about this pope who say his heart tonight right place. david: i'm catholic and sometimes i wonder what is going on upstairs is in the right place. thanks for joining ups. >> we didn't take a broad enough view of our mistake and i'm sorry for it. >> i never heard of another company putting stuff out against elected officials as we know they did against members of the intelligence committee. >> i believe it's government's responsibility to help create rules that yield a better and more fair bargain to the american people. >> they can't run this like the wild west when they have got -- they are hurting people, they are potentially breaking the law, and we have to put some

rules in place. i hope in this coming year we'll do that. liz: senate democrats fired off a letter to ceo mark zuckerberg asking facebook, are you undermining democracy? are you using your massive data collection to get information to undermine your critics and officials doing scrutiny of facebook? mark zuckerberg says facebook is at war with its critics. but the real war is actually inside facebook. finger pointing. tensions with coo sheryl sandberg and mark zuckerberg. democratic new york city mayor bill deblasio says he loves amazon but hates walmart. should politicians be picking winners and losers?

the new threat to america's military. this one is in our own backyard. the mayor of tijuana, mexico agreeing with president trump saying there are criminals in the illegal immigrant caravan. surprising government date a shows 500 potential criminals in the immigrant flow. thank you for joining us. money, politics, we have the debate behind tomorrow's headlines. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. big tech drags down the market as facebook goes from bad to terrible.

apple's tim cook warns the tech crowd. watch out. regulation is coming. >> i am not a big fan of regulation. i'm for a free market. but we have to admit when the free market isn't working and there will be some type of regulation. liz: in the senator's letter to facebook the senators asking you, facebook, you used outside contractors to retaliate against your critics by spreading retaliatory information about them. have you ever collected your platt form to collect information on people who scrutinize your platform? james freeman, these are pretty

serious charges. >> a lot of money, a lot of politics here. consumers ought to be wary here. they ought to be wary that there is a big deal between silicon valley and washington. they sound good, but a lot of down side if you prevent competition against facebook which is normally what regulation does. liz: you are saying the market can fix the problem. >> tim cook saying the market failed. i don't think so. i think we tall know as consumers we have been trading information about ourselves in turn for a lot of free services from facebook for years. maybe this is a helpful remind tore people. liz: i know you are pretty cynical about facebook's

aptitude to do things. but here is the thing. zuckerberg is under fire. the senate democrats are saying you can't regulate yourself. the "wall street journal" and the "new york times" stories about facebook have been bombshells. no one knew the scope of what facebook was doing to undermine its critics. >> i don't think any business is going to regulate itself. talk of self regulation is naive. what you want is market discipline. customers with the ability to regulate the provider. we need to be more demanding as customers and look for other options. a lot of what's happening here. the democrats leading this attack are very upset facebook did not agree with their analysis that russian meddling

online swayed the 2016 or swung the 206 election. liz: they are pretty powerful. what if they are using their platform to scrutinize it? >> i would worry big time about what they are doing in terms of censorship. they have thousands of editors now. are they knock out voices they don't like? i think congress might want to relook at the 1990s decision. that is a good question. liz: switching gears. after last weekend announcement amazon will open one of its two new headquarters in new york city. democrat mayor bill deblasio says he likes amazon but doesn't like walmart's behavior when it

comes to labor and the environment. he even took a swipe at the walton family or their politics. kelsey, what do you think of this story? >> this should be frightening to all americans regardless of your political perspective. he said he didn't allow a company into new york city in part because of the owner of that dom company's political views. amazon and walmart have different business models. they are attempting to provide items en masse to america at cheaper prices. for them to roll out the red carpet for amazon and giving billions in tax incentives and block walmart, i think that's hypocritical. liz: the mayor says walmart

undermines local retailers. amazon has been cite sides for that, too. >> let me tell you. the difference i see is amazon is an internet sensation retailer as opposed to a big box retailer like walmart. i'm not saying one is better than the other. each company when they come to your jurisdiction. i live in d.c. we have walmart. they have to negotiate with politicians because they need land, they need space, they impact the economy. a lot of them need thanks incentives. that gives politicians license to extract more or comment and pick and choose. i didn't say it was right. but i have got to tell you it happens all the time. these are complicated negotiations that start a long

