jammed a lot in this show. connell: we okay. >> i don't think david would like that. melissa: no, we have to a market down more than 200. connell: thank you for joining us, we'll see you same time tomorrow, it is time for david asman, bulls and bears starts right now. david: this is bulls and bears, i am david asman, joining me on panel, lindsey bell, kevin kelly could rick hunger and jonathan hoenig. author of a new book, a new textbook of americanism. president trump weighing in on aamazon's digged decision, heret we said, i think they are paying a very big price.

they took the best deal, so folks is president right, did taxpayers maybe pay too big a price. >> this is money wash the down the drain, so frustrating to me, no matter what type of isle you are on. does not matter amazon cannot afford or can oford it, this cronyism, this is government picking winner and losers, that puts a burden, they estimate 50 thousands per job in subsidies. david: they say it could be 100 thousand. >> chicago was in running for this i am glad they did not get it, this is a terrible precedent for amazon this is cronyism, it should be denounced. >> it's a competition, that is what new york city had to to to get this company here. >> no, no, no. i don't think so. >> woe! >> why would they need to

compete, new york city is already competitive, we have talent, we're a big hug, same with washington d.c., and that national landing area they call it. they did not need the perks and incentives, they were coming in regardless. >> and a deale tail we learned -- detail, we learned this afternoon,eve jeff bezos has a e within 8 1/2 miles of each site. it he always intend to go to the two locations. >> now he gets a helicopter pad. >> yes, talent is here in new york city, and look, the property is me, maybe infrastructure needs to be better, it is expensive to live in new york city, to bring those employees here, they will raise taxes, off of their salaries, so not like the city is getting nothing.

>> is it going to be cheaper to live here. >> lindsey, you said it was about competition, this not competition, this is government taking other people's money and say let's give it to jeff bezos for their benefit. >> it is the government's fault, not amazon, that is why i stand. >> i agree with that to me about president's comment to daily caller, seemed like well you know, inch does it. if you believe in freedom, should denounce these subsidies, it was wrong sylveste sill -- st wrong for amazon as well. >> i agree with jonathan. it is freuh, here is the worse part, we know what we learned today about the deal, in every one in thiede deals, i take you on wisconsin. what happened with foxconn, we're learn more in next two

weeks, if you are annoyed now, wait until then. >> here i am going to give lindsey a chance to come back from the competitive nature, here is more from president on the competition today. he said, they are giving up a lot, they are expensive deals, time will tell, maybe amazon will have massive competition, and they won't be in the same company in 5 years, in which case it would be a big missing take. lindsey, what do you make of that? >> well kevin we say, the company will be bigger and stronger in 5 years. it the cause other company to come to queens and long island city, set uproots, there will be restaurants, and -- there there already are. >> there will be more. >> there are tons, one big condo long island city. >> the history of this type of intervention is mal-investment, you think you know ethanol boom and bust under bush sr. or

student loans, milto mill -- cre town. that not practical and moral. david: there is a difference between federal government getting involved in the city. the closer you get to home the better they are, cities know better than federal government. >> depending on the deal if the deal got crazy, i'll talk about wisconsin and foxconn that was closer do home, but deal of outrageous, scott walker thought it would get him reelection, woops. that did not work. david: some people say it may have prevented him from getting reelected. >> that is right. this something you have to watch.

>> president comments offed on the article about amazon impact on post office. he said, they have gone getting bargain of is the century, that is why i asked for a review of amazon impact on u.s. postal system. and there is no doubt, great opportunity in my mind for president, if you want to make a pro-market move, what about privatizing the post office of course it has been debated. this is not so uncommon it done all over europe to great success, it might be a real -- it would absolve act john from issue of eye special deal. >> ben franklin would be rolling in his grave that is his signature move creating postal system. >> not to own it. david: in the day what ponies delivered the mail. not just the internet. >> jonathan within too far, he was doing so well.

