questions. >> you have to figure out -- there are is some regulation needed in these businesses. david: that does it for us, thanks, gang. president trump: once they arrive, the democratic party's vision is to offer them free healthcare, and the right to vote, fan free education. they should turn back now. liz: the trump administration announced a new action in advance of the caravan. tightening rules on the border. the democrats are delivering on border security that the democrats promised as little as five years ago. new details from homeland

security on some dangerous individual in the caravans are now surfacing. we have the details and why the media is not covering this. two days since the election and several key races still in limbo. could they upend the democrats' battle plan? a brand fresh new fight for the left. they are questioning the legitimacy of the senate now in republican hands. we'll break it down. democrats holding high-level conference calls and meetings on what to do over the firing of the president's firing of attorney general jeff sessions. white house press secretary for george w. bush, ari fleischer

gives his take. facebook still wants you to trust them with even more. they have a new video chat device called portal. facebook is shipping portal to homes. facebook promises it will not spy on you. but do you trust it? money, politics. we have the debate behind tomorrow's headlines. i'm liz beth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. the trump administration dropped new rules on immigrants seek asylum at the boished. reporter: the new rule implemented today says the

president has the right to block anyone he deems a national security threat from entering this country. that rule ads, if that's person crosses, they forfeit any claim for asylum. this announcement made from the department of homeland security and the new acting attorney general matthew whitaker. the rule was signed two days ago by then attorney general jeff sessions. this could directly affect the caravan headed for the u.s. border. it's believed to be 7,000 people currently in mexico city. the caravan is still trying to plan to get to the u.s. the department of homeland i security says there are 203,000 pending claims of asylum from that triangle area. 65% of all of the asylum claims under that possible fear they are under comes from that

triangle of countries. the u.s. sending active troops to the border. about 800 to 1,000. 2,500 guardsmen there. this rule now ready for that caravan when they do arrive. liz: more coming up on the border crackdown. he'll be in studio with me. first now, is the real test for both political parties happening right now? the party that gets its act together the number two years will win the presidency in 2020. we have lieutenant governor pete rickets. he just won reelection in nebraska. congratulations on your victory. your take. governor. is it rise for democrats to challenge president trump on everything, iran, china, impeachment probes, everything?

>> i think that would be a mistake. many of these policies are great policies. trade is not a partisan issue it's an issue that impacts all of us. when you get good results, renegotiating nafta and usmca, that's important. the iran deal is something that's a national security issue. in my part of the country people were not happy with the deal that was struck before. there is issues that are going to be mistakes if the democrats take them on because it will alienate them further from main real america. liz: maxine waters is threatening to go after trump's finances, subpoenaing his record from deutsche bank. >> democrats will get tied up in

continues that don't have to do with advancing the policy of how to advance our nation. what they should be focused on is how is their policy and agenda going to help thage american. they are pinning their wheels. they should be focused as we are as republicans, how are you going to make the average american's life better? liz: the president won in 2016 because of three 8. all three those governors went democrat in the election. also dallas and houston went democrat, florida almost going blue. are you concerned about that? what if the -- what does the republican party need to do? >> they need to do what they need to do every year. what we are doing to help the american family to be able to enjoy the great country we have got here. that what's we have to do, and

as governors that's why i was able to win reelection in nebraska. i could run on a strong record for job creators. look at the economic growth. just a few years ago we were told lower our expectations almost as if we were back in the jimmy carter era. we'll never see 4% growth again. now we see 4% growth and we are seeing the lowest african-american unemployment rate we have ever seen. those are the results that lead to reelection. liz: the federal reserve is not going to rescue the stock market anymore. do you think pelosi and trump will find ways to compromise on? >> now you are talking about things that are above my pay

grade. i focus on things that impact our state. how this president has cut regulations. trade that impacts our 8. those are things i focused on when i'm dealing with the federal government. how can you put policies in place to help me create the environment so companies invest and create jobs and allow my families to enjoy the great economy we have. liz: congratulations on your victory. the trump administration unveiling a new action requiring migrants to request asylum at legal points of entry. the white house is going to stop them from claiming asylum if they try to cross the border illegally and they get caught. this as multiple caravans of migrants are days away from the border. president trump declaring he wants immigrants to come into

