eliminated i'm in favor of. >> you have got to have an equal tax thing across all businesses or it's not fair. you are creating winners and losers. david: bulls and bears, we thank you for joining us. >> i do run the company. i'm responsible for everything that happens here. one of the key issues is facebook is too powerful. in 2016 there was no doubt we missed something really important. >> this arrangement is not always working in the best interest of the american people. >> i wish we under the issues. >> users have lit toll no idea how facebook collects their data. >> you manage them on an ongoing basis. liz: president trump is right again on big tech not playing fair. facebook is preparing for war with the trump administration.

it hired a former top justice department lawyer. he says facebook is a force for good. but we have proof otherwise and the details how a growing number of analysts agree with the president. these guys have way too much power. and we have details how facebook is icing out conservative thought. the va bureaucratic swamp continues to try to defy the president. our ongoing coverage of the va. we'll bring you another shocking scandal. the va watchdog blowing the whistle on va staff mishandling benefits for veterans with als disease. the president is on a war path to reform the va once and for

all. the pelosi mutiny melting away. socialist democrat alexandria ocasio-cortez did a 180 today. she now backs nancy pelosi for speaker. how trump could beat the democrats at their own game. all of that tonight. to the thanksgiving holiday tomorrow, it's a day for gratitude. parents and families will try to navigate tough decisions. but a liberal wants the entire country to talk at the thanksgiving dinner table about his battle plan to impeach trump. judicious activism trump says is

putting our country in deep danger and we'll stop it. we have news of arrests of migrants in the caravan. money, politics. we have the debate behind tomorrow's headlines. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. let's get to facebook. investors have been abandoning facebook shares in droves. a rare interview on cnn with mark zuckerberg it's being criticized. facebook is gearing up for battle with president trump. they just highered a lawyer who

led the justice department office in silicon valley. facebook stalks you on the internet even after you unplug it. >> it has been a tough year for mark zuckerberg for numerous reasons. but wins investor concern he should have the ceo and chairman roles questioning that. one chairman asked him point blank if he should step down. >> i always talk about how we need to barn other companies and non-profits. i don't think fundamentally we'll be able to address all these those issues by themselves. i do run the company, i am responsible for everything that happens here. reporter: he pushed back against some of the critical coverage of

the company. but some investors are saying havingle ceo and chairman titles are not good. he's mete touch to kick out. but it means that is why people talk about him stepping down versus being replaced. there have been high-profile executives that left the company. instagram and whatsapp. some say for political issues and the other the virtual reality head seth. head -- headset. coo sheryl sandberg was afraid

she would be pushed out. but zuckerberg said she is important to the company. if you look between amazon, netflix and google and apple, they have who lost since their record highs earlier this summer. liz: a harvard research group says this ways happened in 2016. the harvard group said it cannot be laid at the feet of facebook, or technology. president trump continued to get more coverage-however negative, the stories still covered his core substantive policy issues, immigration, jobs and trade. isn't it something that voters saw beyond what was going on on facebook and icing out conservatives and looked at trump's policies and voted for

them. >> thank good froas fo -- thank goodness for that. when they are suppressing conservative speech, they are doing a disservice to our country. there are so many people who lost their facebook pages, they lost their followers because of their conservative views and their independent thought, and because facebook doesn't agree with them. so it is a big problem, a big concern. but it's great that americans who supported president trump have seen past the liberal platforms and were able to decide on what was rule and true in terms of the candidate at the time, president trump. liz: tomorrow people will see this what is going on and how facebook is manipulating the

country it's jaw dropping. i'm looking to your point right now. the anti-media project. look at the tesla crisis and the casualties in afghanistan. the fry fall project. innocuous topics on their sites. millions of followers now unplugged on facebook. >> that's why they lost a lot of people as well. people want to knee what the truth is and what the real information is. they want to express their views for the people to see. when you have a platform like facebook which they say they are a platform, but they operate like a media company, they stand the risk of being regulated by government. if they don't change their ways and open those doors for conservative voices, i see it as something that's coming down the