time before you see the walmart or second headquarters for amazon. liz: the other issue,ha wha thlb o state capital, flatten the tax structure instead of handing out goodies. what if new yorkers want a walmart? there is all sorts of angles here, right, kelsey? >> i think that many the biggest irony of this story. it makes the case for deregulating the economy and lowering taxes. new york would have had to incentivize amazon to go there had they had an economy like you see in texas that's already working. they had to beg amazon via a lot of cronyism to get them to enter their city. taxpayers are the ones paying for that. >> but flattening the tax rate

in any jurisdiction wouldn't be enough. they would take a long time for it to even out. you will have these negotiations, and you will have these competitions, and the municipalities or the states have the power to give these tax incentives and tax breaks like they would any other company. giving these tax breaks, what they get in return is a $5 billion investment that improves infrastructure and the airport. it's hard to turn that down and hard to say there shouldn't be competition. liz: you have been from the front trenches of this. kelsey, i wanted to ask scott a follow-up. what about the guys and gals in upstate new york who are paying for amazon to come here twice what people in virginia are paying. they are saying hey, what about

us in upstate new york? >> there is a cost of living difference. a lot of environmental economics. those numbers will be different. if i was a partner at a law firm like mine in new york i would be making more money than here because it's a different market. liz: now to more big executives behaving body. the chairman of nissan arrested in japan on charges of hiding millions of dollars in compensation from japanese and french authorities. he's alleged to have padded his expense account and avoiding the tax man. >> disappointment, indignation and despair. those are the words of the nissan.

the investigation revealed the chairman frauded them, and misusing company investments and under reporting his salary for several years by $44 million in u.s. dollars. the ceo tried to put as much distance between ghosn and the rest of the country. his regime of power didn't have any checks and balances. the ceo says he'll seriously reflect what changes need to be made at the company. and he's trying to reassure two other automakers caught up in this. mittmitt shuhe's promising the p

alliance won't be jeopardized. he says they will minimize any confusion. and they will have to correct their securities because ghosn lied to regulators about how much his salary was. he said he can't promise that there will be zero impact on their sales. he's not ruling out the possibility that nissan may file a civil lawsuit against ghosn. the board is set to meet thursday to officially remove him from the board. liz: the dow, the nasdaq and s & p were all down today. homeland security now estimates 500 criminals are in the caravans head toward the border. william lajeunesse is in

tijuana. reporter: for the first time ever the united states shut down this border because they believe migrants were going to storm this area and go through the vehicle lanes into the united states. they closed it. they brought in k-rails and barbed wire. mexico has this invisible river of migrants coming up from central america. they have had for generations. yesterday about a thousand mexicans protested that illegal immigration throwing bottles and cans shouting viva mexico, guatemalans go home and they stormed a police barricade outside a my granted shelter. >> you see people in the migrant caravan smoking weed, drinking,

throwing rocks at the cops. causing chaos. >> some of the people coming in with these caravans are committing crimes. i'm protesting that we want the government to take control. reporter: critics say the activists are leading the caravan, giving them false hope. any asylum claim will be five weeks away. after five days the refugee camp looks like a wasteland. >> it feels like they invaded. that's not the correct way. but all of them are not like that. they are here for work and to have a better life. not trouble makers. reporter: 6,000 migrants from that caravan are in tijuana. the department of homeland

security says very 10,000 along the border from the follow-on copycat caravans. this one, how they came. they have awaked a minority against them. liz: we have former white house press secretary sean spicer. he's the senior advisor of the america action pac. he'll be talking about the president's threat to shut down the government if he does not get money for his border wall. until there are attorney general' dropping the hasmer on walgreens' and cvs. look at this video. a driver lost control of her race car, driving head-on into a fence.

that's driver is only 17 years old. she survived the crash, but she fractured her spine. a grisly scene for the washington rid skins quarterback alex smith. he broke two bones in his leg. he almost led the red skins to a comeback win over the houston texans. florida officials have damaged the election legitimacy by turning the recount into and circus. brenda snipes resigned. is this a warmup for the 2020 presidential race? we dig deeper into the deadly northern california fires. 80 dead. nearly a thousand missing. and it continues to look worse and worse for democratic governor jerry brown. we'll be right back.

