are from people attempting to make these device. unfortunately it includes juveniles who read information off the internet who attempt to make a pipe bomb, oftentimes ending in catastrophe. these are either hoax device or the firing chain is secure and intended to open purposely. blake: authorities are honing in on florida. one of the return addresses is the campaign office of debbie wasserman-schultz. with everything you know, do you think whoever is behind this will be caught, and if so, how long do you think it will take authorities to zero in on this person or this group? >> i absolutely believe the people or person responsible will be held to justice for

this. i think it will go pretty quick because they have a lot of resources on this investigation. there is an immediate public safety concern for the unknown of what's out there. if these are actual destructive twices, it's very dangerous and trying to come file these things often leads to debt nation death. the manufacturing of destructive twice such as this are a self-critiquing event. >> bernard, thanks. coming up. the u.s. refusing to strike a deal to end the on-going tariff dispute with china until beijing stops stealing billions in u.s. intellectual property. the cia director briefing president trump after reportedly

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blake: c.i.a. director gina haspel briefing president trump on jamal khashoggi's murder. reporter: gina haspel was in turkey gathering information from officials. secretary of state mike pompeo was also there. according to reports while in turkey, haspel heard an audio recording of khashoggi's murder. investigators received information from the turkish

side that suspects committed their act with a premeditated intention. saudi arabia stresses the turkish government simply referred this information to officials. the government said khashoggi left the consequence flat istanbul. thin they blamed the murder on a fight. then they said a hit squad planned his murder. saudi arabia has also allowed khashoggi's son and family to leave the country. the state department says secretary pompeii so made it clear to saudi arabia that khashoggi's son should be

allowed to leave the country. the family responded with their thanks for the consolation. the associated press was reporting khashoggi's son was not allowed to leave saudi arabia because of what his father was writing back here in the united states criticizing the saudi government. mr. ambassador, thank you for joining us tonight. the cia director and secretary of state have gone to the region and come back and briefed the president. you have turkey saying they believe it was premeditated and that has been relayed to saudi arabia. you think the next steps are what? >> what's interesting is the prosecutor in saudi arabia agrees with the turks that it was a premeditated murder. this is an unbelievable thing to have happened.

with jamal khashoggi. the president this afternoon has been briefed by the cia director. and has heard now probably the gruesome details of what the turks have, the audio recording of what the turks have. it's a terrible situation. we are hearing from the turkish government things that the saudi government has been lying to the * about for the past 2 1/2, 3 weeks. this is a remarkable turn of events. blake: with what we know in the public sphere of what happened the past three weeks, as someone who was the u.s. ambassador to saudi i rain yeah, your advice to president trump is what? >> times have changed. there is new leadership. we have to learn to work with the new leaders.

this is a relationship we need to maintain. it's a necessary relationship. but given the facts that have unfolded, there are three things that need to happen. first the state department need to continue to work on the visa process, and each time a new individual is identified as having been involved in this, needs to make sure they are not coming to this country, their visas are taken down. second they need to look carefully at the no-fly list and make sure all those involved in what the crown prince called a heinous crime are not able to fly anywhere around the world. secondly the state department in the form of the secretary must sit down with the president and bring in our national security apparatus and talk about what are the sanctions or the actions that our government can take to get the attention of the saudis. a lot of that will involve working with the congress to

make that determination. what we don't want to do is disrupt the relationship. it is far too important for us to do that. but the saudis need to understand thirdly from the president what his expectations of them are going forward. and that will be a conversation that i believe the president should have with the king and the crown prince. assuming the crown prince remains crown prince and becomes king, he could become kick for the next 50 years, and america need a good working relationship with the saudi government. not to excuse what they have done, blake. blake: there is currently not a u.s. ambassador to saudi arabia right now. for all intents and purposes, jared kushner and his relationship with mohammed bin salman the crown prince.