pike for sure. liz: tomorrow at the thanksgiving dinner table. i know people don't want to talk about politics. if you say donald trump is doing what al gore did in trying to reduce government regulation. if you say he's doing what schumer and ted kennedy wanted in cutting taxes, their liberal jaws drop. if you say donald trump is about border security like hillary clinton, gee -- joe biden and obama were. their jaws drop. >> it's a double standard when it comes to the policies you just mentioned. how they were on the same page at one point. now it's a divided country. it's sad to see. somewhat's causing that

division? >> the division is coming from the left pushing for the removal of president trump from the office. they are in resist mode in anything he says or doing. you have people on the left who are saying for their followers to get in the faces of trump cabinet members and trump supporters. this divisiveness we are seeing in our country is escalating, which is a dangerous path for us to be on. people are going to start taking matters into their own hands. we have seen a number of trump supporters over the years who have been harassed, who have been threatened, who have been attacked. you can see a lot of these issues on breitbart.com. they have a running list of these people who have been under attack. when you have democrat leaders like nancy pelosi who say it's okay to get in the faces of

trump supporters where they are, restaurants, gas stations, department stores, they are doing a disservice to our country. liz: let's bring in democrat strategist al mod mottur. zuckerberg is saying facebook is a force for good. it takes your information, sells it, and even if you try to unplug facebook, facebook stalks you. >> the they are essentially a massive media company. no one is looking at what they are doing or checking them or regulating them. somebody need to take a look at what they are doing and hold nemecheck. they have free rein to monetize

your information and stifle free speech. it's not appropriate for a company to be taking a bias as if they are a media company and stifle speech. liz: does the argument hold up that the free market will fix this? >> i see that happening now. i know people who walked away from facebook because they are so tired of getting attacked because of their views. so the market can decide. in fact whether the facebook platform can move on in terms of keeping or losing viewers and users. if they don't change their ways and provide more transparency and open those doors to the conservative voices, i think government will be knocking on their door. personally i'm for limited government as much as position. but again. facebook, they say they are a platform, but they operate more

like a media outlet. liz: go ahead, al. >> they are too important a company for the market alone to work. too many people will stay on and say oh well. they hope to be on it. they will say they abuse my privacy, but that's too bad for me. there are other companies in the cable space doing the same things but have rules with what they have to do with your privacy. facebook is unregulated. the other guys are unregulated. liz: you will be with us later in the show. new details about how much it will cost to deploy american troops at the border. jennifer griffin is at the pentagon. reporter: the cost of the operation could rise according to defense secretary jim mattis.

i'm told while some troops may be home for christmas. those deployment orders could be extended. based on the current phased force laydown of 5,900 active component personnel threw december 2018, the estimated cost is approximately $72 million. this effort mass does not include the 2,000-plus national guardsmen sent earlier this year. in an unusual move from the white house, john kelly signed orders giving troops more authority to given help to the customs agents. defense secretary mattis explained to reporters that troop still would not for the

most of part come into contact with migrants. but if they did in addition to self-defense they could conceivably use force to protect a border patrol agent. if someone is beating on a border patrolman we could stop them beating on them and take them over and deliver them to a border patrolman. most of of these troops are engineers, most of will there will be for the holidays. liz: coming up later in the show, we'll talk to the vice president of the national border patrol council. the new york police department warns blustery winds may ground the balloons in the thanksgiving day parade. the last time the balloons were ground was in 1971. now the thanksgiving holiday

traffic jom is expected to hit a 64-year high. this is what it can look like in the run-up to thanksgiving. but new york and boston, you may want to the get out a little bit earlier. the dow ending the day flat. it's basically retracing a little bit with a fairly positive day. coming you have next. thanksgiving traditions, they are just turkey, stuffing and football, right? we have the hotpots covered for you. also, corruption and chaos in socialist venezuela. the country's former treasurer was hugo chavez's bodyguard.