liz: 80 dead, nearly a thousand missing. this year alone. upwards of 5,600 fires have burned 2,100 square miles.

this as new pg & e information is coming to light. that utility admits a problem with its second power line in be county. governor jerry brown recently signed off on legislation protecting pg & e. joining me, the director forestry. what's this going to do to you in the recovery with rain? >> there are a lot of predictions up to 4 inches. i hope we'll bomb see an inch.

keep in mind where the firefighters are work on the campfire. they are work on the south corner of that fire. it's basically a mountain. they cut roads in with bulldozer. so you have dirt roads and dirt trails. when the rain comes it will turn into mud. so the firefighters will be dealing with trying to get in and out of the areas. liz: pg & e and governor brown have been in the spotlight. jamie cord was on the show. >> the governor has been a big partisan for pg & e and the other utilities in this state. his top aides have come from pg & e and he has pretexted them. liz: your comments on that?

>> i don't want to address that. liz: the company may turn to its own customers to help cover the cost. it could turn into a rate increase. what's your reaction to that? >> i can only discuss the fire aspect of that. i don't note pg & e-business. liz: california state says 17 of the 21 major fires in northern california have been blamed on pg & e. ways your take on that? >> again, due to the ongoing legal aspects of those, i will not discuss. liz: how are the firefighters doing? >> they talk about the weather. 30 degree weather first anything morning and during the course of the night as well. they are working 24-hour shifts. thursday morning on, these

firefighters as they arrived to this incident were put into the rescue mode, rescuing thousands and thousands of people. they are phenomenal. they are tired but they are getting the job done. liz: scott, thank you so much for being on the show with us. ♪

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liz: we are coming into the bottom of the hour. after two weeks and multiple recounts, florida's recount circus finally over. rick scott defeating bill nelson, and ron desantis winning the governorship over andrew gillum. and brenda snipes resigned. reporter: 12 long days of counting and recounting and lawsuits. but 2018 florida election is

finally over. here in beleaguered broward county, the much maligned supervisor elections will soon be gone as well. other big election winners were all the people locally and nationally who were demanding the elections chief brenda snipes resign or be removed after 15 years in office. this year the nation watched broward mess it up. missing the recount deadline to uplode the second round of results by just two minutes. in her resignation letter she writes, though i have enjoys this work tremendously, i am ready to pass the torch. she sent that letter up to the sake'sake -- the secretary of ss

office in tallahassee. she was appointed to this position by governor jeb bush. snipes is stepping down on january 4. so her replacement will be a short-term fill-in. her term expires in 2020. both parties want somebody competent and some efficiency in the broward county department of elections for that big race two years from now. snipes will be gone in january and there is already at least three people throwing their name in the ring to be the next temporary supervisor of elections. liz: let's bring in fred barnes of "the weekly standard." this has been one lawless circus. >> it is. and it's been that way for a while and i don't think it will

be dramatically better in 2020. they have provisional ballots. absentee ballots. mail ballots. they are all over the place. and of course democrats like to have some running room after the election. and they have to decide which are legitimate ballots and which are not. republicans would like everything to stop on election day. in the two big democratic counties, they fear the democrats are going to pull some tricks. liz: even cnn's john king said that. here is what "the washington post" mark theisen reported.

they were blowing off dead lines including late vote by mail ballots. the mismatched signatures. democrats pushing to get those counted. now federal prosecutors looking into democrat florida officials urging them to fix their ballots before election day. >> it's been done before. and certainly the fact that judges will go along with the blowing up dead lines and letting things happen. the vote counting and so on to happen after the election, days, weeks after the election. that just encourages it to be tried again. liz: you have been such an astute observer for so long.