>> important to note amazon is not only taking advantage of it, last mile set wig with fedex and ups get subsidies, this badge has administration has cut -- this administration has cut out subsidies of chinese products here. they handled that, it they have this in their site. david: jonathan is not only one for privatization. >> i am shocked. we have fedex and -- you have to have a government run coastal system for people, who don't use the other systems, or they won't be able to afford to get their mail. >> gmail is free. >> i want to get a nice card. david: another thing that 73s are demanding or at least thinking about demand, jobs a certain quoagd of jobs could bee

-- reserved for local. >> this terrible part, you go the government involve they pick winners and loser. old saying he who wrotes check makes the rules this is fascism. david: fas fascism, jonathan. >> controlled by government. they will choose who amazon has to hire. >> what if it was a small percentage, 5 or 10%, a wide array of jobs created by this they can't all be 150 thousand paying. i know that is average, what if it a small percentage? >> government is not telling them who to hire, here is reality, i like idea, you are getting some guarantees for your money, everyone one of us knows that is not in the deal. >> i should mention there are not that many locals that have been there -- i lived in the area 20 years ago, most people

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david: dire producttion washington most, trump's big 2020 problem. the economy could be in recession, are they right. >> we're going in to slower growth environment entering 2019. that concern is beagle vated over last week with apple, announcing suppliers came out with slower demand, not sure if that means apple is done and over with as a stock, i will say, look the out to next year, fed will be a huge problem, and other thing, i think is major real issue for market near-term,

trade deal, if that trade deal if we getssca laying at beginning of year from 10% to 25% tariffs on goods and get another set of tariffs on 267 billion in goods that have not been tariffed yet we'll have a problem. david: what do you? >> just say, recession is a decline in economic activity, if we get a recession it will be mild, compared to about what we saw in or 8 and 09. i think not a big problem, when he. >> are you bullish? >> i am. we're growing at 4% gdp, we're out of secular stagnation, we get a decline in economic activity not as keep and severe because of the deregulation that fiscal policies. >> take a line of advice from gordon gecko, don't get

emotional about stock. i am saying. don't fall in love with the great economy, don't fall in love with great numbers, we're seeing weakening price action, stocks like facebook 52-week low, citigroup not far from a 52-week low, corporate bond high yield, it happens by time they get to announcing it is a recession, we have seen prices fall, this is ear talking markets, count me as a bear. >> two separate things market and the economy are two separate things, we have seen market have a huge run-up when the economy still in the doldrums have to separate the two, leading economic indicate oar indicate strong growth, now order index a leading economic index shows companies you mention the are reinvesting in,s and capax, their share price may come down cost of capital, going up as well as labor --

-- >> you invest in the stock, not in the economic data. >> let's not confuse the economy with stock market. and the only problem i see, how president trump reacting to it we're well past the record number of months you have between recessions, we due for a recession, it is not the end of the world, i agree it not a deep-v . it will be pretty mild, and will happen in 2020, look at what happened on oil this week, all signals are there, i think because the economy so strong it not going to hit in 2019. david: a word of warning, by who "washington postwashington hedg, a guy who works for pantheon macro economics. right after the election, two days after. 2016. he said, u.s. economy will enter into a recession first quarter of 2017, he has a bad track

record. >> economists of seldom right but never wrong. >> yield curve has a good track record, it has flattened but not inverted when it inverts that is what you have to worry, then have you about 18 months before that. david: what about second part of article, if we're in a regular -- readin recession in 2020 wilt affect trump's reelection. >> it depends on how he handles it, i don't blame him if we have one, but it is how he handles it, if he tries too lay it on congress or blame on this or blame it on that, he will have a prob imif he is honest said, sooner or later you have to have a resolution, thaa recession tht works. >> trade is weighing on that

market. bush jr. instated the tariffs on steel and aluminum, he got rid of them as well and economy boomed. there still hope, if trump wants to chart a better course. >> back to how president trump responds to a recession if it does occur in 2020, he -- already lining up everyone who he will blame right now, the dems, the fed, who knows what else. david: maybe they are all to blame. we have to move on, is it possible, to gate a deal with china that would please both free traders and fair traders? heads of some biggest conservative groups just weighed in, we have one here to deat&t that coming next.