he took bribes while his countrymen starved. we'll have the latest on the socialist collapse there next. ♪

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liz: let's get to the details of the collapse of socialist venezuela. hugo chavez' former bodyguard pled guilty to taking a billion dollars in bribes. let's take it up with "the weekly standard" deputy managing editor. this guy forfeited 10 luxury rars, including mercedes-benz. three dozen luxury watches, role ex-watches, real estate, show horses. foreign bank accounts. venezuelans are starves. >> i was shocked to read the details of this. the indictment was just unsealed. this guy was involved in helping chavez in that 1992 in which he

took power and immigrated to the united states in 2012. and most of incredibly he continued taking bribes after that point while he was living here in the united states. it looks like about a billion in total. the venezuelans are suffering from food and medical shortages. the inflation rate is 1.3 million percent which is almost i am perceivable. ' if you have access top subsidized dollars you can buy them at a low rate and sell them on the black market for much more. this guy was taking bribes to allow email to buy them and get the contracts to buy them. this is why socialist governments can turn out so awfully. liz: we have breaking news' the

white house is considering new sanctions on cuban military and intelligence official for helping venezuela's socialist government crackdown on dissent. so the trump white house talking. sanctions on the cuban military. >> they are also talking about naming cuba as a state sponsor of terrorism. cuban officials are targeting united states and canadian diplomats in havana with the sound terrorism where people have inexplicable headaches and are sick. we found out it's because the cuban government with the help of china was committing sound

terrorism. liz: we understand the reaction about what the president said about the journalists, saudi arabia with the murder of the colorado columnist, khashoggi. the government set aside cuba's abuses of its own people. it's gotten so bad in venezuela that they have china coming in with a smart car to monitor and track the locations of all venezuelans. the liberal media, forgive me for characterizing it that way. they said those stories aside. they set aside obama basically giving a pass to syria, not saying anything about the red line he drew in the sand. the green revolution was

abandoned by the obama white house. >> i interviewed three iranian dissidents in prison under these regime. they were? jail at the time of the green movement. they couldn't believe obama just abandoned them. he said people were on the streets saying obama, where are you? whose side are you on? i think it depend on what kind of government you are whether the media pays attention to the human rights abuses. maybe it's the socialism that makes the media not want to talk about it. bill deblasio gave an interview saying most of americans have and socialist impulse. we look at places like venezuela and cuba and we flow what socialism looks like. bill deblasio said he thinks people want the government involved in their day-to-day

lives. we see wait comes to. i think you are right. i am have much upset about the murder of jamal khashoggi. i had a conversation with him once, a very smart guy who loved his country. but we need top talk about these other places as well. liz: thank you so much. come back soon. president trump slamming judicious activism. another disastrous va scandal. the president is trying to reform the va. we are getting to the bottom of what's going on at the va and its treatment of our nation's heroes. stay with us. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate helps you. with drivewise. feedback that helps you drive safer. and that can lower your cost now that you know the truth... are you in good hands?

liz: we are coming into the bottom of the hour. another shock va scandal.

the inspector general for the va says va staff mishandled nearly half of all benefit claims for veterans suffering from als disease it's known as lou gehrig's disease. veterans benefits delayed, leading some to be evicted from their homes. veterans nursing homes are worse than private nursing homes. nurses at va nursing homes falling asleep on the job. let's bring a former navy intelligence officer and iraq veteran. with the als claims, the va watchdog found nearly half containedderrors. what's your reaction to what's going on at the va? >> it can't get out of its own

way. we uncovered the scandal with the nursing homes and the sores. now nearly half of these folks are not getting the care they need. they don't have the funds to provide the transportation for the care. in most of cases they will only last 3 to 5 years. lou: my step grand father suffered from als. i saw firsthand way it's like to be immobilized by als. the va bureaucracy is a swamp. what's your take on that? >> at some point the va has to take a hard look. it seems like the problem is from the bottom up. this report talks about poor training or lack of training. i think it' it's lack of caringa