i am not just blowing smoke here. i have read your columns for a long time. ways your major concern about the 2020 presidential race when it comes to what we had to go through in florida? >> florida stands out for a couple of reasons. i live in virginia and there has never really been any problems with the honesty of elections. and i think that's true in many, many states. but there are still pockets in cities around the country where people don't feel they can go as vote watchers and be safe. it's a problem i think it's something we have in politics. it will still thereby. in a close election, it can decide things. liz: i'm worried about copycats. >> a number of these states

already knew it. liz: we are going to return to this story. protesters in tijuana, mexico taking to the streets saying no to the caravan. pointing out all sorts of problems within that caravan. the media has not stayed on this story about what is going on inside the caravan. the mayor of tijuana is agreeing with president trump saying je yes there are criminals in there. we have sean spicer the former white house press secretary. right now might be exactly the wrong time to cut defense spending. it could happen. i'll tell you what's going on there. stay with us. alerts -- wouldn't you like one from the market when it might be time to buy or sell? with fidelity's real-time analytics, you'll get clear, actionable alerts about potential investment opportunities in real time. fidelity.

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liz: at thanksgiving we give thanks to our military, our soldiers, we want to get them

more money and more help. president trump asked each cabinet agency to cut 5% or more from their budget. that was before an alarming report found the american military could possibly actually lose wars with russia and china. the question is, is it the wrong time to cut defense spending? joining me, steve rogers. what do you think of these defense cuts? >> well, to begin with, the president of the united states is the american military's best friend. in 2018 he significantly increased the budget. he's very well aware that we need a strong navy, he's funding the navy to forward deploy them in the pacific and the middle east' region to discourage anybody from attempting to challenge our u.s. military. remember the space force.

he's forward thinking. he'll fund that space force to make sure we'll have the weapons necessary in the future to defend this country. what is he talking about? he's talking about waste. he wants to get rid of the $1,000 hammers we read about. the $2,50 t -- thes 2,500 screwdrivers. liz: he's been made fun of by the media about the space force. >> i can remember thinking about what are we going to do with the 21st century. is anybody going to come with the vision to build a space force? president trump decides to look to the future to start building

weapons to protect us in the years to come. liz: defense spending protects the powerful status of the u.s. dollar around the world. it's the world's reserve currency. and it protected global trade. it's important in the government treasury debt markets. >> remember the saying peace through strength. a strong economy, a strong military, a strong everything. from the day he took office he made one priority and that is to protect the american people. and that's exactly what he's delivering on. liz: steve rogers is a trump 2020 campaign advisor. liz: month to month crude oil is down 13%.

the national average price regular gas, $2 degree $2.62. california, $3.64. the migrants at the tijuana border are facing angry protests from people in mexico. they don't like it. president trump says maybe it's time to shut down the government unless he gets money for his border wall. they took care of everything a to z. having insurance is something everyone needs, but having usaa- now that's a privilege.

liz: hundreds of tijuana citizens protesting the migrant caravan. they waved signs saying no illegals. no to the invasion. and mexico first. the mayor of tijuana calling the caravan a horde. he says the caravan is infiltrated by criminals. homeland security says there are

500 criminals inside the care vans. sean spicer is with us. what do you think of the story with the border? >> i think it's pretty concerning. the president has been out in front of this issue and in many cases folks on the left and the media mocked him. it's a reality and you can see it full pledge where the mayor and residents are experiencing what the consequences of having these folks roll through it. it's a lot more serious. people kind of thought it was not serious when it was a few hundred miles away. now that it's up close and touching on our border, the reality of the consequences of these folks coming into our country and the lack of preparedness we have to deal with this situation is something president trump has been ringing the alarm bell on and the

consequences are coming home to roost. liz: anti-caravan protesters in tijuana. the mayor of tijuana is sounding like trump. he says no city would be ready to receive this tsunami of people. should the president shut down the government over the border wall? >> i don't know that he has to shut it down. i hope to god legislators understand the reality of this. but making sure we deal with these people in a human the airian way. you have people who have an issue, and more and more not just from the mayor, but its residents saying this is an invasion. and there are scary and criminal-type people in this caravan. i think we better heed the warning. and it shouldn't be a partisan thing. whether you are republican or democrat, you should understand the consequences of this. liz: border security isn't a