>> i think it's important that we do have an ambassador in place. i think the white house is finding out they have hold of a high tension wire. when someone throws a switch like the saudis have thrown the switch in our direction, you get a shock at the other end. i think that's what happened. ambassador in placing do what we did a few years ago after 9/11 which was very carefully construct a program to put the relationship back in working order. i think state will need to dust off that program and going forward i think they need to establish a good working relationship. not only at the higher levels of the government and also the working levels of the government with an emphasis on human rights. blake: we have to leave it there. thank you for joining us. appreciate it.

the u.s., china and trade. will the two countries come to the table, come together? those two men when they possibly meet at the end of next month. we'll have the very latest.

blake: the u.s. is refusing to resume trade talks with china until think address complaints with technology theft. it's threatening to stall any progress in their talks next month in argentina. reporter: one of the things you point out, the only thing they can agree on is to have a trade

meeting. the theft of i.p., and intellectual property. you have the talks that have pretty much gone nowhere, but there is a scheduled meeting at the end of november at the g20 summit. however, we don't know the fate of this meeting. what we do know is a reporter at the white house asked press secretary sarah huckabee sanders. listen to what she has to say. >> is the president still meeting with president xi at the g20? >> we'll keep you guys posted. reporter: no real answer there. but according to the "wall street journal" china was iffy about the situation. the chinese ambassador to the united states says beijing is wary of negotiating with the

u.s. after mr. trump rejected offers. china according to the "wall street journal" has concerns about putting concessions on the table, then the president putting them out in public. this happened under the clinton administration. clinton went public. and china made the negotiations a lot more difficult and a lot longer. president trump threatened to increase the tariffs by january 1. blake: one of the issues outstanding is intellectual property theft.

there is a direct line there to technology and technology companies. i want to bring in jack keane. i want to play for you something that the oracle co-founder larry ellison told maria bartiromo as it relates to this issue. tech companies and the military and how those two could potentially work together. >> i think u.s. tech companies who say we'll in the support the u.s. military and we'll not work on any technology that helps our military but yet goes into china and facilitates the chinese government surveilling their people is pretty shocking. i think it's very important that u.s. technology companies support our country, our government. we are a democracy. if we don't like our leaders, we can throw them out.

if you don't like the leaders in china, you can fill in the blank. blake: jeff bezos said something similar this month saying the country will be in trouble if the government doesn't work these big tech companies. should the military be working with silicon valley? >> of course. we don't need to look for technology companies wanting to do business with the department of defense. but what i fail to see and understand what the thinking is, and maybe i don't want to be condescending. why do we have a military? the obvious thing is to protect the american people. but why the ships? why the airplanes? why the tanks? to prevent war. to prevent a major conflict from

taking place because we want our adversaries to see there is far too much cost imposed on them if they are in a conflict with the united states military. the classic example is the soviet union during the cold war. we prevented world war iii by having the kind of military we had for 40 years, and the soviet union collapsed as a result of it. what is the issue here. this is about preventing the calamity of world war ii. 150 million people were killed in the pacific fan europe. the united states military is standing guard with the defense industry standing guard to prevernlt that from happening again. blake: some of the concerns related to big tech is privacy and its security. we have seen many issues out here, and some would say do we trust big tech merging with the

military who holds some of the country's biggest secrets? >> that's already the case in terms of the capability the military has. we have laws that prohibit the violation of people's privacy. will there at times, will somebody violate that as we have seen as an individual? certainly, yes, that will happen. but there is significant oversight. and i don't know a leader out there, and i'm talking about the people who have ownership of capabilities. central intelligence national security that eaves drosm on our adversaries around the world. so i'm comfortable with the procedure, the laws, the oversight that's in place. blake: thank you for sticking

around. shares of amazon are down sharply after hours right now after some disappointing guidance. down about 7.5%. deirdre bolton is here with the details. >> you did see amazon's results. earnings were $2 per share better than what wall street expected. so you might say why is this red arrow on the screen? it's because revenue was less than what wall street was expecting. and even more damaging, it's about the outlook statement. on that revenue piece of the puzzle. less than what was expected. amazon even saying that for holiday sales, they will be less than what most of analysts were expecting. the silver lining is in amazon web services. they continue to generate a lot of income from that particular

part of the business. just showing its dominance. we heard from alphabet and google. watching how much google was make from its web service which does compete with amazon. it's clear amazon with its web services and microsoft. so some catch-up for google. but amazon as you can tell here hurting in the afterhours session. but this broads what we were talking about with peak earnings. they are just beginning to make money at a slower pace than they have in the past. we have had a 9 1/2 year bull market. so even if these companies are growing, the growth has to slow. blake: thanks. we'll be right back. off throwing your money