lot of professionals. we have a lot of good people at the va. but there is a culture there that as gone on for so long. these are our veterans that we should give a debt to. the fact that als is double in veterans than civilians. liz: the way the president can reform the va is to get rid of government union career veterans. the union workers who run the regional offices. the hhs, i think agriculture and other agencies they have in the regions, political appointees running the regions. they are career union government workers running the region. maybe if you overturn the culture by putting political appointees there, you could change what's going on at the

va. >> the va needs a complete culture overhaul. i'm a veteran and having experienced the va firsthand, and they have gotten better. they have had a culture for so long that's gone on for decades. our vets don't deserve this. to realize there are families not getting any money for this disease and others getting under paid while a small portion is being overpaid. it needs to be completely overhauls. liz: the va at one point dolled out $140 million in bonuses to its workers. congressmen who have done oversight of the va say we are hearing workers care more about getting their bonuses or doing full-time union duty on the job or caring more about their paid

vacation than taking care of our veterans or heroes. final word, don. >> we owe a tremendous debt to our veterans. when these folks come home from service. it's our duty to make sure they are looked after. people who work at the va need to understand the care they are given to look after our veterans is something they should be proud of and hold with honor. i wish they would do that. especially as we go into the holidays. liz: thank you so much for your service to our country, have a good thanksgiving.

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liz: the pelosi mutiny peeling away? pelosi is making history. she beats tip o'neill, she is leading the house democrats for 18 years. doug schoen is the former advisor to bill clinton, and we welcome bill mcgurn. what will we see next in pelosi and the democrats. >> more resist in the form of investigations and attacks on president trump. liz: they can gone into 2020 empty handed? >> they will say we took them on and we have to keep fighting. >> i agree, the resist mode. they got people out in the election this way. i look at pelosi as somebody who

doesn't agree with most of of her policies. as the father of three girls i watched a lot of sound of music. i find myself oddly rooting for miss pelosi the way i road for the barronness. id a mine her strength. it's telling to me there are a lot of people who want to be speaker, but very few who will challenge her. >> the best thing it republicans and president trump have is nancy pelosi. remember we ran against gingrich? their gingrich is pelosi. the democratic party is in a

certain sense on the ascendancy. donald trump needs someone to blame for the lack of progress. and she is blocking it all. she is far left, she is old world. she should go. she is the problem. liz: we have the daily beast reporting that adam schiff will hire money laundering experts to look into president trump's russia connections. do you think this strategy will work? >> i think there will across certain segment of the party for whom it will be popular. but there are people in my district, cheryl didn't campaign against trump. she campaigned as a moderate.

conor lamb. but some had a more moderate cast. i don't think this helps them. and what doug is saying is mrs. pelosi provide a convenient face for donald trump to blame for all this. liz: do you think nancy pelosi is aware of that? he is aware of it. she is speaker, and she'll be one of the most of powerful people in washington. that's what she wants and she'll play the hand she has been dealt, which bill said is resist. >> what he's going to do. they could make an immigration deal. daca. liz: opioids and immigration? >> i don't think any of that will happen.

i think on immigration they wouldn't want to give him something he could claim as a victory before 2020. liz: forget the rest of the country that needs reform. >> they are against border security. they want open borders. not me. liz: happy thanksgiving. what's your favorite pie? >> pumpkin. >> pumpkin. liz: doug and bill, say hi to your folks. most of americans say they will avoid the political talk at the thanksgiving table like doug and bill. but one left-wing billionaire is crusading to get you to talk about impeaching trump. he wants you to talk about impeaching trump at your thanksgiving table. where is my emotional support.