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already. consumer prices are going up that next, some already, it will go up, and you can undermined very good work that damage has done. to get the economy going with tax cuts and getting rid of regulation and red tape, it has been bear. >> had is rick unger, i have a lot of simp fee for your point of view on this, i also have sympathy for president's point of view with stopping of theft of intellectual property. in view will what you say, i think accurate, and in view of problem, how was there a deal to be done? the chinese can out last us, their political system gives them a dictator what can do what he wants. >> the intellectual property issue is a different issue. i don't think you solve it by walling off trade and ending relationships that hurt both sides. you know americans companies,

have a role to play. you've know they choose to go into a market, they know that some intellectual property in exchange will be lost, that is a bad deal for them, we urge them to buyer beware. we don't think this this trade war, and number bear it out, on market front and with american consumers and businesses, this tariff approach is not working, i get it, it makes politicians a lot of times, in both parties feel tough like they are being tough on china, maybe they are, they are really being tough on american farmers, businesses and consumers. >> i'm trying to have a hard time reconcile with what we're getting from europeans, they are coalescing around us, we saw it at world trade organization. we soon u.s. take hold, it seems to be isolated to china, it

seems to be more than an economic issue, we know they have their 2025 plan, then a plan by 2035, they are dominant player in technology, and they want a military that can take on any other country military and win. how do you reconcile those facts whether what we're seeing now? >> i think about the asia, when americans -- we pulled off of tpp . that left too of the the playing field to the chinese, by us not being involved, i think of it a mistake, we think it was a mistake to not engage there, we have 10% tariffs on so many chinese goods, and that will go to 25% in january if we don't fix and end the tariff battle that we're talking about, we dean think walling off and stopping trade in interact shup is way to confront someone we

have disagreements with. >> what do i think best way to confront china is? if not through trade and tariffs? how do you stop them from stealing our intellectual property. >> two things, confronting china. first, best way to have strongest most prosperous united states of america there. is we're most prosperous country in the world. but we need to keep that, when we have protectionism and tariffs that eliminates markets for our good, businesses and farmers, you inhibit that very prosperity, which is cornerstone, foundation to make sure we can be safe and secure no matter who the international rivals are on scene, with regard to intellectual property. that is a separate issue from protectionism and tariffs and trade, a lot of that does fall on individual american businesses to make sure they understand the conditions whether they go into a market, any market, yes government has a

role to play, hopefully it will play, that but we don't think it works to contemplate the two -- conflate the two issues to wall off trade and free movement of goods is part of larg larger ba. >> president said it important to buy american and hire american. do you agree with that, why or why not? why should people buy american. >> i think americans should do what is best for them. i think it is always dicey when you tell someone, no matter what, you do this we think that market chooses millions of americans, 330 million, and we think it is better for them to do what is best for their individualselves, their families, their businesses their communities, we don't think it good for government, because no gd is smart enough to be able to say, hey, in your economic daily life of making choices about what you purchase purchase or nt

purchase we're telling you to do x . david: i have to press you on one issue. i have not heard, china back in 2000 signed an agreement, wto agreement, they have violated time again, they have to pay a price for violating somebody they signed on, to what price should they pay? >> they -- can pay a price, by following making them follow the agreement they signed. >> but what penalty for violating thos agreements? >> we can hold them to the agreement in this case, but i tell you, the way that not do it, is to have a trade war that hurts american consumers, businesses, trade war with tariffs and protect that not answer. >> tim -- it is not getting ip side taken care of, of course,

conflating them celling -- together hurts of nation. >> if they were made on u.s. soil they would be more expensive. i think thinking about my iphone i benefit because it is cheaper and made there. how to we you know, combat that? >> why would we want to? combat fact it is cheaper to make something overseas? >> chinese are subsidizes a lot of products dumped allest on world. >> at end of the day the trade we had with china over last two decade, has made our nation individually and as a whole a far more prosperous place, tens of millions of american consumer can buy goods that are cheaper, their wages go further. thousands of americans businesses and farmer had market for products at a good price,

without question this trade relationship has benefited our nation, just it, it has china, that is a good reason to find ways to keep having that relationship. there no such thing as a perfect relationship with trader anything else, i hear machine se say, i am a fair trader, at the end of the day there no such thing as a perfect agreement. >> tim, having six of us expose real problem we might as well as think, we all agree a trade war play not be the way to resolve this intellectual property problem. but the intellectual property problem is a big deal. nobody has answer. >> it is stoppable. david: quickly the illegal goods, you confiscate those. to tim's point attacks everyone who wants to buy a christmas gift for their kid.