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i want toably something president trump said on the campaign trail as it relates to republicans and democrats and the messaging that's going on. president trump: democrats want to massively raise your taxes, impose socialism on our country. we'll be another venezuela. they want to take away your healthcare. destroy your second amendment. and i think the people in nevada are not big on having your second amendment taken away. not a big point. it's not a good sound bite. blake: he kind of lumped in the issues. is that what republicans across the country should be running on? >> that democrat sounds like my opponent kristin gillibrand. she admitted you would lose your employer-based healthcare if medicare for all goes through.

what we did not talk about as much as i would have liked is the cost. $3.2 trillion a year. blake: healthcare is important to democrats. >> it's an issue for everyone. i travel around the state and people are talking about this. but they want lower taxes. unfortunately if this medicare for all were to happen, it's estimated it would double your taxes. blake: republicans are hoping this time around they could run on the tax cuts. they are not. the polling shows it hasn't resonated the way republicans had hoped. why is that? >> that's an excellent question. i think things will change next year when people file their taxes. in new york they have high local state taxes and that's been a

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customs but with the caravan on the move through mexico what happens if and when that caravan arrived to the southern border? joining us now the former acting director of i.c.e. great things for returning us. >> thanks for having me. >> what happens if and when they make it to the southern border? >> the president is doing the right thing to put the military down there. the operations from the background but i think the president needs to the administration needs to talk to mexico. mexico wants to help but they say they want to help they need to sign an agreement with u.s. the u.s. that will keep any asylums seeker in mexico other cases being heard. once they get to the united states they may not show up and 80% lose their cases after great taxpayer expense given due process. keeping them in mexico during that process is the key. >> you first heard backup at

second when we heard the president say k i'm going to center to the border you had an image in your head of united states troops at the border may be lined up etc.. now we are hearing its 800 troops and they will be there largely in a support role. is this a significant move? >> it's a great move. they are tied up monitoring censoring activity by foot traffic. they monitor the cameras and they have to do intelligence reports. they have to transport water and food and the national guard can do that job that's going to release the men and women wearing the green uniform from doing those duties and putting them on the frontline where this caravan arrives. >> if you were running i.c.e. would you say 800 is great but i need more than that? >> i would tell them i said it before i'm glad he threw down

his goblet. he's a bulldog. i can't think of a better person than president trump when something like this is happening. i think he's doing the right thing and he is defending this nation. he is doing what he supposed to do and you've got to love him. he is securing the nations and protecting our border. that's the job of the president and he's taking it seriously and i'm glad he's there. >> you brought up mexico briefly. disagreement this arrangement i was struck between the united states and mexico that was supposed to stop the caravan of mexico's southern border. what happened but that clearly didn't work? >> i don't know if it couldn't or they didn't work as hard as they could have. i don't know, wasn't fair. this caravan will have to take a step backward. these are 20,000 american heroes wearing the green uniform and they have to defend that line.

they have a fight ahead. >> thomas home and the former acting director of i.c.e. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. thank you for watching. i will be back at some point hopefully. you know who is coming up next, lou dobbs. lou: good evening everybody. our top story authorities investigating whether 10 suspicious devices sent to prominent democrats but providing little in the way of details to the american public about what exactly is inside those packages and who may have sent them. while members of the political and media worlds politicize and dramatize we will try to make to fact from fiction. also the pentagon gearing up to send at least 800 of our troops to the southern border under orders from the president. president trump calling on the migrant caravans moving