the country legally. that's what he was talking about in that fight with jim acosta at cnn. he says we have hundreds of companies coming into the u.s., so we need workers. steven moore is the author of the hit new book. what's your take on the president's new action? >> i'm surprised that's not the policy already. why shouldn't we block the folks from coming in. they can make the case they are genuine refugees. some of those people coming probably some of them do have a valid claim of asylum. but many of them don't. let's sort that out before they get here. liz: here is the white house official statement. 70,000 aliens a year enter -- try to enter between the ports of entry. after they cross illegally, they

claim credible fear. >> i studied the immigration issue for 30 years. immigrants aren't up to i'd. they know how you game the system. once you cross that border and get into the united states, it's difficult for to us deport them and get them out. i am very pro immigration as you are. but as you said, and donald trump said they have to come in legally. once they cross that border within the' people heart undesirables, it will be difficult to get them out. liz: what you said is what democrats said five years ago. they said tonight 2006 and they said it in the 90s. we are talking hillary clinton, joe biden, barack obama. i feel like we are on the other side of the mirror on this. >> i do, too. what is the democrats' position on immigration?

they are for catch and release. they are for sanctuary cities. they are for abolishing the border patrol. there the problem is, as someone -- i talked to donald trump about this. i believe he understands the benefits of immigrants in our country. but you can't get reforms through our legal immigration system until you get reforms. liz: chuck grassley said it's northern african individuals, people from afghanistan and central asia. he's seeing people accused of crimes, sexual assaults of children. they are also throwing molotov cocktails and knives at authorities. >> you have got -- what's the latest number in that caravan. 10,000? that's the point, isn't it?

there are some people who have a genuine fear of persecution. and we always had a policy of letting those people in. i just think that democrats really truly have politicized the issue. i don't think they want to solve this problem. i think they want to weaponize it. >> i want to get to the jim acosta fight. the president was saying we do need immigrants in this country. but he's cracked down on h-1b visas. and the tech industry needs those. >> i think he wants to cut a deal here. i think he wants border security and he wants to change our legal immigration system so immigrants who are the most of beneficial to the united states. what he calls a merit-based system. australia and germany and canada uses that system.

we don't call them racist. it's america first. we also need to extend the number of legal immigrants. we have 7 million unfilled jobs. we want more americans in the labor force, but we'll need more foreign workers as well. liz: what if northern caravans were headed to the board, would it be racist to stop them. >> the vast majority of the people are coming on the southern border. this is a tribute to our che economy, isn't it? immigrants -- illegal immigrants didn't actually come to the united states under the obama administration because the economy wasn't strong. but let's face it. a lot of these people do have a fear of persecution. but why do they want to come to the united states? liz: the law says economic

reasons. you cannot claim that to get asylum. >> it's hard to determine whether the person is coming -- i would say a socialist system is a bad system you are imposing on your people. maybe i can get asylum from socialism. it impoverished these people in their country. we'll get this done. i think trump will get a deal on immigration. if you want to understand donald trump, read "the art of the deal." liz: this is what democrats wanted. steve moore, you are great. turning to california and the aftermath of that shooting that took the lives of 12 innocent victims. jeff paul is in thousand oaks, california for us tonight. jeff? reporter: investigators giving

us an update. they do not believe the suspected shooter was working with any other accomplices and they do not believed there were any other outstanding threats involving this particular mass shooting. investigators spent substantial time at the scene at bordered line bar and grill, also at the home of ian david long. investigators have taken out several boxes of evidence trying to get a better idea of the mindset of the suspected shooter. the one glaring question they don't have answers to is the why. >> to suggest it's only bean few hours, it would be premature for me to speculate on the motivation. i can assure you we'll follow the leads developed through witness interviews, evidence recovery, the forensic evidence, digital media that we recover, and he'll be sure to paint a