right-wing idea. in 2006 democratic senators voted forward a border fence and a broader security bill. president obama said we can't have people crossing our borders unchecked, and he too sent troops to the arizona border at some point. >> absolutely. the reality of what we have seen the last two years is if president trump is for it, we have to be against it. as long as president trump supports it somehow people have to be against it. this isn't something that should divide us. this should unite us. we are first and foremost a nation of laws. we can be compassionate and caring for those who need help. in this particular case, the president has been warn being the serious nature of the consequences if we don't protect our border in terms of the type of people who are trying to come

into this. i would hope that we shouldn't have to wait until they are climbing over the wall before we recognize we need to address this in a better way. liz: homeland security says upwards of 10,500 people heading towards the border. they fear their home country so much, why are they waving the flag of their home country. >> you don't celebrate the country usual fearful of. i think once -- i have seen a lot of sound from news reports. a lot of these peeks are going clear this isn't why they are coming here. there is a big difference. we are losing the discussion about what the need for political asylum is for people who are truly being persecuted. seeking a better life for themselves because of being -- gone after or attacked for their

political beliefs. but coming here to seek a job, while it's understandable you want to make a better life for yourself or your family is noopt the criteria for asylum. liz: democrats declare war on president trump over his appointment of an accounting attorney general, matthew whitaker. >> none of any of that should have happened. by law they had to have a recounted. yeah, yeah. all of it is so unnecessary. the recounts wouldn't have happened if there had been some concessions.

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the greatest wish of all... is one that brings us together. the lincoln wish list event is here. sign and drive off in a new lincoln with $0 down, $0 due at signing, and a complimentary first month's payment. only at your lincoln dealer. >> welcome back. three democrat senators filing a lawsuit to block president trump's appointment of matthew whitaker as attorney general. they claim it denies the senate its constitutional power to sign off on these appointments. let's go to our panel. kurt, this is legal under the federal vacancies reform act, right? >> there are good arguments there is. there are people i respect that say it isn't.

let's take it to court. the democrats have a problem, let's see if they can get past the standing requirement and have a judge rule on it. i don't have a problem with people fighting over what the constitution means. i think that's forward. i just they were as picky as the constitution when it came to things about our right to free speech and to confront accusers. >> president obama temporarily appointed people without senate appropriation and so did george w. bush. it just says that you fill the post for 210 days. >> under the federal vacancies act, normally the first assistant would fee fill that re because that individual was confirmed by the senate. in this case it would be rosenstein. we know donald trump would not make him the acting attorney general.

secondly whitaker is perceived to be a political hack and a spy for the white house. someone who has spoken against the mueller investigation. the democrats are trying to protect the mueller investigation. but it is an open question. scholars say this might be a good thing. let a federal judge or the u.s. supreme court decide. the vacancy act and appointments clause seem to be inconsistent. >> rosenstein does support the appointment of whitaker. here's the thing. it's 200 days, does that mean the mueller probe will wrap up before the 200 days is out? >> should've wrapped up 200 days ago. >> i knew that was coming. >> it's clear that rosenstein is far too conflicted to be appointed. he should not have been involved in it anyway since he signed off on the fisa warrants.

this is because the democrats are afraid that their favorite tool for distracting for the fact that they have no ideas, is this insanity about russia. it has to end. i hope whitaker ends it. put a stake in his heart and put some garlic on it and get rid of it. >> whitaker certainly wants to do that the problem is he doesn't have the authority to do it. as far as rosenstein is concerned, you might be right but he has been over the mueller investigation giving sessions wasn't available to do it or had to recuse himself. but the bottom line what the democrats really want to avoid is that whitaker taking this to act even though he has the authority to act. >> i just think filing the lawsuit you have oversight capacity and have to step it up. you guys have been terrific. thank you so much.

i love your dog say hi to him for me. >> i have to thank you for having us in your homes. i love it. thank you for watching. lou dobbs is next. >> good evening everyone. our top stories, tensions between the united states and china escalating as president trump and his united united states insist on a america first policy that wants u.s. to be first. they did livered dueling speeches the nation over the weekend presenting two different views of global trade and security. we take that up and discuss the latest and the u.s., china