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liz: you probably experience this at thanksgiving, tough dinner table talk. you bring up what you binge watch on netflix.

but left-wing billionaire and donor tim styer is out with his thanksgiving guide on how to talk about impeaching president trump. our political power panel is back. what's your take on tom styer instigating fights at the table. >> you left off the word progressive. he's a progressive bill why air who despised president trump. americans just want to enjoy their family, friends and loved ones over turkey and gravy and wine at thanksgiving. have a good time. we don't want to talk about politics to this magnitude. liz: usually the argument is about which is the best pie.

what's interesting is a vbs poll says more democrats and republic cans don't want to talk politics at the thanksgiving table. >> people are energized. we have and huge turnout in the election. that energy combustible. they would like at least one relaxing day without politics incruding. it will be friendly and we'll all agree with each other. liz: denise do you have a rule at your thanksgiving table? >> i'm going to lay down the hammer as soon as they walk in the door. liz: the cbs poll found fewer than 2 in 10 americans look forward to talking politics apartment thanksgiving. what's with tom styer saying talk impeachment.

>> i am glad you are making fun of him. his rest key is a political disaster for democrats. it is not a good idea. look what happened with bill clinton. ' and then he picked up seats in a mid-term election. >> i see tom styer as part of the problem. he's considering possibly running in 2020. he's putting his message out there and face throughout so people can get to know him and recognize him. he's a progressive big government guy. we'll see what happens. >> i hope he does because then the candidate that emerges will look moderate and reasonable by comparison. that will load good for us. liz: our take on that, deneen?

>> he makes a good point. when it comes to democrats and what their policies are, they are split. some do want to impeach the president, some don't. so they have a lot of risk going on. who is the leader of the party. that's the question. and what is 'message. >> the democrats want medicare for all, al. >> medicare for all is an opportunity to help people get more coverage. but not all democrats want medicare for all. i think opening into it is a better plan. liz: it destroys all insurance plans. that's how the legislation is written by bernie sanders. >> there are other senators with different plans.

happy thanksgiving. liz: coming up. president trump declaring authorities will stop and detain criminals in the caravan after tijuana police reportedly arrested three dozen migrants and charges of drug possession and disorderly conduct and more. they with been turned over for deportation.

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liz: welcome back, president trump taking to twitter, talking about caravan at the border, and within after judicial activism. there are a lot of criminals in caravan, we'll stop them, catch and detain. judicial activism, by people who know nothing about security and safety of our citizens, putting our country in great danger, not good. art, is joining us. and than. >> thank you. liz: your reaction. >> it is great to have a president. regardless of what side of the aisle you are on. you need to be thankful we have a president that cares about the security of the nation, that is the bottom line. liz: word that police in tijuana arrested 34 male migrant, that include drug possession, public

intointoxication and disturbinge peace. what is your reaction to that story? >> we have criminals in the caravan. everything that president trump has said, he is correct. people' to bash him over it, they bring the race card, i understand, they don't have about other card to play, we have a president that is is a koch blu blue chipping -- acompe accomplishing things that others have not, maybe people are so -- they are not used to a president winning for us so many times, they don't understand. but we have a president that cares, regardless of what side of the aif aisle you are on. liz: art, you have democrats just 5 years ago, said we need more control on the bored or. yes get tough on the bored e.

i don't understand why american people out there some of them say, president trump is being too tough. your take? >> he is doing what needs to be done. then some. now 'is a matter of leaders of the agency to follow, men and women that i represent went border patrol are grateful that we have a president that cares. liz: what do people that you talk to in border patrol. what do they say about what is going on in washington d.c. >> we're always we've been hopeful from day one, we have a president that has communicated with us. i spoke with him, on monday. he shows he carries, he does care. and as i said before, we need to stop using the race word or anything like that. we have a president that cares about the border security. and about every american in the country it is big deal, we're

grateful. liz: art del cuedo, thank you very much for your service, thank you for watching, have a wonderful thanksgiving, lou dobbs is next on fox business network, have a good weekend. >> good evening, i much ashley in for lou, our top stories, supreme court chief justice john roberts weighing into politics day after trump slams an active obama act pointed federal judge for ruling against trump asylum prob la maproclamation that wouh en our borders. roberts said there no such thing as a obama judge. take up that chief justice's comments and why he should stay out of politics with former