picture of the state of mind of the subject, and do our best to identify motivation. reporter: investigators tell us more names of the victims who died inside that bar maybe released from the medical examiner's office. one of those names confirmed by the family of cody kaufman. his father spoke a short time agene said it's an unimaginable lows's going through. >> every since boy, my son, was 3 years old i coached him all the way until he played high school baseball. he was my fishing buddy. that poor boy would come with me whether he liked it or not, fishing on the boat. that's the kind of stuff i'm truly going to miss. reporter: ventura county sheriff

sergeant where, he was with the law enforcement agency for 29 years. ron helus, he died responding to the emergency. he died a short time after entering those doors. if you talk to any of the folks who knew him and worked with him, they say they are not surprised it was him who ran so bravely into that building. there will be a 6:00 candle light vigil to honor the victims of the mass shooting. liz: we'll be right back. stay there. but some give their clients cookie cutter portfolios.

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two years. suburban woman voter is a big factor. nancy pelosi scheduled an emergency meeting with democrats over the firing of jeff sessions. look who's here. madison and nathan. we have had a split congress in 30 of the last 40 years. will we see any bipartisan deals? >> i hope we do see bipartisan deals. nancy came out tuesday saying she does have interest in work on infrastructure with the president. but the two of things she said leading up to us days election concerned me. it's a great arrow to have in your quiver with reference to

subpoena power. it shows she and other democrats are focused on obstruction and i a instead muc -- instead of representing all their constituents. i think they need to be pushing policy and getting things done. they need to come together and see bipartisanship. >> it looks like both sides are extending olive branches for now. but they are preparing for a knock-down fight. what's your take. >> if we can get to bipartisanship on infrastructure tore prescription drugs i think that would be a good thing for the united states. what we saw in the mid-term elections, the further left the candidates went, they didn't quite make it out. america wants more moderation. at the same time the american people want progressive policies. democrats need to lead on the

issues. >> i think america is basically a live and let live society. the president to your point about nancy pelosi threatening to subpoena things like the cell phone or tax returns. if you have use that in a negotiation that's illegal and i will fight you and take you to the supreme court. he's on a war footing here. >> i would be, too, if i were him. it's not the proper use of subpoena power. and it's not something the american people will take well to. the american people did not take well the what it was hand. i think that showed in some of the results of the senate elections tuesday. people weren't happy with democrats twhrut that process. >> the seen a power, what is the proper use of subpoena power.

under article one of the constitution. >> under article one of the constitution the legislative branch has oversight responsibility. so to say they are threatening the use of seen a power. they are doing their job. part of that job has to do with being bipartisan and using oversight where it's needed. >> i think oversight is important. i agree with you in terms of the purpose. but the statement she made is not in line with that purpose. she said i'm going to use this to negotiate on other subjects. that's not appropriate. that's not the use under the constitution. that's resist and obstruct. that's what that -- that's why that statement is concerning to republicans and democrats. we should not use that to gain points on another topic. >> when republicans had the

house they launched numerous investigations into hillary clinton. i think both sides -- >> that's totally different. there was evidence there. liz: what madison is saying nancy pelosi threatened to use the subpoena power in negotiations with trump to get what she wants in terms of legislation. the president is saying that's illegal. >> i think the democrats need to lead on the issues, and they need to conduct oversight whether it's look into conflicts of interest on the trump administration. looking into the family separation policy. liz: thank you so much. let's get other headline news. supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg admitted to george washington hospital this

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liz: the democrat left demanding

a complete overhaul of the system. what they are complaining about. writers from slate, nbc, forbes and "huffington post." they said the democrats won the popular vote but the republicans won the senate. >> this is like going back to the philosophy of the electoral college. those institutions were instituted by the founding taughters basically to protect the small states, not just states in the midwest. people think this is all coastal. it was states like rhode island. and those philosophical arguments continue today. ironically the founding fathers also wanted a buffer between the popular vote and the governance

of the country. they were worried some person sort of demagogue kind of person would come along and fool the people into electing him president. and they wanted some higher authority between the mob, if you will, and the presidency to protect that from happening which is sort of ironic, because democrats would say that's president trump. that's the kind of criticism they lay at his feet. system was supposed to protect against that. our country is drrr very -- is very divide, rural versus suburban. it's also extremely important to the economy of our country. that's what's lost in this conversation. liz: the democrats were complaining when rhode island gave them a super majority in 2009. here are some tweets ma mark