it is imported that is a. >> one -- one last thing, china subsidizing certain products. sadly united states subsidized tens of billions of dollars for many of our industries and farms. key that is wrong as well. david: we just talked about amazon on that ground. the california camp fire is deadly west wildfire in the state, with 48 people confirmed dead, claudia cowen with latest. reporter: 6 -- 6 more bodies were found yesterday, and how many more will be found, butte county officials, a while ago released update list of those missing, list of 98 people most

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them. >> yeah, i think their best days are behind. we be a big impediment too their company is coming down pike, regulation, we have seen it happen in europe, only time until united states takes course, and reason being is because platform has been weaponize, we have not seen -- >> come on. >> are you saying their platform was not weaponize in election. myanmar, philippines the united states, what is that come on? >> i agree with you. >> thank you. >> i'm a bearish on facebook, this is a stom that seems low that goes lower, it reminding me of say microsoft late 2000s, people bought microsoft said it not going out the of, this could be type of stock that stays in a trading pattern or goes lower for 10 years or more. >> problem when your employees

are not happy, those numbers are big declines you see. remember a lot of these employees they have stock in company, they have options, you keep seeing stock down 20% year-to-date, that does not look good to them, dud not bode well, that important to millennials their company is doing good for the world. david: reason they are moral is plunging, they have never seen a downturn in the stock. year-to-year downtown in the stock, not since it went public in 2012. >> you know what is driven this economy, market, but not been old economy, not ford ora oral - alcoa, it has been facebook awaying on market and moral at facebook. >> there is one more thing, been a lot of shift in leadership, we have seen leaders from oc of an article yesterday, and instagram founders left.

what's app, they have been vocal against facebook. that is also weighing. >> new york time released a huge expose on facebook, entitled delay, deny and deflect. how facebook leader fought through crisis, there is a reason i was given eye job of doing a deep dive on this article, i am probably only person on panel that still subscribed on new york times. >> or trust its. >> fascinating, instead of spending their time in trying to resolve the problem that came to life following 2016 elect, they have been spending their time lobbying, their time twisting arms in senate and house, they have been sending their time on everything other than fixes the problem, they are all about

worrying about their representation, and how it hurts their,. if this is the way facebook will rise to the occasion, because the founder and the coo were embarrassed with their board -- >> they have taken steps to improve these issues, to david a points, i am hearing, they face tremendous new regulation, what they faced in europe that been hurtful to bottom line. i think a real risk moving forward. >> what they do in europe is what we should do here. >> well, okay that why stock is going down and will likely continue. >> it was up today. very down techmarket day. i don't know. >> everyone go in buy, no, i think that biggest issue that will move stock is advertising, who is coming for them? amazon is coming for them in advertising and you see that start to take hold, we take about how amazon opening up their hq2, they last year bought

a building on west side highway, they put in 2000 ad executives to take on and steel advertising pro facebook and google. david: reason that price goes down is because they are not going to be able to make 50 billion a year advertising if they give up that private information, that government regulators' to take from them. >> i tell you, there will be new companies started, they may be scaled down could you are right, it will cost -- cost profit, but what is make a profit running a service like that without invading privacy and without taking personal inform, without our permission, and selling it or small print they give. david: you are not making as much money, they have the goose that lays the golden egg, they are about to lose it. >> by steeling your privacy. david: i agree, they got it we all signed off on it, do you

agree, we all agreed that is where they get that. >> one point they made shadow accounts, it has been acknowledged, they created people for those people, they bought bank records they took a lot of my information that i did not give them consent to. david: all right coming up bernie sanders at it again, picking on another retail giant to raise their minimum wage. are his socialist dictates gaining traction in america? should we all be very worried? we'll debai debate that coming . i am a family man.

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david: first amazon now walmart, senator bernie sanders planning to unveil legislation tomorrow aimed at raising wages at wal-mart. tweeting in part last year feuer members of walton family of walmart made 12.7 billion in one day. it would take a full time worker over 300 years to make that much, does bensche have bernie h political mojo. >> in a word, no.

i am supportive of where his heart is. it never -- most basic thing we work for is food, they are on food stamps, we are subsidizing walmart to their employees can eat, same with healthcare, they employee people at healthcare to give advice to employees how to navigate the medicate system, why not give them a decent health care program. i don't want to count their money. >> just get rid of food stamps and medicate, terrible thing, minimum wage hurts those people it keeps them out of the workforce, look, you can't hire them at $15 an hour. >> i am not couching it in terms of minimum wage, my issue with

minimum wage varies regionaly. there is another way to approach, amazon approached it right, they look at their, model, said we can afford to pay people a more liveable wage, walmart can do, i am not going to count their money. >> 15 an hour, amazon is paying their employees walmart will have to come to the market rate, target will pay their employees $15 in 2020, we don't need bernie sanders to push legislation to raise walmart's wages. david: we need a tight job market. that is forcing companies to do the right thing. >> that helps. david: tight job markets create more incentives for healthcare, for a range of things, upping minimum wage, than government eticks. >> also practicing capitalism the way it was to be practiced. >> yes. >> speaking of traing capitalism

-- practice be capitalism, i think we want to see instead of 11 here and 15 an hour there, we agree free market will set will it, we need more skills to be made, i would like companies like walmart or politicians like bernie sanders talk about programs where they can give skills to their employees. >> what -- that is what you get when you work minimum wage. >> walmart announced they were subsidizing college education for people. >> you know, guess what, starbucks giving free education to their baristas to arizona state university, let's go sun devils, we seeing company. >> they are giving people a job that is the point, you have no right to any wage, what government gets in middle of someone that wants to hire someone and someone wants to take that job, what is more

obnoxious when you want to work, and government said, no, you can't work for that wage, they would rather have you not working. >> would you agree major employers getting it saying we'll keep wages artificially low, where do people go to get their job. >> i think minimum wage itself that keeps wages artificially low, companies have a great excuse. get min of the minimum wage control all together. >> you think walmart -- >> got to leave it there. david: we love coffee, good your morning joe be a more powerful medicine than you realized? we have stunning revelations that could pick you up, we take about it with dr. mark siegel, next. but allstate helps you. with drivewise. feedback that helps you drive safer. and that can lower your cost

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a day, the acid in coffee is an active ingredient against diabetes. it decreases inflammation. so your insulin works better. guess what's causing the diabetes? overweight. that's the issue. the heavier you are, the less receptors per area,ed the more likely you are to get diabetes. we have 3 million people with prediabetes. on the road to diabetes. >> i'm drinking my coffee, but how do i know if i have diabetes? >> the signs of diabetes are

weight gain, weight gain, fatigue, vips you'll changes, tingling in your fingers and tows and getting very thirsty and peeing a lot or having numbness and tingling and having changes in vision. >> my problem is, i buy the coffee but then i do it with the sugar and the cream. >> come on. >> that's like you get the salad then you put on the croutons. that's where we go wrong with nutrition. >> we are full of cookies and cakes. we eat pasta like it's going out of the style. in europe they have small portions of pasta. people out there don't realize bread is the enemy. >> i drink 3 to 4 cups of coffee before 9:00 a.m., and that's just the start of the day and

yet i got type 2 diabetes. continuing to drink coffee as i do, will that help control my diabetes? >> it won't hurt in is a genetic predisposition to diabetes. your weight is not bad, keep drinking the coffee. exercise and diet will help you. diabetes. new drugs that are really great at there is a genetic problem in addition to the weight problem. >> i think too it should be coffee black. one of the things i see is the frappuccinos. you are getting all your daily calories in one coffee drink. so that counteracts the whole benefit. >> plus that piece of coffee

cake you are having with it. at least now we have calorie counters. i want to know what that coffee cake has in it. david: i take a lot of coffee and this gives me another excuse to have it. here is "evening edit." >> amazon has found its next home for innovation right here in our commonwealth of virginia. >> a great day for new york city. >> amazon has no right to come to our city and demand subsidies from our city. and we are not going to allow that to happen. >> we'll think big and create a world class model for public-private partnerships. >> amazon is