hughes. the senate must change. majority of citizens voted for democrats for senate. but the gop remains the majority. that might have been fine 230 years ago, but day it's unacceptable. the question of how much longer the majority will be tolerating being pushed around by the rural minority. >> it's the stupid midwestern states basically withholding us from the progressive track that is so favored by the urban elites on both sides of the coast. it's not just smaller states in the midwest and the south that have that protection the senate gives them it's also small states like vermont and rhode island and east coast states that are liberal. they also have two senators,

right? liz: in the house, bigger states have more house seats. >> our system was put in place all about checks and balances. that's what the system of government we have does. basically you have this higher authority, the senate which runs -- we would be having a different conversation if democrats had taken over the senate. they did not manage to do that. there is no reason they couldn't do that. but they don't have the appeal to those states. liz: they were interesting trump was going to burn down the house. but hillary clinton, eric holder. this is our democracy. and it works. we have checks and balances in place that protect the interest of all people. democrats are suppose to be very interested in the protection of minorities. this is another minorities we are protecting.

liz: you should read liz peek's columns in "the hill." would you let the company at the center of so many privacy scandals put something in your living room that could listen to you. we'll talk to former white house press secretary ari fleischer about why it's more important that republicans did keep control of the senate and less important that they lost the house.

liz: facebook says it will not listen, watch or store the contents of those video calls from your home. but as the tech website points out, it doesn't mean facebook

won't track your information. this from the company that saw cambridge analytica steal data from users without their consent. tens of millions of accounts were affected here. let's get to the panel. since you trust facebook, would you put a portal in your home? >> i will pass. >> facebook is the poster child of lack of data security. they had a horrible history after the cambridge analytica debacle. they had another issue with a breach of 50 million users private data. what can possibly go wrong?

what could go wrong is they will continue to collect data and track that. and i think this is just a further problem that's waiting to happen. >> facebook is saying they won't do that. they are shipping it out in time for the christmas holiday shopping season. they could be hearing it and selling advertising off what people may want to buy. >> they could. but that's not necessarily a bad thing, right? facebook use your information as long as it's with your consent and you was they are doing to provide you more information about things want to buy is not by itself a bad thing. it's when they give information without your consent. i understand the privacy concerns at stake. i'm not going to rush out and buy this thing. but the good thing by the, it's a private company and you cannot purchase its product and you will be safer from his abuse

than someone who does. liz: when you sign up you do give up certain rights. remember when someonen with alexa heard the conversation from another home on the west coast? that's scary. >> this is why when these companies are fumbling the data security ball, it continues to turn up the heat in washington. these are major issues the congress is looking at. this will be a major issue in the legal realm in 2019. several states in new york and california have gotten hot on regulating this. the more this becomes a major issue. look for congress to look at regulating this as well. data processing and security are one of the only issues that get support on both side of the aisle.

liz: robby, we ran out of time. we want to have you back on the show. thank you so much. coming up. jeff sessions out. a trump loyalist in. democrats taking steps to fight for and protect the mueller probe. we'll talk to ari fleischer about that. and we'll talk about the president's just released rules to secure the border. that breaking news is coming up. e for the financial world to stop acting the same old way. you need a partner that is willing to break free from conventional thinking. we are a different kind of financial company. we are athene, and we are driven to do more.

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you. [♪] liz: jeff sessions is out. matthew whitaker is in as acting attorney general. the question tonight, what happens next. let's take it up with former white house press secretary for george w. bush. what should the president do here? >> the president should not interfere in the mueller probe. neither should the acting attorney general. let it run its course. i have a feeling when that report comes out it will be election day all over again. if there is no collusion, let bob mueller tell the american people that. but dent interfere.

let it go. liz: you think there is nothing in the mueller probe? >> i think there will and lot of information the country will benefit from how far russia has gone to interfere so we can stop russia and other nations. but in terms of the collusion and conspiracy and all the venom thrown out at donald trump we would have known about it. >> you can't keep that kind of salacious information secret. he has an acting attorney general. i think the critics are overworked about this thinking because sessions is out he's going to order mueller to disband. i think they are so conspiracy minded themselves against trump that they can't see straight on this. liz: they are talking about the op-ed mr. mueller wrote. what's your take on that.

>> i worked with people in government who published op-eds in the private sector. but they come into the government and it's different. at the justice department you have -- it's different. the law and the rules will guide him. not opinion pieces he wrote like everybody else does in the private sector. liz: i think you were talking about why it's important that the republicans held the senate. >> if they had kept the house they would have kept it by 2 or 3 seats. they weren't going to pass anything anyway. so we were in an era of house grid lock no matter what. the senate being the jobs factory is going to pass judges

and change the judiciary which will have a long-term impact. that's a stalemate i will take any day. liz: the circuit court journals sign off on the regulations. >> across the economy, justice and criminal law. having those judges will is important. liz: come back soon. love having you on the show. the battle to secure the border is now on. new rules coming tomorrow. the information is out tonight. we have the breaking details. multiple caravans make their way north. we'll take it up with charlie hurt. he joins us next. >> it would be great if trump was not the only guy we could send out. but what he's doing is building his party. it's not his fault that he ends up making people winners? he's being blamed for that by

the media and democrats. :

. liz: welcome back. trump administration breaking news, dropping the hammer, unveiling tough new border rules as multiple caravans of thousands of migrants is days away from the border. with me washington times opinion editor charles hurt. great to see you. >> you, too, liz.

liz: your take on the president, you have to apply for asylum. >> the election is over, that doesn't mean he's going to stop it pushing this issue. great news is the president remains absolutely adamantly determined to fix this terrible and growing problem. of course, the hard part is the fact that he's not going to be able to do it alone, he's going to have to get congress to help. every little thing he does is challenged in the courts. and so he's going to have to figure out a way to cajole congress into working with him on it, so they can get something done that passes constitutional muster so nobody can complain about any of it, and if democrats in congress don't want to get on board with it, then he's going to do what he can for the next two years, and in 2020, it will still be a campaign issue and trump will still run on it. he'll run on it again, and i bet i can guess who's going to

win on that. liz: charles, here's the data the white house is releasing, breaking news, fiscal year 2018, border protection guys, customs, encountered 612,000 inadmissible aliens and more than 404,000 entered illegally. charles, here's the point. democrats just five years ago, as of five years ago, twice last decade said get tough on the border. democrats were saying get tough on the border. why are we on the other side of the looking glass? >> it's a potent political tool to side with the dreamers and others who are in the country illegally, whether they were brought here as children or illegally crossed or illegally overstayed visa or however they're here illegally. they discovered it's politically a powerful tool and using it for basic identity

politics, and by trying to portray republicans or anybody who wants to enforce the duly settled laws that are on the books accusing them of hating immigrants or hating hispanics or hating minorities or whatever. absolute nonsense, they discovered it as a potent political tool. liz: the president's message is not getting out. the fight with jim acosta was i am for legal immigration, it would be racist if caravans were reaching the northern border and securing the northern border, would that be racist? >> that's a good way of looking at it. i disagree. i think his message is getting out. liz: not in the media. >> of course not, it will never get out in the media. when he goes beyond the media and talks directly to people, the reason, i think, throughout this whole debate we've seen people understand the issue and the complexities of the issues a thousand times better than the media does. liz: charles hurt, you are

terrific, thank you so much for coming on. tomorrow we're going to stay on the border fight because the fight is coming. more details for you tomorrow night. thank you so much for having us in your homes, thank you for watching. lou dobbs is next right here on the fox business network. lou: good evening, everybody. our top stories tonight -- a shooting, a mass shooting in california at a california bar which 12 people were murdered including a sheriffs sergeant who tried to stop the killing. gunman, an ex-marine whose neighbors said he struggled with ptsd. he chose a popular and last night a packed night spot to create carnage and chaos before turning the gun on himself. >> we've got to do something about the hate, and we've got to do something to just spread the love and r